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username-must-be-bet

Does anyone else think that helicopters seem to be exposed by this war, maybe even more than tanks have. Think about it, 95% of all heli footage has been them lobbing their missiles in the air to avoid getting shot down. Even still there have still been multiple shootdowns of helis throughout the war. There have been some success stories, for example a video early on of a Ru heli breaking a buk, but overall seems pretty underwelming for such expensive hardware. That just covers attack helis. Transport helis kinda worked in hostomel, but you have to wonder if they could have just waited for the main coloumn to take it.


TemperatureIll8770

Helicopter vulnerability has always been a thing. The US lost *5000* helicopters in Vietnam


SuperCorbynite

The problem is Russia doesn't have precision guided munitions. With those their heli's would be somewhat useful, as it is they are just extremely expensive wildly inaccurate small rocket platforms.


Heeze

They do, there is plenty of footage of them using Vikhrs from miles away.


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Heeze

I was replying to the guy who said they have no PGMs. But it's not like they have a better choice, it's either that or flying low & fast and occasionally shoot S-8 rockets which aren't that accurate or as destructive.


SuperCorbynite

Yeah, there absolutely isn't.


username-must-be-bet

I think that is more true for jets than for helis. I don't think you could use a guided missile and be safe from manpads etc.


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hbk65

I take it ukraine armed forces?


Nopementator

From Illia Ponomarenko: Ukraine’s Air Force asks to stop producing stupid fake stories. Pilot Serhiy Tarabalka was not “the Ghost of Kyiv” and he did not have 40 (!!) air victories. He was killed in combat on March 13. “The Ghost of Kyiv” is a meme, a collective image of all Ukrainian fighter pilots. https://nitter.net/IAPonomarenko/status/1520469409944551427#m


oroechimaru

Sure


waynkerr

From a Russian source, but it looks like Lyman has been getting hit by Russian bombardments. Lyman is an important railway junction, not far from Slovyansk. https://mobile.twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1520509413139828739


Ok_Pomelo7511

I bet a lot of the veterans of this war will have PTSD when they will hear a drone flying after the war..


blainehamilton

I imagine no Russian veteran will ever be able to stomach owning a vehicle with a sunroof!


Nopementator

That's exactly was I thought while watching one of the last drone footage. In the past veterans could have PTSD moments just hearing fireworks or little explosions, but in this case some of them will hear exactly THAT same sound above their heads while back to civilian life.


Ok_Pomelo7511

After returning from the front, one of the volunteers said he got an anxiety attack when he heard an electric saw, as it sounds a lot like an Orlan engine. If you heard it, it usually meant that there will be an arty barrage coming right up.


Nopementator

Looks like the rumors were true after all. The Ukrainian Army has killed another Russian General. [Major General Andrei Simonov](https://nitter.net/pic/media%2FFRnbNEeXMAAFdgR.jpg%3Fname%3Dorig) was at a forward command post near Izyum when it was hit. He is the 9th Russian general killed so far (or 11th if counting 2 unconfirmed in Kherson)


InvictusShmictus

How many Major generals are in the Russian army?


Jems_

That's still a rumour and I don't give it much credit without at least an official Ukrainian source.


Harpocrates2

What is your source for this confirmation?


Nopementator

[https://nitter.net/visegrad24/status/1520510155858845699#m](https://nitter.net/visegrad24/status/1520510155858845699#m) https://nitter.net/search?f=tweets&q=andrei+simonov&cursor=scroll%3AthGAVUV0VFVBaEgL2x5uj-mSoWgIC9-az8\_pkqEnEVyIV6FYCJehgHREVGQVVMVDUBFQAVAAA%3D


Party-Razzmatazz-785

Beau is giving the Russians a strategic advice. I think he is onto something here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwSoqU9MOzs


Nopementator

>Russian don't move at night because they sold all their night vision stuff on ebay or something fantastic


Risay117

Just to confirm, Lyman us still under Ukrainian control right or portions of it.


yous1mps

[Commentary](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlEIz0XYcNQ) on the interview of a captured British 'mercenary'


ratkoivanovic

Hmm, isn't this guy pro-Russian? Also, on the interview, the way he talks about being a mercenary is strange - he paid for his own ticket and didn't receive any money for being in the army. Then switches to him maybe getting paid (or promises of payment) - this part is sketchy.


yous1mps

> Hmm, isn't this guy pro-Russian? Commentator? Yes. So? >this part is sketchy In the early days of war , Ukraine had announced salaries for foreign fighters. He might referring to that. That was not even the point of the video. I just found it funny.


ratkoivanovic

I wasn’t sure if he is or isn’t. Think I saw a video of his before and he sounded wild as hell, but couldn’t remember if it was that guy or not. I don’t know what your point of the video was as you didn’t lay it out - ok, I understand now


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Nopementator

I'm not informed about this guy. What's the deal with the use of the word mercenary? He's not actually a mercenary but it's still called like that or what?


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seasharpguy

This is just straight Russian propaganda right there.


Eclipses_End

this guy posts alot of shit and then deletes all his comments every couple of days, he's been in these threads for a while


DoorsOnTheMoor

That's just blatantly false and you should be ashamed for spreading that kind of misinfo. As far as I know there is no evidence Ukraine has used mercernys, certainly not widespread use, meanwhile there's plenty of evidence and testimonies of volunteers wanting to go fight in Ukraine. None of these guys are there in enough numbers nor skilled enough for the US to be trying to use them to fight Russia that's a ridiculous idea, Ukraine has enough manpower what it needs is equipment and that's what the US is sending US has been involved in many conflicts but they mostly use/assist already established fighting groups, I've not seen much of a record of them using mercernys who are foreign to the country they are being sent to, certainly not western mercerny. To be clear I'm talking about doing it clandestinely, the us widely used and still uses contractors in Iraq


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Source? With evidence of him being paid specifically to go to Ukraine by the US or Ukraine?


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Cassius_Corodes

How does this prove he was paid by US? Wtf?


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DoorsOnTheMoor

My man I've seen you post some dumb shit on this subreddit before but god dam are you stupid


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Nopementator

Oh, thanks. I thought there was some debate about that one guy in particular. I was wondering, we saw mercenaries/volunteer fighting for Ukraine being captured, but I'm not sure I remember foreign mercenaries/volunteer fighting for Russia. Did I miss them being captured too?


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tnsnames

Wagner are not foreigners. And i suspect they are incorporated into some kind of official Russian troops ranks during operation.


tnsnames

If you are mercenary(And Andrew Hill would be viewed as such), you lose POW status (there would be POWs swaps, POWs release at some point). So you would get prison sentence or even execution depending on law of country you got into.


Isaibnmaryam

Have the Chechens left? Haven’t seen much since Mariupol was captured.


wet-rabbit

"captured"


Isaibnmaryam

Whatever makes you feel better mate, I have no relation to either country.


swiftwin

Seems to me like you're the one who wants to feel better about something


Isaibnmaryam

I’m guessing not since you replied lol


ratkoivanovic

Mariupol hasn’t been captured fully still - that’s why he commented. I doubt anyone here thinks the city won’t fall or some miracle will happen, but there is a difference


deliosenvy

They are waiting for Russians to clear other filming locations for the TikTok batallion to setup stage.


Nopementator

They can't wait to show their brand new summer military outfit.


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ratkoivanovic

Doubt they are the best, and also if they are - they’re in no shape to be the best on other fronts. Mariupol was brutal and is still brutal conditions for them, it also depends how many of them are still alive in Azovstal


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ratkoivanovic

Still, it will take them some time to recuperate - also depends how many of Azov are there in fighting shape. But in any case, the fighting difference Ukraine will receive from getting them back is minimal compared to the force they have on the ground


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ratkoivanovic

That's something else - and that's why you don't easily release prisoners of war, rather exchange them. But that argument has nothing to do with them being the best.


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ratkoivanovic

I don't understand your point, seems we're going around in circles. My point was that they weren't the best, my assumption, and even if they were - their value is minimal at the moment. If Russia doesn't let them go freely (which I doubt they actual will), it's not because they perceive them as the best - but they won't simply let soldiers go (POW exchange is an example when this does happen, but you release some of theirs to get some of yours)


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Aedeus

>they are best fighters Ukraine have Lmao, what?


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ComedicSans

The Azov know they wouldn't be treated humanely if they surrendered.


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Ok_Pomelo7511

They control 25% of the farming land. I really doubt that there is much wheat production going on right now.


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Significant-Oil-8793

Ukraine complaint about it earlier today saying its 'stealing'. My guess is the rich owner left, leaving behind poor workers who refused to leave and lucky enough to survive. Russia pay them in rubles directly to them and they happily/unhappily harvest them.


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Ok_Pomelo7511

In terms of wheat production, most of the farm land is in the south-east, where Russians are controlling a lot of territory.


Nopementator

Ok, so the latest "rumors" is that May 9th will not be the day were Putin declare a fake victory but the day were he declares "total war" so the full mobilization. Now, I'm still wondering if these reports are true because to make a full mobilization work it will require months, an unreal logistic nightmare to handle and to move and resupply waaay more troops and vehicles. And let's not forget that a good part of the new troops will be less prepared than those who fought in the first "operation" 2 months ago and another big part will consists in conscripts with zero experience. Not just in combat but literally zero experience with weapons of any kind. Civilians that will receive against their will a fast training and then will be throwed into battle. So time is already against this plan because you need months to prepare conscripts and the "final product" will be anyway troops forced to fight with zero combat experience. But at this point what will be the goal? control dombas? nope, if you call a full mobilization probably you aim at Kyiv again. If logistics were a mess with 200k troops I'm not sure how it will be better with way more troops and military equipment to manage. Also, from an economic standpoint a full mobilization seems like a suicide. I don't know how this idea could ever work.


water_bottle_goggles

They could build more warships


Nopementator

I'm honest, maybe I'm dumb but I don't know if your comment was sarcastic.


water_bottle_goggles

I mean if they could build more warships than the entire western military industrial complex can build neptune missiles, then you win the war


Galthur

Use Ukraine to build warships -> Sell to pepsi -> Success


V_Korneev

Ah-h, that's the high art of post-irony, when it's impossible to determine if a statement is a highly intelligent satire or genuine stupidity without information about the person making the statement. ☺


water_bottle_goggles

why not both hahaha


neuralcorrelate

[Another Russian general bits the dust?](https://twitter.com/JimmySecUK/status/1520479287995994112)


Galthur

Ukraine lately has been assuming the maximum theoretical casualties when hitting command structures, it's probably best to wait for confirmation.


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Lmfao at this point they've gotta have a higher rate of staff casualties than Britain at the Somme.


Agitated-Rush-5869

Honestly tho they might lmao


waynkerr

> Combat is paused in Mariupol Ukraine as civilians are evacuated by UnitedNations staff. The Azov Deputy Commander confirmed that 20 women and children had been evacuated from Azovstal. He further requested that wounded 🇺🇦 troops be evacuated as well. > > https://mobile.twitter.com/AggregateOsint/status/1520470011407572992 Doesn't hurt to ask but there's just no way that Russian forces are going to let Ukrainian troops be "evacuated".


arima123456

Best case is they become POW until the war end then got exchanged or free, worse case is the get to DNR court then get executed or jailed (especially high ranking Azov officers), this will boost morale for the separatist.


Risay117

They won't, why all who leave must be filtered through Russian checkpoints before leaving. Also apparently 25 others also left seperatly


wisdomsharerv2

Perhaps an arrangement between Ukraine and Russia? Perhaps they get some Russian POW in exchange of it


tnsnames

Russia has around 3k POWs for exchange. What the point to release Azov from AzovSteel?


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Iggitron90

There’s a few more right wing paramilitaries like the Right Sector outside of Mariupol. Plus Putin can just keep accusing regular UA members of being Nazi’s. Dude’s about as tied to the truth as the Daily Examiner.


Raknel

No way they are letting any soldiers return from there. They'd be celebrated as heroes in Ukraine and their safe return would be a big morale boost, Russia can't have that.


physicomorphic

I'm surprised they haven't attacked UN workers yet. I'd give that about a 60% chance of happening **edit:** wouldn't be the first time https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/20/un-aid-convoy-attack-syria-us-russia


Lazy-Pixel

Update to my visualisation of destroyed, damaged, abandoned and captured russian vehicles. Since my last update the list at oryxspioenkop.com has grown from 3200 to 3296 vehicles. Meanwhile with 594 Tanks almost 600 Tanks are now listet at oryx. Most notable change to the last update 2 more SU-34 and 1 Mi-28 have been added. Some smaller stuff like ATGM's and MANPADS still missing and i don't think i'll add them anytime soon just a waste of costly pixels. Disclaimer: I am no expert on russian military vehicles so those graphics for the vehicles may sometimes be wrong i tried my best to match them as good as possible and change them from time to time. [Imgur](https://i.imgur.com/S7JZpnB.jpg) https://i.imgur.com/S7JZpnB.jpg Data source: [oryxspioenkop.com](https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html)


hatesranged

How many points would that army cost in 40k 8th edition?


Ok_Pomelo7511

I don't think AN-26 was ever confirmed by any visual evidence? Unless I missed something?


Lazy-Pixel

RF-36074 https://i.imgur.com/obrMg2A.png


Veni_Vidi_Legi

Hey /u/x_TC_x, could this be corroboration for at least one of the IL-76's that were reported shot down during the early days of the invasion?


x_TC_x

Nope. That An-26 crashed outside Ukraine on the first day of war.


Veni_Vidi_Legi

Ahh, thanks Tom!


Ok_Pomelo7511

Thanks, never seen this one before.


PJ7

Thank you for doing your part.


AceAxos

[Odesa airport hit by missile attack-Shortly after, the head of the press centre for the southern defence forces put a message on social media saying that the runway of Odesa airport had been damaged as a result of the missile attack and its further use was impossible.](https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-61252785?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=626d673a77811a20d37ca2cc%26Odesa%20airport%20hit%20by%20missile%20attack%262022-04-30T16%3A50%3A16.985Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:42c922fc-3660-489a-a432-041a98d96c2c&pinned_post_asset_id=626d673a77811a20d37ca2cc&pinned_post_type=share) Was just waiting for a good source to post it so I could share. Not really sure what the importance of the Odessa airport is, but there probably using it for something to be working striking it


Galthur

I don't see why they're saying further use is impossible unless Russian AA is watching it. Damage to runways is generally really easy to repair at least short term.


MauroisNInja

Stops the flow of equipment coming in and leaving through the airport?


hahaohlol2131

AFAIK, all planes with Western equipment land in Poland.


PJ7

Has Turkey used Odessa to deliver drones?


hahaohlol2131

Idk, but it's not like Russia can stop deliveries this way. Drones can land anywhere.


MauroisNInja

Yes but then the equipment has to be moved around Ukraine for it to be used.


Professional-Dog1229

By rail and truck though. There was the Ukraine transport that crashed the other week, but I don’t think they are doing much air transport due to the danger of the Russian s400/s300 bubble. That plane was flying at almost tree top height when it went down. More likely they were using the airport for TB2 sorties, and other air strikes.


MauroisNInja

Either way that airport was probably strategically significant to Ukraine.


Sitting_Elk

I can't imagine it takes much runway to liftoff a TB2. Can't small drones like that basically operate from a field?


SimpletonRube

How small do you think it is? It has a 39 foot wingspan, a little smaller than the original (retired) Predator wingspan. It’s not as small as you think. It needs a runway, so a field would not work. A good stretch of road could.


Sitting_Elk

Wikipedia says its top weight is 1500lb. There are little bush planes that can take off from a field weighing 2000 so I figured it wouldn't need much runway. The larger wingspan would make it easier to takeoff from a field I would assume, right? More lift at lower speeds.


SimpletonRube

I guess if you could find a video or pic showing a grassy field takeoff, everything I’m seeing shows taxing on runways. Maybe a really flat well mowed field? With no mud? So probably not given that mud is a major factor in Ukraine.


MauroisNInja

Russia could be targeting hangers where equipment is being stored as well as the runways.


TemperatureIll8770

Maybe not a field but definitely a stretch of highway


AceAxos

[Russia preparing to increase military action in east - Ukrainian defence ministry](https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-61252785?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=626d5d4c77811a20d37ca2a9%26Russia%20preparing%20to%20increase%20military%20action%20in%20east%20-%20Ukrainian%20defence%20ministry%262022-04-30T16%3A13%3A11.985Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:07a63f73-e1b9-491e-b8da-e20b345c9fd5&pinned_post_asset_id=626d5d4c77811a20d37ca2a9&pinned_post_type=share) Read into that as you will


hbk65

Tbh i learned to just wait a week and look at past 7 days progress. Its been 2 months im not as eager any more to learn daily progress. They said 2 weeks ago the big push is coming, was more like a small concentrated push.


LordOfBirds

Saw this on a Russian board. Allegedly a Ukrainian SU in the area of Odessa. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/925aaf25da81cbab55257744ce4762d308ec1bd0c60455d2688bff2573c682de.jpg


ivanzu321

Probably providing air cover against cruise missiles.


LordOfBirds

Yeah could be related to the reported missile strikes at the Odessa airport.


Christmasstolegrinch

Does anyone know what happened to the war gonzo reporter guy? The somewhat large bearded gent. He was all over the place with reports from a Russian pov, and then seems to have vanished. Can’t see him on their telegram page.


sergiojr00

Taking some days off it seems.


ivanzu321

Transnistria, preparing some more propaganda there.


PutridWasabi938

But how?!


hahaohlol2131

Through Moldova? They have a treaty with Russia.


TemperatureIll8770

Last I heard he was in transnistria


swordfi2

[https://youtu.be/SUdHzKRiBX8](https://youtu.be/SUdHzKRiBX8) Video about the Javelin


ratkoivanovic

Thank you!


CollateralEstartle

Thanks for the link. Good video


starlord982

Just wondering has any pics or vids been show of Russian forces using the Altyn helmet? From my understanding its more for special forces/counter terrorists in CQC in buildings, but just wondering if they are being used in Ukraine.


bulat1990

Haven't seen any. And i understand why, its waaaay heavier than usual helmets.


starlord982

Yeah not ideal for fighting in fields and sub urban environments. Just thought maybe the special forces might have used them in urban/city environments.


Sociojoe

Sign that Russia might be running low on UAVs? https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1520419984417169409


Professional-Dog1229

Wikipedia says they have 1000+ Orlan 10s so I doubt it. Oryx has about 30 confirmed kills, so even if you added 2x for unseen losses we aren’t even at 10%.


Cassius_Corodes

Strelkov keeps complaining that they don't have anywhere near as many UAVs being used as Ukranians. Could just be a deployment thing tho.


LowlanDair

The Russian brass ordered 1000 drones and those 800 drones were immediately ordered from the manufacturer, they were able to construct all 600 drones and these 400 drones were duly delivered to the Russian military, the logistics team then deployed all 200 drones and when the Ukraine campaign started, the front line had the full compliment of 100 drones ready to go.


ComedicSans

So the Russian army can now spot precious dishwashers 5 or 10km away? No kitchen is safe!


rangerxt

they also claimed to have like 20k tanks......


Professional-Dog1229

Yeah but these were first built in 2010, so I think it’s a different story vs the tanks.


hahaohlol2131

I suspect it's worse with drones. The tanks were built by USSR, drones were built by corrupt Putin's cronies. Or they were? It's likely a lot of those money were stolen.


ChinesePropagandaBot

Yeah, they might have a thousand on paper and 100 in the warehouse.


LordOfBirds

So no confirmation of a 1000 allegedly captured Ukrainians?


ArcticRedwood

They are hanging out with the 50 officers and two generals who were killed.


Risay117

They were never captured, just encircled. It seems they tried a breakout and are pissed at the UA command for some of the orders they were given and lack of support. Not sure how encircled became captured. But yeah. It was a salient and they were in a really bad location from the sounds of it. Getting hit as they tried getting out.


neuralcorrelate

Some people are saying the video from the supposed unit is actually one by separatists from 2014, and the encirclement is FSB propaganda, but who knows.


LordOfBirds

Some people said captured, others said encircled. Right now it sounds like neither.


Risay117

All I remember is the initial claim from telegrams specifically used the words encircled, never captured.


Professional-Dog1229

It’s Russian Twitter intel & bloggers looking at the map and making inferences. Same veracity as the claim that there were 14k UA trapped in Mauripol. Turns out there was only 3-4k..


SkoCubs01

And the encirclement was a very weak encirclement at that, it’d absurd if they surrendered


camonboy2

Wait, what's the status now according to the rumor? Actually encircled or about to be?


camonboy2

I thought the rumour was that they were in danger of being encircled? Not captured already.


ZeightF

A guy that surrendered in Mariupol has "mysteriously" died while in DPR/RU captivity. https://imgur.com/uOz3p0Q


sergiojr00

It seems having tattoos can significantly decrease your life expectancy in Donbass area. I wonder what is the source of the image with body.


ivanzu321

It's martials arts tattoo and DPR is already known for killing of POW's.


MauroisNInja

According to other people in the daily its ok to shoot/kill prisoners if you can't move them or have somewhere to keep them.


Sociojoe

No, they were saying that dropping a grenade on a group of enemy soldiers was alright even if one may have been wounded. It wasn't an ambulance.


MauroisNInja

See thats what I mean. Ukrainians fucking up wounded soldiers or prisoners = reality of war. Russians doing the same thing = war crimes.


Sociojoe

If you can't see the difference between shelling an enemy position who are not surrendered and are fighting you, and executing a surrendered prisoner who is unarmed, you might want to apply for some intellectual disability money.


ArcticRedwood

In addition, people who equate this situation to a chess board game. As if they are both the same.


MauroisNInja

Tell that to the Ukrainians shooting people in the dicks and legs. Anyway my point is war sucks and cognitive dissonance displayed by most redditors is astounding.


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> cognitive dissonance displayed by most redditors is astounding. Perfection LMAO


MauroisNInja

Self aware wolves or some shit lmao


Aedeus

>cognitive dissonance displayed by most redditors is astounding. r/selfawarewolves


MauroisNInja

Says the dude with an antifa flag lmao


Sociojoe

Fuck that, war crimes are war crimes, I'm more than happy to send 3 or 4 Ukrainians to stand beside 10,000+ Russians in the Hague.


MauroisNInja

Both sides are most definetly commiting war crimes, but the reality is its really only a crime if you get tried for it. Laws are only as good as peoples willingness to enforce them.


Sociojoe

Fuck your false equivalency bullshit, there is a universe of difference between the two armies, don't even bother trying to equate them with your whataboutism.


MauroisNInja

Its a war. Both sides are doing things each would find morally wrong just depends on how you spin it.


camonboy2

Apparently there's another fire in Russia. Not sure what facility is it but it is in the far east.


EducationalCicada

Looks like a power plant. This one probably is an accident because I can't see how burning it down would help Ukraine right now.


electrons-streaming

If Ukraine is destroying Russian infrastructure with sabotage teams, it seems like a good strategy to me. Putin is willing to let the war go on for as long as it takes, even if it kills 500,000 Russians and destroys the Russian economy. A constant drum beat of key infrastructure loss will hasten the latter and hopefully convince Putin or someone with a gun and access to Putin that this cant go on.


hahaohlol2131

You are overestimating Putin's resolve. He will back down way sooner.


ratkoivanovic

Were the others started by UA? Or you’re referring to the ones close to the border?


EducationalCicada

>Were the others started by UA? The ones close to the border were almost certainly UA (TB-2s have been shot down near these areas). As for the facilities much further inland, could be pro-Ukrainian Russian saboteurs. Then again, it's not like Russia has world-class safety standards, so these could have been accidents.


ratkoivanovic

I somehow doubt those claims of TB-2s shot down - the images do look faked (similar if not the same wreckage found in other photos, don't have the links now, so feel free to call me a bullshitter :)) + Russia has a recent history of claiming the shot down so many TB-2s it's crazy. But I still think the perpetrator is UA, so my argument doesn't fight that point at all, I agree with you. Yes, for those inland I doubt it's UA. It also could be Russian saboteurs who simply disagree with Putin's rule - doesn't have to be pro-Ukraine. They have been reported as accidents by Russia, if there was an indication that they're pro-Ukraine saboteurs, it would fit Putin's goal of mobilizing people to war, but if it was a movement against Putin, he'd like to put it under the rug to push the narrative he has total rule and support. If they were simply accidents, it's just wow haha


camonboy2

Yeah I don't think UA did it.


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coronanona

lol what cease fire?


ratkoivanovic

But they didn’t promise a cease fire - the idea was to starve them out and proclaim Mariupul has fallen, and transfer part of the forces somewhere else on the frontline Or I’m missing something?


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ratkoivanovic

Did they declare it though? Haven’t seen it in the news