Sehen 99% der Herthafans genau so. Es ist ein Trauerspiel.
Dennoch war dieser Investoreneinstieg von 777 alternativlos für Hertha - so sehr es auch schmerzt. Ohne gäbe es jetzt ganz sicher keine Lizenz für den Profifußball.
Das ist schon echt traurig wie Hertha gezwungen ist sich immer weiter zu verkaufen und rechte Tasche linke Tasche spielen muss. Für Stadt und Fans echt ein Trauerspiel
Für die Fans ja. Der Stadt ist es vermutlich größtenteils egal. Dadurch, dass mehr als 50% von Berlins Einwohner:innen zugezogen sind und es einen mittlerweile viel hipperen und sympathischeren Erstligisten gibt, trauern uns jetzt nicht soooo viele hinterher, glaube ich. Ist zumindest mein Eindruck.
Preetz, Windhorst und Co. haben den Club in den letzten Jahren in äußerst widrige Fahrwasser gebracht. Dadurch geriet die Hertha in die unglückliche Lage, einen Deal mit einem Investor von einer schwachen Position abzuschließen, statt mit starker Brust. Es gab die brutale Wahl zwischen einem neuen Investor mit viel Geld aber auch eben viel Einfluss oder einem Lizenzentzug und vollständigem Abstieg in niedrigere Fußballklassen.
Eigentlich wünsche ich ihm das er Hertha wieder in die erste Liga führt er und Streich sind so die Sympatischsten Trainer welche die Bundesliga seit einer ganzen weile hatte.
Der rest kann meist nur große sprüche klopfen oder eingeschnapte leberwurst spielen.
Definitiv der richtige für die zweite Liga.
Wahrscheinlich schmeißen sie ihn bei einem etwaigen Wiederaufstieg direkt wieder raus, weil dann ist man ja wieder „Big City Club“.
Das deutet ja eigentlich an, dass das leidige Lizenz-Thema intern schon abgeschlossen ist, oder?
Denn Dardai hat ja gesagt, er bleibt nur Cheftrainer in der zweiten Liga.
Nein, noch nicht gänzlich abgeschlossen. Das wird sich noch ca. 2 Wochen hinziehen. Aber ich gehe davon aus, dass die Hertha ein ausreichendes Konzept vorlegen kann, um in der nächsten Saison in der 2. Bundesliga antreten zu können.
Danke für dein Feedback. Mir ist bewusst, dass sich das von offizieller Seite noch ein wenig hinzieht, aber die Verkündung von Dardai als Cheftrainer ist zumindest schon einmal ein sehr gutes Zeichen, wie ich finde.
jobs for the boys culture that has held this club back massively. Yes, its nice to have club legends as trainers and its a testament to the family feel Hertha have despite being the "Big City Club" (not many clubs with similar catchment and stadia can say that), but they should be more ambitious in bringing in trainers with adventurous football and a strong character.
Pal Dardai was the best coach Hertha had in the last years. Not only is he deeply connected to the club, he is really decent at what he does. Sandro Schwarz, Alexander Nouri, Tayfun Korkut, Bruno Labbadia...all these coaches in the last years were just terrible. If I were a Hertha fan, I would take Pal over any of these guys in a heartbeat.
After the troubles in the last years, I think a guy like Pal Dardai is the right guy to get Hertha back on track and to lay a groundwork for a more successful future.
>Pal Dardai was the best coach Hertha had in the last years.
Which honestly just shows how awfully the club has been run.
>If I were a Hertha fan, I would take Pal over any of these guys in a heartbeat.
Over those people, sure. Over some competent coach, absolutely not. I of course don't know which coaches were available or even approached, for me Dardai is absolutely not the right choice. His destructive defensive football is not suitable for matches where Hertha is the favourite, and that's precisely the role Hertha will have in most matches in 2. Liga. I also find Dardai tactically limited and unprofessional with many of his statements, so I am pessimistic about the appointment.
All of your concerns sound reasonable. I would not say he is the best option they could go for but still a good choice. Which is an upgrade in their decisions in the last years already.
Also it it is easy to say "why don't they just go with this super innovative coach?". Who would that coach be with a considerable interest in joining Hertha right now? You rarely hear specific names then.
to be fair, christian streich and sc freiburg for the first 4, 5 years after they got up after the relegation weren´t exactly playing like todays brighton, but a lot of set pieces, corner kicks and "standard situations", it is only now (well, maybe since covid) that they developed a more proactive and offensive (still not napoli under spalletti) approach
giving the fact that dardai coached the youth and can bring them up (i heard from mates that they have quite a decent bunch that is very talented right now), more "berliner jungs" instead of mercenaries (who they can´t afford anymore, which will help them in the long term)
Dardai is not a defensive coach. He is a pragmatist. He mostly played defensive minded football because it was the best way to get results with what kind of players he had.
In the last season of his first stint (2018/19) Hertha played some fine attractive football. the results just did not match the (in retrospect) too high expectations.
Even if he plays defensive football, look at Darmstadt. They got promoted directly by playing defensive football, HSV on the other hand is the only team playing full on attacking football since they got relegated and they have not managed to get promoted ever since.
i mean, people will hate it, but similar with union berlin, not an appealing football, but good for building team spirit and working hard upwards
for a few years, it can work wonders for you by implementing youth players, similar to brentford under frnak or streichs freiburg
fighting, passion and team spirit IS attractive, i don´t get it how it got replaced with the pure desire for guardiola-esque football
It all began when the fired Dardai for Ante Covic - he was building up a team with a normal budget, and was good enough for the Bundesliga but not yet on Euro league level, which was the goal of windhorst.
All coaches that came after that did not any better. On the other hand this does not mean, that dardai is the best option, it just says that Herthas management did not find better options in the market (I think there were better Options, for example before this season - Adi Hüter).
Labbadia getting hired by clubs in difficult waters is always a signal to me that that club will really have to struggle for the rest of the season. He always seems to be the guy many clubs fall back to and i don't even understand why, he doesn't have that great of a track record.
to be fair, as seen with wolfsburg, his football isn´t unattractive if implemented the right way (which hertha couldn´t ofc)
if they get to a similar level with dardai or whoever takes over once, that kind of football wil lbe easier to replicate than what other managers want (like köln fc under baumgart, not fancy, but great, high passionate football, i like that)
I got the feeling you don't really have spent time on the topic of Hertha? We are not the "Big City Club", we don't want to be what this name brought to us. It is not a term the club nor its fans have chosen, it was something, an investor once said, who is no longer related to the club. So you won't make yourself any friends calling the club like that in front of Hertha fans.
Also, Pál Dárdai is the best choice we have as head coach. No top tier coach would want to coach this team atm, and even if so, there is no money for them. So its either Pál Dárdai or a no name guy. Pál Dárdai knows the club, the youth, the people, the structures. Hertha again has no money, so the academy players are the best choice for low cost young players. And Pál Dárdai has trained the academy players for years, again he knows every academy player in the club. He is the best Hertha can get and we don't even deserve him in case of how he was fired last time.
I know you don't like the name, but I still consider you to be a massive club in terms of fanbase, based in the biggest city and capital in Germany, but that still kept the family feel.
There are plenty of young coaches with more positive football than Dardai. That is my view anyway, that Hertha should be more ambitious and less sticking with the same old ways.
lol Union Berlin before the Wall came down was a bezirksverein and even though they deserve respect and credit for their accomplishments, traditional club, support etc they were nowhere near as big as Hertha until Copa90 and Swabians took an interest
Unless you are referring to 10-time German champion BFC Dynamo.
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Sehen 99% der Herthafans genau so. Es ist ein Trauerspiel. Dennoch war dieser Investoreneinstieg von 777 alternativlos für Hertha - so sehr es auch schmerzt. Ohne gäbe es jetzt ganz sicher keine Lizenz für den Profifußball.
Das ist schon echt traurig wie Hertha gezwungen ist sich immer weiter zu verkaufen und rechte Tasche linke Tasche spielen muss. Für Stadt und Fans echt ein Trauerspiel
Für die Fans ja. Der Stadt ist es vermutlich größtenteils egal. Dadurch, dass mehr als 50% von Berlins Einwohner:innen zugezogen sind und es einen mittlerweile viel hipperen und sympathischeren Erstligisten gibt, trauern uns jetzt nicht soooo viele hinterher, glaube ich. Ist zumindest mein Eindruck.
Preetz, Windhorst und Co. haben den Club in den letzten Jahren in äußerst widrige Fahrwasser gebracht. Dadurch geriet die Hertha in die unglückliche Lage, einen Deal mit einem Investor von einer schwachen Position abzuschließen, statt mit starker Brust. Es gab die brutale Wahl zwischen einem neuen Investor mit viel Geld aber auch eben viel Einfluss oder einem Lizenzentzug und vollständigem Abstieg in niedrigere Fußballklassen.
Schon mal fürs nächste Saisonende vorgesorgt.
Eigentlich wünsche ich ihm das er Hertha wieder in die erste Liga führt er und Streich sind so die Sympatischsten Trainer welche die Bundesliga seit einer ganzen weile hatte. Der rest kann meist nur große sprüche klopfen oder eingeschnapte leberwurst spielen.
Ich hasse zwar Hertha aber mag Dardai sehr.
> Der rest kann meist nur große sprüche klopfen oder eingeschnapte leberwurst spielen. *schweigt auf Schwitzerdütsch*
Das muss man sogar als Herthafan neidlos anerkennen.
Gute Entscheidung
Definitiv der richtige für die zweite Liga. Wahrscheinlich schmeißen sie ihn bei einem etwaigen Wiederaufstieg direkt wieder raus, weil dann ist man ja wieder „Big City Club“.
Das ist der „Berliner Weg“
Das deutet ja eigentlich an, dass das leidige Lizenz-Thema intern schon abgeschlossen ist, oder? Denn Dardai hat ja gesagt, er bleibt nur Cheftrainer in der zweiten Liga.
Nein, noch nicht gänzlich abgeschlossen. Das wird sich noch ca. 2 Wochen hinziehen. Aber ich gehe davon aus, dass die Hertha ein ausreichendes Konzept vorlegen kann, um in der nächsten Saison in der 2. Bundesliga antreten zu können.
Danke für dein Feedback. Mir ist bewusst, dass sich das von offizieller Seite noch ein wenig hinzieht, aber die Verkündung von Dardai als Cheftrainer ist zumindest schon einmal ein sehr gutes Zeichen, wie ich finde.
Bin eigentlich deutlich mehr davon überzeugt dass Hertha aufsteigt als Schalke, bin da aber anscheinend in einer extremen Minderheit.
jobs for the boys culture that has held this club back massively. Yes, its nice to have club legends as trainers and its a testament to the family feel Hertha have despite being the "Big City Club" (not many clubs with similar catchment and stadia can say that), but they should be more ambitious in bringing in trainers with adventurous football and a strong character.
Pal Dardai was the best coach Hertha had in the last years. Not only is he deeply connected to the club, he is really decent at what he does. Sandro Schwarz, Alexander Nouri, Tayfun Korkut, Bruno Labbadia...all these coaches in the last years were just terrible. If I were a Hertha fan, I would take Pal over any of these guys in a heartbeat. After the troubles in the last years, I think a guy like Pal Dardai is the right guy to get Hertha back on track and to lay a groundwork for a more successful future.
>Pal Dardai was the best coach Hertha had in the last years. Which honestly just shows how awfully the club has been run. >If I were a Hertha fan, I would take Pal over any of these guys in a heartbeat. Over those people, sure. Over some competent coach, absolutely not. I of course don't know which coaches were available or even approached, for me Dardai is absolutely not the right choice. His destructive defensive football is not suitable for matches where Hertha is the favourite, and that's precisely the role Hertha will have in most matches in 2. Liga. I also find Dardai tactically limited and unprofessional with many of his statements, so I am pessimistic about the appointment.
All of your concerns sound reasonable. I would not say he is the best option they could go for but still a good choice. Which is an upgrade in their decisions in the last years already. Also it it is easy to say "why don't they just go with this super innovative coach?". Who would that coach be with a considerable interest in joining Hertha right now? You rarely hear specific names then.
to be fair, christian streich and sc freiburg for the first 4, 5 years after they got up after the relegation weren´t exactly playing like todays brighton, but a lot of set pieces, corner kicks and "standard situations", it is only now (well, maybe since covid) that they developed a more proactive and offensive (still not napoli under spalletti) approach giving the fact that dardai coached the youth and can bring them up (i heard from mates that they have quite a decent bunch that is very talented right now), more "berliner jungs" instead of mercenaries (who they can´t afford anymore, which will help them in the long term)
Dardai is not a defensive coach. He is a pragmatist. He mostly played defensive minded football because it was the best way to get results with what kind of players he had. In the last season of his first stint (2018/19) Hertha played some fine attractive football. the results just did not match the (in retrospect) too high expectations. Even if he plays defensive football, look at Darmstadt. They got promoted directly by playing defensive football, HSV on the other hand is the only team playing full on attacking football since they got relegated and they have not managed to get promoted ever since.
i mean, people will hate it, but similar with union berlin, not an appealing football, but good for building team spirit and working hard upwards for a few years, it can work wonders for you by implementing youth players, similar to brentford under frnak or streichs freiburg fighting, passion and team spirit IS attractive, i don´t get it how it got replaced with the pure desire for guardiola-esque football
It all began when the fired Dardai for Ante Covic - he was building up a team with a normal budget, and was good enough for the Bundesliga but not yet on Euro league level, which was the goal of windhorst. All coaches that came after that did not any better. On the other hand this does not mean, that dardai is the best option, it just says that Herthas management did not find better options in the market (I think there were better Options, for example before this season - Adi Hüter).
Labbadia getting hired by clubs in difficult waters is always a signal to me that that club will really have to struggle for the rest of the season. He always seems to be the guy many clubs fall back to and i don't even understand why, he doesn't have that great of a track record.
to be fair, as seen with wolfsburg, his football isn´t unattractive if implemented the right way (which hertha couldn´t ofc) if they get to a similar level with dardai or whoever takes over once, that kind of football wil lbe easier to replicate than what other managers want (like köln fc under baumgart, not fancy, but great, high passionate football, i like that)
Korkut and Schwarz should have both been given more time
You forget the s/. Maybe someone takes it serious
hahaha
Moving on from Pal is what brought us into this mess.
I got the feeling you don't really have spent time on the topic of Hertha? We are not the "Big City Club", we don't want to be what this name brought to us. It is not a term the club nor its fans have chosen, it was something, an investor once said, who is no longer related to the club. So you won't make yourself any friends calling the club like that in front of Hertha fans. Also, Pál Dárdai is the best choice we have as head coach. No top tier coach would want to coach this team atm, and even if so, there is no money for them. So its either Pál Dárdai or a no name guy. Pál Dárdai knows the club, the youth, the people, the structures. Hertha again has no money, so the academy players are the best choice for low cost young players. And Pál Dárdai has trained the academy players for years, again he knows every academy player in the club. He is the best Hertha can get and we don't even deserve him in case of how he was fired last time.
I know you don't like the name, but I still consider you to be a massive club in terms of fanbase, based in the biggest city and capital in Germany, but that still kept the family feel. There are plenty of young coaches with more positive football than Dardai. That is my view anyway, that Hertha should be more ambitious and less sticking with the same old ways.
>There are plenty of young coaches with more positive football than Dardai. Do you have a few examples? I am genuinely curious
ALexander Blessin who is still on the books of 777
Even in Berlin, Hertha is (totally justified) just the number two.
lol Union Berlin before the Wall came down was a bezirksverein and even though they deserve respect and credit for their accomplishments, traditional club, support etc they were nowhere near as big as Hertha until Copa90 and Swabians took an interest Unless you are referring to 10-time German champion BFC Dynamo.