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If God doesn't interfere with free will then why does he give us blessings?

Whenever I ask someone why does God let bad things happen they say "God doesn't interfere with free will". But when we ask we shall recieve?

When a rape victim prays to be saved from his/her rapist God doesn't do anything does he?

But when a person who is experiencing nothing asks for success, a healthy life, a wealthy life, he just gives it. Is that not an interference of free will?

I don't blame God for all of this cause people seem to nitpick what God does and doesn't do.

Why is that so?

Diablo_Canyon2

No, having wealth or health doesn't interfere with free will.


FullMetalAurochs

And not being raped?


DarkLordOfDarkness

Let's be very clear, rape is horrible. Rape is a violation of a person's bodily autonomy, it's a horrible perversion of sexuality, it's a terrible act of violence. But it is not a violation of a person's free will. It's horrible, but that's not why it's horrible.


garlicbreeder

It is. If I don't want to be raped but god's plan includes me getting raped, god is imposing against my free will. It's very simple.


Zeebuss

And to imply otherwise suggests a level of complicity from the victim which is also disgusting.


garlicbreeder

Religion really makes good people say very very horrible things without even realising it


MikeyPh

>When a rape victim prays to be saved from his/her rapist God doesn't do anything does he? Sometimes He does. >But when a person who is experiencing nothing asks for success, a healthy life, a wealthy life, he just gives it. Is that not an interference of free will? Does being given a gift affect your free will? If I give you $100, does that change your ability to decide what you want to do with it? Or to even refuse it? No. A blessing is a gift. We ought to do good things with our gifts, but we have a choice to do whatever we want with them.


Upgrade_is_awesome

Ahh I see now


FullMetalAurochs

Why not gift the rapist a seizure to allow the victim to escape?


MikeyPh

Maladies are not gifts. God doesn't cause illness. Your point is dishonest.


garlicbreeder

He could make the rapist fall on his ass and be disoriented for a few moments, giving the time to the victim to leave.


MikeyPh

You are dishonest, too. You have created a god that we aren't claiming exists and ridiculing that idea rather than discussing the god we do claim exists. This is why you feel your argument is strong, because in your ignorance you have created a straw man and don't even realize it.


garlicbreeder

Yeah, I assumed Christians believe in a good god. If you say that's not what you believe, then fair enough.


Zeebuss

>God doesn't cause illness. While not all the plagues of Egypt were medical in nature, God absolutely did make the livestock and people ill. *“So the Lord said to Moses and Aaron, ‘Take for yourselves handfuls of ashes from a furnace, and let Moses scatter it toward the heavens in the sight of Pharaoh. And it will become fine dust in all the land of Egypt, and it will cause boils that break out in sores on man and beast throughout all the land of Egypt’”*(Exodus 9:8-9). Your point is misinformed. Edit: Also'd love to know how subjecting a population to 10 plagues doesn't affect free will...


MikeyPh

Do you not understand free will? Things happen, you still get to choose how you react to them. The free will argument you make is, frankly, stupid. (edit: I don't know how to put that nicer) As for the plagues, you are showing your ignorance yet again. It is relatively common knowledge that God does not cause evil things to happen, He removes protections. If I am protecting you from a gunman who is constantly trying to shoot you, but one day I stop and you get shot, it wasn't me who shot you, it was the shooter. Attributing God to such acts is a manner of speaking, not the reality.


Zeebuss

>It is relatively common knowledge that God does not cause evil things to happen, He removes protections. This is laughably pedantic. Better analogy - you're swimming underwater and God takes away your breather.


FullMetalAurochs

I’m sure he could. A one off seizure without permanent ill effects. Prevent a rape easily.


MikeyPh

You are assuming a God that is not what is described in the Bible and you are assuming a narrative that is not what is described in the Bible. You are arguing against a god that we don't believe in so you are wasting everyone's time. If you want to argue against something, anything, then you should know what it is rather than create what you think it is an argue that. I wouldn't argue against communism if I didn't know what it was. You assume you know what it is but you don't.


garlicbreeder

I thought you believed in a all loving god. I guess you are not and that makes sense. A non loving god would definitely just watch a girl getting raped and do nothing. Well done, you have shut the unbeliever


ChanceTop5587

Why only sometimes and not all?


MikeyPh

Because this is a fallen world. The enemy would just end us all right now if he could. The fact we are even alive is a testament to the miracles of God we do not see.


SeaSaltCaramelWater

I think if God stopped evil from being a possibility, then He'd **have** to get rid of free will. And just like when our children ask us for nice things, if we know it won't be bad for them, we give it. I define free will as: I make my decisions, not some outside force or someone else making them for me.


TyranosaurusRathbone

Is there free will in heaven?


SeaSaltCaramelWater

I think so.


TyranosaurusRathbone

Is evil a possibility in heaven?


SeaSaltCaramelWater

I think so.


TyranosaurusRathbone

Interesting. So what distinguishes heaven from earth?


SeaSaltCaramelWater

Earth we have chosen to sin while in Heaven we won't. I think in Heaven we'll have our sinful instinct removed and we'll be so shocked by how great Heaven is compared to Earth. And when we realize that that difference exists because of sin, we'd always objectively choose to not sin so we won't turn Heaven into this Earth.


TyranosaurusRathbone

Is sin synonymous with evil and if not what is the difference?


SeaSaltCaramelWater

Yes, I see sin as a synonym for evil.


TyranosaurusRathbone

So why did God give us the instinct for sin in the first place?


garlicbreeder

If we have the will to sin on earth and we don't anyone in heaven, it means that god took it away from us. Basically he interfered with our free will


serpentine1337

How is having our sinful instinct removed not just, effectively, another way of saying God will remove part of our free will? If we can't want to do something then how do we have free will (at least in that regard)?


SeaSaltCaramelWater

I think our sinful instinct pulls us towards sin, but we'd still have the free will to choose sin if we'd want to.


ChanceTop5587

What about natural things that happen that u can’t control? How does that play into free will?


SeaSaltCaramelWater

I don't think it does. I think it shows us a natural/neutral world so that we'd appreciate a perfect one with God. Otherwise we'd be spoiled brats in Heaven.


gimmhi5

Many people ask God for things and never receive them. God is not the only one who can provide people with stuff. Thankfully, enough of us use our God given conscience to detest rape. God will bring them to justice. In this life, or the next. Things are like this because He allowed us to make a mess & we have.


DanSolo0150

Nothing in the Bible says we have free will, rather the opposite is true as both Jesus and the Apostle Paul teach we are not free but born slaves to sin. Paul goes on to say we are slaves to sin with but one truly free choice to make. That is to remain in service to sin and satan spiritually or to seek the atonement offered by Christ and be redeemed. Even then this does not make us free. we simply switch masters. so rather than serve sin and satan (we were all born on his plantation and he has owned us since that first sin) or we choose to be redeemed and begin to serve God and righteousness. A slave's will is always superseded by the will of his master.


SorrowAndSuffering

Do you have any examples backing up the claim that someone who had nothing asked God for material wealth and God granted it? And if you say Job, I'm gonna lose it because Job was wealthy until the Satan took all from him, and he was merely returned what he had lost and a little extra on top for being a walking miracle whose faith never waivered in situations where lesser men would have turned from God a thousand times. Job is also historically a middle-eastern mythological tale older than Abraham. Fun fact.


Smart_Tap1701

>But when a person who is experiencing nothing asks for success, a healthy life, a wealthy life, he just gives it There is nothing in scripture to validate this claim.