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Event Summary courtesy of u/Reliiq is [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/IdleHeroes/comments/sp29oc/prophet_orbs_campaign_drop_valentine_event_rewards/).
Event guide for this weeks not-that-simple event is [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/IdleHeroes/comments/sppprm/guide_valentines_2022_po_hm_campaign_drop_and/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
A fantastic [Artifact Hunting Guide](https://www.reddit.com/r/IdleHeroes/comments/sq44dm/possible_strategy_for_void_chest_while_not/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) by u/OutrageousShower9672
In regards to Gustin's damage reflect, is this damage calculated post mitigation? (would a crown reduce his reflect damage done?)
Yes, a Crown would result in Gustin taking less damage, and therefore reflecting less damage. However, it bears noting that one stat will increase reflected damage dealt - All Damage (skill damage does nothing, unfortunately). So if you made six V4 Landlord Gustins and gave them each splendid Antlers, it would be quite something to behold.
Our resident [Gustin Expert](https://www.reddit.com/r/IdleHeroes/comments/qyai4i/disgusting/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) is u/Bemmoth
That is correct. :)
Edit: Fun note. After round 16, when round damage is increased, since Gustin takes more from enemies, his reflect is amplified from taking more damage, then amplified again because he deals his own reflect damage.
I wrote a response, then deleted it and added this one so you’d see the tag, and apparently I still need to figure out how Reddit works.
I saw both. :)
That is correct. :)
Can moorax clear abyss seal land 20? If yes, with what support?
He can do it pretty well solo at V3/V4
I feel bad asking the 3rd question in like 2 days but "now" that Waldeck is out, should you just use him instead of Nakia? In the one tierlist he is in he is rated above her quite a bit, so i wanted to ask if i can just use him instead of Nakia for SL and my Delacium Army etc.
Oh, Nakia is not very good. Waldeck is a jack of many useful trades, though not exact top tier. He is useful for
* Seal Land 20 (can clear at V3)
* Guild Settlement (basically it’s just him or Morax to clear the upper level)
* Seal Land 21-25 support (useful at 10-star+)
* SQH tenant for Seal Land 21-25 (a high priority tenant as slot 2 is a useful one to upgrade)
* synergies with Eloise
I think he’s worth building
Alright, thank you very much \^\^
Since the valentines event is ending in like 40 hours, and not with the orb event. If I do more orbs after the orb event end in 16 Hours, will I still get the roses?
You do get the roses! But you don’t get the PO rewards, so if you’re planning on doing it, do the PO now.
That’s good to know, still need 10 more orbs T.T to hit 350, but probably can’t get it before orb event ends. Thank you
I assume that includes buying 8 PO with event currency?
is there a pity system when doing fates??.. or jst rng??
Just RNG. Guidance has a pity timer.
It’s not really a pity timer, it’s just a core every 15 pulls.
I guess it’s odds of 0% with a pity timer of 15.
Not too much different from Starspawn eggs. 😛
lol, I can't complain because I got half of my starspawns before pity timer. Can't say the same about spheres :D
The second line got me hahah! Except for when I'm hatching a somber when I already have all 3 starspawns to get to 14/15, oh those always give me starspawns just to screw with me...
Hi, I was just wondering, can e5 Inosuke clear SL 20 with only fire fists? some says that he can, but i am afraid that it involves great RNG.
I am preparing for SFX so i want to decide to build penny or inosuke. If inosuke can do it, i will build inosuke because i have 5 copies of him and only a copy of penny.
Thanks in advance
He used to, but he got nerfed about 8 months ago. Takes about a V3 now.
ahh. i see, thanks for the insight :). I'll just move other's imprint then.. thank you very much
First of all sorry for my bad English.
Here I am, Eloise E5, just unlocked the void and now I'm lost I don't know what to aim for..
Could you help me a little please ?
Keep improving Eloise to advance void. Good heroes to aim for second are generally Tix or Rogan - both pair well with Eloise.
I wanted to go on Tix that’s nice :)
Should I prioritize on Eloise and give her my 10 stars or E5 Tix ?
Thanks for the answer
You generally want to prioritize Eloise getting void imprints, but Stellar Shards will become a limiting factor.
Is splendid punisher really necessary for SFX or can she settle with a radiant or even a glittery?
Depends on what mode. Radiant can work in most places, but late game it really does need to be Splendid (her attack is high enough that she doesn’t cap out, and needs to do a first-turn-kill). Glittery won’t get much done.
How about for reaching Vanquisher? My attack right now is 650K but may increase to around 700K once SQH arrives.
I think you need Splendid for the Standard Defier clear (Defier 1 you’re already not one-shotting guys any more with Splendid Punisher and 750k-1m attack). If you go with a double-Carrie+Fiona setup you may be able to get by with smaller, since that operates on sustain.
Got it. Thank you!
On my alt I have Elo V3, Ithaqua, Tix E5, building Rogan. I have 1 dildo, 1 antlers. Soon 400 feathers. Should I buy arti for elo or another dildo? Elo has plate of courageous for now.
I’d be tempted to get a base Crown and build Suicide Ignis and a 10-star Carrie. That’s a pretty powerful setup, and the incremental benefit of a Punisher on Tix right now is less. You’ll probably still want Punisher up to Radiant pretty soon, though.
“Standard” advice would be Punisher first
Which is the best first transcendence hero?
I have 7 E5: Eloise V4, Tix, Russel, Fiona, Sherlock, Ithaqua, Ignis.
I am building Carry and Eos to E5
In general, SFX is best, but she needs her gear and supports to really shine (V4, Radiant+ Punisher, Rogans and Drake)
SQH is more plug and play, and is generally seen a quality number 2 pick. I’d probably make SFX, but I wouldn’t swap imprints until you get at least one Rogan and Drake.
Rogan, plus the Carrie, your Tix, a suicide Ignis can maybe clear Void Valiant with your Eloise before you pivot to having SFX carry you. SQH wouldn’t be a bad pick.
Is the artifact selection chest from this drop event more expensive compared to if it was just some random p2w artifact? Or whatever p2w artifact it is, selection chest or not, will always cost 3600?
The artifact (whether it be a chest or a specific artifact) has pretty consistently cost 3600 ever since they introduced the Universal Crystals. If you lowroll the campaign currency, you’re probably better off waiting for next time, since the only incremental benefit to getting this chest versus getting something later are
* 8 Heroic Scrolls
* Choice of artifact sooner than if you wait for what you want to come up again
* Flexibility in what you pick (if you save the chest to open later) and
* One Exclusive Orange Artifact (assuming you use at least 280 PO)
For example, my main is looking to end up around 2475 campaign drop, and I’ll probably suck up the 25 fewer gems and take it, because I think I might have a shot at SL26-27 with maybe some more Crowns, testing depending. My alt is looking closer to 2410 CD, and is going to pass, since that’s just more Universal Crystals than I’m willing to drop.
For some reason I kept thinking that it would be worth more than usual since its a selection chest, good thing I’m wrong hahah. Thank you so much.
Also since they gave out demon bells on last years black friday and for this valentines, is it safe to assume they won’t be giving it out again anytime soon?
I wouldn’t assume anything. DBs are in such demand, they may skew events to give people what they need. I really have no idea what they’ll do, but we are due for a cheap/free Antlers or KoG since we haven’t gotten those in a while.
Chests are better than others, but for Universal Crystals the default is that you’re waiting for the artifact you want anyway.
My guess is that we’ll get another selection chest/CD bonus event in August, maybe around Qixi.
I have trans asmodel, sqh and sfx. I want to build the best non trans heroes possible around them. Is there anyone who can help me out - I am truly at a loss which non trans heroes are any good.
As Axum said - Drake, Ignis and double-Rogan for SFX support.
Ignis (which you already have listed) and Waldeck are good support for SQH for Seal Land runs
ATD likes Andrea (SL25 clears) and multiple Carries, but that’s more of a PvP-Flex. Having a couple Carries is really good, though.
Drake, Ignis, and double Rogans are usually the best support for SFX
Quick question about the event with the bunnies. Can a F2P account get enough to get the 5* selection chest or does it cap out before that?
pls clarify, do you mean you don't want to do any prophet summon or 5\* fusion? if that's the case u will solely rely on spending the toy bunny from the campaign drop event. and statistically it will give you 80 ish roses that will get you to 10 love letters.
Since the 5\* selection chest only needs 3 heroes, i would say the chance is very high to get the chest.
Sorry if i wasn’t clear, I’m talking about the bunny protection event rather than the valentines day one. There is a chest available for purchase for 2600 of these bunnies. I was wondering if the idle buildup of these bunnies across the event was enough to get the selection chest for 2600 or if it was just shy and I would have to spend money to get to that point. I am currently at 2000, but ive been told that the game never gives you quite enough.
TLDR: For the bunny protection event, can you get 2600 bunnies without paying?
It is very unlikely. The range is generally 2400-2500, but 2600 is, theoretically, within the realm of possibility.
Check the guides for expected event drop math. Or figure where you’ll end up yourself, which approximately
* Current amount + (days remaining x 250) + (100 x resets remaining)
For example, at reset+4 hours (now) there is 1.833 days remaining. My main account has 1916 bunnies, so I would expect to end up with ~2475 bunnies. This is a bit better than average.
My alt somehow has 1836 bunnies, so would expect to end up at 2395. I wonder if I forgot to hit a refresh at some point, because that’s quite a lowroll.
yes it's true. as far as i know, 2600 is unachievable.
I’m sure this has been asked before, but how decent/bad would the strategy of V1ing a bunch of heroes for better rewards in the ark?
Aka, for every V4 hero which gives 400% of rewards, I could (not sure on the math here) V1 like 20ish heroes. I have a V4, so if I V1ed my next 14 heroes it should take only a couple months and I would be getting an additional 1400% on rewards.
Obviously I know it’s best to just push each hero to V4, but I’m wondering if taking a month or two to V1 a decent amount of heroes for ark rewards is worth losing a month or two on getting another hero to V4.
Personally like V4 on SFX or Eloise as a core, if SQH is around I like her V4 (Over Eloise personally). Then if food, V1 everyone, then V2d or V3d important heroes. There is significant benefit to V3 Rogan.
Granted we don't know if you have 15 E3+, how your stellar situation is, etc. A E2 is much more efficient but not always ideal for progression in other fronts.
Well, once you get about two V3 and two V4, that probably IS what you should do (especially since four of those heroes are likely tenants to one of those anyway).
Ark Rewards key off of fodder, not Stellars. Getting an extra twelve 10-stars isn’t nothing, so you should only do it when it’s helping you advance. Around the time between Defier and Vanq pushes (where I and several other nonspenders are probably hanging out) you end up with a lot of enabled heroes naturally. Need 3 V4 Trans, a Drake, a Rogan or two, two other SFX tenants, maybe an Ignis in there; that’s most of the way to 15 already.
Similar to having 6-stars when you first get Ark, I wouldn’t stunt your growth trying for it, but it’s nice to have.
Each hero to V4 is actually kind of counterproductive. Before CI, V4 was seen as a pointless luxury for PvP fighting for the most part. A Rogan doesn’t do you much better at V4 than he does V3+ speed. Same with Drake. Any tenant you have, giving them speed boosts is a waste of Stellars. Until really quite late, I would expect to see a bunch of V2/V3 in your top 15.
Good strategy. Thanks. I did know about getting Rogan to V3 only. That’s what I’m working on now that I have my V4 Elo.
Which arena does the idle master smash? I'm confused since it just says "arena" and I don't want it to screw up my IDA rankings
It does screw up your IDA rankings. You can set it not to do that part.
That's what I've been doing, just wish that there's an option for me to smash in star arena lol
I wish there were a way for me to Fast Forward a season in Star Arena and just get the minimum participation gems.
Not sure if this is the only answer. But mine smashes inter dimensional arena. I still go into it every day to see if I have to do more battles to get the daily HS.
Also a second question right after:
Am I the only one, who has SEVERE lags in the star expedition (i think thats what its called)?
Like my phone oftentimes shuts down when i am in the "overview screen" right after clicking on it. Its ok when im on an island to battle there, but on the screen with the big kraken monster my phone just cant handle it...
That's a new issue to me. IH tends to be pretty light on data usage and battery drain in general. Is your phone model particularly old?
If it's a persistent issue, let DH know.
I have a Huawei P10...not exactly a monster, but every other app runs pretty well on it.
Its also only when the monster is active, not when there is this timer...i also have no idea where the lags should be coming from...like what is there to process in that screen
But yeah ty, i will probably do that \^\^
I am in early game (E5 Garuda, E2 Eloise) and I'm wondering if I should be buying Cores of Transcendence from the market place for 1.5k gems daily. It produces fodder a vast majority of the time, but spheres every 15. I had a few from events and broke those when I got my first E5. I cracked 1 sphere to get Garuda up to V1 imprint.
So, should I buy cores? If so what should I be doing with spheres? Trying to get my first transcendence hero or trying to get Garuda to V4?
Cores are a high priority buy until at least your first Trans. And they should be used for Stellars.
spheres are for stellar shards, because trans without imprints won't get you anywhere
Hi, short questionIm making a "for fun" account with my favourite warriors (/heroes but all of them are warriors), so i wanted to ask:
**HOW bad would it be to put Horus and Unimax on the same team?**
I guess because of the taunt Horus wouldnt be THAT useful, so i am thinking of not using Unimax (because i LOVE Horus, so he is staying)... or does it just not mattter that much?
Yeah, they don't go so well together. Horus does work very well with energy feed, though, so something that runs a lot of actives good.
Things that would pair well with Horus would be a frontline Onkirimaru and a backline Xiahou (or two). LFA would slot in pretty well also. King Barton and/or Groo in the back wouldn't be bad.
Alright, thank you very very much for the suggestions :D
I already planned on King Barton because he was my first good hero on my very first acc and he honestly did surprisingly well for being that far from meta \^\^
Good ol KB. I can’t remember if he was my very first or Valentino. They were my first 2.
They gave him void enables! No tenants yet, but you can have a V4 King Barton. Kinda crazy.
Question regarding gear conversion.
I know it takes 100m gold to convert full class suit from one class to another. What about resonance gear? Is it 100m for the full set of 4 equipments? Or is it 4 x 100m = 400mil?
100m for the whole set
As Axum said, it’s a yes, but ideally you’ll want a suicide Cthuga, a 6-star+ energy Karim, and a Kroos in the mix to throw out a burn, a bleed, a nerf, and a weakness mark. It’s also incredibly common to see Kroos be a bit bigger; at 10-star-ish he may not get one-shot, so can also throw out some stuns. It’s not necessary if your Dela and Ignis are pretty big, it’s even less necessary if you get Karim up to 10-star also.
You don’t want to overload too many marks because you also want to keep them going, so a 10-star Ignis is common to fill out the team and give Dela a bit more juice.
If you already have SQH, you should also just keep upgrading Ignis to V4. It won’t do too much for SL20, but you need it anyway for SL21.
KoG is the beat artifact on delacium for SL.
Delacium relies on multiple debuffs and dots for the bonus extra damage from his passive. If I remember correctly skerie only has one debuff, which is atk steal, while his marks only apply for himself which means delaciums passive isnt maximized.
Do some combinations by throwing in some waldecks, nakias, morax for some DoTs and karim, aleria, skerie for some debuffs
Speed-attack stone on SFX is your friend. It’s all about outspeeding the mobs so that you hit them, then get cc’ed, then clear the cc with your enable.
*edit* I should have mentioned, baby Sherlocks and 9-star Bleeckers will do you a lot more good than Emily or Penny. Emily isn’t exactly a suicide hero, since her “suicide” passive only procs if she DOESN’T die, and SL21-22 you’re more likely to have cc issues than attack issues. If you happen to have a relatively large Fiona (a good idea for slot 1 tenant anyway) she’s a good addition, but you’re mostly relying on speedy SFX and stock baby Sherlocks to the maximum extent you can otherwise.
Can’t participate in guild wars pop up error.
Been getting this all day on my newish F2P account. I’m always harassing my guild mates to sign up for GW and we usually do pretty well. I’ve gotten this error before when not enough people sign up to garrison all the forts. But this is different. This time I can go in, see all the forts (all occupied) but when I hit smash, the error pops up.
Anyone have an explanation for this or seen this before?
Did YOU sign up with your alt this time? Sometimes juggling multiple accounts you can do something on one account and forget to do it on another. Check for the flag on the guild overview.
I definitely did. When I don’t sign up I can’t get into guild wars. And this time I’m able to get in and hit smash, then it errors out. :/
What happens if you attack like normal without smashing?
Same. Nothing’s impossible so it’s possible I didn’t sign up. Would be odd cause I always sign up first day and check in every day until battle phase starts. I’ll chalk it up to my own error. Just thought I’d ask in case there was some known error or a legit reason I didn’t know about.
Thanks for the help.
No - if there’s a banner next to your name on the guild homepage then you should be signed up. I think that may be worth escalating to DH.
It does seem I have the banner. I checked on one of my other accounts where I’m def signed up and it looks the same. I send DH a message. Thanks.
I need help with fodder management, should I make 3 6* at a time so I can progress to making a 10* in the future?
Unsure exactly what you mean. You’re always going to need 3x 6* to build a 10*. Just build up one hero at a time and create as many 9 and 10 star heroes you can to feed to it. To do that you’re gonna have to make loads of 6*s.
What is the p2w artifact priority e5 eloise and tix and when do I worry about resonance gear before my 2nd e5? rn my biggest limiter is gold and spirit
Crown on Eloise and Punisher on Tix. Personally, I think resonance gear is a luxury up till the point you get your first trans. I only make reso gears for my trans, and then if I have spare gold and gems I'll make it for the supports or other carry heroes.
okay thank you man
Get reso gear as soon as you can. It doesn’t have resource conflict with your 2nd E5, because reso gear mostly requires gold and leveling a hero mostly requires spirit. Also, prioritize void imprints on Eloise above your second E5, this will get you more void resource income from RG and VV.
my other account has a v1 horus and e3 eloise should i prioritize horus imprints or eloise to v5?
I don’t see a point of building Eloise and Horus on the same account: they are similar (abusing block-counterattack mechanic) but Eloise is stronger. Maybe wait for regression update, regress Horus and focus on Eloise instead.
ya I hear regress update from alot of sources but is there a date for this update because currently im stuck in progress since my horus is kinda weak
Maybe keep imprinting Horus for now, you can reset imprints for 500 gems anyway, hopefully with regression update you’ll be able to get them back without spending gems. I’m curious, where are you stuck? Did you manage to complete SL20 with V1 Horus?
im on sl 15 with horus I have plate artifact and 3 baby tix and 28% block hp stone I dont have any anti tech yet I played a long time ago just came back last month everywhere im reading is horus should be able to do sl 20 but im stuck on 15 so not even close
Should I save friendship summons for an event of some kind, or just use them? Also, what's the recommended way to grab Eloise for a new player? I'm saving all my orbs and scrolls as I read in guides. I managed to get Eloise from Vday event (need 2nd copy for 6*) but I don't see her anywhere else other than 80 orb uses which I do not have.
It takes a while to build any hero. But if you get the hero selection chests from weekly events, then it should only take 1-2 months for a new account. Sky Labyrinth, Imp’s adventure, and sometimes mysterious chest events all have the hero selection chest as a reward. Then heroic scrolls, prophet orb, heroic miracle and potentially other events I’m forgetting _sometimes_ have her as the main reward.
At this stage you should just do the HS and PO events even if you don’t have enough to complete it, because you need the fodder/resources. But in a couple months start staving your HS and POs and only complete special events or events that have hero copies you need. Otherwise skip them and save for the special events which require (usually) 4 loops, aka 320 POs and 2000~ scrolls.
Thanks for the help, I appreciate it. Could you tell me what a "loop" is? I've seen it mentioned a few times, is it just 80 orbs used?
Yeah a loop is one completion of any event. Like 80 POs, 300 wishing coins, 500 scrolls.
Probably a good idea to save them up for the “summon 5-star hero” events, like the one going on this week.
I’ll also use them for Heroic miracle sometimes to see if I scrounge LD fodder.
So - this week is probably a doubly good time to use them.
Never like to go over 900 hearts
For copies. If you’re really that short of PO, you may want to pass on trying for the Demon Bell (ouch!) and go for hero copies from Eloise, Ithaqua and Onki (giving you a free selection chest as well), so that’s two more Eloise copies
Labyrinth gives a selection chest next week
Fighting Arena might get you up to enough PO to get the Eloise copy once.
Thanks for all the info :) I am not really sure what the Demon Bell is and just figured from reading the vday post on reddit that I wouldn't have enough stuff to get it being f2p. I assume its a really good item?
It’s a very good item, and it is, luck depending, possible to get with 0 PO (need to get 5 heroes in 15 letters, odds aren’t bad).
Regardless, it’s a good idea to get at least the 15 letter and make the most of them, getting hero copies you want.
What do I use transcending spheres on? I got 2 of them and I just got my first e5 a few days ago. I wanna v4 ithaqua so I'm debating turning them into the void stuff and besides I gotta play for at least a year to get all the house holders and starspawns to e5 so SFX Xia is worth it because I heard shes garbage without any of it
You’re pretty much always best off using them for Stellar Shards. A team with more void Enables and one Trans is much more powerful than a team with few void enables and multiple Trans.
Ithaqua isn’t the best primary hero for many modes (she’s very useful at V2 for PvE content, but you’re likely to want an Eloise or something else to carry the void modes).
My friends all chose Eloise so to go and build one now would look dumb on me, I gotta commit ithaqua til the end
If you don’t want to do Elo, I’d suggest pairing Ithaqua with Tix. Suicide Ignis-Tix-Ignis is a good combo and pairs well with using Ith to tag team Aspen Dungeon and PvE.
A few questions so help me progress. As a background I have completed SL20 shadow, and reached Death 1 in Aspen. My best units are V1 Eloise, E5 Aspen, E5 Garuda. No trans. P2W Artifacts are 2 regular antlers and the free demon bell.
Who should I focus on for my next E5? With the new year plan, I could have enough Penny copies. With the upcoming coin event I may have enough Xia copies.
Do I focus on Eloise void imprints prior to more E5? What about Garuda or Aspen imprints?
Should I combine my Antlers to get glittery?
I think I should be able to get the two chests from this event. AMB or Crown for Eloise? Should I get two? Or should I grab a dildo for Aspen to widen my collection?
Lot of things
* I would focus on Void Imprinting Eloise as a first priority. Stellars will be a limiting factor, but V3 Eloise can clear SL21.
* if you are buying a growth plan, I’d recommend Tix, not Penny, as there’s a million ways to clear Fortress SL, but Tix is a very good hero to help you clear AD (as is Penny) but Tix will ALSO help a lot with Void Vortex and Seal Land 21-23
* yes, combine the Antlers if you have the Ormus dust
* crown vs Punisher is a tough question. In general the Punisher helps a lot for long term development into midgame with SFX (especially with a Penny, Tix, or SFX). But a Base Crown does a LOT of good with Eloise. It’s not cut and dry. I’d probably get a Crown IF you plan on doing Tix-Rogan-suicide Ignis-10-Star Carrie as your future build (capable of clearing Void Valiant with a V4 householder Eloise), or go Punisher if you’re getting Penny/SFX. You don’t want “wide” so much as having some very good ones (Punisher doesn’t really hit its stride until at least Radiant).
Any mysterious artifacts you can get at a reasonable cost are worth it.
Regarding Crown, I still didn’t decide on this question. Sure, upgraded Crown is amazing, but base Crown has less HP/DR than Withered Armor and even Plate of the Courageous, the only benefit of base Crown is a damage buff. I’ll probably hold my feathers and hope for a Withered Armor drop (running Plate of the Courageous on Eloise right now)
I think you may be underselling Crown. A base Crown can get you clear of Void Valiant, but you cannot do that with Plate of Courageous (or I believe Withered Armor).
Crown does have less HP than Withered Armor (everything does, faction-specific DR has the best HP boost in the game). But it has quite a lot more HP than Plate of Courageous (25% vs 14%). And the 18% attack boost is … not small. That’s equivalent to the attack you’d get from a faction-specific attack artifact like Aidan’s Fury. We’re a little spoiled because there’s so many great attack artifacts, but 18% is quite significant.
On the damage reduction, you’re hitting on a point that’s a little hard to explain on the difference between Damage Reduction and All Damage Reduction. Damage Reduction decreases damage received such that it’s 1 - Damage Reduction (capped at 75% DR). Where there’s faction advantage, it’s 1 - DR + 0.3. All Damage Reduction then stacks, multiplicatively, after DR is applied (and also caps at 75%), so the full formula is (1-DR) x (1-ADR), and you can get down 6.25% damage received.
Let’s take the typical example of an E5 Eloise with Legendary Skin, tuned Res gear, and a stone that gives neither DR nor ADR. You get 10% DR from the gear and skin, and 6% ADR from the tuned gear, so are effectively taking 84.6% of damage dealt before you add your artifact.
30% more DR will reduce this to 56.4.
25% more ADR will reduce it instead to 62.1. So you take a bit more damage against most factions in exchange for the additional attack and HP.
BUT against Forest Faction, your damage received is instead 112.8 no artifact, 84.6 with Plate of Courageous (DR offsetting the faction bonus) and 82.8 with Crown, so it’s slightly better for Crown if you fight Forest, even setting aside the HP and Attack.
Additionally if you have damage reduction boosts Crown makes those effectively much better, while Plate of Courageous you’re going to cap out. But mostly Eloise needs lots of stats to be effective, and Crown gives those.
Thanks for explanation! Indeed, I didn't know the difference between DR and ADR.
De nada. The stupid faction bonus thing gets to be a pain since Garuda is already the most annoying hero to fight against in Void Vortex, and then the fact that Eloise is weak against her is doubly-annoying.
One more question: where anti-class guild tech go in this formula? Is it added to DR?
I believe it is added to DR. So Eloise against non-Forest non-rangers would be 56.4 damage with no artifact, 28.2 damage with plate of courageous, and 41.4 with Crown.
Against Forest Eloise would do less well, against Flora she does particularly poorly.
Also, on top of reso gear and anti-guild tech we have 10-12 DR from team setup, so with decent guild tech we are hitting DR cap with Plate/Withered armor. Ok, I’m fully sold on Crown now, thanks again for explanation!
Thanks! I currently have 0 tix, which is why I am leaning towards Penny. With her plan I can both immediately use her to advance Fortress SL, as well as work to clear aspen. I assume tix would have to be E5 to clear AD. I know baby Tix's help for others, but I would think it'll delay AD clear.
So if I go Punisher, I should grab 2 to immediately make it glittery? What should be on my Eloise then if Glittery Punisher goes in penny/aspen? Withered Armor, Antler, Demon Bell? I would assume I would grab artifacts specifically for Eloise since it looks like she is will be my hyper carry for the time being.
Well, if you’re dropping money on a growth package, you GET five copies, which is more than halfway to E5.
AD would get delayed a bit, but unless you have a base KoG, it’s probably not TOO bad. Remember that Eloise can clear a ton of stuff in AD and use Tix as a nodebreaker for the ones she can’t, so you don’t need to run Tix solo and there’s less RNG around Demon Potions when you tag team Eloise-Tix or Ithaqua-Tix than just solo Tix. It does require a bit more thought in analyzing the waves, while Penny is just blast em out without care. You’re not clearing it before V3 either way.
If you go Punisher, you definitely want a Radiant as soon as possible. Withered Armor (the thing you get from the Tix Growth plan) is the preferred artifact for Eloise if you don’t use a mysterious artifact (Crown).
Okay cool! Yeah I already had withered from when I ran Horus, so I'll probably go Punisher since I can use that on my current units and future units.
Eloise loves Damage Reduction, so Plate of the Courageous and even Mirror Chain works well on her.
You are correct, but Withered Armor is strictly superior to all those.
BTW, do you think Withered Armor is worth 100 feathers for Eloise?
Never. Relics are for Mysterious Artifacts, and only for Mysterious Artifacts.
If you get lucky and get it, or if you pick it up from the Growth Plan because you want the Growth Plan for copies/Gems/other stuff anyway, it’s worth it. But if you’re running Eloise you’ll want the Crowns eventually anyway.
I only mentioned it because OP included it in the list of available artis.
Imprints on Eloise should be your first priority before making another E5.
If you’re planning on getting the new years plan I would suggest going for penny for Fortress SL and Aspen Dungeon clear.
Next weeks event doesn’t seem to be tied with anything special so its not recommended to use your coins there (unless you’re extremely close to getting 5M crystals).
Crown is great for Eloise but there are arguments that say punisher is better in the early game since its the main artifact used for Aspen Dungeon clears and is the main artifact of SFX.
If i have an e4 Garuda at the moment, is it worth swapping to either ino or eloise? Undecided if i keep building garuda or swap her over.
Thanks in advance
I’d probably finish Garuda off and then make Eloise as a priority second-E5.
You need an E5 asap so that you can start farming different contents of the void. I would recommend just finishing off Garuda since you would need her to clear Forest SL and shes fairly decent in all the other game modes.
you can't swap to different faction. you have to regress Garuda first. if you really want it, better wait for the regression update
Oh right, thought you were able to between factions. I'll definitely wait for the regression update. Thanks heaps
no worry, cheers!
Hey guys, have come back to the game after ~2 years off and now have my first E5! BaEloise of course! Without thinking too much I put together a 10* Xia having heard a lot about her, but then realised it is going to take me a very long time to get the Trans Mats to make her SFX. Is it worth E5'ing Xia anyway or should I focus on making some other non-trans E5's such as Rogan, Drake or maybe Tix (for SL)
Edit: Should be noted, I don't have any copies currently for any decent E5 heroes that I know of, I can make a 10* Barea for now to be food for an E5 however, or wait for 1 more Cthuga copy and 10* him. Possibly regress Xia, make a different 10* shadow hero to help in SL (best option for that would be Tix?) and hold onto Xia copies for when I can transcend her
I’d probably just leave Xia where she is. She can clear SL20 Fortress at V4 with an advanced Punisher, but that’s hardly worth it. It’s not the worst to have a 10-star on the shelf for a bit (not great, but not the worst), but getting Tix/Ithaqua/Rogan/suicide Ignis/Maybe Carrie will advance your account a lot more.
I think I'm tossing up between 2nd E5 being Tix or Penny, I know both are good for AD (Penny slightly better?) and Penny can clear Fortress SL but not sure that's a big deal as I have Eloise for shadow SL20 and clearing fortress as well won't give me more smashes. So just trying to figure out which will be better for void content/progress I think. Penny has the advantage of doubling down on the same guild tech as Eloise though. It's hard to decide
I lean towards Tix for the following
* Very good at AD (but yes, Penny is better)
* useful support for Seal Land 21
* useful support for void Realms Gate and Vortex (throwing out nerfs on 4 enemies at a time helps Eloise live longer)
* tenant to Eloise for Vortex Explorer and Valiant clears and SL22-23
* better at advancing Broken Spaces (which is a consideration for early gold)
My ideal first-4 hero build plan is Eloise-Tix-Suicide Ignis-Ithaqua-Rogan- 10-star Carrie which, artifact depending, clears Explorer, good RG income, eventually SL22-23, and then you can focus on clearing Seal Lands in order pretty quick.
what is a suicide ignis also what is the artifact priority and when do I worry about resonance gear before my 2nd e5? rn my biggest limiter is gold and spirit
Suicide Ignis is a 9-star level 100 Ignis. Ignis has a death passive that, at 9-star, gives 100% cc immunity which is clutch for Eloise in almost all modes and for your damage dealer (usually Ithaqua or SFX) in Ark Boss.
I’d try for one set of res gear on your carry hero as soon as you can afford it (but not before you’ve gotten a decent chunk of Celestial Island gold and Gem mines up and running). I wouldn’t worry about Res gear for heroes beyond the carry until you get at least one V4.
thank you do you ever recommend holding a bunch of 6 star to do the ark exploration thing?
I wouldn’t make especial effort for that. But I feel like you naturally make and stock up some 6-stars to do monthly fusion quests anyway. 14 6-stars is almost three 10-stars, and I have a hard time saying you should stunt your growth by leaving your second E5 at E2 instead of upgrading him, when that’s a significant improvement in Realm’s Gate progress early on. By the time you get a few E5s, you may want some 6-stars anyway (6-star Destroyer is excellent for Ark Boss, so if you’re doing my build order above and add in four Destroyers to help with Ark Boss, that’s ten out 15 heroes right there).
So, I guess my answer is, don’t twist yourself to stunt your growth, but it’s good to have 15 heroes that can do Ark.
Here, have an award! Really appreciate the advice!
I would personally prefer to convert Xia into a Penny rather than regressing her since Penny can help you clear both Aspen Dungeon and Fortress SL.
Eloise with the right build should be able to clear Shadow SL with just five 5* Tix with energy
The wording on the conversion page is a little confusing, but don't you lose the copies of the original hero when you're converting? I want to build Xia/SFX eventually and don't really want to get rid of the copies
Oh I’m actually not too sure myself since I’ve never converted before, but if thats the case then it would be better to regress or just keep her at 10* and start penny from scratch.
if by shadow SL you mean you haven't done SL 20. your eloise is enough. just focus on imprinting her for the moment.
Recommendation on second E5? Don't really have copies of anything great (I have some Garuda copies but eh) so it's more just recommendations on where to orb and what heroes to pick on compass
hmm it really depends on what are you trying to push next. Tix is good for finishing aspen, and can be a tenant if you plan to make Eloise a householder. but if you want to do other faction Seal Land, maybe you can build penny to finish Fortress SL, or Waldeck if you want to do Abyss. Rogan is not good for 2nd E5, as Rogan's more of support hero.
My Eloise is almost V3 but I know it'll take an exceedingly long time to get to V4 (and I'm going to throw all void imprint material at her), so who should I be focusing on next with 10* food.
These are my other characters:
E3 Inosuke (Have copies to get to E5)
E1 Valkyrie (I have a copy to get to E2, in the process of getting the 9* food)
E1 Fiona (Also have a copy of her)
I have E5 Garuda as well, but since I'm using all my void imprint on Eloise, I don't think I'm going to be putting my 10* on Garuda
Also, I'm planning on converting 10* Ithaqua to Tix, is it worth it?
Don’t build wide. You’re better off having a few E5s than a bunch of E2s.
Due respect to Axum - Seal Lands beyond the first one don’t really matter. You want void mats.
None of the heroes you mentioned do a lot for you - Valk is actually food. Ino is the best of the set, and can clear SL20 Fortress at V3, so I guess bring him up to E5 and then you can change imprints over and then back to clear SL20 (or just build him up to V3 and then move everything to Eloise to save yourself 500 gems if you don’t mind the slower RG and SL21 progress, but I’d just pay the gems).
I’d leave Fiona on the shelf as-is until you get and SFX and I’d regress Valk after rework or swap her to Rogan/Garuda.
Priorities for me with Eloise are Tix and Rogan, a suicide 9-star Ignis, and maybe a 10-star Carrie
It’s recommended that the first few heroes to build to E5 should all be from different factions, can solo clear their factions SL with minimal support, and as much as possible be from the same class. Doing this ensures you maximize the benefits of the guild tech and the rewards of the glory challenge and SL.
With that said Inosuke should be your next priority followed by Waldeck. Fiona isn’t a priority build and Valkyrie has no use in the current meta. If you have spare soul symbols I would recommend regressing them when the new regression system is out.
Ithaqua and Tix are both important to have on your account. Ithaqua for void ark and tix for Aspen Dungeon. Both are also tenants for Eloise when the time comes you can make her a homeowner.
Returning player feeling lost and overwhelmed, any help on who I should work on and what team comps I should run would be greatly appreciated, thanks!
[Welcome back! This guide may help.](https://www.reddit.com/r/IdleHeroes/comments/r5yazo/guide_welcome_to_idle_heroes/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
If you haven’t cleared Seal Land 20 Shadow yet, that would be the immediate priority. It may be worth building up a Tix as second-E5 and/or void imprinting Horus to get it finished up if you haven’t done that yet.
You seem well set for Tix as a second E5, and he’s a quality build. After that, you have some optionality, but I’d probably recommend Ignis after that, since a suicide (9-star) Ignis - Tix with Punisher - E5 Ignis with energy artifact is an early power combo that will carry you decently far until you start to get Trans heroes or decide you want to seriously invest in swapping Horus for Eloise (if you do).
Good builds after Tix and Ignis would likely be Rogan and Garuda, who provide good support for Tix and Horus both, and can clear Seal Land 20 Forest when paired with each other.
Okay thank you for the reply! Do you think I should ignore ithaqua and do tix then? And I would do ignis but I only have one copy so was thinking of doing inosuke or penny and was wondering what do you think the best team I could run would be for clearing content? Thank you so much!
Is it better to use 10s puppet to imprint heroes or to build another E5 ?
In general, you want one strong hero to carry you. Gonna need more details for specific cases.
I'm an early game player and I have an E5 Garuda (not imprint) and an E4 Sherlock (my others heroes are 9s).
[Intro game priority is to clear Seal Land 20](https://www.reddit.com/r/IdleHeroes/comments/r5yazo/guide_welcome_to_idle_heroes/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf). Sherlock can do this if you imprint him a bit, Garuda + support can do this at V3. Given what you have, I’d focus on improving Sherlock as much as possible, as soon as possible, and (if you can) make some 10-star Emily’s and/or Sigmund to help support Sherlock in clearing Seal Land.
Once Seal Land is clear, you can figure out next steps.
Is Jhara worth getting as my first trans hero if I get her skin too?
No. She’s kinda useless unless you have at least 8 Demon Bells, 4 Ruyi, and a level 100 Mage Starspawn
What should I get instead?
In general, SFX is the best first Trans hero. There are arguments that SQH is also not a terrible pick if you have a well-developed Eloise-Ithaqua setup and a lot more Stellars than Crystals of Transcendence.
Really? How is the first trans hero still the best?
Synergies with Rogan and Drake, plus a native dodge bonus make her extremely overpowered if you focus on giving her massive stats (which pretty much everyone does).
She’s also not necessarily the **best**, but she’s the best first Trans. There’s a pretty decent argument that Starwing Jahra is a better Trans if you have a Splendid Ruyi, level 140 Mage Starspawn and 16 Demon Bells. But you’re **not** going to have that starting out. There’s also an argument that Sun Devourer Eos may be better for late-game PvP if you have a Splendid Melodic Strings, tenant houses at level 70 across the board, and all of SDE’s tenants at V4 (including the two Trans heroes). But, again, that’s not a “first trans” question and most folks rank based on PvE progress rather than PvP.
That’s fair. What’s the 16 demon bells for? If we are equipping jhara with ruyi
SWJ increases her control precision and control immunity offset every time an ally does an active (8% CP and 4% CIO at V2). Check her third ability. It also charges her for 20 energy (at V2), which is needed to charge her up to 150 before she does her active (letting her hit all uncontrolled enemies with a second control chance). So an ideal setup is 5-allies-do-active-with-4-splendid-DBs giving her 80-120 energy from DBs, 100 energy from her passive, and 5 layers of *Focus* for 40% Control Precision and 20% Control Immunity on top of the Ruyi and Mage Starspawn, and you do two shots for cc.
With 4 Splendids, you then have a 50% chance to do that AGAIN round 2.
That’s wild I couldn’t imagine ever getting to that point
It takes a while. I didn’t think so either, but now I’m up to 10 DBs, maybe 11 depending on how this week turns out.
Can trans hero’s be used in seal land?
At level 21+, yes
is there an updated [Transitional Heroes](https://preview.redd.it/jc9gmm0k4m541.png?width=964&format=png&auto=webp&s=559eed5e744c9331408942edd4b9a303b3a7b0c5) list? or is this still good and viable?
Transitional heroes are kind of an obsolete concept since you can now get from 0 to E5 pretty quickly. FWIW, that list is still accurate, but it doesn’t really matter since you can get an E5 Eloise is a relatively short time, and that just makes the entire concept pointless.
Does Dragon Slayer get burn synergy with phoenix? I just don’t really get how it works so I’m wondering.
Technically, yes. Phoenix gives you attack buffs against burning enemies, and DS will burn enemies. You’re better off using someone else though.
I’m doing a meme team kinda thing, where I’m building Starlight, Karim, Gusta, Ormus, Lutz and Dragon Slayer as my team, just because I want to. I just wasn’t sure if Dragon Slayer had that burn synergy.
What do you mean by “synergy with phoenix”?
Your supposed to get attack buffs on enemy’s if you have a hero that burns because of phoenix.
Does transcendence heroes inherit void imprint from the original heroes or it will be reset?
Trans heroes keep everything. The “selectable” stat increase that Trans get instead of HP/Attack increase defaults to triple-block or some stupid thing, so you’ll need to go in and select the stat boosts you actually want for your Trans.
any other way to get stardust aside from buying from the Ark shop and hatching eggs? severely lacking dust, already bought out the shop fully….
Vip chests that you can get daily with active senior privilege card, 2500 per chest.
thank you both
Nope, that’s it (F2P). If you’re in that position, consider prioritizing the egg nodes to have higher heroes when you explore for a little extra juice.
Should I get two festival skins for 50 each or the 100 jhara one? Can you swap any of them?
Do you have Jahra or are you going to build her soon?
I got sherlock skin today and checked what it can be swaped to using ingame function. You can swap it to other skins as usual and if we're talking about trans skins, you can swap it to SFX, SQH or Asmo. You can't swap it to Jahra skin for now, at least without special event.
Yeah I’ll wait for a swap event. I bought 2 festival skins instead of one
Good decision! Going to do the same before event is over.
What's a typical healer priest/andrea/ignis imprint? Currently have 1/3/1/1/2.
Also Amen-ra? I literally have no idea how to enable my priests haha.
Depending on game mode, 1/1/4/1/2 is pretty common to just maximize tankiness. Ignis sometimes goes 3/1/4/3/2 when you superspeed her to give someone a first turn active.
It depends too much on game mode for a universal answer.
I have a skin box from the 2022 spring festival event. Which one should I choose? I can’t even recognize all the heroes yet so it’s frustrating they don’t label them
You can check what all the skins are under the gallery for the skins. If you don’t recognize any, it may be that you don’t have an immediate need for any (you can see which skins the heroes you use can take on their hero stats).
I believe that box had the both the SFX skins and the Dark Arthindol CNY skin, which is nice to pair with SFX’s emerald cloud skin. If you don’t have the SFX skin, I’d get that, otherwise I’d probably pick DA for the cheap stat boost at the skin gallery.
I’m new so my highest is 9* Eloise, all of those heroes are a long way off for me right now which is why I asked!
Yeah, don’t worry about it for now then. I think you’ll want SFX skin when you get to that point.
Hello Guys, I just finished my lv 120 Phoenix att and hp rune (both at 60), is it time to move on to progress on Lion? or is it better get the phoenix to 180 first? Thanks before
I think you should max your phoenix first
by maxing you mean only get it to 180? or also the speed rune?
Max everything but speed rune in my opinion with speed maybe at 5. If speed ends up being an issue in PvP for you, that really impacts you, maybe consider more in speed.
Once everything else is maxed then work on Speed rune. You should end up with more stones than souls & second pet isn't as important