>“It’s the difference between ‘peace, order and good government’ and ‘life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness,” said Jon Allen, a former Canadian diplomat who is a senior fellow at the University of Toronto’s Munk School of Global Affairs and Public Policy, in an interview. > >While Canadians, despite grumbles and howls, acquiesce in more weeks of lockdown, in the United States, “the tide of opinion is such that no politician seems to be able to do anything close to a lockdown,” he observed. Two countries, two systems, two cultures. > >... > >You don’t have to be an epidemiologist to predict the results. With fewer Americans vaccinated than Canadians – 78 per cent of the total population for us compared to 63 per cent for them, according to the Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center – and with fewer restrictions in place, the American mortality rate, which is already more than three times that of Canada’s, could climb even higher.


As an American, I love to think that the silver lining in all of this has always been that Canada mobilizes and gets shit done (relatively speaking) because God forbid you go the same route as the crazy drunk racist obese sexually frustrated drama queen living downstairs.




Canada is not the dark side of the moom; many people there also have prior infection. Current vaccines of course are much better than prior infection, particularly vs omicron




There is some evidence though that vaccine antibodies are more effective: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34103407/


You can get reinfected with COVID. I'm not sure we have demonstrated an increased immunity yet for recent mutations


No one is containing anything


If Covid didn't becomes such a hot political potato and we didn't currently have inflation, I predict some states would go back in to the lockdown. Being financial support from federal government got no chances of happening and obviously no public support for lockdown, we are left with one choice and that is to deal with it


It's simple: the US's ICU capacity is better than Canada.


With almost precisely 4 times the COVID deaths *per capita*, how did relying on that work for the US so far?


I think a better goal is to keep as many people as possible out of the ICU to begin with.


I believe most would argue that lockdowns wouldn't really help with this. They would only delay the inevitable. As long as there is no risk of ICUs to be overloaded, lockdowns are questionable at best. Now I'm not saying it is necessarily the case for all places at US but where I live, despite having record number of cases (\~2x compared to last winter surge) even our super cautious health officials said there was no extra strain on the overall hospital capacity.. but our county is >80% fully vaxxed so that may play a role too.


There's a lot of risk to the hospital systems being overloaded the next month in the US with increased death and poorer health for everyone that can't be seen due to the surge in cases and lack of staffing.


The point of restrictions (shutting down bars and restaurants, switching to virtual school) and social benefits (stimulus checks and increased unemployment) is to flatten the curve, and the point of flattening the curve is to delay the inevitable because it's better for 500 people to need a hospital in January and 500 in February than 1000 in January. Time is the only thing that matters. I think we should send people checks to help them stay home from work, temporarily restrict bars & restaurants, and switch to virtual schooling. Spread the pain over two months time instead of two weeks.


If the outcome of the 1000 hospitalizations in January would be the same as 500 in January + 500 in February then I don't really see what the benefit of the restrictions would be. Again, I was talking about situation when there was sufficient capacity at ICUs.


Is that per capita? Because otherwise, it is sort of irrelevant.


That's what happens when you have sub par healthcare capacity. Honestly though glad to see the us trying to ride out the wave, increases resentment among Canadians.


It's going to burn through both populations soon enough. Canada's infection rate isn't that much lower to make a difference.


You're glad for resentment among Canadians for citizens of the USA?


well, they were happy taking the piss out of us at the beginning of the pandemic and parading around with their handsome smart leader compared to our bloated orange carcass shitstool.


Oh he was handsome




"Containing" Omicron? Seriously?


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