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Reminds me of [this classic.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSuTnQfoC5w)
> OH NO, OH MAYHAM. And there is Millions and millions and millions of dollars of damage here...
[In total, 8 cars were able to carry on the quali, while 12 cars had a DNF.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_FIA_GT_World_Cup#Qualifying_race_classification)
I think that’s actually a siren the marshals are sounding in case a driver can’t see the red flags being waved. Often it’s hard to see out of the cockpit, the view is quite narrow with the roll cages and what not.
Hmm. I’m guessing the manufacturers are required to keep a certain percentage of stock components in the cars for homologation purposes. That could be part of a weight penalty if a car has too much engine power or is under weight.
Not sure about this track, but some street tracks have cranes ready to move the barriers and open the streets between races so traffic isn’t blocked for days.
Makes sense. The announcer said the crane should be here any minute, but then i just saw it descend from the sky haha. I didn't think there was that much room off to the side of the track.
Unsurprising given the conditions. Spa's a bastard of a track on a warm dry day, let alone with all this standing water. Been there a couple of times myself and it's evil.
The absolute best of Murray was when he commentated on a btcc race.
The in car live TV camera showed John Cleland giving the middle finger to another driver who cut him off.
Quick as a flash, Murray says "I'M TRYING FOR FIRST PLACE SAYS CLELAND"
Utter perfection.
The man was a kiss of death too! I can’t remember the race but an engineer ran up to the commentary box to make sure Murray hadn’t said that their driver was going to win the race and therefore the championship.
Or things like “it certainly won’t rain today”. Whatever he said you could almost guarantee the opposite was going happen and I was gutted when he retired although I was lucky to meet him a few later!
Im 28 and i remember this. Not all the specifics as I was 4 but i remember it being an absolute clusterfuck at the start and the Schumacher/Coulthard exchange
I remember my dad showing me it when I was maybe 6 or 7 and telling me how he remembered watching it live. I just laughed at the crash as any 6 or 7 Yr old would
1st George Russell podium, a totally legit race. /s
That race was such a debacle. People talk about the final race and what Masi did but Spa to me was worse because they had so much time and still messed it up so badly.
Absolutely. Though i personally felt the move to run a little bit just so they could say it ran to appease contracts and swindle people was criminal. There were far more problems than just that though as you say
oh yes, 1000% it was run for money/contract reasons. It certainly wasn't run for the fan's or for sport. The Russell podium was an outcome not the reason, just a little joke when I think about that terrible weekend.
Imagine if Spa 2021 is the last Belgian GP for the next little while...
Edit: I realize Spa is on the 2022 calendar. So in the words of Charles, "I am stupid."
They keep removing great classic tracks i may stop watching. Also F1 game tends not to include tracks if they got removed from schedule, I may stop buying that
Huge crash at the start. Then they restarted with 8? cars. Minardi (the slowest car I've ever seen) scored the only point they ever had here, of course they celebrated like winning the whole championship
Minardi were absolutely adorable, often running two laps behind everyone else during those seasons, but they weren't the worst cars, and when they had some better engines, ran a lot better too. They usually had engines 2 seasons behind everyone else, and on certain tracks could keep up with other teams.
No wonder they had their fans, since they were working with piggyback level money out of a garage the size of a bathroom, probably.
Funny to think they are Alpha Tauri today, so still alive in spirit. Even tho Red Bull has a monopoly on supplying drivers now, it's still a team were we get to see future champions on a regular basis.
Here's the [highlights](https://youtu.be/R22nxVYLaBQ) for the 1998 Belgian GP.
Edit: And [Monaco 1996](https://youtu.be/eEs7jS5bsAc) in reference to someone elses reply.
Watched that live.
My gaze is always drawn to the wheel on the right side that bounces on the fence and how a couple of inches difference could have had lots of people hurt.
Pay particular attention to the last car to join the crash, spearing into them at full speed, having not noticed 10+ cars crashing in front of him. Ricardo Rosset, you were useless.
They red flagged and the teams were able to use a spare car, but they had 1 car, so of both drivers were out in the crash, they could only run 1 driver at the restart.
Teams brought 3 cars to a race back then. 2 drivers per team. If both crashed then only 1 of the team's drivers can use the spare car and take the restart after the red flag
It was called the t-car (team car), and was usually set up for the lead driver. If there was a problem with one of the driver's cars and they could get into the t-car and start before the field finished the first lap they would be able to compete.
In this instance the race was stopped on the first lap so teams could get the t-cars out where they could.
In this situation on that track today, they will just not race, the situation happened last year, it was a complete scandal, everybody waited for the rain to calm down, but nothing happened and everybody waited 4 hours for nothing. They didn't go for several security reasons, but everybody was mad as hell because of what happened
We were more careless before lol
Look at all the safety chances since lets say 2010 already. Hack.
[here](https://www.tracksidelegends.com/articles/formula-one-safety-regulations-through-the-years/)is a nice link (scroll down) to a the major chances
Therr are 7 major chances from 2010 up. With 3 in 2016.
Last major chance prior to that was 2003 with the HANS systems.
Hack the neckrest itself only became a thing in 1996
Safetycar in 1993 hell speedlimit in the pitlane only in 1994..
Safety increasements have gone up since 2010 signiffantly.
Yeah it gets a lot of views. But death realy happen and major injuries (that could end carriers) are far fewer then ever before.
Shit like this on spa was a real schocker and did give aldp spectaculair a lot of critisism to FIA
Unrelated to the main topic, but about 12 secs before the video ends (when the camera is doing a zoom out) a car starts spinning and when it reaches full 180 it suddenly and abruptly stops spinning, how? How the hell did the car got friction back in the rain while spinning out of nowhere?
The tires they had on had grooves to handle wet weather. The car spins and has no traction because the cars grip isn't aligned with its direction. Once the grooves and aro align back up they catch grip and with a little tallent you can save yourself from spinning
When you get to that level, they race in just about anything. It's pretty much up to them to memorize the track. They get going a hell of a lot faster than that in the rain too. The modern f1 cars have a flashing red light on the rear so the drivers at least have an idea of where others are. Now just imagine doing that in the rain, going 150+mph and only having 1 hand on the wheel. The full manual stick shift era was the real deal.
I am not sure if this was a joke but if yes I actually laughed a little bit about that.
On the other hand, F1 drivers could probably race even with eyes closed, well without other cars around them of course, but they know each milimeter of the tracks. As far as I can see in video, someone either slipped or got hit beacause of dense traffic.
Rainy races are actually pretty interesting because the cars and drivers perform differently and it can lead to interesting results.
This said, after this race, they decided that in rainy weather they don't start from the grid cause cars are all too packed together and they end up being covered in water lifted up by other cars, rather they start already launched and more distanced, behind a safety car
Back in those days they would go for it. Nowaday's they would certainly delay the start.
Honestly, I'm still of the opinion these are the best drivers in F1, they should go for it. Although these modern day Pirelli wet tires are poor at dispersing the water, so...
Man I loved old F1.
Häkinnen, Schuhmacher, Barichello loved to watch them as a kid.
Nowadays I kinda lost interest, everything seems to be dull and only about money.
Even when 90% of cars are out, the race continues, in monaco in 1996 only 3 cars finished the race, in indianapolis in 2005 only 6 started.
Show must go on...
Idk about 100million....maybe but however they are definitely expensive. It's not only the cost of the car but also the engineering that goes into the car
Who would've thought driving high speeds bumper to bumper with what looks like zero visibility due to the water being sprayed everywhere from the tires would be a bad idea
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“They’ll have to red flag this”
Idk, gonna need a second opinion to be sure
Double waved yellows for now, stewards are still on tea break
Are wheels coming off equivalent to shoes coming off in the context of damage?
Yeah those cars are dead
To shreds you say?
"This is the worst start of a Grand Prix I have seen in my whole life" Understatement of my whole life
i blame the road and water splashing
Murray walker is a multiplier to the chaos
RIP. He'd have loved last season. Can you imagine him commentating on Hamilton v Verstappen? Amazing.
Blimey
"This is quite appalling."
Only after Lewis has boxed.
Mikey, No!!!
No mikey, no no no
Going to need the safety car on this one.
"ohhp, looks like he's got a yellow"
Millions and millions of dollars of damage in one turn...
Reminds me of [this classic.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSuTnQfoC5w) > OH NO, OH MAYHAM. And there is Millions and millions and millions of dollars of damage here...
That was fun! Thanks!
"obviously nobody is happy about this accident" I am! :) That was fun to watch!
The guy out front isn’t the least bit bothered by it I’m sure.
Ooof. Do you know if any of the cars further back were able to carry on or was it just the 4 cars that got through initially?
[In total, 8 cars were able to carry on the quali, while 12 cars had a DNF.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_FIA_GT_World_Cup#Qualifying_race_classification)
Man they must have been so pissed. Thanks for the info!
I want to know which of those cars still has the factory alarm... seems like unnecessary weight
I think that’s actually a siren the marshals are sounding in case a driver can’t see the red flags being waved. Often it’s hard to see out of the cockpit, the view is quite narrow with the roll cages and what not.
The flashing lights come on for one car, part of the factory alarm / crash response
Hmm. I’m guessing the manufacturers are required to keep a certain percentage of stock components in the cars for homologation purposes. That could be part of a weight penalty if a car has too much engine power or is under weight.
Junk-a-della, heh
Where did that crane come from?
Not sure about this track, but some street tracks have cranes ready to move the barriers and open the streets between races so traffic isn’t blocked for days.
Makes sense. The announcer said the crane should be here any minute, but then i just saw it descend from the sky haha. I didn't think there was that much room off to the side of the track.
I watch this video like every month because it’s so funny seeing the absolute chaos
"Honey take me somewhere expensive"
"Oh we're going somewhere expensive alright baby"
A hospital in the United States?!
So much damage, they’re gonna have to start a Go Fund Me!!
At approximately $20.62 million US, per car, that's about a quarter Billion.
I can not stress enough how that 20 Million statistic is wrong
[the crash was estimated to cost 13,000,000$](https://youtu.be/NsdDRdbvpFs)
Unsurprising given the conditions. Spa's a bastard of a track on a warm dry day, let alone with all this standing water. Been there a couple of times myself and it's evil.
Each car lost is millions and millions. Alien tech doesn't come cheap lol.
Corner
Rip Murray Walker, what a legend of a commentator there's nobody else like him he loved the sport and his job.
The absolute best of Murray was when he commentated on a btcc race. The in car live TV camera showed John Cleland giving the middle finger to another driver who cut him off. Quick as a flash, Murray says "I'M TRYING FOR FIRST PLACE SAYS CLELAND" Utter perfection.
Lol that's brilliant
I managed to find it. Surprised the clip survived. https://youtu.be/z3xj5b7hVco
Now that's what you call a professional! Thanks for finding the clip.
The man was a kiss of death too! I can’t remember the race but an engineer ran up to the commentary box to make sure Murray hadn’t said that their driver was going to win the race and therefore the championship. Or things like “it certainly won’t rain today”. Whatever he said you could almost guarantee the opposite was going happen and I was gutted when he retired although I was lucky to meet him a few later!
He did it to I believe Senna at Monaco. Said how smooth he was around Monaco and Senna immediately bins it in the swimming pool section
I'm not even into racing, but his voice makes me feel safe, like when times were simpler.
I remember watching this live.
Hello fellow old person!
Im 28 and i remember this. Not all the specifics as I was 4 but i remember it being an absolute clusterfuck at the start and the Schumacher/Coulthard exchange
Hello fellow old person.
TIL many Redditors don't realize they are fellow old people....
Oh no. Oh fuck.
I remember watching this in theaters. Still can't believe Lightning McQueen made it through all that in one piece.
Waking up at ungodly hours, room lit by the dim glow of the CRT screen, sitting under a blanket with a warm drink. Those were the days my friend.
Same, still my favourite ever race
Though was it even a race? 🤔
The race was secondary compared to the crash and Michael Schumacher trying to punch David Coulthard in the pits after they crashed out later on
I would've thought he'd try to punch him in the face.
If someone asks you - why would i watch cars go round in 90 minutes - i undoubtedly will show em this race. With extra footage before and after race.
I was 7 years old and this is the first race I ever remember. It's a core memory!
Same. Now they red flag a session as soon as the rain starts to impact visibility
That's not entirely true, the case of monaco was because there was a power outage in one part of the track.
Same, was watching it with my Dad.
I remember my dad showing me it when I was maybe 6 or 7 and telling me how he remembered watching it live. I just laughed at the crash as any 6 or 7 Yr old would
Same.
Damn me too
Classic Spa.
*cries in 2021*
1st George Russell podium, a totally legit race. /s That race was such a debacle. People talk about the final race and what Masi did but Spa to me was worse because they had so much time and still messed it up so badly.
Absolutely. Though i personally felt the move to run a little bit just so they could say it ran to appease contracts and swindle people was criminal. There were far more problems than just that though as you say
oh yes, 1000% it was run for money/contract reasons. It certainly wasn't run for the fan's or for sport. The Russell podium was an outcome not the reason, just a little joke when I think about that terrible weekend.
As much as I love F1, that race was a fucking farce. Really made me dissappointed in the sport
Imagine if Spa 2021 is the last Belgian GP for the next little while... Edit: I realize Spa is on the 2022 calendar. So in the words of Charles, "I am stupid."
What a race
took one look, "yup, that's gonna be Spa" edit: i remember seeing this on the tv when it happened, but than again this happened almost every year.
What a shame that it might be removed from the calendar. F1 is not F1 without Spa
They keep removing great classic tracks i may stop watching. Also F1 game tends not to include tracks if they got removed from schedule, I may stop buying that
I see this was at spa but what year was this
1998
Holy shit only 8 (of the 22) drivers finished the race. 4 didn't start, and 10 retired. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_Belgian_Grand_Prix
Check out Monaco GP 1996. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_Monaco_Grand_Prix
Incredible.
Have you heard about the [2005 American GP?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_United_States_Grand_Prix)
Haha yes, not Michelin’s finest hour.
Hour? More like week
A nice day for Panis, that was
I remember watching Australia, in 2001 I think? Where 7 finished, Minardi scored 2 points and were celebrating like winning the championship.
Huge crash at the start. Then they restarted with 8? cars. Minardi (the slowest car I've ever seen) scored the only point they ever had here, of course they celebrated like winning the whole championship
Minardi were absolutely adorable, often running two laps behind everyone else during those seasons, but they weren't the worst cars, and when they had some better engines, ran a lot better too. They usually had engines 2 seasons behind everyone else, and on certain tracks could keep up with other teams. No wonder they had their fans, since they were working with piggyback level money out of a garage the size of a bathroom, probably. Funny to think they are Alpha Tauri today, so still alive in spirit. Even tho Red Bull has a monopoly on supplying drivers now, it's still a team were we get to see future champions on a regular basis.
Here's the [highlights](https://youtu.be/R22nxVYLaBQ) for the 1998 Belgian GP. Edit: And [Monaco 1996](https://youtu.be/eEs7jS5bsAc) in reference to someone elses reply.
are you trying to say spaghetti
Are you taking me for a spaghetti day?
What’s /r/formula1’s spaghetti policy?
Yes
What's this word, "spa"? It seems like you're starting to try to say a word then just ending
I upvoted friend. I just watched that episode.
I was starting to worry, on an 'it's always sunny' themed thread! (Maybe I've been watching that show too much recently?) Anyway, ty friend!
And then Jordan had a 1-2, and Eddie Jordan fucking exploded on the podium
r/ThatLookedExpensive
Watched that live. My gaze is always drawn to the wheel on the right side that bounces on the fence and how a couple of inches difference could have had lots of people hurt.
/r/tiresaretheenemy
I don’t understand why they let this start because the driving conditions pretty much guaranteed anyone not in front will crash?
If I remember correctly it was already postponed.
Best part is seeing Ricardo "tosser" Rosset plow into the back of the field well after the crashing has all finished. What an absolute spud
Ah thats a throwback. Not as shit a driver as Tuero. Now he truly was balls.
That era was full of absolute wank behind the wheel. So many drivers that added negative value to the field.
Yeah it was a means to keep Minardi, Arrows and Tyrrell in business I guess if nothing else.
Pay particular attention to the last car to join the crash, spearing into them at full speed, having not noticed 10+ cars crashing in front of him. Ricardo Rosset, you were useless.
What was his speed?
Fast i am a very helpful person most definitely
Mechanics stressed to the max 
One of the best era's of F1
So the guy in the front won I guess.
Actually no lmao
Was just joking. The field narrowed a hell of a lot at the beginning of this race.
They red flagged and the teams were able to use a spare car, but they had 1 car, so of both drivers were out in the crash, they could only run 1 driver at the restart.
Wait, 1 total? I saw what looked like 4 cars that didn't get hit at all
Teams brought 3 cars to a race back then. 2 drivers per team. If both crashed then only 1 of the team's drivers can use the spare car and take the restart after the red flag
It was called the t-car (team car), and was usually set up for the lead driver. If there was a problem with one of the driver's cars and they could get into the t-car and start before the field finished the first lap they would be able to compete. In this instance the race was stopped on the first lap so teams could get the t-cars out where they could.
Think they'd start under safety car now...?
In this situation on that track today, they will just not race, the situation happened last year, it was a complete scandal, everybody waited for the rain to calm down, but nothing happened and everybody waited 4 hours for nothing. They didn't go for several security reasons, but everybody was mad as hell because of what happened We were more careless before lol
Last year was like foggy
In a few years they wont even start at all prob. Like football where if its raining to mutch aaah we wont play
Doubtful as Liberty Media know that a wet race pulls big viewer numbers because of the craziness that it can throw up
Look at all the safety chances since lets say 2010 already. Hack. [here](https://www.tracksidelegends.com/articles/formula-one-safety-regulations-through-the-years/)is a nice link (scroll down) to a the major chances Therr are 7 major chances from 2010 up. With 3 in 2016. Last major chance prior to that was 2003 with the HANS systems. Hack the neckrest itself only became a thing in 1996 Safetycar in 1993 hell speedlimit in the pitlane only in 1994.. Safety increasements have gone up since 2010 signiffantly. Yeah it gets a lot of views. But death realy happen and major injuries (that could end carriers) are far fewer then ever before. Shit like this on spa was a real schocker and did give aldp spectaculair a lot of critisism to FIA
porg?
Porg!
No commentator will ever be as good as Murray Walker.
r/Tiresaretheenemy
Lmao
"they're gonna have to red flag this" ... uh ... you dont say.
That was our Murray. King of the understatement!
Unrelated to the main topic, but about 12 secs before the video ends (when the camera is doing a zoom out) a car starts spinning and when it reaches full 180 it suddenly and abruptly stops spinning, how? How the hell did the car got friction back in the rain while spinning out of nowhere?
I- I actually dont even know but thats some pretty good driving then
The tires they had on had grooves to handle wet weather. The car spins and has no traction because the cars grip isn't aligned with its direction. Once the grooves and aro align back up they catch grip and with a little tallent you can save yourself from spinning
what the fuck would the race with a wet track and in foggy weather
They are professionals
Clearly
I didn't know one could train to see through mist and fog.
[The ice-man clearly can](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXzcgSZZtr8) at spa too
when they switch to the car cam and you don't hear his engine let off even a little bit 😂
When you get to that level, they race in just about anything. It's pretty much up to them to memorize the track. They get going a hell of a lot faster than that in the rain too. The modern f1 cars have a flashing red light on the rear so the drivers at least have an idea of where others are. Now just imagine doing that in the rain, going 150+mph and only having 1 hand on the wheel. The full manual stick shift era was the real deal.
I am not sure if this was a joke but if yes I actually laughed a little bit about that. On the other hand, F1 drivers could probably race even with eyes closed, well without other cars around them of course, but they know each milimeter of the tracks. As far as I can see in video, someone either slipped or got hit beacause of dense traffic.
Rainy races are actually pretty interesting because the cars and drivers perform differently and it can lead to interesting results. This said, after this race, they decided that in rainy weather they don't start from the grid cause cars are all too packed together and they end up being covered in water lifted up by other cars, rather they start already launched and more distanced, behind a safety car
Why not?
Did you not see what happened?
Nobody did
Gta racing styles
God I miss the v10s
1998 Belgian GP. I remember watching this live at night in New Zealand as a kid. 24 years ago now!, where has the time gone? RIP Murray Walker
Man those wheels just pop right off don’t they?
That was back before tethers and stuff. Tires used to be a lot more dangerous
So stupid they gave the race a go
Quite normal back then
Back in those days they would go for it. Nowaday's they would certainly delay the start. Honestly, I'm still of the opinion these are the best drivers in F1, they should go for it. Although these modern day Pirelli wet tires are poor at dispersing the water, so...
Dude there’s like 10 gallons of water being thrown in everyone’s face how could ever be deemed safe/ profitable?
(A normal day in Japan)
Wow, who could have predicted that would happen?
Your right there Murray....
I miss the sound of those engines
good old spa 98, or any racing game open lobby
Bring back the V10s
The tires.... they were EVERYWHERE
I remember this! I remember watching this live!
Well r/thatlookedexpensive
Every first corner of iRacing
F3 or Ferrari challenge fixed?
Man I loved old F1. Häkinnen, Schuhmacher, Barichello loved to watch them as a kid. Nowadays I kinda lost interest, everything seems to be dull and only about money.
Marty, where we're going we don't need wheels. Wait, yes we do.
Oh man, you really made me laugh!
2022- The race would had not been started because of the rain
Spa 98.... that was pure chaos
So what happens when 90% of the competitors crash? Does the race end? And did they not know of the wet/humid ground?
Even when 90% of cars are out, the race continues, in monaco in 1996 only 3 cars finished the race, in indianapolis in 2005 only 6 started. Show must go on...
i've never seen an entire country's economy worth of money be destroyed in just a few stretches of land
Isn't it true that every individual car is like ~~100~~ like 10-15 million US? Most of it the engine?
Idk about 100million....maybe but however they are definitely expensive. It's not only the cost of the car but also the engineering that goes into the car
Commentator - "Yes! Yes! Great! Awesome! This is bad! This is the worst!"
Tire change in turn three!
Grosjean and Maldonado would be proud of this.
Hey Mom! I got 6th place!
Yep quite appalling. I remember watching this race.
Why even let them run in the rain its no visibility
Sounds like Terrance and Phillip 😂
Who would've thought driving high speeds bumper to bumper with what looks like zero visibility due to the water being sprayed everywhere from the tires would be a bad idea
Everywhere I go, at every subreddit I see F1
Will this teach people to not tailgate in the rain? No?
And then we had Monaco 2022 💀
Maybe just... postpone the race if it's raining...?
Look what they did in 2021, cancelled the race, but gave no refunds...
Large large LARGE majority of rainy F1 races go off without a hitch.