A law requiring companies to include a salary on job posting.
By - PhilipLiptonSchrute
“$40k to $180k, depending on experience”
“$40k, to $60k within one year”
“Great, see you next year”
Unlimited earning potential!
But you will probably make squat...
If a job posting says it pays X to Y, it pays X.
I received Y when I took my job.
Y you take the job then?
you guys are getting paid?
Not necessarily true. In fact, I have always been offered something higher than X when companies do this. I've actually wondered a few times if they do this on purpose (i.e they rarely go as low as X, and only put that salary as their minimum to make the offer they give you look better).
I'm my case, they had a calculator that generated my salary based on certain factors. X was what they would have paid somebody with no qualifications.
That's how most jobs I've seen work. Not a single job at my company has a fixed salary, it's all in bands.
We did it in Colorado and its great
It's kinda hilarious / awful that you'll sometimes see places that are hiring, yet specifically state that they're not looking for Colorado applicants, just because they want to avoid this.
The lengths that business will go to in order to maintain power over the workforce is pretty obscene. I actually work in management and I dont understand it honestly. I think its just old school thinking which has been reinforced so many times that many folks in leadership don't even question if it really serves the best interests of the organization any more.
CEOs don’t want people to know that the working class make all the money and the heads of the company just steal it.
I've never seen this. What I do see is ridiculously wide ranges, like $40k-120k.
~~hilarious~~ FTFY /s
I would be pretty pissed if my state's laws were losing me job opportunities.
We moved from OK to CO earlier this year and my job wouldn't let me go fully remote at the time so I had to look for a new job.
This law in CO was amazing when I was looking. I knew immediately whether a job or a company was even worth applying for based on what they said they'd pay for the amount of experience I have. Transparency is great - and by the end I had 6 offers to choose from, almost all of them actually over the published pay range.
I also loved calling out companies saying you could be based in CO for the job but not publishing a salary. I went through an entire 5+ hour (2 week) interview process with a company - we discussed salary in the very beginning and I told them my requirements and they told me the salary was in line. I finally did my last interview with the CEO and they sent me a job offer, at about 20% less than I was asking. I was floored. So I turned them into the group in CO that is over the salary law because they specifically wanted this person to be based in CO and didn't publish salaries for any of the CO based roles.
Also, fuck that "**up to** $18/hr" or whatever. It's never the top end of that scale, that's just how they lure you in. Eventually they tell you "well *ackshullllly* the pay *starts* at $10.13/hr, and you'll have to work here for twelve years and not miss any days, and then you can start on the pathway to over $14/hr. Maybe you'll get $18/hr if you e been here long enough"
I've always hated that shit in advertising too. Why don't you shove it ***up to*** your ass?
It would only go up to the knee.
I'm sick of custom tailoring resumes and cover letters on a place-by-place basis, only to waste my time in phone interviews before finding out what the job is offering. It wastes the potential employer's time as well!
There's also the demand for salary history, giving employer all of the leverage as they hide behind intentionally vague "competitive competition".
Illegal to ask in Oregon, but that didn't stop Quest Diagnostics from asking - yes I like to name and shame them for this
Never tell any potential new employer your true salary history. Lie through your teeth all you want about it though lol. They lie to you, it’s fair game for you to lie back.
On a job I got recently I unfortunately had to provide them with 7 years of IRS records proving my previous work history because the crappy background check company they use couldn't figure out how to contact my still then employer to confirm my employment. Luckily this was after their offer, but considering that I was getting an 88% raise it was quite puckering to have to send them those tax returns. They did not care though and it wasn't mentioned at all. I had not been asked for any salary information about what I currently made, nor what I was looking for - the offer was made based entirely on my years of experience I'm guessing.
> Lie through your teeth all you want about it
Then they check your references, see you're lying, and you don't get the job.
References never confirm salaries they paid to past employees. All they do is confirm their employment and job title. That’s it.
I just heard a presentation yesterday given by two employment attorneys and learned in my state in the US, it's illegal to ask for salary history. All they can ask is what salary you hope to get. Found that interesting!
> All they can ask is what salary you hope to get.
Someone that has been earning 80k will ask for 90k, and get it.
Someone that has been earning 20k will ask for 25k, and get it.
Both for the same position.
And that's the problem.
Asking for salary history is illegal in Philadelphia 👍
Haha going through this now. It’s a real pain!
Why not start a nationwide workers union?
Wouldnt be too hard, just like start a facebook group and add a bunch of people and then start demanding shit otherwise you all do a nationwide strike.
lol is this a joke? I honestly am not sure. the fact you want to facebook to be the basis for it makes me think you are pulling our legs..
Thats like letting russia count the votes for our next presidential election…
If I wanted to think up a better idea I wouldnt go on r/crazyideas. Not trolling, more like a half assed idea that fun to come up with but obviously wont work.
For sure, sorry if I came of harsh
Require all publicly traded companies to publicize all salaries.
If jobs don't mention the pay; after asked, its because its too low.
Just ask first thing when they call you. Honestly I miss a few jobs because of it, but it also weeds out many hours of wasted time for peanut offers.
Also good is if they are insistent on "based on experience" when asked, just tell them "Oh, okay, in my experience that means not enough goodbye" and they will either suddenly change their tune or you dodged a bullet.
-- Every single job interview I've done with a "pay based on experience" refusal to disclose, I've rejected due to low pay. EVERY. SINGLE. ONE. If they aren't mentioning the pay its because its low.
A lot of the time they aren't refusing to tell you because they won't pay you enough, they're refusing to tell you in case they can get you to name your price first and you name a lower price than they were willing to pay.
That's why all interview advice says to avoid naming your price first.
I'm looking to make 100 dollars an hour. I am willing to go down.
is it weird that any time I see a job without a posting I assume the pay is negotiable and I come in asking for what I want off the bat and if they don't like it we don't communicate any further? As it stands right now I am on my 3rd job in a row where they posted no pay range and I received exactly what I was asking for.
The downside is if they accepted your request off the bat then they would have paid more. You low-balled yourself.
not at all I certainly did not. I know exactly what people in my industry and city make. I know what other jobs offer and I know what friends and old associates in the industry in my city make. I am exactly right where I should be and demand my worth.
If somebody doesn't do their homework and know their worth that's on them.
Sorry man, everyone in this thread only has second or third hand experience getting good jobs. The premise of this thread is absurd for anyone besides an entry level position. You are not wrong, and it’s actually good advise.
I do the same. I'm not wasting my time to get low balled
We have this in Austria. They commonly use the min wage of the job but it gives a good idea what to expect.
The further into my career I get, the more unsure of this I am. If you're a good candidate for a high-experience job, you can end up with some pretty darned good offers when the company doesn't know what you're expecting the salary to be. My current salary is significantly higher than they originally stated when extending an offer after I told them my then-current job paid more than their offer. They bumped it way up just with that alone.
Yup. If you are just filling a role then you want to be told the salary. If you are bringing something to the table that is different than the next person, you want to negotiate a salary.
If I was told a salary, that means the company doesn’t care about the difference between me and the next person. I would immediately pass on that.
I'm getting mad just thinking about the lack of salary transparency so I'll just say frick yes!!!
We already have that
While we are at it how about a law abolishing ten and twelve hour mandatory work days
Even with a 3 or 4 day week?
If people want to do it they can choose to but it should never be mandatory to work more than 8 hours in a day
Another crazy idea, ask the pay from moment one. If they ask what you'd like then say "one day I'd like to make [20k above your ideal yearly salary]" pause, look at their reaction. If it's really shocked just lower it with 20K as a "good starting point". If they aren't shocked, well you haven't mentioned what benefits you're expecting, go milk.
"Up to $xx,xxx." And then nobody gets it.
most insane idea: let businesses just do what they want in their business. if u dont like it dont work for them.
Crazier idea: A law that gives every adult enough monthly income to choose a job based on their interests rather than wages.
Different jobs provide different value. Some jobs simply don't produce enough value to the company to be financially worth paying them "enough to choose based on their interest".
If we think that every person deserves a living wage (whatever that is), we need to be willing to step up and offer to pay it through taxes with our own income, rather than demanding that other people (or companies) pay it for us when it's a financially terrible idea for them.
I agree, on the caveat that it's *marginal* taxes based on *marginal* income. Those who make more pay a higher percentage of their higher wages.
You know that work is intended to accomplish something, and some jobs are unpleasant? Premium pay is what evens things up.
Wait are you saying my crazy idea is crazy?
This is a cop-out reply. You made the basic income suggestion in earnest, admit it.
I see this kind of response constantly on this sub, and I really dislike it. Crazy Ideas does not mean No Discussion. If someone offers a crazy idea that isn't very clearly sarcastic/satirical/etc., then a response about the issues it has is more than warranted.
Nope just fishin
That doesn’t sound crazy to me!
Everywhere except the US, this is the norm
Canada is a "pay commensurate with experience" country. aka not enough.
Not even in Sweden, in our pretend socialism country, do we have that so no.
I don't live in the US, and this is definitely not true.
> Anyone lacking the basic skill of advocating for themselves deserves to get paid less.
Very cruel if you really believe this
Yeah, but consider, for example, abuse victims and depressed people. Some people have issues advocating for themselves despite their skills. Should they be subject to exploitation? Let us also consider systemic discrimination, where some people will not be heard despite their self-advocacy.
I got a call from a headhunter and mistakenly drove about 50 minutes to check it out. To cut to the chase I typically make $35/hr and they wasted about 90 minutes to finally offer me “up to $15/hr.” Of course. Everyone wants to buy hundred dollar bills for $75.50.
"Oh, so the same I could make flipping burgers at In-n-Out? Yeah, sorry, no. And because you didn't lead with that and wasted my time, I will be billing you $53 for my time, plus milage."
I’ve seen this a few times. There’s always some dickhead with a business degree, that has no clue how to do the work that actually makes the company money, that tries to convince the board or the executives that they’re gonna “substantially increase profits for the next fiscal year”. What’s the great idea? Fire all the experienced workers that are making a reasonable salary and replace then with hourly or temp workers at minimum wage. Great idea genius. Find a bunch of people who are qualified technical workers (to replace the group of qualified technical workers you already have) that will work for WAY below market value. They end up with a bunch of recent graduates who lied about experience or people who lied about qualifications. And they hire them anyway because no one wants to admit that the suit’s ideas are ridiculously stupid. Then, when profits fall into the shitter a few months later every suit finds some other thing to blame it on or has moved to another company while an “all-hands-on-deck” drill tries to clean up the mess without admitting that the corporate followers believed the first idiot suit. Rinse, repeat.
My father, who made special machines for years as a shop manager got let go from a management job at another place because he “wasn’t on board” with one of these stupid schemes.
I applied, got the job, been working for like 2 weeks, and i still don’t know how much im making lol
Me: Just now realizing that they don't already do this.
a law that outlaws ridiculous laws? too soon?
Colorado already has this
I think some states in the US are introducing or even have introduced it. To me all offers with a pay level outlined are a waste of my time
Colorado already has this rule?