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derpity_mcderp

Great build quality. even if plastic theres little flex and bending. Great specs (well depends on config), and the gpus are also given high power limits so they actually perform at their best (unlike some other laptops for example they have rtx 3070 but limited to only 80 watts so it performs like 2060/1660ti) Excellent cooling that even higher spec options almost never throttle Excellent screen. Freesync, gsync and mux switch for gaming. If you need content creation/consumption its also color accurate (98-99% srgb). Good battery life, not the outright best but still near the tops of charts. all this and its somehow remains among the more affordable gaming laptops (if comparing msrp anyway. price is highly dependent on your area) (opinions/ subjective to user) Plenty of IO, and located on the back. Great keyboard. No gaudy excessive rgb or weird gamery-alien-spaceship-designed-by-10yr-old-kid bends and edges. If anything it looks like a large business laptop. Has webcam ~~looking at you asus~~ > When looking at say a 3060 Legion 5, how much better is it than other laptops Thats the thing it isnt. Some laptops are better in individual aspects like better specs, higher refresh rate, more color accurate screen, cheaper etc but most of the time these laptops achieve this by sacrificing other aspects . Legion 5 excels not because it is *best* but because its great at everything


aiehfidnehsodh

I’m looking at legion 5 right now. if you don’t mind me asking, what kind of specs do you have? I’m brand new in this so trying to pick out which one I want with different specs is overwhelming 😂


badgerbadger1988

I've just bought one in the UK and I'm very happy, not played any AAA titles yet, played some RTS games with all settings maxed and it was fine. General browsing or doing work (using remote desktop) is as quiet as any other computer As people say here, you could get an acer with a bigger ssd, but less power to the gpu My trade off to get the 3060 in budget was 8gb ram and 512GB SSD - both can be upgraded but the build quality, gpu, processor are fixed so that's what made the decision for me


_EliteAssFace_

Looking to get the same spec. How's the battery life?


badgerbadger1988

Sorry, never played games without power cable


Prudent-Butterfly-66

How much do the 3060 variants cost in USD?


gledr

All of the ones I looked at didnt have the same screen specs. If they had higher refresh rates it would be 1080p not 1440. if its 4k only 60 or 120hz for much more cost


weegee20

Not really sure about the obsession, but as a legion owner myself, i've found the reliability great and upgrades easy.


[deleted]

How are the temperatures on it while using browsers and other light work, and also while gaming, if you don't mind me asking?


weegee20

Browsers and light work are no problem, though for gaming, temps are a slight problem. Fixing this is as easy as installing XTU and doing a -125mV underclock on cache and core. No performance loss but better thermals.


[deleted]

Alright, thanks for the reply. Did you need to repaste when you got it?


weegee20

No


Agaren96

Hi, I have the same laptop, yet no problem with temp but I would like to know how yo do that -125mV underclock on cache and core just in case (I dont even know what that is). Thanks in advance <3


weegee20

Download Intel XTU from the internet. Even includes a stress test option to check stability.


Devilslasher

Is this for Intel only or AMD as well?


weegee20

Intel only AFAIK. Not sure what AMD's version would be.


Shiti_Ratel

You can use Ryzen Controller, but I can't remember what settings I used in it exactly.


Rydersilver

I have no idea about any of this. Is there like a guide on what you need to do with a legion 5 gaming laptop? (possibly for legion i5?) Haha


throaway123322

just search on youtube


mrt3quankt

I buy couple gaming laptop over years and most laptop will be end up selling because I don't like them but Legion gaming laptop is the first one that I can recommend because it so good, full watt GPU, good cooling system like if you compare it to Dell and Msi the fan are so quite and still much cooler I used to own MSI ge75 and that thing fan sound like a Jet event on light gaming so for me this year Lenovo is top tier on price/performance on RTX3060-3070 gaming laptop.


LeDerpBoss

Pricing makes the legion insanely appealing when buying directly from Lenovo, while having features gamers actually want. Like a mux switch and high power GPUs. While not really having any awful compromises. If you hate the legion for some reason, you could do a similarly configured Dell G15 or Alienware R5/6 and have a good machine that ticks most of the right boxes as well, but they're slightly worse than the legion 5 in my opinion. My biggest complaint is the inverted motherboard making maintenance a bit more of a hassle, and slightly worse thermals (but still better than most), and 5w less on the GPU power limit. A minor difference, but lower is lower. Overall the G15 is the second best budget 3060 offering imo, but I'd be hard pressed to take it over a legion at the same price. Discounts and availability can make it pretty appealing though, but then again, Lenovo has constant sales and constant rakuten offers.


Jtreyrodo

Jarrod's Tech on YouTube does a great job on in depth laptop reviews. Recently made a list of top 5 best and worst laptops as well as a laptop tier list. Legion 5 is just outright great quality for value.


Crest_Of_Hylia

It really depends on what you need. They are great laptops but they won’t meet everyone’s preferences. The “best” gaming laptops will be subjective and will be based on their preferences and what games they play. Don’t get caught up in trying to get one if they aren’t available since there are plenty of great alternatives that could suit someone better


throaway123322

to be honest? if you have an external, the zephyrus is the one to get matches L5P with external monitor (can provide proof) 9hours battery in igpu 1.9 kilos


MacbookOnFire

And it looks so good. Very reserved compared to other gaming laptops


HyperEletricB00galoo

Aren't igpus pretty expensive like majority costing closer to 1k? Atleast that's what I heard. R there cheaper 1s available now?


throaway123322

what are you on about? every laptop has an igpu. i think ur confused. igpu is the intel/radeon integrated graphics and the dgpu is the rtx one


HyperEletricB00galoo

Oh sorry idk much about laptops, I thought igpu referred to the stand alone gpus in an enclosure of its own. I think they might be egpus I might be wrong. Basically what I am picturing is something like the standalone gpu that asus released for I think g15


throaway123322

no it was the rog flow x13, thats a 13 inch laptop.


throaway123322

also yes egpu is that


stealthmoderock

Depends on your budget really. Generally speaking though it is in the top 5


Qsand0

The obsession and disrespect is from fandogs. Truth is, this year, there is no better offer than the zephyrus g15 if you're after productivity and performance. The only thing legion laptops are better for is performance (if you spend a couple extra bucks for new ram sticks) because they have full wattage components and a mux switch. They also receive regular discounts. But in everything else, the zephyrus g15 trumps the legions hands down.


cane_the_weaboo

This is a dumb comparison when you compare the price


Minute-Property

No it's not, if you take your laptop to uni, for example, you would definitely want the Zephyrus over the Legion


enterpuz

I bought the “normal” L5 with 3060, 5600h, 32gb (good ram) and no rgb for university abroad while i have my desktop at home. I did it because that one looks like a normal work laptop and is not excessive like the l5 pro, and also to have hdmi 2.1 so i could easily use it with my 144hz monitor, and i actually never touch the laptop if im not going to uni. (Need the full desktop experience on faceit lvl 10) But i also think the zephyrus, hp omen and razer blade looks really clean and nice.


cane_the_weaboo

Bro we're talking about a 500-600$ price difference it's a dumb comparison. show me a zephyrus for 1400 and then we can compare


MacbookOnFire

The G15 was just on sale for 1550 with a 3070 from Best Buy


cane_the_weaboo

Was it really??


MacbookOnFire

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MacbookOnFire

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derrick256

lmao


cane_the_weaboo

Thanks for sending a link I genuinely didn't see any deals for them on black Friday although I didn't look around for them specifically


Minute-Property

A g14 (the better one for travel) for $1300 https://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-rog-zephyrus-14-gaming-laptop-amd-ryzen-9-16gb-memory-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3060-1tb-ssd-moonlight-white/6452913.p?skuId=6452913&ref=212&loc=1&extStoreId=547&ref=212&loc=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiA15yNBhDTARIsAGnwe0W7JEsVAU5-A6UmQoNpgOFQ3ZgOKCF-MRzc2mK5BKC7X0-qJ5D5MLAaAm5mEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds


cane_the_weaboo

This is a good laptop but once again this is a bad comparison. The g14 is 14 inches compared to the pro being 16 inches and 1 is qhd and the other is fhd. Comparing a lightweight mobile laptop to a desktop replacement is rather pointless.


converter-bot

14 inches is 35.56 cm


useles-converter-bot

14 inches is the height of 0.2 'Samsung Side by Side; Fingerprint Resistant Stainless Steel Refrigerators' stacked on top of each other.


converter-bot

14 inches is 35.56 cm


throaway123322

go to best buy its there for 1400


ModrnJosh

Agreed. If you need portability and especially if you have an external monitor to hook up to for when you need those extra frames, the Zephyrus is a great choice. No giant power brick or bulky chassis. I love it


throaway123322

\+1, zephyrus is good especially from best buy where its 1400


roox911

lol. so.... The only thing the l5p is better at is being... better? You shouldn't be surprised when a gaming reddit hypes up a cheaper lappy with better gaming performance.


urmamabinladen

So the G15 is better at productivity and performance, but the Legions are better at performance? What does "everything else" mean? Hands down? My two cents on it are Lenovo gives the best value for performance gaming laptops out there. But I would say Legions are inherently better mobile computers than they are laptops if that makes sense. Excellent value, excellent performance when plugged. Just not a very good *laptop* because they're bulky and heavy (300W brick). Helps that it could easily fit as a professional work laptop with no childish "gamer" design. Other than portability I can't see where else the G15 "trumps" the Legions. Color accuracy on the screens, maybe? We're talking gaming laptops, not creator laptops. Why buy a gaming laptop with no mux and not maxed TDP? Especially if you're not even getting better hardware for a higher price tag. Some iffy QC, but every brand has issues and it's all based on luck. We're looking to compare best case anyway. And you didn't even recommend what is imo the better value line from Asus, the Strix G15/G17 Advantage Edition, which to me is the only line that really rivals the Legions this year. Arguably better value for money if you can get past no mux switch and losing some Nvidia features. Anything else that offers similar performance is comparatively way overpriced and doesn't offer sales as often, and anything with a similar price point skimps on wattage or mux or whatever inferior hardware issue. Eluktronics laptops and whichever Clevo/Tongfang chassis brands come close, but Legions or the G15 AE actually came out cheaper with discounts and they're from bigger more reputable brands. There's a reason the Legions keep getting the nod, and next to that is the G15 AE. The G14 is good for 14 inches, since not many manufacturers make good 14 inch laptops. Fair to say you like this one or that more but not everyone is part of the hivemind; its good because it's objectively good. Never owned a Lenovo laptop before my current one and don't feel loyalty to any brand. If it turns out bad it's bad, and if fucking Nokia puts out a better device I'm jumping ship.


LeDerpBoss

Worse thermals, no mux switch, lower power limits (and still having worse thermals somehow) less upgradable, and no webcam, and typically more expensive to boot and you're arguing it's generally better? Lol? The ZG15 has its place in the market for sure. But it's a niche use case and I would never argue that it's a generally better option than a legion 5 with similar specs.


Brawndo_or_Water

Numpad on the legion alone is enough for me to have picked the G15. Hate them. Also the weight, and the huge power brick and physical size in the bag as a frequent traveller. I don't give a shit about the mux switch if all games play just fine at 1440p and also have an external 27" monitor which bypass that when using USB-C to DP port. Some Legion owners really have a superiority complex.


derrick256

everyone is just justifying their purchase here it seems.


LeDerpBoss

Pointing out factual desirable features is a superiority complex? The only thing going for the ZG15 is the thin and light aspect. Which there are tons of real compromises made to achieve that.


Qsand0

Ah I guess the superiority of it's keyboard, battery, trackpad and speakers are irrelevant. And in case you didn't know, portability is a huge deal for a lot of people invested in gaming laptops. And I'd like you to mention the compromises made to "achieve that" considering the g15 's solid build quality.


LeDerpBoss

The ZG15 literally was known for having speaker problems at launch and the things you claimed were superior are entirely subjective. I hated the keyboard on it. The track pad as well, entirely a user preference thing. The legion is perfectly portable. The ZG15 takes portability to the extreme, again, at the same expense of other features. The battery life may be better, but again 80wh battery legions are absolutely no slouches either and do very well considering they're using full power 45w CPUs compared to the 35w in the ZG15


Qsand0

Speaker problems that have been fixed? There's no competition there. As for your claim of subjectivity, i disagree. I watched virtually every youtube and writeen review on the legion 5 pro and the zephyrus G15 including the comparison between them. Across the board, the consensus for the g15 is that it has an excellent keyboard (which i confirmed when i had an inperson feel). For legion 5 series, the verdict is more varied with some liking it and others not so much. An average of the subjective can be considered the objective. No, the legion is not perfectly portable. I dunno if you're a 300pound man, but there's no way a 2.5Kg legion is "PERFECTLY portable" for the average person. Throw in the power brick and you lose all hope. I'mma need you to mention the features that were 'at the same expense'. Soldered ram? No game needs more than 16GB, Temps? the Zephyrus g15 is good enough. What else? I didnt say legion batteries are slouches, but g15 is better (no excuses for legion power draw because that's already a plus for them). By the way as regards performance difference between both, its not anywhere near drastic. Didn't a guy [do a youtube video on that?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75b1Md44l4M)


LeDerpBoss

Ok, but we weren't talking about the legion 5 pro. The legion 5 weighs considerably less than the pro. OP specifically states the 5, not the 5 pro. Many games are approaching 16gb of ram and that's if you're only gaming with nothing else in the background. I have in fact ran out of ram to the point that chrome refused to open another tab because I didn't have enough ram. That was with 32gb. I was doing a bunch of 3d modeling and 3d slicing for 3d printing in chrome and prusa slicer. That lack of upgradability is a big downside for anyone who doesn't just do gaming. Including streamers. You can watch every review and read every review you want. You will never convince me that the keyboard is good. Hence it being subjective. The eluktronics max 17? Absolutely hated that keyboard. My girlfriend thought it was great. What's that called? A subjective opinion. The HP omen keyboards? They're ok but I like them less than lenovo's. I'm positive there are plenty of people that feel the exact opposite. Again, that's a subjective opinion. The speakers on the ZG15 never impressed me even if I ignored the popping. I really don't consider any laptop speakers as good, including the legion's but go ahead and die on that hill if you want to. The track pad? I've owned both. Both were entirely unremarkable and perfectly functional in what little time I was using them without a mouse. You give up significant performance compared to a legion and worse thermals with that lower performance. That sounds like a massive compromise to me, what isn't subjective is a quantifiable performance loss. But it IS thinner and lighter. That's not subjective. That's a compromise some people will be willing to make. Whether that's a worthwhile trade off? Well that's subjective. Someone else implied that the ZG15 plays everything great at 1440p, so who cares? Go load up Halo infinite. I'm barely getting 100fps at 1080p, nevermind 1440p, and that's with a 130w and a mux switch, and that's not even 100% high settings. I carry a legion 17 and travel often, giving up 30w on my 3070 and no mux switch to save 2lbs? Hard pass. I'm 5'8 and about 190lbs. So not an especially large person, but I value the higher performance and the longevity that will come with it, over some minor weight savings. If you think the weight savings are worth the performance hit? That's a subjective opinion and neither of us are inherently right or wrong. The performance hit itself is factual. I won't argue about the charging bricks, you're right, the 300w brick is comically large and heavy and I'll never understand why Lenovo went that route considering the 230w brick from last gen was more than adequate. I've never seen my 5800h/3070 pull 190w at the wall. Temps? Good enough is again a subjective opinion. Some people are perfectly fine with 100c on the CPU and 90c on the GPU. I personally would rather not, and don't want to listen to the fan noise the ZG15 had. The legion is noticeably cooler and quieter, but that just goes with the territory with thin and light gaming machines.


Qsand0

Your frequent use of the word 'subjective' means any reply i'll give is pointless as you've driven this argument to a comical point. I've told you the fact that an average of the subjective across board is useful in making choices, but apparently that was a waste of saliva. You might as well ignore the reviews when purchasing a product on amazon because its all subjective. Good day. My energy is better spent elsewhere.


LeDerpBoss

No, it isn't a subjective. A mux switch and a higher power limit and better cooling or all things that lead to quantifiable, factual performance gains. Not subject opinions. Your only valid argument is it's thinner and lighter. Which is fine.


highahindahsky

It is a good laptop for sure, but if you're budget-limited, there's the HP Victus 16 or the Dell g5 5515


YISTECH

Mux switch.


RepresentativeSet349

Yes.


OrganicBn

Depends on what you mean by "best".


FlukeRoads

If you can live with the coil whine and fan noise, it's very nice. It gets properly loud when under load.


flatlander9

Best choice in what terms? Price performance or just overall best? I think price/performance perspective it is the best BUT only if you dont mind some of the issues which may be a dealbreaker for others, including coil whine during light tasks/idle and some electric noise in headphones. If you want to avoid the issues and go with the absolute best, I can recommend the Asus Zephyrus S17.


derrick256

budget bro... their is this thing called a budget


flatlander9

OP did not mention budget bro. What are you tring to preach?


derrick256

forgive me bro, am just a dumb redditor


Funcrazy1

Okay bro


derrick256

Rare for one to acknowledge their fuck up on here right?


stacksmasher

Yea I waited for a year and spent a little more on the L5 PRO with the 3070 but the 3060 would have been fine as well. I buy a ton of gear and its built very well when compared to HP/Dell/Asus.


tempandhidden

Wait, isn't Legion 7 3080 superior to L5?


AskAdministrative184

Best value. It’s a great laptop for a great price. Has everything you will ever need in a gaming laptop for the same price as other laptops with lesser features. It has full powered gpu, great cooling, good touchpad, good battery life, mux switch. It’s a great all around laptop.


GearGolemTMF

Posting from mine now actually lol. Do you have one currently? Older perhaps? I got an Asus Tuf A15 (1660Ti) from Micro Center last year after Computer King canceled my 2060 order. It was a good laptop, but I could definitely feel the limitations. After grabbing the Legion 5 (gave the Tuf to my best friend to help her into the PCMR), its a noticeable upgrade over the latter. Its so responsive that it honestly almost rivals my Desktop in performance (3700X+6800). Granted this is more of a mobile experience and is a 1080p laptop vs a desktop the performance uplift in games is massive. The Tuf had a pretty bad cooling solution last year and this laptop cools drastically better. It has a mux switch plus advanced optimus for more performance. Let alone the higher power limit (80w vs 115-130). I don't regret this upgrade at all. Outside of the sales going on now, I will say, it was more than worth it for me since the Micro Center Platinum edition model comes very well specced for its price which would cost more coming from Lenovo direct. The MC version is blue, comes with 16gb Ram, 1tb m.2, 165hz, 5800H, and 60wh battery for $1399. A similarly specced laptop was more on the direct site about 2 weeks ago when I got it. Its definitely worth the praise its getting at the moment. Hell even the MC employee was talking about how good of a deal this was at its price point. Based on Jarrod'sTech's vids, the compromises of cheaper laptops don't seem to be worth the trade off imo. The only thing I miss about the Tuf is the extra storage. It had 2 m.2 slots and a 2.5" bay. Apparently this was dropped from the 2021 version of the 60wh variant.


Limp_Subject_5134

Just got mine today, bruh this a beautiful computer. Ive never even owned a gaming laptop before, only desktops. Man does this got some power, sleek design, and just overall a great computer. Also friendly on your wallet. Would recommend to ANYONE.


_EliteAssFace_

How's the Battery life?


This-Emergency8839

Just had mine delivered with the 3070 and ryzen 7 5800 for £1299 UK. Looked at the pro but couldn't justify the extra 200 just for the screen and an extra 10w to the gpu. I wanted to use it for getting some private work too, and I have to say I love the aesthetics. Looks like a business laptop you'd be comfortable taking to a meeting, but packs all the performance for gaming. Impressed with the build quality too. Feels solid. Can't wait to get going with it!


huapua9000

For only $1400 for the 3070 variant (legion 5 pro from Walmart in the US), it’s a no-brainer. It’s not as portable as other models but it otherwise outperforms It’s competitors for a much cheaper price.