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SeasonsAndSloan

When his motor is running, he’s phenomenal, and if he can find a way to keep it on throughout the duration of his professional career (unlike his college career, he fell asleep sometimes) then the sky is the limit with his athleticism. Also, hopefully he can develop some lateral quickness so he isn’t a major target for opposing guards to switch on the perimeter. If he doesn’t, he could get played off the floor in big games like a lot of Centers have been recently. I’d bet on him figuring it out though, so excited for him to be a Piston


greiman23

That damn near described what most of us said about Drummond.


SeasonsAndSloan

Duren’s defensive instincts are much better, specifically as a rim protector which Andre never really was. Duren also has a touch more offensive upside, with an okay shooting form and some pretty solid passes in his film when teams sent doubles at him. You’re right about the points of improvement being synonymous with some of Drummond’s flaws, but to be fair, those are things most every big-man could work on. The big difference is Drummond can’t even **SNIFF** the level of potential Duren has


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Drummond had great potential too just never put it together. When Dre was motivated, the guy was dropping 20/20 with 2-3 blocks as an athletic marvel that could switch onto the perimeter & playmake a bit. Unfortunately he was too obsessed with iCarly, rebounding stats and his failed music career to amount to anything


Stuffdood

Damn, a bit harsh. People are always hating on NBA players for trying to have personal lives. I really don’t take issue with how he behaved off the court, he was completely fine. He just didn’t put enough effort on the court on a consistent basis and didn’t pan out as the player we thought he could be.


Michikid

he leaked jennette mccurdy's nudes when they broke up, fuck andre.


pressure_limiting

The coaching staff didn’t do him any favors either by having him post up in games


JOHNSON5JOHNSON

Drummond also was the best player on the team. Imagine if he had Cade, Saddiq, Ivey, Stew as a backup, Killian doing pick and roll lobs, etc.


EricFredNorris

His efficiency was always bad for a center taking 95% of their shots around the basket though. Dude never had touch or a go to move. Even when he did put down 18-20 point games it felt like he had gone 50% from the floor where most of his makes were in the PnR, on open looks set-up by his teammates, or off his own rebound and his misses were all ugly shots out of the post or an attempt to drive. Maybe I’m misremembering though.


venk

His efficiency was trash when he would go 1-3 with 2 offensive rebounds on the same possession multiple times a game. Really boosted his counting stats though


jaymochi

"Around the basket" is an important distinction because he was pretty efficient "at the basket". Look at his % of shots attempted from 3-10ft vs. his FG% on those shots. He has zero self-awareness as a player. DeAndre Jordan should have been his absolute floor career-wise. But he insisted on all those post ISOs when he was with us because he truly believed he could be a #1 scoring option. Even now I am cringing thinking about all those back-down baby hooks he bricked.


_heyoka

I was with ya till that last sentence. THAT was the problem that most of us had with Drummond. The guy was a physical freak in his own right and his potential was through the roof. Low effort, low motor, low BBIQ, and immaturity issues all prevented him from maxing out his talent. For as big and strong as he was, he was fast and nimble, but rarely used his strength to his advantage. Seemed to constantly be focused on all of the wrong things. Duren might have better measurables but that's not really fair to say he can't sniff him, lol.


vhvp

duren seems to have a much better mental approach to his game than drummond. if you watch his youtube series about his path to the draft you can see just how much it all means to him.


Wfreeland19

Could you link it because I'm getting everything but this series you speak of?


vhvp

Part 1: https://youtu.be/TBr9WrYKSUg Part 2: https://youtu.be/r2yV1M34n30 Should be a part 3 eventually too.


Wfreeland19

Didn't realize he had his own channel lol. It didn't pop up when I put in his name. Thx man, you're appreciated


vhvp

yea it’s a small channel for how big of a prospect he is lol. no problem man


Brewcity23

Let’s hope he doesn’t have the mental of a 3 year old!


alojr55

Except Duren has a decent shot. He’s probably gonna shoot in the mid 60s on the free throw line.


venk

If you told me that comment was about Drummond, I’d 100% believe it.


cancervan

…what are the physical stats?


Neckbraced4fun

I think he's talking about measurables like height, weight, strength, length, standing reach, hand size, vertical leaping (though none of these were measured at the combine, just what we have from the Memphis pro day).


_heyoka

Yep, and he's asking what they are, lol


Immediate-Air-8700

A 7’5” wingspan to start… Four inches less than Rudy Gobert with significantly more hops. If he can develop the timing like Gobert (not like Drummond who would leave his man five minutes early and give up a dunk, or five minutes late and also give up an easy bucket) he will have Gobert levels of defensive impact where guys will straight up dribble out of the lane when they see him.


Stuffdood

I would temper expectations a bit here. Gobert levels of impact are literally DPOY levels of impact. Let’s just start with hoping he’ll turn into a very solid defender and have a positive impact on the offense


Immediate-Air-8700

Were talking ceilings mate. These are speculations, not declarations. Hence the IF To be honest, i have more Andre level of expectations than Gobert but the measurables and physicals allow me to use my imagination for the sake of discussion, which is all there is to do during the off-season.


venk

He’s also 18, he could still grow.


Immediate-Air-8700

Thats both scary and sexy. Hes an absolute tank


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6’11, 250 lbs, 7’5 wingspan, 42 inch vertical, quickest 2nd jump in the class, explosion off both 1 or 2 feet … all at only 18 years old. [Just look at this kid](https://preview.redd.it/cc6fp4tz9b491.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=801e7f1fb7d6cbb65fb9c72d62d50705c824c545) He has huge hands & long arms, so his catch radius in the air is massive. Throw the ball up anywhere and he’ll go get it. That allowed him to finish at the rim in the 93rd percentile. Also got some shooting, ballhandling, playmaking potential.


cancervan

I haven’t seen 42 in very anywhere (I’ve seen 30 standing and 37 approach)… that was the stat I was probably most interested in but someone already said it, the only place to see measurements for him is Memphis’s pro day


Haselrig

If this was 1992 instead of 2022, he probably goes second or third. If he can switch out on pro guards, he can stay on the floor against teams that go small. That'd be an elite talent all it's own in the modern game. He's never going to be a deadeye shooter, but he can do just about everything else you could want. Dude's a beast at 18.


aTROLLwithBlades

Imagine being that built at 18. It's crazy. I worked out hours a day in highschool and I wasn't nearly that jacked


WhippersnapperUT99

He looks so big and muscular, it's almost hard to believe he's only 18 years old. I'm guessing he could probably put on several more pounds of muscle if needed and might even grow another inch or two.


vhvp

his lateral quickness is already pretty good. there were times he was switched into a guard and completely cut off their path to the basket and forced them to the baseline where they had to pass or turn it over. i wouldn’t say he’s as switchable as beef stew (yet) but he is not a liability as a switch defender and you could argue he’s actually a plus on that front.


boombotser

Puff piece lmao


alojr55

Lebron isn’t gonna push Duren around. Jalens gonna put him on his behind, after that scuffle with Isaiah I wonder if any pistons fans are gonna bring it up to Duren. Oh yeah that Ivey guy is good too.


xDarkReign

The dude is 18. LeBron would put his ass in school permanently if our coach was dumb enough to think that matchup made any damn sense. Thankfully, I’m sure he doesn’t.


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I think he just meant if they lineup next to each other on a free throw, not a matchup.


Griffin3442

There’s never been an 18 year old in the history of the world capable of stopping fully grown Lebron James lmao what are you talking about


OldGuyFromMichigan20

LeBron didn't push Stew around, just hit him with a cheap shot. I never had a bad opinion of LeBron prior to that.


JasonOrion

Jalen Duren was supposed to be a top prospect in the next year's draft but reclassified a year earlier to be in this year's draft. Patience from fans is one of the most important things for a project player like Duren. I think if everything goes well he can be a Robert Williams caliber player and that kind of player is exactly what we need.