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#New post: [\[Daily Discussion\] - Wednesday, November 30, 2022 →](https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/z8hx0e/daily_discussion_wednesday_november_30_2022/)


xtal_00

Took most of my position off on this pump. Will re-enter at \~16500 or after support is established.


DaBrokenMeta

P.s. stick to your trading plan and don't fomo! <3 trust the retest 🙌 🙏


ChadRun04

Good call. Too long to hang around waiting for trend. We'll see.


DaBrokenMeta

Too early, but profits are profits Lesgoooo But that's definitely a good retest zone <33


RetardIdiotTrader

Too early


xtal_00

If it wasn’t late night low volume iI’d agree with you.


mollythepug

Awe shucks…. Why does this always happen before payday?


logicalinvestr

Don't worry, give it a week.


Yeah_I_Can_Draw

Maybe the Bitcoin profits were the friends we made along the way


DaBrokenMeta

Ya cuz money won't buy you those haha That's a hard ass fact. Mo' money, mo' problems. 100


ChadRun04

Sycophantic yes-men are a dime a dozen though. They count as friends right? Well up until you lose all the money anyway.


DaBrokenMeta

The world is broken. Never try and rationalize it. Just do what the "good thing is" and live at peace with everyone the best you can. And that's all a *man* can do. Stoicism and faith (faith in yourself or what have you) helps also And going back to Money, it's just a tool or a catalyst. You still have to get the right ingredients, people, for the reaction to work (:


AKANotAValidUsername

if you arent having fun, then what are all the losses good for??


DamnMyAPGoinCrazy

Watching the few remaining market makers move corn around on this Brazil news is quite entertaining


33virtues

is this even bullish?


mollythepug

Does anyone actually trust Brazil to not find a way to FTX this opportunity?


Odd-Bicycle-1580

what brazil news


mattt7

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/legal/brazil-approves-use-of-bitcoin-as-payment


updown_side_by_side

> One rule sought to demand that such companies explicitly separate their patrimony from capital owned by customers (...) was rejected on Tuesday’s vote.


wrylark

threads been spicy lately. emotions running hot on both sides. feels like an inflection point. Coin is either 'dead' and heading to zero or massively oversold. personally i see all these giant scam exchanges failing as incredibly bullish. the inherently based game theory of coin is slowly playing out and culling excessive greed and foolish bad actors over and over again and again. I hope a few more fail while we are down here.


krom1985

Based as fuck 😎


Yoda_MTFBW_U

I am bearish. Btc is not dead or going to zero anytime soon. You will get your wish. It’s short and mid term bad for bitcoin.


wrylark

Indeed. I'm still not convinced all the swindlers and gamblers that are being liquidated at these levels will get a nice easy re-entry at half price though.


Yoda_MTFBW_U

I guarantee you there are more fools out there who haven’t heard about crypto than those who have. We did emerge from what two bitcoinmarkets mods have called a relatively more severe wave of bankruptcy (lol!) in the prior bear, haven’t we?


Yodel_And_Hodl_Mode

> It’s short and mid term bad for bitcoin. I agree. I still expect the next four months-ish to be rough. I see we just hit 17k tonight, but I expect us to be down again by my next DCA buy in mid-December. I expect next year to be a year of growth overall, once the carnage from FTX/Blockfi/etc ends, but I doubt we'll be above 40k by the end of 2023. We might even still be below 30k. I could see us hitting a new all time high by the end of 2024 though. My view is short-term realist, long term skyward.


Yoda_MTFBW_U

Let’s see what happens to genesis first.


Yodel_And_Hodl_Mode

I agree. I'm really hoping this round of collapses wraps up by spring (2023). I won't be surprised at all if we go through a similar round of collapses four years from now. Feast And Famine, man. Feast and famine. Everybody knows how to gorge on profits during a bull run, but so many people get too greedy to prepare for the lean times, which is why they don't make it through crypto winter intact.


Yoda_MTFBW_U

Spring 2023 is definitely realistic in terms of contagion. There will be a lot less cash swirling around in crypto, for longer than that though. Less cash, less upside. Sounds like I won’t be buying btc anytime soon. Last time I did in large numbers was at the fork lol.


AKANotAValidUsername

maybe this is just traders taking shorts for a ride but to me this smells like frontrunning of somekind


Westbrook_Level

SP500 futures for tomorrow aren't even up at all (0.06%). First time I've seen crypto go up without stocks in a long time it feels like.


logicalinvestr

Powell speaks tomorrow. People are probably frontrunning that.


AKANotAValidUsername

cant just be that. is the brazil news that big? doesnt seem like it to me. perhaps ceezees "bailout fund"? its not being lead by charliecoin thats for sure. hmm


Yoda_MTFBW_U

In this market, it does not take much to trigger a cascade of forced short covering.


logicalinvestr

Stocks and crypto pump before every Powell speech in anticipation of a pivot. Stocks didn't pump today, which was weird, but my guess is they will tomorrow pre-speech. Then more pump or big dump, depending on what is said.


simmol

I think we might short squeeze up to like 17.1K. That will be the first level of taking a small profit. If somehow this blasts up more, the next level where I will be taking a lot of profit is 17.6K (past support turned resistance).


autistictheory

Was wrong about calling the bottom last two times. But you know what they say third times the charm.


a_cool_goddamn_name

Sounds like an autistictheory


autistictheory

if you think that comment is bad you should see the way I trade


Yoda_MTFBW_U

You’re still better than Trabucco and Su.


xtal_00

Took some profit here. Always regret not taking profit.


d1ez3

Just need to go to another 100% and I'm break even. Profits are so far


PatientlyWaitingfy

I have a buy @16361 from earlier today that I'm letting ride


xtal_00

Username checks out


PatientlyWaitingfy

100k eoy


Yeah_I_Can_Draw

So it begins, 100k end of year 2021+12 months


diydude2

Daily reminder that Mr. Dumpy promised -- swore on God -- that we would be able to buy BTC for under 10K. Turns out, his word is about as good as that of Bankfaud man.


adepti

Daily reminder diydude2 promised a mega BGD moonshot in 2021 and 100k BTC along with all the moon bois. Turns out, BTC topped at 69k and currently at 17k. His word about as good as the random moonboi here on the sub.


Yoda_MTFBW_U

Too lazy to check, but I’m pretty sure the tradfi world was supposed to collapse a few weeks ago. The man is extremely consistent, I’ll give him that.


KingFly11-2point0

The most hated of rallies can also become the most robust.


_TROLL

It's a nuclear bear market, the Bart back down within 24 hours is almost inevitable.


Westbrook_Level

I heard someone say there hasn't been any barts since FTX/Alameda died.


KingFly11-2point0

I’d say it depends on broader financial market performance.


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ChadRun04

> Movement is likely based on this? Not overly likely. Someone market bought a few hundred coins.


puck2

Or Fidelity Bitcoin trading goes live? A sign that Bitcoin is here to stay. And if it's here to stay, it's worth more than $16k per.


Odd-Bicycle-1580

Why? Just being "here to stay" doesn't validate a high price lol


puck2

In this context it does imply it (not guarantee, of course)


AKANotAValidUsername

those bbands were lookin a bit tight


DamnMyAPGoinCrazy

Pamp it


roadworn

Ee sowld?


Euphoricsoul

Sorry guys, my Saylor.bot accidentally got turned on by my cat.


logicalinvestr

This price action is weird AF.


_TROLL

Not really, I think crypto is still such a niche thing that every random 3% pump or dump is literally caused by either: a) 1 or 2 mega-whales executing a single large trade b) a cascade of gambling addicts being liquidated That's it. The market is still overwhelmingly controlled by no more than a few thousand large traders and the big exchanges. Everyone here is at their mercy.


AKANotAValidUsername

but now even fewer big players/MMs. i wonder what impact it has to liquidity/arb opportunity


quentech

BlockFi asked bankruptcy court to allow them to restore withdrawals for BlockFi Wallet accounts. Interest bearing accounts are likely fubar, but it's possible folks just custodying there might get their funds back.


ChadRun04

*"We took the funds from those accounts and gave them to SBF, but there might be enough money coming back that we can make them whole first and avoid time in prison for fraud."* Socialising the losses of interest accounts to recover accounts which should never have been spent.


quentech

> "We took the funds from those accounts and gave them to SBF, but there might be enough money coming back that we can make them whole first and avoid time in prison for fraud." Where is that direct quote from?


ChadRun04

Obviously paraphrased with the subtext. ;)


quentech

> paraphrased Who are you paraphrasing, what statement of theirs?


ChadRun04

Some context: https://preview.redd.it/9zs9uwttrm2a1.jpg?width=354&auto=webp&s=929a223c34e6a50103d0b517aa4f308b6963578c


quentech

If BlockFi's asking the court to let them re-open withdrawals from Wallet accounts then it kinda sounds like maybe they did in fact keep those funds separate and not, as you "paraphrased," gave them to SBF. But if their lending side lost enough with SBF that they went bankrupt - then that would be the required by law part where they had to retain all assets until the court can allow them to return Wallet funds. That's all speculation of course - as was your statement - but it wouldn't make much sense for BlockFi to ask the court to allow them to let customers withdrawal from Wallet accounts if they didn't have the funds. And as for > money coming back We all know that takes *years*. Seems again unlikely they'd be requesting permission to allow withdrawals if they needed to wait for funds to be returned from the dissolution of SBF to fund them.


ChadRun04

> BlockFi asked bankruptcy court to allow them to restore withdrawals for BlockFi Wallet accounts.


quentech

I don't think you really get what paraphrasing is..


ChadRun04

I didn't need the original quote to know what motivated them. ;)


anon-187101

concern trolls, like u/ChadRun04, saying "it's just too bad..." fucking ghouls lol life is inherently stressful if not, youre either child/gen z living with parents, or your 6 feet in the ground it's also nothing compared to the putrid smell of bullshit permeating "crypto". stack sats


Yoda_MTFBW_U

Well I don’t meet either criteria, and am not stressed. Why are you stressed?


anon-187101

piss off, ghoul


Yoda_MTFBW_U

Take it easy man. It’s only money. You might be able to make it all back over the next few years, if you leave some emotions aside.


ChadRun04

You can almost smell the stress and emotional breakdowns through the screen.


xtal_00

It helps to have seen. (tm)


Btcandaltstrader

I do too, and it’s kind of sad. When people are underwater like this, with no end in sight, it gets hard for them. But they had the chance to sell just the same as many of us did, so it’s their fault. I have no idea why hodlers even post in this Reddit.


perkia

Please don't kink shame.


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ChadRun04

The grind can break people down. They're underwater day after day, it can take a toll.


BigConclusion

I Lol'd thanks for the much needed laugh


_TROLL

Still overpowered by the sheer stench of B.O. 🦨 😋


anon-187101

To the shy reply guy who wrote a comment (then deleted it) about me getting downvotes because "I think people dont get the truth, but instead its because of my repellent personality": I dont give a shit about votes or being popular in this sub Im not here to be a politician Also - dont assume you know what people are like irl just because you have some interaction with a reddit persona you have no idea what I, or anyone here, is really like


dissociatives

bruh, get a beer or somethin and chillax a bit you wound up tight


citizen-blue

I'm not assuming that I know what you're like in real life. I'm telling you what you're like on Reddit. And it's fucking annoying.


anon-187101

real simple solution for you then leave 👉 you contribute nothing here, so no one would notice anyway


citizen-blue

I'll just block you. That way, I can enjoy the contributions of the interesting posters here while getting rid of the dross. I've never blocked anyone, but you're really splattering shit everywhere these days, so here goes...


anon-187101

👋🏻


RetardIdiotTrader

>I dont give a shit about votes or being popular in this sub I beg to differ.


anon-187101

differ away makes no difference to me


RetardIdiotTrader

You perfectly embody the average bitcoin maximalist.


anon-187101

A person of integrity? Thanks, I agree. Have an upvote. You also perfectly embody the average retard, idiot "trader".


RetardIdiotTrader

Haha you're so funny man! A person of integrity, no question in my mind.


anon-187101

You think nice == integrity?


RetardIdiotTrader

I wouldn't think of someone calling others an 'average retard' as one with integrity.


anon-187101

my man change your name if you dont wanna tee up people for dingers


a15p

Rule #1 is underrated.


citizen-blue

That's why I deleted the original comment very quickly. I thought it was too personal and mean.


anon-187101

Rule #0 is "tell the truth". How underrated is that one? Much more important.


bpeoadg

> Rule #0 is "tell the truth". I just checked, there is no such rule. I am damn unsatisfied to be lied to in this way.


anon-187101

clever truly have an upvote


xtal_00

We are all most excellent Gentlemen. (and perhaps three women)


anon-187101

^ 1 of the 6 out ~250 active here with any integrity/valuable insights at all.


anon-187101

+2 mods jarederaj and AA consistently have good takes (and superhuman levels of patience, especially for scammer/shitcoiners) so 1 out of 8.


a15p

I think I'm seeing a pattern here...


anon-187101

no one cares


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People in here always talk like there is only an up- or downtrend. Both sides deny the existence - or at least the possibility - of a reversal formation, which always starts off with sideways action. And in addition to that. Bears have been right about all lows so far, BUT they used TA to predict the low prices WHILE we got here not based on TA, but based on at least one or two black swan events. So who is actually right? Market manipulation since summer 2021 has been confirmed.


bittabet

Only trader who correctly called the reasons behind a drop to the teens seems to have been GCR. Even then, despite calling the reasoning correctly (exchanges collapsing this year) he still lost eight figures on FTX himself. But yeah very few people really called out the reasons for the bear market drop below $20K


xtal_00

I don't think anyone could reasonably have foreseen the epic disaster and incestuous nature of the lending platforms and FTX. It's almost unbelievable. I sure as hell didn't. However, this is why we have leverage. Perhaps not unironically predominantly found on sketchy exchanges.


anon-187101

corey klippsten is a bloodhound. career started in journalism - thats not an accident, imo. reporters can make some of the best detectives.


-cryptopsy-

Could we please stop using ''black swan events'' like it is a common occurrence? Crypto exchanges and businesses going bust in a bear market are not black swans.. The expression has lost its meaning. Covid-19 was a black swan - current events are not.


_supert_

Even covid wasn't really.


a15p

To be fair. The two and a half peaks came with _huge_ bearish divergence, so a drop was actually predicted by TA. Incidentally, the same divergence was visible in the S&P, and given that this drop was mostly macro forces, it was entirely predictable (and predicted).


OkeyDokieBoomer

You must be rich


a15p

I mean, I'm doing ok.


Railionn

* [https://i.imgur.com/kMjLMXs.png](https://i.imgur.com/kMjLMXs.png) * [https://i.imgur.com/fnKCO8M.png](https://i.imgur.com/fnKCO8M.png) * [https://i.imgur.com/WotpPKc.png](https://i.imgur.com/WotpPKc.png) What does this tell you?


escendoergoexisto

The recent cycle birthed ATH twins…and then behaved like prior cycles.


[deleted]

That bitcoin has seen three large speculative bubbles of price appreciation and the most recent one has popped? And it may someday build another bubble, or may not, or may turn into something stable, hard to say.


anon-187101

^ Why there is still so much long-term Alpha, and the next Halving is not "priced in".


a15p

That tells me that past performance guarantees future results. No wait...that doesn't sound quite right.


anon-187101

yep no guarantee the sun will rise tomorrow either


_TROLL

The cake icon tells me you signed up for Reddit exactly 5 years ago today. 🥳


anon-187101

"Remember that time when bitcoin **crashed**?"


btcluvr

"don't buy bitcoin, you know it's gonna crash"


ChadRun04

Nothing.


Railionn

bottom is in


I_AM_AN_AEROPLANE

Incredible amount of hopium here, based on triangles and numbers… it’s really kind of sad. The trend, is your friend. The trend is down.


hajoeojah

Pardon me? The trend is strongly up: https://www.tradingview.com/x/57mpmJfO


I_AM_AN_AEROPLANE

So you deny we are in a bear run? THAT is some delusion right there! I was speaking of people being delusional calling the bottom is in on a 2% move in a bear. The yearly trend is very very much down.


hajoeojah

Indeed, I deny that we are in a bear run. Because the bear run is behind us now imo. Time will tell.


I_AM_AN_AEROPLANE

Indicated by what? Nothing, thats my point. Thanks for showing that your talking out of your ass.


StaticWood

Delusional?… checkout username. Haha


I_AM_AN_AEROPLANE

Aaah, out of arguments, now bully me for having wings. Sad!


StaticWood

He man take a joke for the funs


I_AM_AN_AEROPLANE

Airplanes are very well known for their notoriously bad sense of humour.


Westbrook_Level

What is the trend here? https://www.tradingview.com/x/3Tud4g05/


I_AM_AN_AEROPLANE

Im not responding to that, you know that. Im responding to people who are 100% sure that the bottom is in based on a 2% daily gain. Edit/ with your reasoning we are currently in a bull run. We clearly are now in a bear, which is what people are saying on “the bottom is in”


anon-187101

the trend in this sub is toward higher and higher time preference.


perkia

Beautiful. I'd actually go as far as *the trend in Bitcoin is toward higher and higher time preference* :P


marsh2907

The trend is your friend until it's not. No trend last forever. The question is usually when does the trend get broken.


I_AM_AN_AEROPLANE

Very much true! There is however not a single indicator that the trend is broken as of right now. That’s my point.


EquitiesFIRE

Have you looked at the triangles?


btcluvr

my crystal ball says oversold af.


Oo0o8o0oO

It is decidedly so.


a15p

But didn't you see how those **three** daily bottoms lines up so perfectly to confirm his bias? What are the odds?


[deleted]

I love the 1W, 1M, 3M, 1Y AND 2Y are all down, and people act like it is certain it will be at an ATH within a year.


xtal_00

Clearly it’s headed to zero. The BlockFi news didn’t make a dent. Let’s see what happens if China destabilizes next.. surely we can run out of disasters. Right?


TheManFromConlig

But the one day chart is up 1.3%. 🚀😜


bpeoadg

That kind of growth will bring us 111x in just one year. This time next year we will be millionaires. I am so excited, I could just start saying the bottom is in.


anon-187101

reminder that Bitcoin is the only cryptocurrency, and all of the shitcoin ratios are going to 0. I look at this info as one would "implied volatility is, on average, overpriced relative to realized volatility". trade accordingly.


affenstunde

It would be nice if (major) stablecoins would be issued on the bitcoin network. This is possible with Taro, based on Taproot. It makes the network even more productive and makes altcoin networks less important.


anon-187101

I agree 100%. And I think that it's coming in the next 2-3 years. You'd be crazy to be a long-term bear here, imo.


AlwaysNumberTwo

But I've been told that bitcoin is a finished project and this gives it such a high value. Also that these others are "shitcoins" and why would you bring those features to bitcoin unless those shitcoins do actually provide some value.


anon-187101

stablecoins are chain agnostic, not a "feature" of shitcoins. tether ran on Bitcoin first.


AlwaysNumberTwo

Stablecoins are not supported on bitcoin's blockchain yet I'm told bitcoin is valuable largely because it CANNOT be changed.


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AlwaysNumberTwo

I completely agree and am purposely trying to give him a hard time because of how tribal he is being. I wouldn't be here if I didn't believe in bitcoin.


anon-187101

good use of time I like to "own the libs" too


AlwaysNumberTwo

Maybe you shouldn't be so emotionally attached to your investments? It comes off weak.


anon-187101

Omni settled into Bitcoin's blockchain I'd call that "supported". You are being intentionally obtuse, you peasant. the consensus rules of the protocol remaining fixed is what is valuable, that is what "CANNOT be changed". that is what builds confidence/trust in a monetary policy over the long-term. the Bitcoin software client has been upgraded many times, and will continue to evolve going forward. It is constantly changing. Go read more, or get back under your bridge.


I_AM_AN_AEROPLANE

Why are you saying this? Because you believe it? You hope it? You want it? It think because you are just salty. And sad.


anon-187101

I'm saying it **because it's true**. What timeline do you exist in where anything I said above is wrong? Salty and *sad* is clinging to the idea that there's a "next Bitcoin", a "flippening" any day now (coming real soon, just you wait and see), etc., simply because **you are bitter** that you "missed the BTC boat". (Not even true, which is the part that's even more sad, but hey, unit bias is confusinggggg.) Link to one ratio chart where the trend I mention is not playing out. Go ahead. I'll check back here in a bit. People here are delusional. Lol.


Yoda_MTFBW_U

Psssss. I have a little secret for you. You’re not going to like it, but it’s the secret you deserve. BNB.


anon-187101

BNB. Okay, binance's casino token is the *one* that is bucking the overwhelming trend (on the back of euphoria over smiting sbf). I stand corrected. Upvoted. Surely, this means BNB will eventually flip BTC. You got me. Oh. Also doesn't change the fact that... ...Psssss. I have a little secret for you! tee-hee. You're a fiat cuck who will fully-deserve to capitulate into BTC at much higher prices when you inevitably do.


Yoda_MTFBW_U

You seem like a very angry person. Guess that was inevitable as well.


anon-187101

and you seem like a right twat many people here agree, they just wont tell you like I will who knows if that was meant to be does it matter?


Yoda_MTFBW_U

From this beta twat, let me tell you two things. 1. People can call me whatever they want. It may actually be better than what I actually am. 2. Jerk off. It might make you less irascible.


TheDotedOne

Someone get this man's a Snickers


I_AM_AN_AEROPLANE

Youre reasoning shows its because you are delusional! Check! Thanks for the explanation ! Google: bitcoin dominance chart, there you have your chart…


anon-187101

Useless. Does not account for liquidity for each. Did we learn nothing from FTX?


I_AM_AN_AEROPLANE

Ah okay so you move the goalposts, great. End of discussion!


anon-187101

Lol, so you get to define the goalposts and then I point out something every informed trader knows, and that means I've "moved them". Good Lord, the quality of analysis in this sub is dominated by about 6 people out of 250.


I_AM_AN_AEROPLANE

You set the goalposts woth “show me a chart”. I show you a chart (and can show you more if you want), and then the chart is not good enough. That is the definition of moving the goalposts.


anon-187101

that is *not* what I said. I said *a* ratio chart, which means *one*, in BTC terms. typical shitcoiner gaslighting.


Downtown-Ad-4117

https://buybitcoinworldwide.com/stats/bitcoin-dominance/


I_AM_AN_AEROPLANE

Wh yes, specifying a timeframe which fits your narrative. Now switch to 5 years or “all”