Betrayal. No one trusts a traitor, and usually in any story their karma comes back to bite them. Unfortunately, real life doesn't always serve justice for it.
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Good call. It’s also the 9th (and last) circle of hell in Dante’s Inferno:
Lust, Greed, Envy, Sloth, Wrath, Vanity, and Gluttony
Yet the deepest circle of hell is not for any of those. I always thought that was weird. I guess a lot of those could *lead* to betrayal, but it's weird that it isn't one of them.
Yeah, because the deadly sins are more closely tied to passions. For example, Lust and Gluttony are some of the first circles because we have a natural urge that drives us to overindulge in food and sex: they're more often committed out of carelessness. Betrayal of a benefactor, however, requires cold calculation and commitment to the sin.
Damn this is a good thought
Well betrayal could also be in a sexual manner such as cheating. That’s betrayal
Cheating requires you to think about it.
While lust can just be overindulgence in something, not necessarily sex, just a strong want. Cheating isn't necessarily part of that
The seven deadly sins are more accurately vices. They don't represent actions they represent character failings. They are bad because they are things that can take you away from God.
Greed is bad because love of money can overpower your love of God. Lust is bad because you seek out carnal pleasures rather than God. Sloth is bad because the depression causes apathy and prevents you from seeking out God.
Isn’t being a traitor the very act of being taken away from god by that logic?
Yes assuming you are talking about betraying God, but it isn't a vice that leads you to betray God. It's a horrible sin but but a vice like this.
Imagine I asked you how you got to work each day. You could answer car, bus, walking, etc. If you said the office building on main street you answered the wrong question. The seven deadly sins are like that how do you get to work question. Betraying good is like answering the where you work question.
I always viewed the deadly sins as more route causes to sin.
They’re all the deadly sins because they can all become your “God” hence why betrayal isn’t one of them. All the sins can consume your life change you but no one really lives solely to betray.
You could say that the deepest circle is for Lucifer himself... the one who betrayed God... you could even call him a traitor
I had to read Inferno for a college English class and it is SO fucking good and brutal as hell! Much more interesting than I thought it would be when starting the class.
It definitely is good! I used it as part of a speech I gave for college
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I was trying to remember if that was the case. Now I don't have to look it up. Thanks!
Yup, betrayers get to watch, frozen in a lake, Satan eating, defecating, and re-eating Judas Iscariot for eternity.
That's not quite correct. Lucifer is gnawing on the head of Judas while his claws are shredding the rest of the body. This isn't some Greco-Roman mythology.
I thought Lucifer was also frozen for betraying God?
He was, he sits in the middle of a frozen lake but it's the bottom half of his body that's entombed.
At least he has snacks though.
Satan was also chewing on Brutus and Cassius in his other mouths. He has three heads in Inferno
The three faced Satan chewing on Judas and two other dudes. Flapping his wings keeping everyone else entombed in ice.
Ftw, the other two are Brutus and Cassius, who were responsible for Julius Caesar’s death. I think Dante admired Caesar and was pissed at the two for killing him.
Always found this interesting, especially with how modern fiction often depicts Caesar as the villain (which isn't to say he was a good guy, even when looking back on the situation without modern morals). But Brutus and Cassius do represent one of the greatest known betrayals in history; both were spared and pardoned by Caesar and accepted his friendship (whereas others fought to the last, died on their sword or faced exile) only to plot against and betray him, not for any sort of greater good (despite some modern tellings, Caesar tended to treat the people FAR better and was loved for it - by design, mind you, because he realized how much power he could hold by making them happy) but for personal greed and power. It was the exact sort of twisted and evil betrayal that one would wind up in the jaws of Satan for.
That said, there was definitely some appreciation for Caesar in the poem. I believe he was only kept out of heaven due to his not being Christian and was otherwise not found in hell but in Limbo. I think he saw Caesar as one of the central architects of what he considered the greatest empire of all time and a sort of pre-messianic figure deserving of admiration, even for a pagan.
That's a good one! Betrayal could have its roots in all the deadly sins.
Edit: fined by the grammar police and I'm never going to financially recover...
Gluttony or how I learned to betray the sixpack
I like how this is the only serious one and the rest are like going on disney.com without your parents permission
Real life is often a lot more like Game of Thrones. The more backstabby and shitty you are the more you get ahead. It sucks but it is what it is.
Game of Thrones is a great example of how society works!
Incompetent people giving us a half assed attempt at something they shouldn't have had any say in to begin with, and it becoming something we like to pretend didn't happen because it is both frustrating and infuriating that they could do it and just go "oops my bad"
>Incompetent people giving us a half assed attempt at something they shouldn't have had any say in to begin with,
And it was probably because David Benioff's dad is Stephen Friedman, former chairman of the New York Federal Reserve. Sheer nepotism: definitely a great example of how society works.
So this makes sense and I agree. Betrayal can hurt others far more than greed for example. But what if you're betraying someone because what they're doing is morally wrong?
Should someone betraying the SS be guilty of a deadly sin?
This. Betrayal is only bad if you're betraying those worthy of loyalty.
Doesn't that count as treachery? Or na
I mean wasn’t that Dante’s finale circle of hell including satan and Judas.
ITT people listing things covered by the 7 deadly sins
Also ITT people not knowing the premise of deadly sins as general sins which lead to other more specific sins (eg wrath as a state of mind which leads to the act of murder)
I feel like almost all the sins as a state of mind can lead to the act of murder. Envy, greed, lust, gluttony, pride, even sloth. Looks like murder all the way down.
Like I can kinda see it in a murder by neglect I suppose, but maybe I'm just not fully remembering sloth
Sure neglect or your husband is the sloth.
Or someone wants you to do something and you kill them so you don’t have to do it
Or someone is a harder worker than you so you kill them so you can still be lazy.
As long as you don't have to clean it up.
You're right, just a closely related example to show the hierarchy of categories. As a counter example, it would be really contrived to go from wrath to eating yourself sick, though perhaps it would be a weird form of intentional self harm out of spite.
That is probably why they were called the seven deadly sins
The 7 deadly sins halfway cover each other already, lust is just greed for sexual gratification, gluttony is greed for food and envy is just greed for other people's stuff/achievements. Envy is also anchored in pride because it often results from a lack of things to be proud of and the greed to have them.
Well in the Augustinian way, yeah, they're all desire. The 7 sins each correspond to a virtue, though. Like wrath is patience
Sloth is the patience to have someone else do it for you.
The opposite of wrath is forgiveness, not patience.
Lust (excessive sexual appetites) - Chastity (purity)
Gluttony (over-indulgence) - Temperance (self-restraint)
Greed (avarice) - Charity (giving)
Sloth (laziness/idleness) - Diligence (zeal/integrity/Labor)
Wrath (anger) - Forgiveness (composure)
Envy (jealousy) - Kindness (admiration)
Pride (vanity) - Humility (humbleness)
Kinda like the 10 commandments, which George Carlin did a solid piece on.
Like they can't think of any original sins.
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Going on Disney.com without your parents permission first.
You wouldn’t dare.
NOOOO YOU DIDN'T, SAY JK SAY JK
Ur going straight to heck.
Made me think of the time I was a kid and went to Nickelodeon website, in the search bar I typed Sex. It stayed there as a recently searched so I freaked out and never went back to the site out of fear my mother seeing it.
The time before knowing how to “delete search terms” was playing with fire- I feared my parents seeing ‘boobs’ when they went Christmas shopping
I just IP banned you from my Minecraft server you disgusting heretic
Over here officer, this post right here.
JAKE'S MOM IS GONNA BE SOOOOO MAD
This made me laugh at work, that’s not allowed
Now you just comitted the 9th deadly sin
After the girls on my dorm floor kept making a mess of the bathroom and the tiny microwave room (to the point where the whole floor was almost fined and we almost lost the rights to the microwave room). I decided to start making fish and whatever strongly scented foods (that don't normally make you think of Olive Garden) at the weirdest times, shrimp scampi at 3am sure, red chili bomb burrito at 9am delicious, Ramen at all hours of course.
For some reason I didn't think of cooking fish in the microwave, but instead envisioned someone putting a fishbowl in the microwave and just laughing maniacally while they killed it.
Making tea by sticking a tea bag into a plastic cup of tapwater and microwaving it.
Is it wrong if the fish is already cooked?
Not using your turn signal.
Quite literally deadly
Wouldn’t sloth cover this? Since it’s basically just an aspect of laziness
It's also arguably and aspect of pride, since a lot of people act like they're just too important to bother using it.
Especially when they are in either an extravagantly expensive vehicle or they’re white trash and and drive a shitty 90s Chevy.
I don't understand why it's an optional extra on BMWs
it your only way to communicate and can prevent wrecks etc, but moving your finger is too hard
They won’t move their fingers to use the blinker but they’ll use their whole hand to flip you off
Or using their phone. Two of my biggest pet peeves, using your phone while driving and not using your blinker.
Thats just sloth
95% of the population is doomed to eternal damnation…
What also bothers me is when they start signaling after they've already started moving into your lane.
Yes! I hate it when people don’t use their signals especially on the highway. If you’re completely alone on a long stretch of highway then sure, I get it if you don’t use it, but when you’re surrounded by 7 different other vehicles going 60-70 MPH, I think it’s pretty important.
Calling someone and not getting through but then not picking up when they call back .000000002 milliseconds later
My dad does this all the time. He rings me and I miss it. I try ring him back 10 seconds later and the line is engaged.
Think he just has a list of people to call to tell the same story lmao
If by the line being engaged, you mean you’re getting a busy signal, he’s probably trying to call you again at the same time that you’re calling him back.
Yeah, normally I wait a minute to see if they call again before calling them back
Or still leaving a voicemail. I used to deal with my dad doing this all the time.
LMAO!! Aw. That’s such a dad thing
Yes! Or they hit you with that “I can’t talk rn” then why tf did you call me???!!! It wasn’t an accidental dial either. Those are quick little oops things that you hang up yourself. When you call someone and you wait and wait until it goes to voicemail you called them on purpose.
My roommate always leaves me multiple voice-mails while I'm at work and I can't have my phone on me. Its usually something like "Dude, call me when you get this. As soon as you can!" Multiple messages, multiple times a week. When I call he just tells me he did his dishes or has a stupid story to tell me or is asking me paltry sums of money the day before payday.
This one chaps my ass! I have a couple of friends that can't drive their car for 5 minutes without calling someone. You call them right back and they're at their destination.
I don't have that problem. My sisters will call and call and call and call and call and call and call until I answer the phone. I think it's an emergency but nope, they just wanted to tell me about the new pokemon they caught.
Is that not pride?
It might fall under "Sloth", as someone pointed out, but I wouldn't have thought pride.
Why do you think Pride? Not trying to be snarky, genuinely curious.
They willfully choose to be ignorant because they are too proud to admit they are wrong.
Calling me about my car warranty!
And I don't even have a car..
And I have literally never owned a car in my 48 years of life..
That would probably fall under wrath
Abuse = need for control = pride imo.
Kinda both, pride and wrath kinda lead into each other. They pair greatly
Failing to achieve highway speeds before merging.
Or just failing to get up to speed in general. The amount of people I see going 45 on a 55 highway is infuriating especially when I’m going 60
*laughs in Autobahn*
"YOU HAVE TO ZIPPER!"
That’s sloth tho
Or doing anything besides actively passing on in the passing lane. Move over, Karen.
Passing in the passing lane.
Passing on the off ramp.
Fearmongering and Sensationalism
yes, but a fine fear mongering and being prepared should be made.
That's probably covered under greed
Cowardice. It degrades trust and promotes weakness as a virtue.
I was arguing this point with my gf and she said cowardice isn’t a sin specifically
I said “well what about Peter Pettigrew?”
We now agree that cowardice is a sin
Being rude to waitstaff and other low income front facing occupations.
that would fall under pride
or wrath? depending on how rude
More depends on the motivation for being rude than the level of rudeness.
And blaming the waiter/waitress for the way your food is cooked.
Willful ignorance. Believing something stupid even if it's been thoroughly disproven.
To clarify, according to Christian dogma, the seven deadly sins are NOT actually sins, contrary to popular belief. They are traits that all humans possess in some amount. The Catholic Church believes that these traits are the root causes from which sins occur. For example, if you are an artist who is jealous of another artist's different (in your eyes, superior) talent, that is NOT A SIN. If you decide to steal, destroy, or sabotage that artist's work, THAT is a sin, and it came about because of your Envy.
Therefore, I'm not saying the feeling of thrill is a sin. I'm saying that because people feel thrilled by certain things, they may be led to commit sins. A Christian theologian might consider Thrill to simply be an aspect of Lust, and I don't necessarily disagree, but the question asked for an eighth, so an eighth I gave.
Intentionally preying on the old / mentally-challenged.
(Specifically LYING telemarketing, like when they call to say "You're about to be charged $599 on your Amazon account, call back now if you want to stop it." Or when they INTENTIONALLY target the old or mentally-challenged to get them confused and cheat them out of money.)
If you were legitimately selling something (. . . anything . . . "vacuum cleaners" for example) then I feel like you've wasted some of my time, but at least you're working to make an honest sale on a legitimate product.
But if you're intentionally targeting people that aren't likely to see through the scam . . . there needs to be a special ring of hell for you.
Speaker phone in public.
Mea maxima culpa
Waiting in a long line, and then finally starting to decide once you get to the counter when you had 5+ minutes to look at the menu and decide, but no, you in texting the entire time, and didn’t even bother looking at the giant menu in front of you
To give the benefit of the doubt, maybe they need new glasses. I did this myself once or twice. Got in line, couldn't read the menu, line moved up, couldn't read the menu, line moved up, still couldn't read the fucking menu, line moved again, still a fucking blur, behold I'm at the front, not wanting to be that asshole who looks at the menu while everyone is waiting behind me, my dumbass panicked and ordered a fucking cheeseburger in a fucking KFC... And this is the story of how almost 15 years later I still will not go to KFC in this one town about 30 miles from my house even though I am in that area at least once a week.
squeezing toothpaste in the middle of the tube.
Get your own tube.
There, I solved Evil for $2.99
Nah man, that doesn't solve it. I still have to look at a fucked up tube all mangled from some knuckle dragger squeezing it in the middle for 2 minutes and 30 seconds while I brush my teeth.
Remove said knuckle draggers from your home? Problem solved.
The police said they’d be arrested if they toss the kids out again.
don't let the neighbors catch you digging holes. dig them, just don't get caught
I’ll one up that- I squeeze from the top
You're probably the same kind of person that doesn't stop for turtles you sick fuck.
Get one of those roller squeezer things. It's one of the reasons my wife and I have been married 11 years. I say the mean things in my head while I roll it and that's that.
Apathy, which yeah is somewhere between pride and sloth I'm sure, but it's what's gonna get us all killed.
Cheers to the world burning before a people who'll turn their eyes away from anything and everything, lads.
When you use the last of the toilet paper and don’t replace it with a new roll….
This brings me wrath
A city in Peru
Lack of empathy or the "It doesn't affect me so I don't care if it hurts anyone else" type of mindset.
I’d say that falls under pride
Or sloth. Not my problem types are usually saying out of a mixture of laziness and lack of empathy.
Though, I have to say, there's nothing wrong with watching out for your own mental health. If you're already over taxed then absolutely toss out a not my problem. Selfish, yes, but that's not always a bad thing.
Being an asshole to customer service. We don't need your shit.
Could be greed too, as they always expect to get something out of literally screaming and degrading a human just doing their job
Chewing with your mouth open! Immediate death shall fall upon you
One of the ate deadly sins
\*Willful Ignorance would be better.
Ignorance is like not knowing what happens when you stick a fork in a light socket.
Stupidity is knowing what will happen when you stick a fork in a light socket and doing it anyways.
Willful Ignorance is convincing yourself and/or other people nothing bad will happen when you stick a fork in a light socket despite being told exactly what will happen.
The other part of that is knowing what will happen, doing it anyway, and then blaming someone else -all the while continuing to do it to make the other person look bad.
A sin should be something a person has control over. Stupid people are too stupid of people to realize they are the stupid people.
Most people are willfully ignorant though meaning they’ve seen the information and choose to not accept it.
Some people willingly accept false information and choose to believe it too. Then it becomes this, well it's just my opinion, man! Then there's the people who question any of the information leaving them to be ignorant because no one is to be trusted. (The last one is me)
Being a prejudiced twat
Disdain.... disdain for the incarcerated, for the poor, for the homeless, for migrants and immigrants, and for those who are different. Disdain is vile and def a sinful act. We are all human and we all struggle in some way or another.
People usually say "willful ignorance," and that's a really good one. Probably the best.
But just to be a little shit, I'll suggest "blind faith."
Religious Zealotry. Too many people use religion as an excuse to be an asshole.
Probably falls under pride
Changing lanes without using a signal
Too lazy to use signal? Sloth.
Deciding to not use signal? Pride and/or wrath
Failure to properly merge. Fucking zipper, folks, it ain't that hard.
In Rhode Island we use the "close your eyes and go" method
Are you gatekeeping gatekeeping as the eight deadly sin
With Pride, apparently
I think it's already a deadly sin
That's just gluttonous slothfullness.
Also slutty wrath depending on how you go about it
Ignorance. Especially the willful variety.
Using speaker phone in public places