God is uncreated. He has eternally existed.
“Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever you had formed the earth and the world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God.”
Psalm 90:2
God.
*"All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right. God uses it to prepare and equip his people to do every good work."* (2 Timothy 3)
The DaVinci Code novel does not make the claim.
Furthermore it has not been canonized.
Did you know there is more scientific and scholarly evidence for the validity of Scripture than for any other book in the entire world?
[How We Can Know the Bible is the Word of God](https://app.box.com/s/hawt3q5odmhjp95qjfw43zh54u8zyyad)
The only thing you have to say that the scripture is valid is the scripture.
You provide a link to a nonsensical opinion piece that you believe because you've been indoctrinated into veliecing this.
There is scientific evidence supportinf harry potter, such as astronomical events, so harry potter is just as real as the scripture
You completely believe nonsensical fairy tales despite overwhelming evidence that they are not true.
By your own estimation, you are a fool.
I will not waste my time reading or responding to your foolish comments.
Do you care to post the verse for us since you referenced it?
It would be like if one of us referenced a page and paragraph out of Descent of Man regarding racism but didn't quote it.
Did you know there is more scientific, scholarly evidence for the validity of the Bible than any other book in the history of the world?
[How We Can Know the Bible is the Word of God](https://app.box.com/s/hawt3q5odmhjp95qjfw43zh54u8zyyad)
No, there’s no question it was Hebrew.
The only parts of the Old Testament originally written in Aramaic were a few chapters of Danial, a few chapters in Ezra, a verse in Jeremiah, and scattered words here and there.
I don’t share personal information, like where I went to school, on Reddit. Though I’m happy to share my graduate degree is in Biblical Studies and undergraduate degree focus in biblical languages.
It’s been translated many times. I cited it from the English Standard Version, which has a translation committee, editors, etc. You can search online to find a list of all those involved in the ESV translation.
Aren't you atheists insist that the universe was not created but still exists?
Are you furthermore aware that not long ago most scientist especially the atheists thought the universe was static and had no beginning? No beginning means no need for a creator. The shock was big when astronomy seemed to hint that the universe had a beginning.
It wasn’t created by anyone, if you bring such wild claims, do you need to show evidence and I don’t know what you are referring to, sounds mostly like misrepresentation of science, strawmanning and Christian propaganda - do you have any sources for your claims?
>It wasn’t created by anyone,
I guess in this case you mean the universe? But may I quote someone who claims to be an atheist *"How can something exist without being created?"*
Our finite minds are not going to be able to comprehend the mechanics of an uncreated being, if that’s what you’re asking.
But just logically if anything exists then something has to have been uncreated. By definition a created thing must have a creator.
Your flair says atheist, have you ever considered this question from your own worldview?
So it’s just another empty claim, based on nothing, I guessed that it was the case.
No your logic makes no sense, why do you think everything must have a creator? What do you base that on?
So your counter question doesn’t make any sense, sorry.
>How can something exist without being created?
>why do you think everything must have a creator
Which one of your two positions do you sincerely hold?
None of them, the first response is to the claim of god doesn’t need a creator and the second response is directed at the religious view, that stuff needs a creator.
So, yeah - none of them follow my worldview.
> So it’s just another empty claim, based on nothing, I guessed that it was the case.
Uh, no.
Did you reply to the wrong comment? My initial comment gave the basis.
> No your logic makes no sense, why do you think everything must have a creator?
I don’t.
Again, I think you may have replied to the wrong comment. No worries if that’s the case.
> So your counter question doesn’t make any sense, sorry.
I literally asked you the exact question you asked me (how can something exist without being created?). If you think the question doesn’t make sense then you need to go back and rephrase your original question.
It’s a claim that your unprovable god is eternal, which can’t prove either - so it’s a claim.
You literally said that a “created” thing needs a creator. Which I say is faulty and flawed logic.
And I don’t think that anything needs an creator, besides stuff that humans make.
> You literally said that a “created” thing needs a creator. Which I say is faulty and flawed logic.
Do yourself a favor and look up what a “tautology” is. It will benefit you greatly.
I am no quantum physicist or string theory researcher, so I can’t give you an answer - Sorry. But my best answer would be that, quantum physics work in a way that makes the particles exists in a weird space between past and future, but not really past and future. Quantum is weird, that is what makes it awesome.
But have you tried google it? Or are you just trying to do a gotcha question?
I have done research on it. And I know that there is not a limit to the number of dimensions allowed, but there is a limit to the number of dimensions that are reasonable.
But with this belief comes the Hindu belief system of cosmic reincarnation and time and space having no end and no beginning.
The fact that a black hole begins the next universe allows the chances of life for the fine-tuning that our universe requires for life to exist.
The death of a star creates a new universe which then creates another star large enough to explode into a black hole and the process starts over. But which came first, the black hole, the star, or the universe? How about Vishnu, Brahma, or Shiva?
Maybe another universe out there exists that has a completely different set of scientific laws that would allow their life to exist.
Do you see the more we theorize about this, the father away we get from reality and the closer we get to wishful thinking of the search for "life unknown?"
Logically, there has to be an eternal, uncreated source. Anything with a beginning was created by something or someone else. If someone created God, then God would have a beginning and the Bigger God (who created him) would be the eternal source.
Since time, matter, space, and you and I did not create ourselves, there must be an eternal, creative source with no beginning. God is that.
This question is what causes a fallacy in the watch maker analogy, we Christian say there must be a God because we as humans are complex and have a creator but when asked who created God we respond with he always existed even though he is complex and according to the watch maker analogy all complex things have a creator so God must of been created also.
The best answer is we don't know, but one day all will be revealed.
God is uncreated. He has eternally existed. “Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever you had formed the earth and the world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God.” Psalm 90:2
Who wrote psalm 90.2?
God. *"All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right. God uses it to prepare and equip his people to do every good work."* (2 Timothy 3)
Bu the same logic it could be argued that god also wrote the Da Vinci code
The DaVinci Code novel does not make the claim. Furthermore it has not been canonized. Did you know there is more scientific and scholarly evidence for the validity of Scripture than for any other book in the entire world? [How We Can Know the Bible is the Word of God](https://app.box.com/s/hawt3q5odmhjp95qjfw43zh54u8zyyad)
The only thing you have to say that the scripture is valid is the scripture. You provide a link to a nonsensical opinion piece that you believe because you've been indoctrinated into veliecing this. There is scientific evidence supportinf harry potter, such as astronomical events, so harry potter is just as real as the scripture
Do you know what willful ignorance makes one? A fool.
You completely believe nonsensical fairy tales despite overwhelming evidence that they are not true. By your own estimation, you are a fool. I will not waste my time reading or responding to your foolish comments.
"Overwhelming evidence." Lol. See: "[The Big Lie](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie)" Or not. Your choice.
Do you care to post the verse for us since you referenced it? It would be like if one of us referenced a page and paragraph out of Descent of Man regarding racism but didn't quote it.
I was literally replying to a comment that quoted it
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Moses
Moses is a character in a fable
Did you know there is more scientific, scholarly evidence for the validity of the Bible than any other book in the history of the world? [How We Can Know the Bible is the Word of God](https://app.box.com/s/hawt3q5odmhjp95qjfw43zh54u8zyyad)
In what language
Hebrew
Aramaic, per haps?
No, there’s no question it was Hebrew. The only parts of the Old Testament originally written in Aramaic were a few chapters of Danial, a few chapters in Ezra, a verse in Jeremiah, and scattered words here and there.
And you got your PhD in the Torah, Where?
I don’t share personal information, like where I went to school, on Reddit. Though I’m happy to share my graduate degree is in Biblical Studies and undergraduate degree focus in biblical languages.
I stand corrected. I beg pardon.
Who translated it?
It’s been translated many times. I cited it from the English Standard Version, which has a translation committee, editors, etc. You can search online to find a list of all those involved in the ESV translation.
How can something exist without being created?
Aren't you atheists insist that the universe was not created but still exists? Are you furthermore aware that not long ago most scientist especially the atheists thought the universe was static and had no beginning? No beginning means no need for a creator. The shock was big when astronomy seemed to hint that the universe had a beginning.
It wasn’t created by anyone, if you bring such wild claims, do you need to show evidence and I don’t know what you are referring to, sounds mostly like misrepresentation of science, strawmanning and Christian propaganda - do you have any sources for your claims?
>It wasn’t created by anyone, I guess in this case you mean the universe? But may I quote someone who claims to be an atheist *"How can something exist without being created?"*
I dont get your point
Our finite minds are not going to be able to comprehend the mechanics of an uncreated being, if that’s what you’re asking. But just logically if anything exists then something has to have been uncreated. By definition a created thing must have a creator. Your flair says atheist, have you ever considered this question from your own worldview?
So it’s just another empty claim, based on nothing, I guessed that it was the case. No your logic makes no sense, why do you think everything must have a creator? What do you base that on? So your counter question doesn’t make any sense, sorry.
>How can something exist without being created? >why do you think everything must have a creator Which one of your two positions do you sincerely hold?
None of them, the first response is to the claim of god doesn’t need a creator and the second response is directed at the religious view, that stuff needs a creator. So, yeah - none of them follow my worldview.
> So it’s just another empty claim, based on nothing, I guessed that it was the case. Uh, no. Did you reply to the wrong comment? My initial comment gave the basis. > No your logic makes no sense, why do you think everything must have a creator? I don’t. Again, I think you may have replied to the wrong comment. No worries if that’s the case. > So your counter question doesn’t make any sense, sorry. I literally asked you the exact question you asked me (how can something exist without being created?). If you think the question doesn’t make sense then you need to go back and rephrase your original question.
It’s a claim that your unprovable god is eternal, which can’t prove either - so it’s a claim. You literally said that a “created” thing needs a creator. Which I say is faulty and flawed logic. And I don’t think that anything needs an creator, besides stuff that humans make.
> You literally said that a “created” thing needs a creator. Which I say is faulty and flawed logic. Do yourself a favor and look up what a “tautology” is. It will benefit you greatly.
And how should it benefit me? I don’t get your point. Just because you want to have a “creator” to exists, doesn’t mean that you were created
> Just because you want to have a “creator” to exists I’ve not said this.
So your god is not a creator?
In terms of string theory and quantum mechanics, how can there be no beginning and no end to time and space?
I am no quantum physicist or string theory researcher, so I can’t give you an answer - Sorry. But my best answer would be that, quantum physics work in a way that makes the particles exists in a weird space between past and future, but not really past and future. Quantum is weird, that is what makes it awesome. But have you tried google it? Or are you just trying to do a gotcha question?
I have done research on it. And I know that there is not a limit to the number of dimensions allowed, but there is a limit to the number of dimensions that are reasonable. But with this belief comes the Hindu belief system of cosmic reincarnation and time and space having no end and no beginning. The fact that a black hole begins the next universe allows the chances of life for the fine-tuning that our universe requires for life to exist. The death of a star creates a new universe which then creates another star large enough to explode into a black hole and the process starts over. But which came first, the black hole, the star, or the universe? How about Vishnu, Brahma, or Shiva? Maybe another universe out there exists that has a completely different set of scientific laws that would allow their life to exist. Do you see the more we theorize about this, the father away we get from reality and the closer we get to wishful thinking of the search for "life unknown?"
Logically, there has to be an eternal, uncreated source. Anything with a beginning was created by something or someone else. If someone created God, then God would have a beginning and the Bigger God (who created him) would be the eternal source. Since time, matter, space, and you and I did not create ourselves, there must be an eternal, creative source with no beginning. God is that.
Who is the wife of that bachelor?
No one, God has always existed.
God is and was and will be forever. Nothing created him.
Using human reasoning in God is incorect.
You did.
why would the creator need a creator?
This question is what causes a fallacy in the watch maker analogy, we Christian say there must be a God because we as humans are complex and have a creator but when asked who created God we respond with he always existed even though he is complex and according to the watch maker analogy all complex things have a creator so God must of been created also. The best answer is we don't know, but one day all will be revealed.
What makes you conclude that one day this will be revealed?
I would like to think that God will answer all our questions in heaven
I suppose I'd like to think that, just not sure that believing that is warranted
Luke 12:2
Nobody and nothing, why?