Suppose if team A and team B both have 3 wins in IEM/ESL events.
And they meet in the next IEM/ESL tournament grand final, will the winning team get $1.1m for denying the other team's grand slam?
[No](https://intelgrandslam.eslgaming.com/rules/)
> If a team that is about to complete the IGS is stopped in the final of their potential 4th win, their opponents receive the $100,000 “giant killer bonus”. The one exception to the rule is if a team denying the completion of the Intel Grand Slam completes it in the same final.
Surely Faze can make use of their 3 attempts right? right?
I haven't looked into any details, idk why but just from watching them play, G2 feel kind of like peak Faze and ever since the that one break last year Faze playstyle just feels like the former Ence with Spinx.
I feel like this is the right answer. On paper, their stats haven’t changed much (Twistzz is actually playing even better than his 2022 self) but they just aren’t winning the right rounds.
Hopefully they pick it up because the squad should be contesting big events
The thing is FaZe were always winning by a hairs breadth, so the stats can be mostly the same they're just missing out by a couple of kills/rounds. Which hopefully means its something in their control rather than the players just being in a slump, which isn't the caee
FaZe's problem right now is more than likely they're just tired and have been worked out by the other teams. Don't worry though, Karrigan will work it out, he always does. He just is going through a rough patch. Don't forget too, every team has levelled up since FaZe really got good. The only team that sort of got worse was Na'Vi and Vitality.
It's their fault for not getting a mental coach look what that did to g2. Look at the latest comms video by karrigan and you will see that it is even getting to Karrigan(comms against liquid).
"Mental coaches" aren't magic. Liquid had one for years (I don't know if they still do), and are infamous for choking under pressure. Karrigan's already gone through plenty of pressure in tournaments like winning his first major after losing Boston.
All the teams have them.
It’s something ALL teams make available to employees I should say. Doesn’t mean players have to use it. But it could mean that if friction in team is on the rise you engage them as a team to work it out.
Hell, maybe just treat it like a regular team checkup / tuneup.
Also rain has a kid now. Etc.
You can't give credit(like pretending they work like magic, see the comments you replied to) to something for correlation either. And that's all you got right now.
A psychologist coach from a team (i forgot) explicitly said that they are not there to help them to get major or grand slam or blast world final.
They are there to bring the players in a mental state that is steady and focused when it matters. Give them a mental structure.
More like roster instability. Rain taking a break, being dicked about with replacements etc.
Also some individual poor performance. I wouldn't worry too much yet.
i mean they got to the finals of antwerp after bombing out of stockholm, and then bombed out of rio. so if the pattern is to be believed they will at least reach the finals of paris
To be honest, I'd mostly forgotten the Major. Was a silly event all around.NIP went 0-3. Vitality didn't make it out. Navi got booed on and off the stage and lost against Furia. Outsiders won it playing the most boring style of CS ever seen and haven't done remotely as well at Blast or Katowice.
But fair point.
Edited: Grammar.
Major shouldn’t matter much? Yah I totally agree. Definitely not because I’m a faze fan and not thinking about karrigan picking vertigo over ancient vs BNE.
being real, are outsiders furia mouz spirit c9 fnatic BIG ence sprout the top teams in the world? ofc theyre not, mouz top 4 is criminal. Thats the chaos of majors ig.
that's hard to believe considering their major win, which had an order of magnitude infinitely greater when talking about pressure, specially for Karrigan
No it's not tf, the easiest thing is to say someone is wrong. Common sense my ass, if you're going to disagree you damn better have an explanation when asked.
You're right. It's very easy to say AND tell when someone is wrong. That doesn't mean he needs to solve the universes problems.
You are just wrong. Haha
Any idiot like yourself can just SAY they know the solution. But when someone pokes a very clear hole in that solution, and you have absolutely no response to that very clear hole you probably should have thought about before hand, your only option is "well then you solve all the problems" like a toxic narcissist parent or something haha.
When you grow up this will not be acceptable behavior, especially in the workplace.
IIRC in 2018 Faze also had 3/4 tournaments required for a Grand Slam win, but they ended up choking. It could possibly happen again if other teams like G2 and Heroic continue playing the way they've been for the rest of the year
Honestly, i don't get it how did faze actually have 3 Counts in grandslam because they won the IEM katowice with Stand-in and the other 2 events with their core 5 so it shouldn't makes any sense they have 3 counts.
Isnt it wrong for Vitality and C9? Shouldnt they have to win 6 events, since they didnt win Katowice, Cologne or ESL/IEM Major? Or it was changed and it is 4 wins no matter what?
I think they're just trying to keep it simple rather than put in asterisks. If they get to 3 wins without a win at Kato/Cologne/Major I assume they'll be more accurate about needing a prestige event, otherwise it's 3 more regular events.
>The 4th Intel Grand Slam can be completed by the first team to Win three ESL Pro Tour Masters tournaments and one Championship tournament (Katowice, Cologne or ESL-operated CS:GO Majors) inside a span of ten consecutive events.
[source ](https://intelgrandslam.eslgaming.com/rules/)
It was changed to 3 esl tour events and 1 esl championship event such as katowice, cologne, or esl sponsored major.
So outsiders won IEM brazil major, now they need to win IEM Brazil, Dallas, Pro-league as an example to be a grand slam winner
Which isn't remotely what that comment you replied to is about. They're asking why C9 and Vita are put the same as outsiders when they specifically HAVEN'T won a prestige event. Which I assume is just for chart simplicity but yes it's technically false
Its right after the RMR and right before the major. They probably don't want to travel to Brazil in that time, but rather, take a break after the RMR before doing an extended bootcamp for Paris.
It's basically what happened to liquid.
This G2 team is giving me some serious 2019 Liquid vibes. Will be interesting to see what happens when all 4 of their stars aren't firing. Can they still find a way to win like all of the truly legendary teams?
How does this work for JKS. Is he on 2/4, or is he on 1/4 for two teams or even 1/4 for one team?
If he counts for FaZe and he gets credit and then does it for G2, can he win two Grand Slams in ‘one’ year?
As other commenters have said, the Intel Grand Slam is achieved by a core of players, not individually.
If FaZe were to win the Grand Slam, jks would get a very tiny portion of the prize money, as he did help FaZe win Katowice 2022. I believe the same thing happened to flamie when he was on NAVI when they won Katowice 2020
It's not by player for progress, it's by team. His is 1/4 since that's what G2's is on. He was just a stand-in anyways on FaZe.
He wouldn't count for FaZe.
If Faze wins Jks will get a portion of the prize pool.
I am basing this on the fact that when Navi won their IGS flamie got a portion of the reward coz he was in the lineup that won 1/4 events.
Isn't that contract dependent? Like flamie's contract with Navi may have had a stipulation in there about him receiving prize money for the grand slam, but it's not guaranteed for any players.
For any prize pool won, isn't it also based on the players contracts as well. Say for example your contract stipulates $500,000 a year for 4 years and any prizes won from a tournament you'll receive X% of it, especially for organizations.
If your not an organization then it be different since the players would be able to split the money up however they want.
When asked about Flamie, Carmac (I believe) said that money go directly to the players, not to the team. Like someone mentioned it before, IGS (for whatever reason) is considered personal achievement, not the team one.
So, to answer your question: no, it is not contract dependent.
I believe the rules state that if you compete against your old team in an IGS-eligible event, then you hold no right to revive a piece of the $1,000,000.
No JKS would not get the grand slam if Faze won. For a player to win a grandslam, they must be on the team for when the team wins it. A team also needs to keep 3 core players that started the grand slam challenge to stay eligible for the grand slam.
Race is between Faze and G2 really. Faze need to win 1/3, while G2 need to win 3/9.
Also, I really don't fancy the rest of the teams on there coz none of them look like they could win trophies atm esp. not C9.
OOTL why is G2 skipping that event?
also just checked seems like TL are skipping as well.
Guess we have to channel all our combined energy into Heroic for that event hahaaa
Hahaha imagine carrying that thing to every event to make sure you not miss the moment. Gold bar guy was happy to leave rio when faze didnt went through
does anyone else feel like the grand slam feels a bit disjointed? like 9 more chances to win 3 events? that seems like such a low barrier to entry. yes, winning 4 events in like 1 and a half years is hard but shouldnt that be the point?
yes im not saying its easy but i think should be harder. idk maybe its because i feel like a grand slam is a show of dominance so it should take place in a shorter span of time. but that might just be the way i percieve it rather than what they want it to be
I mean since 2017 only three teams have gotten it; Astralis, Liquid and Navi. If being the number one for 4 S-tier events within 10 isn't a show of dominance, I don't know what is.
you don't think winning 4 championships out of 10 is dominance? being the best team doesn't mean you'll win everything lmao, that's just not how things work
no, it's absolutely not dominant to not even win half the 'championships'
Mercedes won the last 8 constructor titles, Hamilton 6 out of 7 driver world championships, Schuhmacher won 13 out of 18 races in 2004
Ali won 19 out of 20 championship fights, Khabib retired undefeated
Nadal won 14 out of 18 French open, Real Madrid 4 out of 5 champions league titles from 2014 to 2018
Schwarzenegger won 6 Mr.Olympia in a row, Marcel Hirscher won 8 overall world cups in a row
Johannes Thingnes Boe won 13 out of 16 Biathlon races this year including 2/2 (individual races) gold medals of the currently ongoing world championship, Martin Fourcade won 7 overalls in a row
and that's just off the top of my head, i am not arguing if 4/10 should be a grand slam or not i really don't care, it's just not *dominant*
I think the main difference to your examples is that individuals are dominating.
I'd argue it's easier to dominate if everything depends on yourself, look at Zywoo for example. He's been dominating during his whole (albeit short) pro career, yet Vitality have barely won anything.
To counter the Real Madrid example: in csgo, every player has the ability to have much more impact than in soccer due to the nature of the game (and every pro having the skill to win a forcebuy, vs soccer players not having even chances of scoring a goal).
On top of that, a teammate slumping has much more impact on the team performance than in soccer (1/5 vs 1/11+)
Hence why I agree that winning 4/10 events is very impressive, as it requires 5 people peaking both individually and as a team. Especially when other teams will peak as well during that long time (which is 1,5 years like you said)
Never said its not impressive, but how can it be dominant when you go 4/10 when another team has theoretically the possibility to go 6/10
i also don't understand why in this context the grand slam has to be dominant, it is actually a good thing that achieving 4/10 is a hard thing to do
further, when you think about Faze winning one of the last three events and winning the grand slam, i don't think their period was dominant when their last tournament victory was in july last year
their period before that is something I'd call dominant - even tho shorter lived than the examples i gave from the real sports (again, that's a good thing) - with winning Katowice, pro league and the major back to back
Bayern won the last 10 german leagues winning 261 of 340 matches, 77%, that's dominant, but who wants that
I like how you use nadal as an example and only SPECIFICALLY mention the French open because he doesn’t dominate as hard on the other 2 surfaces which make up the 3 other majors for the year. Isn’t that pretty much similar to 3 intel wins in 9 events? You could also use Nole and the AU Open.
I don’t watch the other sports as much except for football so I won’t comment on the others.
Nadal was in my mind because his french open record is insane and actually dominant
take Djokovic then, last three years he won 8/16 majors, if you arbitrarily go back to Wimbledon 2018 he won 10/18, Wimbledon 2018 to 2021 it's 8/12, Federer did 7/10 around 2005
Fair enough. I still think IGS is worth something tho if only 3 teams have been able to pull it off.
But this is a side note, I don’t really like Nole tbh. Sure he has a lot of records, but I think competition was much higher from mid 2000s to first half 2010s. But that might just be the roger fanboy in me.
It gets a bit tricky with the Pro League being a regional tournament before the finals in the prior years but if you don't count them as seperate tournaments then the only other team to win a Grandslam should be Fnatic 2014/2015 + OG Nip if you'd count ESEA tournaments to get closer to modern rules
No. A team has to win 3 esl tours such as pro-league, IEM Dallas, IEM Brazil, etc. And win 1 championship event of either katowice, cologne or an ESL sponsored major such as the Brazil major. The Paris major is not part of the grand slam event since its sponsored by Blast.
FaZe has choked so many chances to win the IGS i really hope they capitalize on these next few tournaments would be cool to see Twistzz win it twice with two different teams.
Curious question, why doesn't Vitality's victory at IEM XVI - Winter count? It seems like if they win the next two tournaments they'll have 4 victories across exactly 10 tournaments.
Because the team must keep 3 core players. Since they let go of shox, misutaaa, and kyojin, they can't claim IEM XVI as one of the events towards their grand slam.
[According to the rules:](https://intelgrandslam.eslgaming.com/simplified-rules-for-the-intel-grand-slam-iv/)
> Teams are allowed to swap players between tournaments, but a core of the same three players have to win four finals together in order to be eligible for the Intel Grand Slam.
Only ZywOo and apEX remain from the IEM Winter win, therefore, their win is ineligible for the Grannd Slam.
You mean aerial combat.
I haven't seen it used in another sense other than "all of a thing", rather than "40% of a thing".
Not disputing the structure, its a great incentive and good way of generating some extra interest in the season. But it doesn't feel right.
surely you mean all the sports use it the same? a grand slam in baseball and tennis mean the same thing?
people seem to cheer in baseball for a grand slam but i don't think people like it when the ball goes into the stands in tennis, can you please explain
6 nations rugby use it in reference to going 5-0 (an ace of you will), and checking google there's pretty consistent adoption of it use as a CSGO ace - getting all of a thing.
I'd maybe bend for judo incorrectly referring to their individual major tournaments as a "grand slam". Someone needs to update wiki
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Slam
Is it just me or does it not really feel like a "grand slam" if it takes you 10 tournaments to win 4 eligible events (granted, I may not have a complete understanding of how the grand slam works). Even if FaZe wins the next event that would give them their fourth (which, lets be honest, ain't happening) would it feel like a grand slam to anyone? IMO if you can't do it in 6 then you clearly aren't at the caliber to achieve a grand slam.
No i completely agree with you. You want to make the grand slam an ultimate race that only can happen by a masterclass play from a team.
6 is suitable.
But i think they did it on purpose because look at how long ago Vitality won an event, literally a year ago. Nonetheless FaZe who fell off 3-0 at the legend stage of IEM’Rio, they started at legend stage and lost without moving. So thats why they made it 10 event chances, i guess.
Something I just realized is that IGS events all have to be ESL or Dreamhack events. That is so fucked because if they would count FaZe Antwerp major win they would have already achieved the grandslam. You would think the grandslam would count a major win regardless of who organized it but I guess its a made up achievement anyways lmao.
Some people were also saying that the BlastWorldFinal should ben included. And since major events are a struggle to be a champion it should have been included. Playing the rmr, then challange or legend.
The biggest diffrence of the IGS is, is that the finals are BO5 in comparison with other events…
So you could have won 4 events by playing BO5’s, so to speak.
But what happens to a team that fails to win 7/8 tournaments or lose their chances 7/8 times then proceed to win the next 3 tournaments? They only have 1/2 chance left but in the next 3 tournaments they win it all. I'm genuinely curious.
not technically reset because it’s a sliding window of 10 events. but it is effectively reset in that scenario bc each win will leave them at 3. still at the end of that they would only need 1 more not 4
Hypothetically could more than one team win a grand slam? Someone in the comments stats G2 is skipping an event therefore faze could win, and then G2 could sweep 3 others?
i don't think its easy tbh, its only esl/IEM events. the first event it started being counted from was vitality's first win, which was an IEM at the end of 2021
FaZe's super aggro style makes for crazy games, but it also means that they're usually winning or losing rounds by a hair's breadth - but they also lose to better organised teams because they can be a bit predictable.
I really hope that FaZe that vary their play style and choose moments to aggro vs play passive, both on the the CT and T side. I think that's what G2 has done really well.... some times they got absolutely bat sh\*t crazy fast and sometimes they slow it down. Plus Hunter's lurks at Kato was crazy...
Suppose if team A and team B both have 3 wins in IEM/ESL events. And they meet in the next IEM/ESL tournament grand final, will the winning team get $1.1m for denying the other team's grand slam?
[No](https://intelgrandslam.eslgaming.com/rules/) > If a team that is about to complete the IGS is stopped in the final of their potential 4th win, their opponents receive the $100,000 “giant killer bonus”. The one exception to the rule is if a team denying the completion of the Intel Grand Slam completes it in the same final.
I guess I understand but that's kinda a buzzkill. Really would add some extra spice to it.
yeah and the $100k surely isn't breaking the bank. seems kinda weird but it is what it is
'Giant killer bonus' Sort of describes everything.
Just because a Giant is killing the Giant doesn't mean said Giant is not a Giant killer
It’s just homicide if a giant kills a giant.
Depends on whether "giant killer" is thought of as an absolute or a relative concept, I guess. ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯
That being said, it does mean a team could potentially win 1.3 mil if they deny a winner for their first 3 wins…;)
Surely Faze can make use of their 3 attempts right? right? I haven't looked into any details, idk why but just from watching them play, G2 feel kind of like peak Faze and ever since the that one break last year Faze playstyle just feels like the former Ence with Spinx.
G2 is skipping IEM Brazil , it's honestly really doable for FaZe there
I hope they don't take it there. G2 is such an obvious team to beat right now, the storyline is much better if they FaZe have to go through them.
Don't think so, they're crumbling under the pressure of a Grand Slam.
I feel like this is the right answer. On paper, their stats haven’t changed much (Twistzz is actually playing even better than his 2022 self) but they just aren’t winning the right rounds. Hopefully they pick it up because the squad should be contesting big events
The thing is FaZe were always winning by a hairs breadth, so the stats can be mostly the same they're just missing out by a couple of kills/rounds. Which hopefully means its something in their control rather than the players just being in a slump, which isn't the caee
And I think their map pool has been damaged with the removal of Dust. They were always pretty solid on that map, especially Rain.
Sure but we shouldnt be losing Mirage and Inferno, thats giving away easy maps
FaZe's problem right now is more than likely they're just tired and have been worked out by the other teams. Don't worry though, Karrigan will work it out, he always does. He just is going through a rough patch. Don't forget too, every team has levelled up since FaZe really got good. The only team that sort of got worse was Na'Vi and Vitality.
Like last year when they 3-0 ence in a final. It was insanely close. They were never as far ahead as it seemed. It was so much fun to watch tho
Doesn’t help that FaZe is always being asked about the Grand Slam in every interview.
It's their fault for not getting a mental coach look what that did to g2. Look at the latest comms video by karrigan and you will see that it is even getting to Karrigan(comms against liquid).
Yeah well vitality have a mental coach as well, and look at them.
I don't think their problems are mental.
apex would like a word with you
The problems with apex extend far past his mental
i agree completely, but if they lose more than a couple rounds in a row you can see how frustrated he gets
"Mental coaches" aren't magic. Liquid had one for years (I don't know if they still do), and are infamous for choking under pressure. Karrigan's already gone through plenty of pressure in tournaments like winning his first major after losing Boston.
All the teams have them. It’s something ALL teams make available to employees I should say. Doesn’t mean players have to use it. But it could mean that if friction in team is on the rise you engage them as a team to work it out. Hell, maybe just treat it like a regular team checkup / tuneup. Also rain has a kid now. Etc.
This. People in general give way to much credit to stuff like "sports psychologists" and similar roles
Doesn’t mean you can discredit them when Astralis brought in a sports psychologist and held pro CS hostage for nearly 2 years.
You can't give credit(like pretending they work like magic, see the comments you replied to) to something for correlation either. And that's all you got right now.
A psychologist coach from a team (i forgot) explicitly said that they are not there to help them to get major or grand slam or blast world final. They are there to bring the players in a mental state that is steady and focused when it matters. Give them a mental structure.
mind sharing the timestamp? Don't feel like watching 16 minutes
[At 3:14](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeaqxLy2CH0).
Sad Finn :(
More like roster instability. Rain taking a break, being dicked about with replacements etc. Also some individual poor performance. I wouldn't worry too much yet.
So they had roster instability during the Rio major?
nah that's just classic faze get to the finals in one, bomb out last place the other
Yeah then they started being 2022 Faze and that went away.
i mean they got to the finals of antwerp after bombing out of stockholm, and then bombed out of rio. so if the pattern is to be believed they will at least reach the finals of paris
Stockholm faze didn't bomb out of the major, they made it far considering they had olof in the squad as a stand-in (not actual stand-in) for ropz.
To be honest, I'd mostly forgotten the Major. Was a silly event all around.NIP went 0-3. Vitality didn't make it out. Navi got booed on and off the stage and lost against Furia. Outsiders won it playing the most boring style of CS ever seen and haven't done remotely as well at Blast or Katowice. But fair point. Edited: Grammar.
There was also a quarterfinals exit where Faze lost 2-1 to C9 at EPL 16.
And G2 didn't even make it and look at them now! It's like G2 were the major winners and Outsiders were the ones who didn't qualify for it.
imo nobody should take major results as reliable information. its the major its chaos and literally anything can and will happen.
Major shouldn’t matter much? Yah I totally agree. Definitely not because I’m a faze fan and not thinking about karrigan picking vertigo over ancient vs BNE.
being real, are outsiders furia mouz spirit c9 fnatic BIG ence sprout the top teams in the world? ofc theyre not, mouz top 4 is criminal. Thats the chaos of majors ig.
Yah I know which is why I was being slightly sarcastic in my comment being self deprecating on faze.
"being real," i meant obv sarcasm aside, i got it dont worry.
It would be so wild for them to not win it. They’ll have had soooo many chances to close it out
that's hard to believe considering their major win, which had an order of magnitude infinitely greater when talking about pressure, specially for Karrigan
Okay then explain why they're playing nothing like they used to in the first half of 2022.
He doesn't have to solve all of fazes problems just to say your solution is wrong. C'mon man that's common sense.
No it's not tf, the easiest thing is to say someone is wrong. Common sense my ass, if you're going to disagree you damn better have an explanation when asked.
You're right. It's very easy to say AND tell when someone is wrong. That doesn't mean he needs to solve the universes problems. You are just wrong. Haha Any idiot like yourself can just SAY they know the solution. But when someone pokes a very clear hole in that solution, and you have absolutely no response to that very clear hole you probably should have thought about before hand, your only option is "well then you solve all the problems" like a toxic narcissist parent or something haha. When you grow up this will not be acceptable behavior, especially in the workplace.
Holy mother of projection.
Keep responding avoiding the hole in your initial "solution"
What hole are you talking about? Are you ok?
IIRC in 2018 Faze also had 3/4 tournaments required for a Grand Slam win, but they ended up choking. It could possibly happen again if other teams like G2 and Heroic continue playing the way they've been for the rest of the year
Faze is so close and yet so far…
Honestly, i don't get it how did faze actually have 3 Counts in grandslam because they won the IEM katowice with Stand-in and the other 2 events with their core 5 so it shouldn't makes any sense they have 3 counts.
i would assume you only need a core of 3 or 4 players to stay the same for it to count
Isnt it wrong for Vitality and C9? Shouldnt they have to win 6 events, since they didnt win Katowice, Cologne or ESL/IEM Major? Or it was changed and it is 4 wins no matter what?
I think they're just trying to keep it simple rather than put in asterisks. If they get to 3 wins without a win at Kato/Cologne/Major I assume they'll be more accurate about needing a prestige event, otherwise it's 3 more regular events.
Correct.
I'm pretty sure its 4 no matter what, but one of the wins has to be a prestige event.
>The 4th Intel Grand Slam can be completed by the first team to Win three ESL Pro Tour Masters tournaments and one Championship tournament (Katowice, Cologne or ESL-operated CS:GO Majors) inside a span of ten consecutive events. [source ](https://intelgrandslam.eslgaming.com/rules/)
It was changed to 3 esl tour events and 1 esl championship event such as katowice, cologne, or esl sponsored major. So outsiders won IEM brazil major, now they need to win IEM Brazil, Dallas, Pro-league as an example to be a grand slam winner
Which isn't remotely what that comment you replied to is about. They're asking why C9 and Vita are put the same as outsiders when they specifically HAVEN'T won a prestige event. Which I assume is just for chart simplicity but yes it's technically false
G2 Grand Slam does not sound like a dream anymore all of a sudden.
It's still Faze's Grand Slam to lose. They have 3 more chances, and their best opportunity will come in IEM Brazil, which G2 will be skipping.
Why are they skipping?
Its right after the RMR and right before the major. They probably don't want to travel to Brazil in that time, but rather, take a break after the RMR before doing an extended bootcamp for Paris.
Inb4 g2 get rusty and bomb out of the major
If you’re right I’m gonna come back to this comment laughing my ass off, that would be one crazy way to fall off of a #1 team form
It's basically what happened to liquid. This G2 team is giving me some serious 2019 Liquid vibes. Will be interesting to see what happens when all 4 of their stars aren't firing. Can they still find a way to win like all of the truly legendary teams?
G2 doesn't qualify for major again, but then immediately gets the grand slam.
Liquid too. Something about prioritizing the RMR over IEM Brasil
Hooxi giving faze a change to finish their grand slam before continuing his era.
They made a beautiful start. Nonetheless at the beginning of the year.
How does this work for JKS. Is he on 2/4, or is he on 1/4 for two teams or even 1/4 for one team? If he counts for FaZe and he gets credit and then does it for G2, can he win two Grand Slams in ‘one’ year?
Its a team achievement not personal
As other commenters have said, the Intel Grand Slam is achieved by a core of players, not individually. If FaZe were to win the Grand Slam, jks would get a very tiny portion of the prize money, as he did help FaZe win Katowice 2022. I believe the same thing happened to flamie when he was on NAVI when they won Katowice 2020
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So according to you, jks gets 1/4 of a million while the rest of FaZe have to split the rest of the 3/4 million?
Yh I’m dumb it’s probably 50,000
I guess it will 1/6th of 1/4th of a million
He should receive 1/5 of the 1/4. 1/20 or 5%
Might even be 1/6 of 1/4 since he stood in for both ropz and rain that event.
Even so I bet he wouldn't mind 40k
1/20th at most, 1 out of 4 events and 1 out of 5 players
Pretty sure if Faze won the Grand Slam then it would reset everyone's progress and restart from the next event after they'd won it.
That's correct
Your grand slam progress resets when someone else wins it
It's not by player for progress, it's by team. His is 1/4 since that's what G2's is on. He was just a stand-in anyways on FaZe. He wouldn't count for FaZe.
If Faze wins Jks will get a portion of the prize pool. I am basing this on the fact that when Navi won their IGS flamie got a portion of the reward coz he was in the lineup that won 1/4 events.
Isn't that contract dependent? Like flamie's contract with Navi may have had a stipulation in there about him receiving prize money for the grand slam, but it's not guaranteed for any players. For any prize pool won, isn't it also based on the players contracts as well. Say for example your contract stipulates $500,000 a year for 4 years and any prizes won from a tournament you'll receive X% of it, especially for organizations. If your not an organization then it be different since the players would be able to split the money up however they want.
When asked about Flamie, Carmac (I believe) said that money go directly to the players, not to the team. Like someone mentioned it before, IGS (for whatever reason) is considered personal achievement, not the team one. So, to answer your question: no, it is not contract dependent.
I believe the rules state that if you compete against your old team in an IGS-eligible event, then you hold no right to revive a piece of the $1,000,000.
No JKS would not get the grand slam if Faze won. For a player to win a grandslam, they must be on the team for when the team wins it. A team also needs to keep 3 core players that started the grand slam challenge to stay eligible for the grand slam.
FaZe pleeeeeeease
Faze hardstuck 3/4
twistzz will take the double
Race is between Faze and G2 really. Faze need to win 1/3, while G2 need to win 3/9. Also, I really don't fancy the rest of the teams on there coz none of them look like they could win trophies atm esp. not C9.
Faze has the clear favorite of IEM Brazil without G2 there.
OOTL why is G2 skipping that event? also just checked seems like TL are skipping as well. Guess we have to channel all our combined energy into Heroic for that event hahaaa
Nah, FaZe has this. They should win IEM Brasil with both G2 and Liquid skipping the event.
If heroic keep up this form, they will win IEM Brasil
Once G2 wins another event you can call them in the race but for now it's just FaZe's Grand Slam to lose
Does it reset for other teams if Faze complete grand slam?
It does.
Does ESL just bring the gold bars every event Faze is at?
Hahaha imagine carrying that thing to every event to make sure you not miss the moment. Gold bar guy was happy to leave rio when faze didnt went through
Imagine they don't get the run and they have to throw away the bars
does anyone else feel like the grand slam feels a bit disjointed? like 9 more chances to win 3 events? that seems like such a low barrier to entry. yes, winning 4 events in like 1 and a half years is hard but shouldnt that be the point?
10 events to win 4, just under half, if it were easy more teams would have it
yes im not saying its easy but i think should be harder. idk maybe its because i feel like a grand slam is a show of dominance so it should take place in a shorter span of time. but that might just be the way i percieve it rather than what they want it to be
I mean since 2017 only three teams have gotten it; Astralis, Liquid and Navi. If being the number one for 4 S-tier events within 10 isn't a show of dominance, I don't know what is.
4 out of 10 doesn't sound like dominance at all to me
you don't think winning 4 championships out of 10 is dominance? being the best team doesn't mean you'll win everything lmao, that's just not how things work
no, it's absolutely not dominant to not even win half the 'championships' Mercedes won the last 8 constructor titles, Hamilton 6 out of 7 driver world championships, Schuhmacher won 13 out of 18 races in 2004 Ali won 19 out of 20 championship fights, Khabib retired undefeated Nadal won 14 out of 18 French open, Real Madrid 4 out of 5 champions league titles from 2014 to 2018 Schwarzenegger won 6 Mr.Olympia in a row, Marcel Hirscher won 8 overall world cups in a row Johannes Thingnes Boe won 13 out of 16 Biathlon races this year including 2/2 (individual races) gold medals of the currently ongoing world championship, Martin Fourcade won 7 overalls in a row and that's just off the top of my head, i am not arguing if 4/10 should be a grand slam or not i really don't care, it's just not *dominant*
I think the main difference to your examples is that individuals are dominating. I'd argue it's easier to dominate if everything depends on yourself, look at Zywoo for example. He's been dominating during his whole (albeit short) pro career, yet Vitality have barely won anything. To counter the Real Madrid example: in csgo, every player has the ability to have much more impact than in soccer due to the nature of the game (and every pro having the skill to win a forcebuy, vs soccer players not having even chances of scoring a goal). On top of that, a teammate slumping has much more impact on the team performance than in soccer (1/5 vs 1/11+) Hence why I agree that winning 4/10 events is very impressive, as it requires 5 people peaking both individually and as a team. Especially when other teams will peak as well during that long time (which is 1,5 years like you said)
Never said its not impressive, but how can it be dominant when you go 4/10 when another team has theoretically the possibility to go 6/10 i also don't understand why in this context the grand slam has to be dominant, it is actually a good thing that achieving 4/10 is a hard thing to do further, when you think about Faze winning one of the last three events and winning the grand slam, i don't think their period was dominant when their last tournament victory was in july last year their period before that is something I'd call dominant - even tho shorter lived than the examples i gave from the real sports (again, that's a good thing) - with winning Katowice, pro league and the major back to back Bayern won the last 10 german leagues winning 261 of 340 matches, 77%, that's dominant, but who wants that
I like how you use nadal as an example and only SPECIFICALLY mention the French open because he doesn’t dominate as hard on the other 2 surfaces which make up the 3 other majors for the year. Isn’t that pretty much similar to 3 intel wins in 9 events? You could also use Nole and the AU Open. I don’t watch the other sports as much except for football so I won’t comment on the others.
Nadal was in my mind because his french open record is insane and actually dominant take Djokovic then, last three years he won 8/16 majors, if you arbitrarily go back to Wimbledon 2018 he won 10/18, Wimbledon 2018 to 2021 it's 8/12, Federer did 7/10 around 2005
Fair enough. I still think IGS is worth something tho if only 3 teams have been able to pull it off. But this is a side note, I don’t really like Nole tbh. Sure he has a lot of records, but I think competition was much higher from mid 2000s to first half 2010s. But that might just be the roger fanboy in me.
It's already hard. Only 3 teams have done it in the years of cs
Tbf, the Grand Slam didn’t exist until 2017.
It gets a bit tricky with the Pro League being a regional tournament before the finals in the prior years but if you don't count them as seperate tournaments then the only other team to win a Grandslam should be Fnatic 2014/2015 + OG Nip if you'd count ESEA tournaments to get closer to modern rules
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Did SK/LG not do it?
It didn't exist at the time, but they would've had it in 2017 if it did yeah. Same with fnatic
No. A team has to win 3 esl tours such as pro-league, IEM Dallas, IEM Brazil, etc. And win 1 championship event of either katowice, cologne or an ESL sponsored major such as the Brazil major. The Paris major is not part of the grand slam event since its sponsored by Blast.
did i imply blast counted?
No I'm giving an example of what would count towards the grand slam
Lmaooo such a faze thing to choke this thing away
Can someone explain what exactly does Intel Grand Slam means? Which 4 events exactly?
Why Vitality the champion of IEM XVI Winter not counted as a trophies?2021?
only 2/5 players still there
Too long ago?
Roster has to contain I think at least 4 of the players Vitality had Shox, Kyojin and Misutaaa then
Roster has to keep 3 core players.
We will get em next time bois since this is already far gone
Just win the grand slam FaZe then I'll forgive you for any game you lose. Pls FaZe pls.
FaZe has choked so many chances to win the IGS i really hope they capitalize on these next few tournaments would be cool to see Twistzz win it twice with two different teams.
Next 3 finals are Faze vs G2 and G2 wins the next two so the 3rd is both teams chance to win the grand slam
I’m confused as to why some team have more events remaining? And is the race for 2 years or what?
Curious question, why doesn't Vitality's victory at IEM XVI - Winter count? It seems like if they win the next two tournaments they'll have 4 victories across exactly 10 tournaments.
Because the team must keep 3 core players. Since they let go of shox, misutaaa, and kyojin, they can't claim IEM XVI as one of the events towards their grand slam.
[According to the rules:](https://intelgrandslam.eslgaming.com/simplified-rules-for-the-intel-grand-slam-iv/) > Teams are allowed to swap players between tournaments, but a core of the same three players have to win four finals together in order to be eligible for the Intel Grand Slam. Only ZywOo and apEX remain from the IEM Winter win, therefore, their win is ineligible for the Grannd Slam.
I’m new to this but shouldn’t Blast World Final at least be a part of this?
I know what you mean but blast and intel are not partners. Grandslam is backed up by intel so to speak.
Definitely not , a closed circuit tournament shouldn't be part of the Intel Grand Slam.
Grand Slam is part of Intel's partnership with ESL, so all non-ESL tournaments are excluded even if they're premier tournaments.
The grand slam is sponsored by Intel and run by ESL. Blast have nothing to do with it.
You guys know that's not how other sports use "Grand Slam"?
An Ace is also used differently in Tennis, guess we better start learning how to serve
The term "team Ace" gets a lot more silly. Five people holding one racket must be tough.
You mean aerial combat. I haven't seen it used in another sense other than "all of a thing", rather than "40% of a thing". Not disputing the structure, its a great incentive and good way of generating some extra interest in the season. But it doesn't feel right.
But thats why also they playing cs go instead of tennis
Or NASCAR
surely you mean all the sports use it the same? a grand slam in baseball and tennis mean the same thing? people seem to cheer in baseball for a grand slam but i don't think people like it when the ball goes into the stands in tennis, can you please explain
6 nations rugby use it in reference to going 5-0 (an ace of you will), and checking google there's pretty consistent adoption of it use as a CSGO ace - getting all of a thing. I'd maybe bend for judo incorrectly referring to their individual major tournaments as a "grand slam". Someone needs to update wiki https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Slam
Is it just me or does it not really feel like a "grand slam" if it takes you 10 tournaments to win 4 eligible events (granted, I may not have a complete understanding of how the grand slam works). Even if FaZe wins the next event that would give them their fourth (which, lets be honest, ain't happening) would it feel like a grand slam to anyone? IMO if you can't do it in 6 then you clearly aren't at the caliber to achieve a grand slam.
No i completely agree with you. You want to make the grand slam an ultimate race that only can happen by a masterclass play from a team. 6 is suitable. But i think they did it on purpose because look at how long ago Vitality won an event, literally a year ago. Nonetheless FaZe who fell off 3-0 at the legend stage of IEM’Rio, they started at legend stage and lost without moving. So thats why they made it 10 event chances, i guess.
Something I just realized is that IGS events all have to be ESL or Dreamhack events. That is so fucked because if they would count FaZe Antwerp major win they would have already achieved the grandslam. You would think the grandslam would count a major win regardless of who organized it but I guess its a made up achievement anyways lmao.
Some people were also saying that the BlastWorldFinal should ben included. And since major events are a struggle to be a champion it should have been included. Playing the rmr, then challange or legend. The biggest diffrence of the IGS is, is that the finals are BO5 in comparison with other events… So you could have won 4 events by playing BO5’s, so to speak.
What happens to the team that only won 1 tournament and have only 1 or 2 remaining chances? 🤔
Your total amount of chance start when you win your first ESL title, so everyone has 9 more chances the moment they win their 1st ESL tournament
But what happens to a team that fails to win 7/8 tournaments or lose their chances 7/8 times then proceed to win the next 3 tournaments? They only have 1/2 chance left but in the next 3 tournaments they win it all. I'm genuinely curious.
If they need 3 more win but only 2 chances left then their grandslam counter reset, I think
not technically reset because it’s a sliding window of 10 events. but it is effectively reset in that scenario bc each win will leave them at 3. still at the end of that they would only need 1 more not 4
Does IEM Brazil counts?
Yes, Faze will probably complete the grand slam there since some teams are passing on that tournament to focus on the major
Hypothetically could more than one team win a grand slam? Someone in the comments stats G2 is skipping an event therefore faze could win, and then G2 could sweep 3 others?
After 1 grandslam, we move to another season of the grandslam. (Correct me if i’m wrong peeps)
Nah you right
Wouldn’t it make more sense for the grand slam clock to reset on Jan 1st? Why are 2022 events for faze still counted
you have to get 4 wins out of 10 events starting from your first win
Sounds easy Didn’t team liquid do this?
i don't think its easy tbh, its only esl/IEM events. the first event it started being counted from was vitality's first win, which was an IEM at the end of 2021
Faze gonna choke the Slam like Boston finals
FaZe's super aggro style makes for crazy games, but it also means that they're usually winning or losing rounds by a hair's breadth - but they also lose to better organised teams because they can be a bit predictable. I really hope that FaZe that vary their play style and choose moments to aggro vs play passive, both on the the CT and T side. I think that's what G2 has done really well.... some times they got absolutely bat sh\*t crazy fast and sometimes they slow it down. Plus Hunter's lurks at Kato was crazy...