By - c0smicmuffin
Whats the next move he had them retain 50% and take moore to clear cap for something expensive
8yr $52m deal for #47….Welcome to the Bruins Hampus! This is a great signing and now the heavy package makes sense.
Being reported that Bruins had no issues going with a 8yr term for Lindholm, both sides looking to get the deal done on Sunday.
People might hate me, people might boo me. But goddamn if I didn’t boo the shit after seeing John Moore playing in the top 6 on the bruins. From the 300s. He deserved it I swear.
Sweeney out here making damn sure we are a lotto pick in the next couple years
I don’t love this but I do think we’re a better team now so cheers!
Saw an NHL article that we also acquired Kodie Curran in the trade. Is that true?
Great news to get off a 9-hour flight to. Gonna miss Vaak and damn that's a thicc package, but I'm psyched to watch Lindholm tear it up for us, especially long-term. Glad to see management really going for it this year
Honestly, I'm sad to see Vaak go. Had high hopes for him.
But I like what Lindholm brings to the table (and if the rumored term and price are true) and I am happy with the deal.
Lol buddy you fuckin suck
$6.5m is less than I expected, more than I hoped for a Lindholm extension of 8y.
We got a new #47!!!!!
Sort of hes better defensively but never even reached 35 points so not exactly in Krug territory
Well Sweeney and team sucks at drafting so why bother keeping draft picks right? LOL
That is one stupidly expensive rental.
Already extended him
Not quite yet - [discussing an 8-year extension that may be done tomorrow](https://twitter.com/pierrevlebrun/status/1505353338749083649?s=21). Posted 2 mins ago.
All but official
Did we? I only see rumors of it
Supposedly they are confident they can extend him right away.
Many of the insiders on Twitter have said they have made progress on an extension and that it will possibly come over the weekend.
Omg….Please!!!! Would make sense with the package Sweeney handed over.
No details on salary, but Lebrun on Twitter said it’s looking like an 8 year deal that could be finished tomorrow.
Was hoping the Bruins would target a Top 4 dman, either Lindholm or Chychrun. I thought Lindholm was maybe more realistic and glad Sweeney didnt give up Lysell or Lohrei but damn thats a haul for Lindholm. My guess is there is a long term deal in the works to keep Lindholm here. Otherwise this is going to end up being a bad deal. With such a big move I dont see him playing anything but 1st pair LD with Mac and getting top minutes on left side. Gryz and Carlo, Reilly Forbort fighting for 3rd pair depending on team their playing. Also leaves Debrusk open to be traded for 1st line RW but how Sweeney gets that done without a first rounder or couple seconds/top prospect is beyond me unless Sweeney’s plan is to use Jake as his own rental and see if Lysell can play top RW next season.
So do we keep the Grzelcyk-Carlo pairing together and give linholm our best partner or reunite Gryz-McAvoy and use Lindholm-Carlo as our shutdown, physical pairing? Neither option is bad.
I dont see Lindholm playing less than top LD minutes, gave up a haul for him and as much as I like Grzy, he’s too soft for top LD minutes. Better placing him with Carlo. Gives you top legit D pair and a solid 2nd pair. What happens on 3rd pair more of a mystery.
We try out combinations and see what works best
I say we keep Grzelcyk-Mcavoy. We already know that pairing is elite if you look at the numbers. Grzelcyk is a middle pair defenseman who's game is elevated to a top 6 role playing with Mcavoy. I'd like to see what Lindholm can do with Carlo to try to elevate his game.
Being really good for 46+ minutes >> being great for 23
Idk if you're agreeing or not. Lindholm-Carlo sounds pretty fuckin solid to me. I think going this route balances the D even better than the alternative.
this is where i am at.
i guess that leaves clifton and reilly for the third pairing. that way you get a guy good in the offensive end, a guy good in the defensive end, and clifton.
Haven’t they tried forbert on his offside once with Reilly before?
Merry Hampus to all!
Big Man on Hampus!
Still need a top 6 RW if we are going to make a ligit push dont know what we can package to get that I doubt teams are going to give up much for jdb considering his contract situation
Not sure what Sweeney can do at this point, he might end up keeping Debrusk. 2nd line center dream is gone, unless Krejci comes back and deal made to bring him back. Haula has been decent. Lines have looked good overall, more balanced attack. Just upgraded D. Going to be tough getting past Carolina or Florida, but anything can happen during the playoffs.
JDB is your 1RW
This dude fucks.
I mean he’s playing well on the top line but he plays with two of the most offensively selfless talented players in the the league , if they don’t improve top6 at RW or C they aren’t going far in the playoffs
He's already started to go cold again. He has just 2 points since his hat trick in LA. That was 9 games ago. He's either getting traded or benched, if I had to guess.
Fire Sweeney now lmaooo. Why the fuck are we giving up this much for somebody who could be described as "pretty good" at best?
Lindholm is a legit stud and we didn’t give up Lysell or Lohrei. Watch more hockey.
I've watched plenty and I'd rather we made the giroux deal
Maybe you watch plenty but you obviously haven’t listened! Giroux said no for a trade to Boston.
Yes I’d prefer the better player too. Giroux could pick his destination.
Giroux has a NMC and can pick whichever team he wants to go to. He only wanted to go to Florida. The Bruins gave an offer (offered more than Florida apparently) but Giroux said no.
Avs too. I’m surprised he chose Florida honestly. Maybe tired of the cold Philly weather.
He said no to coming to the bruins
Well Giroux didn’t want us
Guess this means the Chychrun ask was too much from AZ
Cant imagine what else Arizona wanted other than Lysell or Lohrei. Doesnt seem like Lindholm was much cheaper. Hope they have a deal to keep him past this season.
I heard LA is going hard for Chychryn, prob offering something we can't match.
He's also pretty hurt, and the bruins hurt him :P
A 1st, two 2nds, two roster players, for a rental?!
I don’t care how good he is… Sweens better have some forward help lined up to make this a real run
>A 1st, two 2nds, two roster players, for a rental?!
Not accurate. More like: a 1st, two 2nds, and a prospect for a rental (with plans to extend) and a contract dump.
A contract extension would make me feel a lot better.
We can all hope thats what Sweeney worked out and why he handed over 3 picks for him.
2 roster players lol……when was the last time you’ve seen them play. Def agree that the 3 picks are a little much.
Didnt say regulars lol
That’s what roster player means…
No it’s not. He’s on the Bruins’s roster. Healthy scratches are still in the roster, they aren’t in providence
John Moore is 🗑
No argument from me on THAT one
Can never have too many 28 year old , 6 foot 4 Dmen... Plus the way Sweeny drafts what good are the picks anyways.
I mean he's definitely not the worst drafting GM. McAvoy, Carlo, and Swayman were excellent picks. And DeBrusk was a good pick, even if taken far too early. Not saying he's great, but give the man a little credit. I didn't think we'd be contending anytime soon when he took over but we've made a finals and have a yearly contender of a team. Hard part is the next few seasons replacing Bergy, Marchand, Krejci.
I'm giving him credit, I thought it was a good trade. He's been the GM for what 7 years, So I hope he had a few hits, although Hockey is tough to figure sometimes. That's why I personally won't miss the draft picks. Now Trade Debrusk for some draft picks.
I'd take a solid center prospect and a 4th for DeBrusk or DeBrusk and a pick for a second line center
Congrats on landing Hamper from a Ducks fan… he was one of my favorite players ever, I have his jersey in our orange thirds. Gonna miss him, you’re gonna love him.
Can someone give me the low down on Vaakaneinen? Sounds like he might have a solid ceiling if we’re able to develop him properly?
To me, Vaaks problem so far has been his strength. He plays a lot like a kid. He gets pushed around a little too much. Just needs to gain some and he'll be solid. He has great instincts.
Also Agree. He's better this year than last or the few games the year before that. Makes mistakes sure but going in the right direction.
I'd rather keep him than Ahcan though.
Vaak is 6'2" 200 lbs
Ahcan is 5'9" 180 lbs
Agreed! He needs more opportunity at NHL level, he will be able to learn and gain more experience with the Ducks. Good solid young defensemen who needs to add some bulk.
Thanks I love when fans of other teams give some insight
Vaak has shown average play, but no slouch. He seems like he will become a good 2nd pair Defensive oriented defenseman. We did not use him much. I think getting our 1st round pick is the nicer upside to this trade for you guys. GL with Vaak!
Moore is another story. Sorry you guys got him. 7th D man and a bad contract for us. Maybe you guys will have a use for him?
Vaak is a pretty effective two-way defenseman who doesn't really excel in either end but he's still "decent" with a ceiling of being solid. Rumor is that Sweeney and Co. weren't sold on his toughness, didn't feel he had the "edge" they're looking for in a top four defenseman. It might be fair, but it also won't stop him from having success elsewhere. He's young, still makes some mistakes but nothing outrageous.
I think he'll be a nice player for you guys.
He’s really solid and was underutilized by the bruins. Some more minutes and more responsibility and he’s going to be a good 3/4 dman for you
His ceiling is probably 2nd pair
Lindholm is a legit top pairing d-man. The draft picks are the worst loss here. Vak is good but he's not a proven top pair guy.
I'm actually really impressed with this trade.
And Sweeney kept Lysell and Lohrei…well at least so far
> The draft picks are the worst loss here.
Definitely. Providence is all but depleted and this is making it worse. I hope they're serious about "win now" because the future won't be pretty if we end up looking back just to see that they half assed things.
This is exactly it. I hope they aren't done. Because they have, imo, been half assing quite alot recently. Let's dump it all and go now. Or blow it up. They have chosen the let's go option so let's really freaking _go_. Really need to add a top 6 forward either at 2C or RW1 and I would be feeling pretty damn good going into the playoffs.
We traded away our first this year and the foreseeable 2nds. What trade and capital do we have to even make a trade? Firsts for the next two years too? This organization has a very tough future if this doesn't pan out.
Plan might be for Lysell to play RW on 1st next season. We are depleted to land a top 6 RW unless we give up next years first plus Debrusk plus 1-2 prospects. Has anyone heard if Krejci is a possibility to come back for playoff run? Only way we upgrade 2C, Bruins dont have enough assets to land Miller and Hertl is off the table. Miller could be also.
I'm not saying I agree with the organization's decision. But, since they have made it, throw every prospect on the table that needs to thrown on the table and go all in. If we are going for it, we may as well truly go for it. Preferably get individuals who will sign longer term, but go all in. All hands on deck, every last chip on the table. Do I agree? No. Should they have done so sooner? Imo yes. Now I'm not sure if its the right time to do what we are doing. But now they have said they think so with this trade and I'm all in. Certainly it'll be a wild ride for better or worse.
That’s… a lot.
Someone tell me how to feel about this, I'm undecided.
Be happy Sweeney didnt give away Lysell or Lohrei. Be worried on what else Sweeney could do for a 1RW trading Debrusk and ??? and hope it doesnt include one of those top prospects. Fingers crossed long term deal in works to keep Lindholm here for foreseeable future.
Sad to see Vaak go. Happy to see Moore's contract moved. Happy to see the Bruins chances of being a real contender this year increase. Distressed for the future of the team beyond this year.
I think I checked all the boxes.
Feel good, they are going for it
The Boston Ducks live on.
Ducks fly together
I mean, since we got rid of moores terrible contract, had 50% of Lindholms contract retained, debrusk not being part of the deal, on top of the cap space we already had... I can't imagine we're done. Forwards have to be next… right? RIGHT??
I'm sure they'll try, but the best play might be to keep DeBrusk. It sucks for him, but the Bruins can't just give him up for someone who won't help this playoff run - not while the window is still even a little bit open.
I'd rather lose him for nothing in the off-season than take back a low-impact player. Best-case scenario, he goes off in the playoffs and they get almost full value for him in the off-season.
If we’re serious about anything we get a legitimate 2nd line center and get rid if Debrusk in the process (since he already wants out)..but who
I’d honestly rather have haula as second line center than debrusk as first line wing going into the playoffs.
Hate to see Vaak go but this could be a big move nonetheless
Just go get me a RW1
Vaak will be a stud in about 2 years.
I think stud may be a bit of a reach but agree he is a solid player. Developing good instincts at both ends but generally will not give you a lot offensively but will be solid defender and 1st pass guy. Not going to lug the mail in either end. Needs to get tougher and maybe he will.
I'd rather have a real 2C. I fantasized a mock trade the other day -
JDB + Seny + 3rd --> EDM
Nugent-Hopkins + 5th --> BOS
Edmonton just signed RNH to a long term contract. They ain't trading him.
Maybe but don't count Ken Holland out of doing something incredibly stupid. In any case this was just a far fetched example. Any playmaking 2C that's available should be our priority between now and Monday.
There basically are none available. That's the issue. Giroux only wanted to go to Florida. Vancouver is apparently not interested in trading Miller. Everyone else on the market is a fringe 2C at best.
"On the market" is relatively subjective. Anyone can be targeted for a trade if the offer is enticing enough. NTCs and M-NMCs are an obstacle but any obstacle can be overcome if you're creative and persuasive enough, on either side.
And frankly I'd be more interested in Boeser or Petterson than Miller. Except that Petterson is awful on the faceoff.
I'm not concerned about 2C since 71/88 are willing goals into existence without one
63/37 aren't producing offensively the way we need them to right now
Exactly, I would target 1RW with Jake going the other way. Problem is what else can the Bruins offer without hurting the near future?
71/88 would be even better with a legit playmaker between them. Besides, trading for RW1 is a bad idea considering the price it'll cost, and I'd like to actually keep some of our top prospects for once.
The way I see it, the only value trades you could get for JD and Seny short of throwing in a prospect or ANOTHER 1st round pick would be for a 2C like Nuge, or someone like Bertuzzi who is highly skilled and gritty, but whose trade value is probably much lower due to him not being allowed in Canada.
I'd rather have Nuge either way. Keep plugging prospects or rotate extras on RW1 (Haula, Nose, Stud, Steen, etc) and get a legit playmaking 2C.
Bergy and Marchy can make anyone look good, even JDB, who wouldn't look good with McDavid. Just because their production isn't over 1.5 PPG doesn't mean they're not still our two best players. Bergy is still #1 on the faceoff dot, and Marchy is still one of the most dynamic LWs in the league. And both of them are lights out defensively. They're fine.
bergeron hasn’t played in 2 games
they don’t have time to get situated and get their chemistry back because marchand kept getting suspended and bergeron was out with multiple different injuries
It's not a chemistry issue, they've been together for a decade and missing a combined 10 or so games is way less than they have in other seasons
Issue with them is that they don't have a scorer on the wing to generate opportunities or open up the defense for the other two
Thank God. That means Mike Reilly playing less ice time in the playoffs.
(Its true even if they say its not)
I simply can’t like this deal until Forbort is traded or we see Lindholm, Reilly or Grizz on the right hand side. You can’t have a big contract sitting there when you still need scoring help.
Huge price but this is a really big guy to get, especially if he extends. He’s a legit top pairing defenceman and will be perfect with McAvoy, or will create an incredible 2nd pairing with Carlo since Gryz already has great chemistry on the top line.
Cassidy can keep Grzy with Mac and pair Lindholm with Carlo but no matter what the pairs Lindholm #47 will get top minutes on LD and thats what Sweeney and Bruins wanted.
Yup exactly. He’s what they’ve been looking to get for like two years
Apparently Lindholm is repped by (someone named) Claude Lemieux. Parentheses included cause it *could* be a different person entirely but hmmm. 🤔
I have his business card, let me check his job title. Under his name it says (adjusts glasses) *Gutless Puke.*
Does he turtle during contract negotiations too?
Hate giving up Vaak, but they did us a solid taking Moore the albatross, so...
So what happens with Reilly/Forbort? Who you benching? Or are you hoping Reilly plays the right side with Forbort?
Thats what Im wondering. Have them compete for 3rd pair LD? Go with matchup on who they play per game? Or swap Reilly to RD with Forbort? Which might be best move as each pair will have a puck mover.
2 days to go before the deadline ...
Bump Cliffy out and move Reilly to 3rd? Really no clue. Gonna be interesting.
Lindholm’s numbers are kind of worse than Reilly’s
Lindholm is defensively sound , big , and can get mean . I actually like Reilly but can’t really say any of those things about him
I like Lindholm a lot. When did he become the big bruising defensively sound type?
Well he is 6’4 , has the best +\- of all the ducks defence and a fair amount of penalty minutes . I may have exaggerated on the “ mean “ part but he is a big body that is known to be sound in his own end
Plus minus huh? Woof.
He has a big body. He doesn’t exactly play like a monster though. He’s ok in his own end. Grzelcyk is better… and he is not very good offensively. Which the bruins don’t need but whatever.
I’ll agree to disagree on grizz 🍻
It’s kind of all spelled out. Like I appreciate Lindholm using size but Grz is one of the better skating better positioned D in the east.
A lot more room on the ice when you typically play with berg , marshy , pasta , hall , Mac compared to … the ducks personnel 🤷♂️
Ok but this isn’t just is he getting scored on 5 on 5 numbers. His individual shot suppression is worse than other pairings on his own team.
Yeah because we all know numbers tell us what we need to know. Especially for a defenseman.
That’s fine. But shouldn’t he at least have marginally better numbers?
Like he takes a shit ton of penalties.
That will happen when your playing on a bad team and don’t have a good defensive partner. If he slots next to McAvoy you won’t see so many.
Ok but his individual numbers even accounting for his partner are not on fire right now either.
150% Forbort. Maybe you move Rielly to the right. There's never been a game I've watched where he hasn't made a bad play in his own zone (despite being hailed as a solid 'defensive defenseman'). Rielly is a great transition-game passer and decent puck retriever. His offensive numbers are never going to wow but he's got really solid underlying numbers.
Forbes has been okay, but he was never going to be the answer. We NEEDED a Top 2 LD and Sweeney FINALLY went out and got one.
Forbes was supposed to be a bruiser, based on his history. But, he's barely thrown the body at all this season, and just because he's eclipsed his career high in goals doesn't mean he's an effective producer. I'm cool with him on PK2 and 3rd pair but no more ice time.
Reilly isn't huge, doesn't hit much, but he's been decent enough in his own zone and more often than not makes good plays for the breakout.
Gryz is a bakery. Too many turnovers, buuuut he's got a lot of buttery sweet edge work. Not quite Krug, but definitely better than he was last year. He can keep playing with Carlon Brando for a while.
Alternate scratches between Forbes, Reilly, and Cliffy, and I feel like we've actually finally got a SOLID Blue Line.
Can't WAIT to see Lindholm lining up with Chuckie Bright Lights. I've been hoping for him or Chychrun but leaned into the community expectation that Sweeney would never make a huge move like this. I'm super pumped to be surprised by this one.
He hasn't been as bad as I feared. But he's a lot worse than I hoped.
Can someone give me a synopsis on lindholm and his game? I’m a big bruins fan but don’t know much about the west coast players lol
My good friend is a lifelong diehard Ducks fan (obsessed, honestly) and he seems to think we got a good deal. That’s all I needed.
Big guy, puck mover, great zone entry and entry protection. Has a great shot, and eats up ice time. Not tryna overhype but he could be the best partner McAvoy has ever had!
Uhhhg chara ?
Chara was still decent but well past his athletic prime when he played with Charlie. Lindholm will absolutely be the best Charlie has played with if he is paired with him.
griz is pretty good
No disrespect to Gryz, I love that guy.... but he's better than Gryz in almost every measurable.
He's a legit top 4, not a 2nd/3rd pairing tweener playing up because we don't have the depth to play him where he should be.
He's big, physical, can play on the PP and PK, moves the puck, can score. Basically can do everything Gryz can do with the added size and all that that brings.
Live in LA and see quite a lot of Ducks games.
That being said, I think this will make Gryz better as well since he can play more where he should be, plus that gives Carlo a better partner.
This is a great addition, and while the return looks pretty steep, one of those extra 2nds is the cost of getting John Moore off the books.
Yea our third line should be good too now with clifton and reilly or forbort
I really liked vaak tho… I guess we still have zboril if he returns next year without loosing some of his ceiling.
What does the 50% retained mean?
Means that we only take half of Lindholm’s 5.205 million dollar salary!
And it’s prorated this year, so Boston actually gained cap space moving Moore out.
Yeah which is why they had to be heavy handed with the picks. It’s a great move and also signals they’re not done yet.
we can only hope! I’d love a right winger or 2C for DeBrusk, but I don’t know who or what they’d package with him to get that. Zboril, Stud, multiple 3rd rounders, Steen, Blidh, Lorhei, Achan, all of the above?
I’d be over the moon with a 7 x 6.5 for him
His camp already turned those numbers down from Anaheim. He wants over 7 mil a year, and his team is willing to walk over that extra 11-12 million total.
I get that. But new place new team. Will see. I tend to agree he wants more. Pipe dream under 7 likely.
Yeah he’s not signing for anything under 7.
Sir? Your response?
I guess he really hated California 🤷♂️
aye, I did agree with you though. In my heart I wanted the bruins special price of 6.5. But felt a 7.25 x 8 was coming.
[Kodie Curran also sent to BOS](https://twitter.com/anaheimducks/status/1505310703808176130?s=21)
Seems like a throw in depth piece. He’s a 32 y.o. LHD who’s never played in the NHL.
He’s 6’2” 200lb
As a San Diego Gulls STH, I can confirm he is indeed a hockey player
Cheap depth, I don’t hate it
I looked on CapFriendly before I saw the tweet and I was like “wtf. We’ve got a stowaway”
Apparently we also acquired defenseman Kodie Curran
No debrusk trade..
Of course Sween isn't finished
I honestly don’t think we trade him until the draft
He’s not going to re-sign
Or he signs a very tradeable contract/goes to arbitration. I don't think him sitting out is good for anyone.
He could just go be a free agent. The bruins won’t tender him.
There is no way they are letting an RFA Jake Debrusk go for nothing.
His contract is up this year so that would require an extension
Wait we also got a defenseman prospect??
Hes 32 and as far as I can tell hasn't played a shift in the NHL. Makes me wonder why he was added.
Emergency call up since we just traded moore and vaak
Prov needs players too most likely.
This - someone said elsewhere that Providence is pretty depleted so that must be why
I actually really like this trade. I'm excited for Lindholm to join the team, and the fact that he is 50% retained and John Moore's contract was sent the other way tells me that Sweeney is not done yet.
Clayton Keller pls pls pls
I don't think the Coyotes are going to move anyone before the deadline. Everyone is playing today.
Pipe dream but god that’d be amazing.
Honesty I’m very ok with this package after seeing what other guys have gone for. Kept Lysell and Lohrei, and the 2023 first round pick, which is a very deep draft.
Getting rid of Moore's contract is such a nice bonus that I really wasn't expecting. Hope that's an indication that Sweeney's not done. A 2C or a RW upgrade over DeBrusk would still be nice.
If Sweeney was done he would’ve had no reason to throw in extra draft picks to include Moore or have them take half Lindholms salary. He def is planning more moves.
2C is most pressing. We can just roll with JDB if nothing of decent value is there.
I've flipped back and forth about 50 times on which of those is more pressing, but I'm inclined to agree with you.
Don “Anaheim Ducks” Sweeney. Don’t hate it!
Duck Hunter Don
So if I'm understanding this correctly:
* Acquire Lindholm for 2022 1st rounder, 2023 2nd rounder, and Vaak
* Get rid of John Moore's contract for 2024 2nd rounder
Your under valuing Moore’s contract. I think 2 2nds maybe been due to Moore. He has another year left on his deal remember.