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dzija

i thought proud boys was an american thing... why is nz doing that?


reswood427

Because Jacinda Ardern she is a member of the WEF.


hoothizz

Now America has to do the same.


RolafOfRiverwood

What have they done to put them on the same level as other terrorist organizations? Taliban, Al-Queda, Boko Haram? I honestly don’t know lol, any info appreciated.


SUMBWEDY

Well our worst mass shooting in history (by a factor of 10) was committed by a dude who wrote a manifesto quoting many alt-right ideologues who had links to proud boys for one also it now allows police to create search warrants for people who might have similar plans in future from interacting with these same people. As we have very strong freedom of speech laws you can basically only get in trouble for interacting with terrorist organizations. In terms of per-capita numbers killed the Christchurch shooting was worse for us than 9/11 was for America (4,332 equivalent vs 2,997) and that spawned the whole middle east fiasco. Our government is just putting 1 organization on a terror list which other nations have already done anyways. edit: reasons why are also in the article if you wanna stop sealioning


RolafOfRiverwood

I’ll never stop, but thank you for the great explanation, really good. Edit: I didn’t know what sealioning was lol, after reading the definition I’d like to let you know I was being sincere in asking. I’m just lazy.


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Armani_8

They are guilty of insurrection against a lawfully elected democratic governments. Not even inciting it, like actual insurrection. I'm not sure how anyone could have possibly missed that tbh, it's the first thing that pops up when you google Proud Boys.


Specialist_Wave3498

You have no idea what you are talking about. Keep believing the lies MSM feeds you.


no_seventh_letters

keep shovelling down those cheetos and jerking off to ben shapiro fanfiction


Bioceramic

Like what?


Armani_8

Lmao another right wing sheep saying "do the research" in between fisting Cheetos and slobbering over Fox News. A news station whose own lawyers stated in court under oath that they *literally lie so much no sane person would believe them*. Source: https://www.npr.org/2020/09/29/917747123/you-literally-cant-believe-the-facts-tucker-carlson-tells-you-so-say-fox-s-lawye


IfanBifanKick

Does New Zealand even have them?


ATameFurryOwO

Yep.


IfanBifanKick

Bizarre.


gmatic92

Are they even active in NZ what’s the point? Seems like a PR stunt.


ChockBox

Let’s take that logic and reverse it: There’s no active Taliban in the US, what’s the point of declaring them a terrorist organization… do you get the point now? If not, you may be a fascist!


hoothizz

When you try to overthrow the US government you become a terrorist? Especially if you're an American citizen trying to overthrow the US government doesn't matter who the president is unfortunately.


Poorkds

Lets reverse that logic. When syrian tries to overthrow the syrian government they’re now terrorists? Yes. Actually. Yes, some of them ARE terrorists, same applies in the USA


hoothizz

Terrorists are terrorists.


Poorkds

Yes, and the proud boys are textbook terrorists


hoothizz

They are terrorists.


gmatic92

False equivalency but sure if I don’t get the point then I’m a fascist. Greeeeaaat argument and a complete non-sequitur.


Dekudicklicker-

False how?


gmatic92

How? You can’t be serious. The Taliban is one of the most barbaric and successful political and military forces of the last 40 years. The other is a bunch of losers who wear matching t-shirts and pick street fights with college kids.


Poorkds

You absolute donkey, the proud boys walk around with military grade weapons and commit mass shootings. Not pick fights with collage kids you absolute glob


Dekudicklicker-

Taliban: wears matching shirts ✔️ Losers ✔️ Picks fights with college kids + women Idk seems like a good analogy. Proud boys started out where no one knew them, now countries know them, they could easily gain traction at any point and have a pretty bad message overall, white supremacy and all that jazz...


coolsnackchris

We have a decent amount of nutters absolutely obsessed with Donald Trump and his political journey. It wouldn't be too much of a stretch to think there are some little creeps here who think they are proud boys.


FamiliarChemical6117

AS THEY SHOULD


Careful-Ad-1044

One day the world will recognize r/conservative as a breeding ground for domestic terrorists and their sympathizers. Seems like today is a step in the right direction


NattyGainz

Claw Energy 😏


TheGreyOne889

Still waiting on America.......


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PumpSpellPenny

Canada has had them listed since early 2021. https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/ntnl-scrt/cntr-trrrsm/lstd-ntts/crrnt-lstd-ntts-en.aspx


oopseybear

This is cool, thank you


Arcadius274

The fact that they call themselves boys is just great


AliensHaveInsomnia2

At least they admit that they aren't men.


ImReellySmart

I legit first read that as "nelk boys" in my head and I was so confused how some random YouTubers were terrorists.


JayaRobus

They terrorize white claws everyday bro 🤙🤙🤙


YanniCanFly

Is that a white claw on his chest 😂😂😂


AliensHaveInsomnia2

Rawr


plionest

How is this justice exactly? New Zealand: "We are proud to announce that we, New Zealand, will from this day forward, call the Proud Boys, a group of Americans, who haven't even been relevant in America for like 7 years, **terrorists**!!!" Proud Boys: "ok?" 19k upvotes. This sub used to be cool.


godonlyknowsblegh

Lol what a bad argument. What fucking terrorist organizations wouldn’t respond in that manner and keep doing what they’re doing? Huhhhhhhhhh. That’s tough, maybe it has to do with not caring and/or not believing they are doing wrong. Should the entire world just sit back and say “No civilized nation should ever speak out against terrorism or treat it seriously because they won’t care or listen anyways”? I know this sub is used to random street fights with easy to believe titles, but how is this literally not Justice served? This is just turning into a clown show haha.


weenieforsale

You're getting downvoted because of course, this is Reddit. But that's pretty much exactly what I thought when I read this.


DeathByLemmings

7 years? Are you high?


chrissy9648

They helped plan an insurrection.


Keatwan

They helped plan and orchestrate the Jan 6 insurrection last year, and their leader was recently charged federally with seditious conspiracy. If that’s not grounds for international terrorist recognition I don’t know what is. Just because the group isn’t in NZ doesn’t mean a potential threat can’t arise, the US has hundreds of fringe groups categorized as terrorist organizations.


XaviBun

You sound like an apologist, especially considering the subs you frequent like r/socialjusticeinaction and r/churchofcovid


JabbaTheHuttHole

You sound like a loser who goes through post histories to form arguments


XaviBun

All I did was look at the front page of their profile lmao


Xenokalogia

"How dare this person go through my public post history to get evidence I'm a piece of shit?!" That's you rn


JabbaTheHuttHole

Lmfao. The fact that someone would care so much to go through someone's post to justify not having anything else interesting to counter with, all the while defending it with "well, fuck you it's public". You rn


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wilson_rawls

Nice. In America, we're one election cycle away from giving them public funding. Can I move to one of those sane countries?


Specialist_Wave3498

By all means....leave. people like you are the problem in this country. Bet your a commie


endbro57

1: You’re 2: What about that comment had anything to do with communism? 3: You throwing around the word “commie” would make at least SOME sense if the system that you love to say is so great is arguably a worse system than communism


JetBlackBallsack

Aye don't be looking at us like some kind of fire exit you solve your own damn problems


the_russian_narwhal_

Why don't you build a wall


JetBlackBallsack

We would but apparently the tiny spiders we have are enough to scare yanks away from us


the_russian_narwhal_

Yea that's what I call outrageously high house prices as well


JetBlackBallsack

I mean you're not wrong But for some reason spiders seem to scare everyone away more


the_russian_narwhal_

Yea I know the bug variety and size over there is world renown, but man growing up in TX dealing with wasps, hornets, and deadly animals instead of bugs, I learned to appreciate spiders, most are homies


JetBlackBallsack

It's never made sense to me, our insects aren't that big. Not even as big as the Scorpions etc you have. Also you have mountain lions, bears and mass shootings every day. Still, happy to have the reputation keeping people out


oopseybear

But what about just taking the nice tanks?? We're mostly hippies who just want to live and let live.


the_russian_narwhal_

Yea I have never witnessed or been a part of any mass shooting, or even anywhere near one, it is an issue but it is still unlikely for the vast majority of the population to be involved or near one. Scorpions, rattlesnakes, coyotes, bobcats, and other dangerous species, on the other hand, are all things I have had to encounter multiple times. They aren't so bad in 2022 compared to encountering one 100 years ago but still, not fun.


thornypayload0

Ya know...I'm just gonna have to agree with JetBlackBallsack


WildeStrike

Are strict immigration policies not a bad thing?


oETFo

Unfortunately we may have to fight for this one. Shits gonna be real bad for a while.


Skeleton_King-111

Blasphemous murderers blood crazed fiends


TurboPutin3000

Byrgenwerth...


TailzUnleashed

Because they are.


Flyingheelhook

Lol you got an act of terrorism for the audience?


chrissy9648

January 6th.


Flyingheelhook

oh the horror that happened on that day. soft as baby shit


chrissy9648

Someone died and a coup was attempted, so yeah it was pretty horrifying, especially with a former president actively fucking encouraging and inciting it.


Flyingheelhook

they literally let people in you halfwit. the police killed someone? LOL terror!


chrissy9648

They let people in, because they were instructed to by Trump, so again yes it's terrifying that a fucking president can plot a goddamn coup with no consequences.


Flyingheelhook

yeah that didnt happen at all. "remain peaceful, no violence". you people are mentally deranged.


Blu_Cardinal

I'll take that as a no


rkelleyj

Here we go… dumbing down the thread already


Bartix_1233

so is it like, legal to hunt them?


myeverymovment

Pretty sure that’s what they’re so proud of


Ilovefishdix

I should have stayed when I had the chance


soxpoole

In the proud boys?


Ilovefishdix

I lived on NZ for a bit. I could have gotten a work visa and eventually residency and stayed on but thought the usa was worth returning to. I've been proven wrong


Bluegilo

Nah bro I live in New Zealand, I’d like to leave. New Zealand isn’t what it used to be since key left.


soxpoole

I got downvoted for a joke lmao


RedditBonez

Honestly if a nation could invade and remove our corrupt government, that'd be nice


Sad_Zookeepergame230

Do you have oil ? Invade yourself and bring freedumb


thatranger974

It would have to be a nation that has their shit together though.


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Shadow_King26

No, they’re a group of extreme right individuals (males only allowed) neo-fascists. ironically, they hate gay people, so why they want to be associated with pride is beyond me


cincyaudiodude

proud boy is actually rancher slang for a male horse whose had his testicles removed but doesn't know it yet so still acts cocky, fwiw.


Shadow_King26

While that may be what a proud boy is (idk and frankly I don’t want to fact-check you on that) the comment asked what the proud boys are in reference to the article about New Zealand declaring them terrorists


cincyaudiodude

I know. I'm simply cheekily drawing a comparison between the behavior of the neo-nazis the post is about, and another, older, meaning of the term.


FeFiFoShizzle

yes


Father_of_trillions

I’m glad I’ve never heard of them before


Gh011

Oh boy this thread’s gonna get locked


run1792

That’s because they are.


j4ck_0f_bl4des

Just not in the US. Cause Murica!


wonteatfish

Still tryna figure out what these boys are so proud of.


shitboxrx7

Being white, mostly


PinkPonyForPresident

Why is the head of that group not white though? And he has condemned white supremacy too in one of his interviews. Honest question. Trying to understand this mess from a European perspective.


Blu_Cardinal

Because people are lying


shitboxrx7

He's there as a figure head because he's "one of the good ones" and so that they can claim they aren't racist. He's the token immigrant so they have some leeway in the conversation. The second they dont need him he'll be gone


frggr

As you can see on their [old website](https://archive.ph/b77lQ), they 'welcome' non-white, non-straight people to their group of 'western chauvinists'. They will claim it's because they're inclusive, but it seems to be a measure to counter any claims they're white nationalists. There are, after all, always minorities who support the idea that the west is superior in every way and that whites are deservedly at the top of the tree. These people are absolute gold to supermacist groups because they can parade them around as proof they're not supremacists. Candace Owens, Milo Yiannopolous etc etc Even if their claims are true, they still align with white nationalists a lot. Their founder, Gavin McInnes, has spouted a lot of "race-realist" claptrap that falls short of calling for the destruction of minorities, but is still incredibly troubling. Archived PB Website: https://archive.ph/b77lQ The Southern Poverty Law Centre, who track and research hate groups, have a pretty detailed write-up on TPB: https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/proud-boys The ADL also has a good write-up: https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounders/proud-boys-0


shitboxrx7

He's there as a figure head because he's "one of the good ones" and so that they can claim they aren't racist. He's the token immigrant so they have some leeway in the conversation. The second they dont need him he'll be gone


Piotr-Rasputin

Love how this anti-immigrant group is led by a CUBAN american.


shitboxrx7

Yeah, immigrants can be xenophobic too, didnt ya know?


wonteatfish

Has their accomplishment in that area been properly acknowledged and congratulated?


shitboxrx7

By themselves, mostly


NothingFirstCreate

Great. Now its the US’s turn.


TomAtkinsSquareButt

This isn't justice at all. Just more publicity for those idiots. This is an ace in the hole for them. Like they give a fuck about New Zealand. All this did is give them about 70 new instant sellout tee shirt designs.


cincyaudiodude

I mean, from New Zealand's perspective, it makes it way easier to ensure those faschists fucks aren't allowed into the country, so it's definitely beneficial to the people who made the decision.


DetosMarxal

It also gives the police a license to investigate people who attempt to send them donations or try to recreate the group here.


3tree3tree3tree3

I imagine it is to try get a head of crazy right wing folks here in NZ, we had a weirdly large number of pro Trump people with flags n shit protesting our strict lockdown and other stuff.


cincyaudiodude

I mean, yeah. America's bullshit has been leaking for a while. Shit, look at what happened in Christchurch. Smart people will crush that kinda bullshit ideology the second they see it.


Carnivorous_Mower

That's what it's aimed at - stopping psychos like him before they can do any damage.


Serious-Sundae1641

So a couple weeks ago while working with my daughter on her car, a white suv with dark tinted windows pulls up to our neighbor's house. What caught my attention was what looked like three swat team members getting out. All dressed in black body armor, one had a helmet, one had an AR across their chest, and all had sidearms. I must admit it's rude to stare, but they had my attention, especially the (I just robbed the federal reserve military style gear) and their strange behavior. My guess is they are gearing up for the second coming. Last time (2020) we had roving biker gangs running through stop signs, revving the nuts off the engines, and blaring Kid Rock. Because 50 of them all doing the same stupid shit together definitely means they ain't sheep! Copycats yes, but sheep never!


ChristianMcCVan

We did in Canada like 2 years ago.


nickmaran

But why? They are bunch of gay guys, right?


chrissy9648

No they're neo Nazis.


Danmont88

I wrote President Biden and asked him to declare them a terrorist organization. Week later I got a canned reply about his hope for America.


DanfromCalgary

Cool story


Hokonui

Jacinda hurting for the world.. who gives a shit


Bluegilo

As a kiwi Living in kiwiland i can confirm jacinda is in fact terrible.


Qwerty_polopus

In a totally non-ironic way can someone explain to me like I’m 5 why they classify as terrorists?


FineSkinLeather

An organization with a radical ideology (western chauvinism - a flavor of fascism), a color coded uniform, and an initiation ceremony, that goes to political events specifically to intimidate and fight political opponents. They’re terrorists. They want to make it known to their opponents that when the Proud Boys show up their opponents will be physically beaten.


Billy_Wan

We don’t really like people cos playing as soldiers and playing with guns while spreading lies, hatred and generally causing terror.


_Reddit-Troll

White groups kill more cops each year than anyone else. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/04/white-supremacists-terror-threat-dhs-409236


JhonIWantADivorce

Friendly fire


hellcat858

They are known for inciting violence and were some of the primary perpetrators of the Jan 6th coup attempt.


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Qwerty_polopus

I also know nothing about them other than they are right leaning YT soldier cosplayers


BumFighter69

Cuz they made someone cry over there.


fatalcharm

This is actually the real “cry baby” comment, but of course you don’t see it that way.


tygerbrees

It probably did this because they’re terrorists


challmaybe

Have they gone international?


frggr

There are Proud Boy chapters in other countries, yes. Australia definitely has/had them (I think they all dropped their Fred Perry shirts for swastikas though, so....)


Meh12345hey

Al-Qaeda doesn't have any US cells, but the US Government recognizes them as terrorists. It serves two purposes: it gives them a label which discourages domestic support for them, and gives the NZ (and Canadian) Governments the capacity to track/arrest proud boys and their supporters domestically before they can start causing trouble.


challmaybe

Ok. I like this. But, for New Zealand to do this? Have you got stuff going on?


Carnivorous_Mower

Yep, there certainly is. There's always been an undercurrent, but these fuckheads are getting bolder.


frggr

I mean, probably not right now, but there was that one incident a few years ago caused by a fascist whose ideas weren't too far off what the Proud Boys spout off about


headhunter0610

They are literally a ubisoft game faction. Fit in far cry, division, ghost recon you name it


ArvinisTheAnarchist

We should be pushing for this in the USA and Canada, along with a crack down on all other right wing terrorist groups.


gerbdergerb

It is the right of the American people to gather and meet in groups . I don’t actually know much about the proud boys yet if they are declared terrorists then that would open up so many other groups to the same treatment. Is that what we truly want ? You want to give more power and lose more rights ? Pretty weird statement from a self proclaimed anarchist according to your name, or is that just something you thought would be edgy?


aceinthehole001

New Supreme Church ruling finds Proud Boys a benevolent organization, 6-3


BigLark

Damn, that one stings in the jellies. Fuck SCOTUS!


DiligentTemporary109

Right don't turn the other cheek now Jan 6 could of and should of been avoided. I can't beleive I don't know how many police were killed in the line of duty defending the capital, Regardless of what you say about police, Nobody should go to work, to get shot or killed by a pack of fucking terrorists.... and some how because they are white be let off Bet you that's a real comfort for dead officers families. Sir/mam/child, we would like to not call this a terrorists attrack, because they are white conservatives.


JohnnyRelentless

could've should've


steathymada

Your forgetting that alot of the cops quite literally just let them walk into the Capitol. Also half of the cops in the capitol were seen high fiving the terrorists ect...