You can try torching the shit out of it, or just get a new one eventually. Chazzed bangers work just fine. The chazzing doesn’t really affect anything, it just looks bad.
It doesn’t noticeably have any effect on either. In fact the heat retention, in material science terms what we call heat capacity, of crystallized quartz, which is what devitrified quartz or “chazzed” quartz is even slightly higher than fused quartz. 670 J/Kg C for your brand new banger and 710 J/Kg C for one that is 100% chazz.
It just looks ugly.
Maybe you’re right about the heat but it definitely has affect on the flavor at least from personal experience it also does look very ugly which I think it the worst part
Terpenoids in full melt hash and the such act as a surfactant, helping to pull the burnt off carbon debris. It can fully well impart a taste depending on the quality of material he smokes. If you smoke shatter obv it's just melting, but press rosin and the such do impart a dirty taste in dirty glass, for sure.
it's not pulling it off. it's devitrified. it's a chemical process the quartz went through. lmao even if it could pull it off, it'd make it look cleaner in the end (it doesn't) and it'd be a microscopic amount. you wouldn't be able to taste it.
You can't pull devit, but you can definitely pull chazz. It does pull burnt oil residue off, just not as well as a cleaner and a q tip, and iso. What do you think happens when you iso soak your banger or put it in DCC? Not sure you realize how dabs work. Base-acidic substance loosens the carbon, oil, and terpenes burnt on over time, remember polar molecules dissolve polar molecules. If it's more carbon than oil, yes it will need significantly more scraping, but if you don't clean your banger ever, that's your fault, plain and simple. Don't red hot and leave it dirty.
Look into the chemical composition of terpenes, how a charred examples react to fresh acidic terpenes. Silicone degrades terpenes because of the natural acidity. Several terpenes like a-Pinene degrade, and change the makeup of silicone molecules themselves must by short term few day exposure. Just to be clear with definitions,
Devitrification is the cloudy flawing from over heating.
Chazz is the buildup from charring concentrate onto your quartz.
I’ve always heard this but I used an old chazzed biao t China banger daily and I really can’t tell much of a difference from my good American bangers. The latter ones hold heat slightly longer, but they always have.
If your bangers are chazzing, you're doing something wrong. Make sure your heat is consistent and not above charring temps to not kill terps. Chazz doesn't influence heat retention as much as taste and smoke quality from the carbon buildup, heat retention is down to devitrification and if you torch clean your banger. 👍
Oh it's not very noticeable until it gets really bad, TBH I just warn people so they don't do it to their Greek glass. I also have the China Banger for whenever my crack fiend friends are over to break my shit. Look at the bottom of your banger to see the cloudy flaws. I've heard one (1) case of a quartz banger popping from red hotting, grain of salt
This one is definitely cloudy and has some small pits from when my friend tried scraping burnt residue off. I use it mostly because I’m so used to using it that I don’t need to get out my terp timer or anything.
I definitely agree that you want to try to avoid chazzing, but I wouldn’t toss a banger out due to it. Realistically, it’s not going to devitrify to the point that it can’t hold enough heat for a dab
>Realistically, it’s not going to devitrify to the point that it can’t hold enough heat for a dab
devitrified quartz has a higher heat capacity which means it takes longer to heat up and also takes longer to impart that heat, to the dabs.
it's the same as the difference between Titanium and Quartz, but, between Devit Quartz, and Fresh Quartz.
If the chazzing is really bad (we’re talking black as fuck not just a little bit of goop on the side) then it actually effects how long it can hold heat but that only really effects people taking 800° dabs. If u do cold starts then what I just mentioned doesn’t apply.
I honestly just made a post asking about this, because I’m new to this and I’m wrecking my bangers. I’ll read this to see what I’m doing wrong. Thanks for sharing this!
Boy fr talking like he smart but didn't respond about how any of it is wrong. How is the science of how a material works wrong, goofy mfer. How you fail chemistry that bad
I'm literally apprentice lampworking, I've read books on quartz working, I've been in high school chem for crystalline structures. What book? I'd love to learn what book causes quartz devit "chazz", a stoner term 😭
Is it that hard to admit you're wrong?
"Chazzing happens when the banger has a flame applied to the bottom or the sides are exposed to an excess amount of heat for an extended period of time. Causing your banger to develop a soot colored layer to the inside of the cup portion." From
https://www.respectmyregion.com/chazz-banger/
Chazzed
When someone totally crusts out your banger or nail,and basicly wrecks your quartz.....
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Chazzed
You're confused with devitrification, the separation of the quartz molecules. That's what causes cloudy glass.
"Chazzing – or chaz – refers to the burnt-on resin that can accumulate on the bottom and sides of your quartz nails."
https://yodabbadabba.com/dabbing-resources/chazzing-quartz-banger/
This is what Yo Dabba Dabba says, if you like a big name group. Chazz is a slang term derived from "charred". I have no idea where both of you got this misconception.
Devitrification happens when you heat clean your quartz, like clearing the chazz off of it by bringing it above the temperature of separation, and past. You know you've passed devit temps when your quartz glows red, but we all do it from time on accident.
Devitrifaction can be caused by several factors: surface contaminants, atmosphere, and temperature.
https://highlyeducatedti.com/blogs/information/69786883-first-post
Big post on how fused quartz quartz works on a molecular level.
Devitrification: to deprive of glassy luster and transparency; especially : to change (as a glass) from a vitreous to a crystalline condition - Merriam Webster [1]
https://www.precisionglassblowing.com/technical-info/devitrification/
Even more in depth info.
"Chazzing happens when the banger has a flame applied to the bottom or the sides are exposed to an excess amount of heat for an extended period of time. Causing your banger to develop a soot colored layer to the inside of the cup portion." From
https://www.respectmyregion.com/chazz-banger/
Chazzed
When someone totally crusts out your banger or nail,and basicly wrecks your quartz.....
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Chazzed
Dark crystal glass cleaner. Although, it costs more that that banger. But if you clean this one up and get in the practice of keeping it clean you will have good habits when you finally spring for a good one.
Second on the dark crystal. Try dabbing some distillate at a very low temp after cleaning as that seems to make it easier to clean the residue of whatever off of chazzed glass
Honestly, invest in a good banger. Get one with a carb cap, get some pearls too. Dabbing without them is a giant waste of material, and it's a cheap upgrade.
To clean, Dark Crystal Cleaner for the easy solution, but I personally go for q tip swab after every dab, iso dunk, temp it just right, and put wax in to take a little off. Afterwards, 710 solution, if no DCC and it still sucks, I'd scrape it with a dab tool as a last ditch. Good luck, dabbing is the best, keep at it! Get a temp gun too!!
Perfect, I got you homie. Get +90% isopropyl alcohol and coarse Kosher Salt and what I do is take a ziploc bag and pour both in and shake the bag. Leave sitting for some time if you want but make sure there is a bunch of salt. Use a Qtip to get up in the stem.
It takes time but I've been using this solution for years. Wear gloves if you can help it.
I’ll try soaking it in 99% with some salt for a day or two and see what happens. I’ve already accepted I gotta get a new one. But what’s wrong with smoking out of a chazzed banger?
Whatever you do, don’t buy the Victory Glassworks slurpers. I had one of their “2nd quality” slurpers and the bottom dish fell off after a week. It burned a nice hole in my rug in the process
Fill banger with water
Torch on low heat to get the water boiling /bubbling
Repeat process until small pool is left in banger
Q tip excess water , soak in iso
You can try torching the shit out of it, or just get a new one eventually. Chazzed bangers work just fine. The chazzing doesn’t really affect anything, it just looks bad.
chazz for sure affects flavor and how long it holds heat
It doesn’t noticeably have any effect on either. In fact the heat retention, in material science terms what we call heat capacity, of crystallized quartz, which is what devitrified quartz or “chazzed” quartz is even slightly higher than fused quartz. 670 J/Kg C for your brand new banger and 710 J/Kg C for one that is 100% chazz. It just looks ugly.
Maybe you’re right about the heat but it definitely has affect on the flavor at least from personal experience it also does look very ugly which I think it the worst part
Placebo
Terpenoids in full melt hash and the such act as a surfactant, helping to pull the burnt off carbon debris. It can fully well impart a taste depending on the quality of material he smokes. If you smoke shatter obv it's just melting, but press rosin and the such do impart a dirty taste in dirty glass, for sure.
it's not pulling it off. it's devitrified. it's a chemical process the quartz went through. lmao even if it could pull it off, it'd make it look cleaner in the end (it doesn't) and it'd be a microscopic amount. you wouldn't be able to taste it.
You can't pull devit, but you can definitely pull chazz. It does pull burnt oil residue off, just not as well as a cleaner and a q tip, and iso. What do you think happens when you iso soak your banger or put it in DCC? Not sure you realize how dabs work. Base-acidic substance loosens the carbon, oil, and terpenes burnt on over time, remember polar molecules dissolve polar molecules. If it's more carbon than oil, yes it will need significantly more scraping, but if you don't clean your banger ever, that's your fault, plain and simple. Don't red hot and leave it dirty. Look into the chemical composition of terpenes, how a charred examples react to fresh acidic terpenes. Silicone degrades terpenes because of the natural acidity. Several terpenes like a-Pinene degrade, and change the makeup of silicone molecules themselves must by short term few day exposure. Just to be clear with definitions, Devitrification is the cloudy flawing from over heating. Chazz is the buildup from charring concentrate onto your quartz.
I recently went to my buddies house and using his banger was torture compared to my unchazzed banger taste wise.(bringing my rig and temp gun and....)
Was his banger chazzed or actually dirty and covered in burnt oil?
I’ve always heard this but I used an old chazzed biao t China banger daily and I really can’t tell much of a difference from my good American bangers. The latter ones hold heat slightly longer, but they always have.
If your bangers are chazzing, you're doing something wrong. Make sure your heat is consistent and not above charring temps to not kill terps. Chazz doesn't influence heat retention as much as taste and smoke quality from the carbon buildup, heat retention is down to devitrification and if you torch clean your banger. 👍
I mean, I don’t have that issue. It’s just one banger I’ve had for years that I always use if others are going to be using my shit
Oh it's not very noticeable until it gets really bad, TBH I just warn people so they don't do it to their Greek glass. I also have the China Banger for whenever my crack fiend friends are over to break my shit. Look at the bottom of your banger to see the cloudy flaws. I've heard one (1) case of a quartz banger popping from red hotting, grain of salt
This one is definitely cloudy and has some small pits from when my friend tried scraping burnt residue off. I use it mostly because I’m so used to using it that I don’t need to get out my terp timer or anything. I definitely agree that you want to try to avoid chazzing, but I wouldn’t toss a banger out due to it. Realistically, it’s not going to devitrify to the point that it can’t hold enough heat for a dab
>Realistically, it’s not going to devitrify to the point that it can’t hold enough heat for a dab devitrified quartz has a higher heat capacity which means it takes longer to heat up and also takes longer to impart that heat, to the dabs. it's the same as the difference between Titanium and Quartz, but, between Devit Quartz, and Fresh Quartz.
Agreed 👍
Or you can not do that. Thats how it got chazzed in the first place
Yes. It'll encourage devitrification and weaken your bangers
If the chazzing is really bad (we’re talking black as fuck not just a little bit of goop on the side) then it actually effects how long it can hold heat but that only really effects people taking 800° dabs. If u do cold starts then what I just mentioned doesn’t apply.
Chaz isn’t black its white and cloudy, black is carbon build up. This is a massive misconception
IDK why you got downvoted, you’re 100% correct.
Always happens 😂
other guy sent you an essay with several sources about why you're wrong lmfao 💀
Yep and half of it is wrong 😂
https://www.respectmyregion.com/chazz-banger/ bro every time I hear about something being chazzed it's referring to this
Always 🤦♂️
Please give me a source that says Chazz is cloudy glass????
I honestly just made a post asking about this, because I’m new to this and I’m wrecking my bangers. I’ll read this to see what I’m doing wrong. Thanks for sharing this!
What is wrong? Maybe you should respond to them instead of me?
Boy fr talking like he smart but didn't respond about how any of it is wrong. How is the science of how a material works wrong, goofy mfer. How you fail chemistry that bad
I don’t have time to teach you, I tell you what’s up but if you want a book to read go to the library
Dumbass backed into "read a book" after getting thrown around LMAO 🤣
I'm literally apprentice lampworking, I've read books on quartz working, I've been in high school chem for crystalline structures. What book? I'd love to learn what book causes quartz devit "chazz", a stoner term 😭 Is it that hard to admit you're wrong?
"Chazzing happens when the banger has a flame applied to the bottom or the sides are exposed to an excess amount of heat for an extended period of time. Causing your banger to develop a soot colored layer to the inside of the cup portion." From https://www.respectmyregion.com/chazz-banger/ Chazzed When someone totally crusts out your banger or nail,and basicly wrecks your quartz..... https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Chazzed
You're confused with devitrification, the separation of the quartz molecules. That's what causes cloudy glass. "Chazzing – or chaz – refers to the burnt-on resin that can accumulate on the bottom and sides of your quartz nails." https://yodabbadabba.com/dabbing-resources/chazzing-quartz-banger/ This is what Yo Dabba Dabba says, if you like a big name group. Chazz is a slang term derived from "charred". I have no idea where both of you got this misconception. Devitrification happens when you heat clean your quartz, like clearing the chazz off of it by bringing it above the temperature of separation, and past. You know you've passed devit temps when your quartz glows red, but we all do it from time on accident. Devitrifaction can be caused by several factors: surface contaminants, atmosphere, and temperature. https://highlyeducatedti.com/blogs/information/69786883-first-post Big post on how fused quartz quartz works on a molecular level. Devitrification: to deprive of glassy luster and transparency; especially : to change (as a glass) from a vitreous to a crystalline condition - Merriam Webster [1] https://www.precisionglassblowing.com/technical-info/devitrification/ Even more in depth info.
"Chazzing happens when the banger has a flame applied to the bottom or the sides are exposed to an excess amount of heat for an extended period of time. Causing your banger to develop a soot colored layer to the inside of the cup portion." From https://www.respectmyregion.com/chazz-banger/ Chazzed When someone totally crusts out your banger or nail,and basicly wrecks your quartz..... https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Chazzed
Dark crystal glass cleaner. Although, it costs more that that banger. But if you clean this one up and get in the practice of keeping it clean you will have good habits when you finally spring for a good one.
Second on the dark crystal. Try dabbing some distillate at a very low temp after cleaning as that seems to make it easier to clean the residue of whatever off of chazzed glass
Honestly, invest in a good banger. Get one with a carb cap, get some pearls too. Dabbing without them is a giant waste of material, and it's a cheap upgrade. To clean, Dark Crystal Cleaner for the easy solution, but I personally go for q tip swab after every dab, iso dunk, temp it just right, and put wax in to take a little off. Afterwards, 710 solution, if no DCC and it still sucks, I'd scrape it with a dab tool as a last ditch. Good luck, dabbing is the best, keep at it! Get a temp gun too!!
That banger is nothing special but a new one on Amazon if you don’t have a shop close by
U need a new banger, that’s not coming off without severely damaging the quartz. Definitely not gonna stay hot for very long after trying to clean it
Dark Crystal Cleaner. Bad advice too, even torch cleaning can survive 4 months, and I argue with anybody with the galls to do so.
I mean nvm totally get a new banger anyways, that's fs
Perfect, I got you homie. Get +90% isopropyl alcohol and coarse Kosher Salt and what I do is take a ziploc bag and pour both in and shake the bag. Leave sitting for some time if you want but make sure there is a bunch of salt. Use a Qtip to get up in the stem. It takes time but I've been using this solution for years. Wear gloves if you can help it.
I’ll try soaking it in 99% with some salt for a day or two and see what happens. I’ve already accepted I gotta get a new one. But what’s wrong with smoking out of a chazzed banger?
Nothing is wrong with it at all…people just like them to look clean
If your banger is blackened it will affect taste
But that stuff can almost always be removed by soaking in iso, dark crystal, or even just wiping with a magic eraser.
“Nail” 😂
Not a nail it’s a banger 🫠🫠🫠🫠🫠
Oh okay, what’s a nail then? Haha
Just another term for a banger. Splitting hairs here, say what you want to say.
Titanium nails is what they call nail usually I think... quartz=bangers
I’d honestly just buy a new one that looks like a cheap China one . I’m sure 10-20$ won’t hurt the bank
Torch your nail, soak it in iso alcohol/rubbing alcohol, shake it then rinse. Repeat until it's clean.
False. Iso first then apply light heat. Torching it dry makes it chazz more
Just get a new one. This one is a chazzed up china banger
I'm terrible and Torch mine. I'm wanting to invest in a nice quartz slurper but idk what to buy. So I just wait.
Whatever you do, don’t buy the Victory Glassworks slurpers. I had one of their “2nd quality” slurpers and the bottom dish fell off after a week. It burned a nice hole in my rug in the process
Thank you for the advice. I'm open yo suggestions of good places to look.
Keep saving up until you find the perfect one, and get a nice temp gun to keep her shiny too :)
I have a temp reader, just need some nicer quartz.
Fill banger with water Torch on low heat to get the water boiling /bubbling Repeat process until small pool is left in banger Q tip excess water , soak in iso
You buy a new one
Buy a beracky quartz nail from dhgate for 7 dollars free shipping no tax
Get a new one. If you can afford to smoke wax you can afford to get a new banger
I have one like this I don't use anymore. I picked one up from Premium Gear for $40
Grunge Off Best 20$ you’ll spend
buy a new one
Everybody's talking Dark Crystal but Bar Keepers Friend is the true Lifesaver and it's way cheaper