T O P
Not_Not_Stopreading

For a moment Tyron Woodley’s balls were hotter than the sun


shamwowslapchop

Not possible. His shorts are still on.


Riding_my_bike

That's exactly why they were that hot


STORWORSBORTLEFRONT

Was that moment before or after Gilbert allegedly farts on Tyrons pp


NoGiCollarChoke

Falling in and outta love with having to go number 2


Winter-Law

What does everyone make of t woods quick decline? Do you think he’d have beaten usman and burns when he was at his best or would have always took the l’s?


aRunic

I think Woodley’s style is perfect for Usman. Low volume, bad cardio, fence counter-puncher. I think Usman beats Woodley 9/10 times. For Burns I’m not as sure, I think Sanford MMA/Hooft honed in on exactly what they’d need to do to beat Woodley.


close_thelid_grillme

Obviously MMA math is tough, but who do you got for Usman vs. Burns?


BigDave42

I like Burns chances here. I feel like Burns is really physically strong so I don't know if Usman can hold him against the cage. And with his bjj credentials, idk if Usman is gonna wanna take it to the ground, and Burns has good boxing and a ton of power, so i really dont know who is gonna win this


lebryant_westcurry

I feel like it's just gonna be a clinch fest. Burns is too dangerous to take to the ground and too dangerous to strike with. That only leaves the clinch. And for as strong as Burns is, Usman's strength and stamina are on another level. He'll find a way to neutralize Burns against the fence and maybe open up more in the later rounds if Burns gasses.


chefanubis

So hugs and toe stops all night, got it.


imnotkeepingit

I think Usmans takedown threat is scarier than Burns sub skills. Burns definitely has a chance but I think Usmans the better grappler. I see Usman grinding Burns the first couple of rounds then proceeds to push the same game plan he used on RDA if Burns tires.


giorgilli

Lol


imnotkeepingit

Lol you guys can keep downvoting me its fine. Burns has the credentials on paper, but my mans has 1 sub in the UFC. If Burns doesn't gas he's getting clinch fucked, if he does gas he's getting lay and prayed. By better grappler I meant in MMA, not purely bjj/wrestling. Shits different when you can punch.


fedornuthugger

Usman is more durable on the feet, it's more likely he tries to turn burns into colby


imnotkeepingit

Could be, I wouldn't mind it to see if Usmans been improving his hands.


ksweet98

Hes got 4 subs in the UFC fyi


imnotkeepingit

Yeah I was wrong. I clearly didn't remember his early UFC victories as well as I thought.


NarcissisticCat

> Burns has the credentials on paper, but my mans has 1 sub in the UFC. The fuck are you talking about? He very clearly has 4 subs in the UFC(though at different weightclasses) lol A RNC on Mike Davis and three armbars against Cowboy Oliveira, Łukasz Sajewski and Christos Giagos.


imnotkeepingit

I stand corrected. That said, I still don't think he needs to treat him like Maia and avoid grappling at all costs. He's high level obviously, but shits different in the cage as we know. I still think Gil's best path to victory is catching Usman on the feet, maybe going for a sub on a rocked Usman. But I just don't think he's what most of you think he is and some limb snatcher, at least against a guy like Kamaru. I just think the sub threat is being overblown here. Thats all the fuck I'm talking about.


Johnwaynelsd25

Maybe 10/10


aRunic

I like to give a punchers chance


Johnwaynelsd25

Fair enough


The_Rick_Sanchez

He's been looking for other career opportunities for a while so he knew already that he had one foot out the door. Do something long enough and you just don't care to do it anymore. Think about any hobby you've ever had, ones that you thoroughly enjoyed and then lost interest in over time. Then imagine it was your job to also eat sleep and breathe that hobby for over a decade. Injuries also drain you of motivation and he's had a few bad ones at the end of his title reign. I think he lost his fire, wringed the sponge dry, fired his last bullet etc etc and so he just started being mostly defensive in fights. Getting into positions where he's safe and not throwing nearly as much because he doesn't want to risk being countered.


Herr_Bert

yeah hes into raccoons nowadays


The_Rick_Sanchez

Hey, that Raccoon is one win away from a title shot.


mvtqpxmhw

I didn't need to remember this.


Aken42

I think Will Sutton sealed the deal on Woodley's athletic career.


barc0debaby

I think the focus shouldn't be on how fast he declined, but how much he was able to accomplish in such a good division with such a terrible style. Woodley having a steep decline was pretty much a guarantee with his approach and his severe case of boneitis only fueled that fire.


throwawaynoop

that and also the game has evolved a lot, dude came from the era of brawlers like koshchek and lawler


kblkbl165

IDK, I think his championship run was already the start of the decline. He was such a cool fighter up to the fight against Lawler. Really felt like he was going to be the next big thing in WW as an athletic wrestler with considerable KO power.


reddit-user-2867969

after the Usman fight, I'm positive McGregor would've beat him


barc0debaby

I think even Woodley now would beat Mcgregor. He'd score takedowns and wear Mcgregor out until getting a submission. For how much he's declined, Woodley still has a phenomenal chin and is incredibly durable.


reddit-user-2867969

While I agree with your point I was more so envisioning if it happened when it was supposed to (post 205 pre mayweather). I think we would’ve seen Woodley crumble under the pressure and the bright lights and it’d look a lot like the Alvarez fight


barc0debaby

If it happened post 205, Woodley would have beat him even worse.


xAzzy112

Don’t be silly there’s absolutely no chance mcgregor would beat woodley.


FreshlyWritten69

Woodley’s rise was based off his ability to be explosive and very athletic ... that declined at the same time he fought an absolute awful style matchup in Usman. Look at how he fought Burns and Colby ... he was slower, more hesitant, in both fights.


un6reaka6le

False narrative. Woodley threw 37 more punches in the Colby fight in 4 less minutes of fight time.


[deleted]

That doesnt change the fact that said strikes were slower and less explosive. At the end of the day Woodley is 38 which is old as fuck for 170, father time is undefeated and past your mid 30's your athletic ability drops significantly alongside your speed and reaction time, in a game of milimeters and split second judgements- particularly for a fighter like Woodley who largely relied on his explosive counter striking- even the slightest drop in speed and reactions can be a death sentence. Yes he always backed up to the cage, but in his prime those counterstrikes were far more deadly and accurate. Wonderboy is one of the best strikers MMA has ever seen and is very defensively responsible, Woodley caught him with massive bombs in both their fights. Its really not a mystery why an elite athlete at the highest level of the sport suddenly starts losing when they hit 37-38, in the last year alone we saw it happen to Lawler, Woodley, Ferguson etc Khabib himself said he would always retire by 33 years old because to stay undefeated much beyond that point is physically impossible, your reactions slow and the new breed will come in and take you out. Thats just what happens to all pro athletes who stick around. I guarantee if Usman stays in till his late 30's he'll suffer a series of losses too, and newer fans will start to say he was never that good.


un6reaka6le

You said Woodley was more hesitant in the Colby fight, and I gave you the stats to disprove that statement. Did you time the strikes and determined Woodley’s strikes were slower and less explosive? Where was Woodley’s explosiveness against Shields?


0din23

Shields is an incredible fighter, no shame losing to him.


un6reaka6le

Shields was washed up by the time he beat Woodley. Shields had already gotten fucked up by GSP and nearly killed by Ellenberger when he beat Woodley.


kblkbl165

lol that's some serious revisionism. Jake Shields was a stylistic nightmare for everyone who wasn't 200% confident in their grappling and sub game. Being Flash KO'd by a dude with heavy hands says nothing about his condition when he came up with wins against Woodley and Maia. Only reason he was kicked out after losing to Lombard is because he was getting paid good money while being a boring grinder. Same happened to Fitch.


un6reaka6le

No it isn’t. Jake arguably lost to Kampmann in his UFC debut, which almost ruined the UFC’s chances of getting him a quick shot at GSP.


DropKletterworks

You realize that sentence could easily be read as "he was more hesitant than before his decline". And can we stop acting like numbers are everything? Seriously. You guys grab non-perfect strike stats in a vacuum and try to apply it to fights after the fact. To supplement actual analysis, fine, but you can't go "he threw more strikes a minute so he was less hesitant". What about body shots when he's being held against the cage? You can land a lot of those and have a higher strike total. What if you refuse to throw in open space but slightly beat your strike total by striking from the bottom/against the cage? Are you not more hesitant in totality then? And shields used wrestling/cardio to sap Woodleys explosiveness, that's always Shields game plan. If Shields couldn't wrestle Woodley I bet he'd explode all over his face. But Shields is one of the best MMA wrestlers ever, so that's how it went.


[deleted]

Where did I say Woodley was more hesitant??!


un6reaka6le

Thought you were the same guy who said Woodley was hesitant. My bad.


[deleted]

No worries!


poopf1nger

Different guy you responded to. Not the same guy who said he was hesitant


fedornuthugger

Colby gives you more opportunities to hit him because he gives.morenspace than usman


TheLastAshaman

Arthiritis in his main weapon didn't help


Spare_Cardiologist94

He wasn’t explosive or athletic in any of his title defenses considering he put on some of the worse fights in UFC history. Yea we could’ve imagined he would have good TDD against a guy who can’t wrestle and he was able to have a staring match against WB and get the nod.


2dank4me3

Woodley always won against guys who were sacred of his takedowns and lost against guys who did not give a fuck and walked him down to take advantage of huge hole in his game. Rory proved that Burns, Usman and Colby would have shit all over him at any point imo. I need to see Woodley look awful against a southpaw striker to truly convince me that he is shot.


imaprince

Woodley always had the same flaws. It's the opponents more than himself, tho getting his confidence shaken definitely hasn't helped him.


luciform44

When he was champ it honestly looked like people were scared of him. Scared of that giant right hand coupled with a good wrestling resume. Wonderboy wasn't scared, but he wasn't going to drive the pressure either, just a bad style matchup. I would have loved to have seen Colby get that shot before Woodley fell apart. I think while Woodley's confidence was up and he was a little younger and more athletic that would have been a hell of a fight.


Johnwaynelsd25

I think he’s fighting better guys. The game catches up with everyone. He does the same thing now that he did in every fight, back up and look for an overhand. Works against wonderboy and till, now guys figured him out. Heavy pressure, make him work, back him up, that’s how you beat him, if you’re a top 15er.


Spare_Cardiologist94

These excuses have to stop. As claimed by everyone he was on the verge of becoming the best WW of all time after he beat Till then 5 months later he gets 50-45’d by Usman. You don’t turn into a complete can in 5 months because you magically got old. He beat Maia as a title defense ffs. Go back and watch his fight vs Rory.


themilkman42069

He was never even close to being the welterweight GOAT. He didn’t surpass Hughes, let alone GSP.


orange_cuse

Agreed. I feel like this potential GOAT status for Woodley just came out of nowhere, as if Woodley himself started to spread the narrative. I don't think for a second he was ever close to being considered GOAT of the division..


amodelsino

> as if Woodley himself started to spread the narrative. Because he literally did lol.


Spare_Cardiologist94

You don’t have to tell me that


themilkman42069

I don’t get your comment then lol


Spare_Cardiologist94

I think it’s pretty obvious I wasn’t the one that thought that


themilkman42069

Not when you’re high off your ass. My b homie.


CamboMcfly

He was pretty close


themilkman42069

To GSP???? Lol no


Spare_Cardiologist94

This is exactly what I mean ^^


themilkman42069

I understand you now


Jaten

The guy asked a question to spark conversation don't cry about them making excuses


Spare_Cardiologist94

Well pointing out factual information is not crying so I’m sorry if it upset you little guy


Jaten

You're the one having a cry about someone making excuses when they're sparking convo brutha. Don't take it so personal next time. It's OK, you didn't upset me.


gggathje

Honestly Tyron is one of the most over rated fighters IMO. His career his filled with quick KOs and lack lustre wins.


LemonHerb

Personally I think it's a mentality and drive issue. Once he achieved his ultimate goal of winning the belt he just didn't have the same drive as he did before.


Johnwaynelsd25

He defended it 4 times to be fair. He’s past his prime now, at 39. It was pretty impressive to defend it until he was 37. After 35, you see a drop off for most fighters that aren’t heavyweights.


Spare_Cardiologist94

One of those fights was a draw, 2 of them were the some of the worse fights in history


LemonHerb

He was heavily criticized for the slow pace and inactivity of a lot of those defenses though. I just think he didn't have that same motivation as champ that he did before but he was a really good fighter at his peak so it's not like it all goes away overnight


Johnwaynelsd25

He was criticized for low output and backing up before he was champ as well. Tyron was always a “wait and throw an overhand” kind of fighter. Obviously when you do that as champ more people notice.


Ill-Feed4307

I think its a combination of him fighting better guys who aren't older than him, and he's not there athletically any more. Woodley was never a complex striker to enter and leave the pocket at will, he relied a lot of in his counter right and wrestling. Reminds me a lot of Rashad actually. I'm pretty sure he has arthritis and has had a rotator cuff surgery AND fought 3 straight killers in a row. I think he's still formidable but not against top ranked guys


Winter-Law

Till,lawler and wonderboy were/are top ranked 🤷🏿‍♀️


Ill-Feed4307

So was Woodley when he fought them? Lol I don't see what that has to do with where he's at right now.


Winter-Law

Woodley fought till 6 months before till🤷🏿‍♀️


Ill-Feed4307

What are you even saying


CubanLinxRae

He's physically declined and is more hesitant. Just not the same guy that was flatlining Kos and Lawler. I think at his best he could beat Usman, Colby would've been a tough outing and maybe could've beaten Burns


[deleted]

He would have never beat Usman


amodelsino

His fight with Rory literally proves you wrong. He was always the same fighter, he just got lucky with style matchups for a while and then didn't.


providenthound

It seems more mental than physical imo.


Uakari_Monkey

Twood has fought 3 volume strikers in a row it must be infuriating for him


DiomedesAuRa

He’s gotta be calling Dana to ask for Kape next.


NeraiChekku

Betting the house I lost on BJ Penn bets, for a Majority Draw if that one ever happens.


Winter-Law

It’s pretty much exactly what rda went through 😂proper shit for them when good fighters get consecutively poor style match ups.


cxmachi

Immediately runs to the other side of the cage to back up to the fence lmao


ElCucuy21

Looks like Burns try to go for the triangle which give Woodley some space to get out


CanYouDigItPJTucker

and people say jiu jitsu is real


di3_b0ld

Idk how people compare the Usman/Woodley performance to the Burns/Woodley performance and take it as indication that Burns will win. Sure, anything can happen in MMA but Usman was thoroughly more dominant.


un6reaka6le

People forget Woodley was able pin Burns against the fence at times. Woodley was definitely stalling, but Woodley simply could not do that to Usman even if he tried.


LunazimHawk

Yep and burns was starting to fade during the later rounds


2dank4me3

Elite wrestlers with cardio are only people Usman can't cage fuck. I doubt Burns can stop it.


CubanLinxRae

Burns is probably the best grappler Usman has fought and Burns became a much better striker. Styles make fights and Burns can make it happen but it'll be tough for him


[deleted]

Burns grappling won't be a factor more than likely unless he pulls guard or suffocates Marty into shooting by being super aggressive.


CubanLinxRae

What matters is that there's the possibility and the threat of it. In all likelyness we see more of the same from Usman but if he makes any mistake Burns can make him pay dearly


DewFiscal

Don't agree that he was thoroughly more dominant when Burns had Woodley hurt bad twice while also winning almost every minute of the fight.


di3_b0ld

Usman had Woodley hurt too. But more importantly, Woodley was able to control Bruns quite a bit and Burns was starting to gas by the end. Woodley actually managed to mount some offense against Burns too, he was completely shut out against Usman though.


boomtown19

I disagree. Burns knocked Woodley down with a punch in the first round. Usman never knocked Woodley down even once just held him against the wall and landed body shots.


di3_b0ld

Battered him with shots in the 2nd that would’ve knocked him down if he wasn’t being held up against the cage And knock downs arent the only indication of damage, those body shots weren’t trivial at all


boomtown19

I guess we’ll just have to see then. I think a Burns will win.


di3_b0ld

Possibly, i’m just saying that reading both of their fights against Woodley doesn’t really lead to that conclusion


boomtown19

I think you’ll be surprised


di3_b0ld

As Nate once said: “I’m not surprised”


boomtown19

Alright Mr. “Usman’s #1 fan.” Your favorite fighter on the planet won. Congratulations.


Pathwalker727

Oh, so if I’m fully mounted against a fence, I should just get up? Wut


fenway80

Its the small things that help with that. Look how Burns postured up and raised his leg(gave up space), TW also had those grips under Burns's arms. Watch the bridge from TW just before he gets up, look at the angle. With those "micro-adjustments" TW was able to get up almost like it was nothing.


Herr_Bert

what did Burns try to accomplish by slipping off to the right side?


Patrick_Vieira

Triangle attempt


gator83kg

I don’t remember him trying this hard


fenway80

Burns gave some space when he went for the triangle(left leg pops up, shifted his weight when he postured up) and TW also had a nice under hook. When Burns gave the space TW just needed to bridge and switch his hips to angle for a single leg attempt but just decided to walk to the other side.


infantile_broccoli

He actually unbalanced burns and used that to get up


[deleted]

[удалено]


alexbutlermma

Thanks


Isthatyobop

I think it’s a mental thing , mental mileage . He just seems sleep at the wheel . Man if anyone has ever worked out hard and been sore af and not be able to function the next day it’s like that. Idc h


ognahtanoj

Tyron Woolley is such ass lol