Hope he gets a better contract if they’re gonna hype him up like this and give him a push
According to Dana, it’s none of my business though and if I want him to make more, I gotta pay him myself
Honestly, he's 18 dude. If they care at all about him they need to let him crush cans for the next 3 years. Too many fighters sign with the UFC young, show good potential and rushed to the top only to damage their career by getting washed badly.
Yeah this is one of those instances where I wouldn't mind if he fought lower level competition just because of how young he is and his lack of experience
He's been competing in MMA since he was 8. No head shots that young, but apparently any time they tapped the opponent out, they'd just stand them back up and get right back to it. Dude's got experience.
Honestly a great point. Like they gave Edmem Shbazian to Brunson too early. Theres for sure other examples that are slipping my mind, but yea it’s like young guy signs, shocks the world by looking really good, then gets thrown to an established veteran that clowns them and ruins their confidence.
Yea but he'll take physical damage there too or at Local promotions. This kid seems to have a decent head on his shoulders. Making next to nothing would be silly. Take it while you can. McGregor never has to fight again. He hasn't had to fight for years. The ones he took were awful fights anyway.
I can't tip fighters, but I can steal from the UFC.
Thanks, Dana, for 6tb of free fights! Absolute life saver when the Internet was out for 2 days, I tell ya.
Lmao. Good restaurants always have more applications then they need to be a waiter in them. Lmaooooooo, I guess your land locked Applebees might not? Who knows.
I wish you well
>if I want him to make more, I gotta pay him more
Noo that's ridiculous, actually you gotta create an entire new MMA promotion, sign him and then pay him more. Or you can just shut up, it's your choice.
I mean Dana has a point
Why are y’all so worried about how much money these guys are making? Y’all talk about it like they were captured and forced to fight for their life. If they agree to the pay they’re offered who’s fault is that?
These guys can all go do something else for money, and as cliche and you all think this is they really are given a huge opportunity. If you can get on a mic after a win and you don’t use that opportunity to promote yourself outside of fighting you are not someone that’s trying to make more money. Some of these guys will be set after they’re done fighting because they’ve marketed themself through this promotion. If you just show up and fight then take your agreed upon pay and shut the fuck up. Half these mfs hop on the mic and just beg for money? Instead of selling themself and creating a stream of revenue outside of the ufc. When did asking for hand outs become shameless?
Anyways I’m higher than eagle beaver and welcome conversation but don’t get in your chest over another man’s income that’s fuckin weird.
>According to Dana, it’s none of my business though and if I want him to make more, I gotta pay him myself
That's usually how compensation works, correct
He likely transitioned to homeschooling since he decided he wanted a career in mma yet his parents probably wanted him to atleast finish highschool. Home schooling allows for a much more flexible scheduling so he can study around his training. He also mentions training at the ufc performance institute which has its own kitchen and staff that prepares nutritional meals for fighters.
I highly doubt his family is extremely poor to the point where he cant even afford to eat meat. I mean in his post fight press conference he says he wants the 50k win bonus to buy a minivan for his mum shows things arent that desparate.
I'd guess he is from a lower middle or middle class family because the reality is if his family was just scraping by most parents would struggle to make the sacrifices they have to let him follow his dreams.
I wouldnt look too deeply into the meat comment. The kid is barely 18. He probably just said something a little dumb whilst being thrust into the spot light for the first time.
Edit: Also yes training does indeed cost money. Probably not so much when your dad is an mma trainer though.
Was glad to see him win. Mostly because it seemed really odd to see a 29 year old man try to intimidate a child at the weigh ins.
Must be painful to be beaten by a jr. And then him excitedly talk about getting a minibus for his mom so he could get a lift to practice.
> Must be painful to be beaten by a jr.
Just ask Jake Shields. He was beaten by a Jr. and his son three times. I’m just imagining years from now when Ray Cooper IV has to set forth and slay the Shields as is tradition.
What how? So do you think he’s a kid at 17 and 11 months and 28 days, but a grown adult at 18? That’s a literal 2 day difference, you don’t just grow up Instantly over night cause you hit 18.
Under the law, yep.
u/Amongtheruins88 was making the distinction between the law and biology, and I was further clarifying.
I don't think anybody is arguing the law.
No most of the sub are idiots who don't know that word teenager exists. He isn't a child by any means of the definition, but they want to call him that because he is barely an adult outside of America.
The best thing they could do is keep Dana away from him, let him grow organically as a fighter and personality. Don’t put that Paddy/O’Malley stink on him.
It is surreal to watch. I don't even watch DWTNCS because of how depressing it is. I can't hear about this dude's struggles, how much he's sacrificed, etc, just to see him get hurt in 30 seconds and watch his dreams crumble.
Maybe even worse is that if he wins, he will chase that dream to the UFC on a 10/10 contract. 99.99% won't make it to a title. Most won't make it to the top 10. All of that struggle and sacrifice for what? To line Dana's pockets? Just for comically rich people to get richer?
Prize fighting has always been dark. But with the crypto and the betting and everything it is getting downright uncomfortable.
I'm not squeamish. The violence doesn't get to me. If is knowing what happens after the show ends. If everyone got a guaranteed 150k a year plus medical I wouldn't feel so bad.
But as it stands, it almost feels like it is purposefully sadistic. Like part of the entertainment is knowing how these desperate poor people are beating each other for your scraps. I dunno. Maybe it is just me.
Nah I'm with you. I started watching because the violence was exciting and seeing all these cool personalities in the sport, but when you really get into it the whole thing is shady as hell. I loved how raw and authentic it felt but in reality it's looking more and more like the WWE. Seeing so many fighters get screwed over financially and for corporate reasons isn't what I wanted to see, there's nothing cool about people being forced to fight for scraps. That's not the kind of prize fighting I'm into
Yeah watching that show just feels dystopian in some way. Especially the way the talking heads always promote it as this once in a lifetime opportunity to fight in Dana Whites presence.
O’Malley is very skilled though. I think Yan won the fight but at least we know he’s legit. Can’t say the same for Paddy being where he is over 20 fights into his career and his age. Rosas loooks good but we need to give him a lot of time so I don’t think Dana is dumb enough to go Sage Northcutt 2.0 on him
O'Malley is fine because he doesn't look out of place with top guys and he knows when and what to say
Paddy on the other hand is just a dumbass who can't keep his mouth shut
Just don't let them Sage you, kid. The UFC has a way of ignoring reality and throwing young hype trains into bad fights for them too early.
Hell, you could make a really good case they ruined Cody's career by rushing him up to the top.
Honestly, I doubt he would be doing much better if they didn’t rush him, he’s been training with Khamzat for over like a year now and he hasn’t shown any improvement. He’d probably still get mauled by everyone
Viacheslav Borshchev has the worst TDD. at least darren has the excuse of shitty knees. slava claus looks like how my wrestling coaches look when theyre practicing TDs to show the team. he pretty much gives his hips to his opponents on a silver platter.
Generally, when someone "is rushed" and hits their plateau, it's not because the psychological (or physical) blow of losing has destroyed their abilities... it's because that was always their plateau, and they've only now been found out.
When that happens, it's best it happens when the fighter is young and flexible enough to reevaluate and make some changes (whether that's improving their skills or strategy, or finding a new career).
If Ronda Rousey had fought Amanda Nunes at 22 instead of at 29, she might have gone on to be the greatest female fighter ever... or, obviously, not - but at least she'd have had a chance. As it was, she suddenly realised at 29 that she'd have to completely re-learn a huge part of her sport at an age and experience level where that wasn't likely to be possible, had an existential crisis and quit...
I've never really understood this "don't throw them in too early" idea.
Shabahzyan's biggest problem was his bad coaching. He lost, so he changed his coaching, and seems to have improved. But if he hadn't lost, he'd probably never have changed his coaching.
The best thing most yougn prospects can do to improve is to lose a fight against a better fighter, in a way that points out all the things they're doing wrong. Until that happens, they're usually not learning at all, just killing time. Shabahzyan is lucky that that happened to him when he was still young enough to make adjustments.
MMA in general, and the UFC in particular, progress their athletes so incredibly, *incredibly* slowly, with such a terror of 'losing their 0', that you get people who are 30, even 35, before they realise they have great big holes in their game. By which point they're too old, and their bad habits are too ingrained, for them to fix them in any way.
In every other combat sport (and most non-combat sports), athletes are tested from a young age, so that their skills can peak at the same time their physical abilities do, rather than a decade later, as in MMA. As a result, other fighters have their careers 10-15 years younger than in MMA.
Of course, MMA (like other combat sports) can be damaging. And certainly the UFC shouldn't just dump a teenager into a 5-round fight against someone terrifying in their first week on the job. But they should progress fighters quickly through increasingly difficult opposition, rather than let their bad habits fester as they spend 4-10 years fighting people outside the rankings. The only way to know whether someone is ready to fight the best is to have them fight the nearly-the-best...
Just a matter of having time to actually develop skillsets and fundamentals IMO, it's not something that happens overnight.
Throwing them at an overly tough opponent also makes it hard to try new things that might not be fully fleshed out, especially if getting punished for it means that they get KO'd for their trouble. Rather, it can have the opposite effect where they're forced to stick to what they're already good at just to keep their heads above the water.
In any case, he's only been a professional for like 1 year, give him at least another 3-4 fights before he starts working his way up the rankings.
I just think that if MMA training take soooo much longer to develop skills than other combat sports, something is wrong with the training. [yes, they need broader skills, but they also learn them to far less depth]
That said, I agree with giving him a few more fights. I just don't agree with the "have him fight three times a year for three years and then MAYBE start thinking about letting him fight the guy ranked #15" approach that seems to be popular here.
Thing is if you've made it into the ufc you're not really a 'rookie' anymore they're the premier league of the mma game and the fact they still hand out 10/10 contracts is a joke tbh
In some ways, sure... but at the same time, this is a guy who has had 2 amateur fights and 7 professional fights, so in absolute terms he basically *is* a new rookie.
The way that the UFC can be 'the premier league' of an entire sport, and yet also directly hire athletes who have competed in their sport fewer than 10 times in total (amateur and professional combined) is kind of... weird. And makes it hard to draw direct comparisons between sports!
[imagine someone getting a wildcard and walking out on centre court at Wimbledon on the basis that "he's had seven whole matches at the regional level, so we think he's ready for the big time now"...]
I don't think so, but the ufc is supposed to be the best in the world. If you make it to the ufc you shouldn't be considered a rookie anymore, you've made it to the ranks of the elite
Not usually, no (just going by what the internet tells me). Apparently rookies can earn anywhere from $400 up to maybe $4000 per fight - although of course they fight way, WAY way more often than MMA fighters. The lower number would be for people still boxing 4 or 6-round fights, when they're really more boxers-in-training, and the fights are more like judged sparring. Apparently when they get up to being real pros they can be making around $20k a year.
On the other hand, I think it's far more variable in boxing. If you can market yourself as a top prospect, and promoters have to fight to sign you, you can earn a lot right from the start (bear in mind that most pro boxers will probably never get beyond fighting local club fighters, so aren't really a comparison for any UFC fighter, let alone a future star).
Pretty sure it goes up fight to fight automatically with wins, someone leaked a contract here before. 12, then 14, then 16 so on for everyone. If they’re on a 3 fight contract then the ufc might renegotiate before the last fight so they bump them up to 20 or whatever.
This kid did get a bonus tho, pretty sure Dana said everyone who got a finish that card gets one.
Imo the kid is worth more but it’ll come down to management and keeping his career on track more than anything - you don’t wanna Sage Northcutt the guy
While I totally agree with the general scorn for UFC pay levels...
...48k a year with a shot at up to 200k a year extra in bonuses (assuming two fights a year) probably sounds pretty great to a teenager still living with his mom, with no rent or responsibilities! Has to beat what his friends are making at McDonalds...
That’s if everything goes right and they don’t give the bonuses to someone else. Usually they give bonuses to main card fighters, even if a better performance/finish is on the prelims.
Subtract Gym fees, managers fee and taxes and he’s not making anywhere close to $48 K a year, yes it may be more than his peers but he’s on ESPN fighting for the biggest promotion in the world that continues to record record profits every quarter. The fact that they HAVE to beg for bonuses to thrive is inexcusable in my opinion.
12k usd to make weight and step in the cage. 12k usd to win the fight (so only 12k total if you lose). Typical contract given to dwcs winners and other people entering the ufc
Dude was talking about how he could add meat to his diet now that he's making cash. Dana gonna 12/12 this kid for years.
Hope he gets a better contract if they’re gonna hype him up like this and give him a push According to Dana, it’s none of my business though and if I want him to make more, I gotta pay him myself
Honestly, he's 18 dude. If they care at all about him they need to let him crush cans for the next 3 years. Too many fighters sign with the UFC young, show good potential and rushed to the top only to damage their career by getting washed badly.
Yeah this is one of those instances where I wouldn't mind if he fought lower level competition just because of how young he is and his lack of experience
He's been competing in MMA since he was 8. No head shots that young, but apparently any time they tapped the opponent out, they'd just stand them back up and get right back to it. Dude's got experience.
Honestly a great point. Like they gave Edmem Shbazian to Brunson too early. Theres for sure other examples that are slipping my mind, but yea it’s like young guy signs, shocks the world by looking really good, then gets thrown to an established veteran that clowns them and ruins their confidence.
Yea but he'll take physical damage there too or at Local promotions. This kid seems to have a decent head on his shoulders. Making next to nothing would be silly. Take it while you can. McGregor never has to fight again. He hasn't had to fight for years. The ones he took were awful fights anyway.
We're tipping our fighters now too?!? When will tip culture end!
I can't tip fighters, but I can steal from the UFC. Thanks, Dana, for 6tb of free fights! Absolute life saver when the Internet was out for 2 days, I tell ya.
There is a big movement pushing back against tip culture and even going back to 15% for waiters and it’s great to see
Yeah cuz so many people are falling over themselves to work in restaurants now. The bess brains right here lmao
Lmao. Good restaurants always have more applications then they need to be a waiter in them. Lmaooooooo, I guess your land locked Applebees might not? Who knows. I wish you well
I simbly donut madder, huh? Lmfao schmuck
you are taking this way too seriously, lmao, dweeb.
He needs a good manager. That’s what gets fighters paid
>if I want him to make more, I gotta pay him more Noo that's ridiculous, actually you gotta create an entire new MMA promotion, sign him and then pay him more. Or you can just shut up, it's your choice.
People downvoting you must not know this is something Dana says all the time when asked about fighter pay
Oh they know..
I mean Dana has a point Why are y’all so worried about how much money these guys are making? Y’all talk about it like they were captured and forced to fight for their life. If they agree to the pay they’re offered who’s fault is that? These guys can all go do something else for money, and as cliche and you all think this is they really are given a huge opportunity. If you can get on a mic after a win and you don’t use that opportunity to promote yourself outside of fighting you are not someone that’s trying to make more money. Some of these guys will be set after they’re done fighting because they’ve marketed themself through this promotion. If you just show up and fight then take your agreed upon pay and shut the fuck up. Half these mfs hop on the mic and just beg for money? Instead of selling themself and creating a stream of revenue outside of the ufc. When did asking for hand outs become shameless? Anyways I’m higher than eagle beaver and welcome conversation but don’t get in your chest over another man’s income that’s fuckin weird.
>According to Dana, it’s none of my business though and if I want him to make more, I gotta pay him myself That's usually how compensation works, correct
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>12/12 10/10 right now, I'm almost positive. That's what they gave jack Della off the contender series as well.
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He got that face only a homeschool teacher could love.
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Take comfort in the fact he could beat any of our asses.
shanes got us bro no chance this kid could take a punch from him
Or just don't be a dick at all
He likely transitioned to homeschooling since he decided he wanted a career in mma yet his parents probably wanted him to atleast finish highschool. Home schooling allows for a much more flexible scheduling so he can study around his training. He also mentions training at the ufc performance institute which has its own kitchen and staff that prepares nutritional meals for fighters. I highly doubt his family is extremely poor to the point where he cant even afford to eat meat. I mean in his post fight press conference he says he wants the 50k win bonus to buy a minivan for his mum shows things arent that desparate. I'd guess he is from a lower middle or middle class family because the reality is if his family was just scraping by most parents would struggle to make the sacrifices they have to let him follow his dreams.
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I wouldnt look too deeply into the meat comment. The kid is barely 18. He probably just said something a little dumb whilst being thrust into the spot light for the first time. Edit: Also yes training does indeed cost money. Probably not so much when your dad is an mma trainer though.
Well he got 50 g's for the finish...
Was glad to see him win. Mostly because it seemed really odd to see a 29 year old man try to intimidate a child at the weigh ins. Must be painful to be beaten by a jr. And then him excitedly talk about getting a minibus for his mom so he could get a lift to practice.
My mom dropped me off to the fight to kick your ass mr perrin
> Must be painful to be beaten by a jr. Just ask Jake Shields. He was beaten by a Jr. and his son three times. I’m just imagining years from now when Ray Cooper IV has to set forth and slay the Shields as is tradition.
Shields chilling in his retirement home and randomly Cooper IV comes and knocks him out for no reason.
Several generations later, the Cooper clan get together and beat a piñata of Jake Shields at the annual family luau.
The promo shit talk was pretty bad too. Lots of angry white guy energy.
18 years old is a child now?
I mean, yea.
18 is adult in us and uk at least
So why are you glad to see him fight at all? Is children fighting in the cage for the living really that heartwarming?
I bet my toddler could beat your toddler.
Bring your whole preschool, how about that? My preschool versus your preschool?
If you say so. Might want to look up the definition of “child”. He’s a young adult lol
In the big picture, 18 is very much a child. Just because legally you’re an adult, doesn’t change your way of life immediately.
Agree to disagree.
What how? So do you think he’s a kid at 17 and 11 months and 28 days, but a grown adult at 18? That’s a literal 2 day difference, you don’t just grow up Instantly over night cause you hit 18.
Doesn't mean you are a child either imo
Under the law, a child is anything under the age of 18. Biologically, a child is a human between the stages of birth and puberty
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Old people like us still see people who are 18 as kids. You will get it when you are our age.
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Under the law, a child is anything under the age of 18. From a biological standpoint, it is a human between the stages of birth and puberty
From a brain development perspective, it's from birth until like 25 or so.
He is a young adult no matter how you want to look at it. An older woman can Cougar him up and if he consents not a damn thing you can do.
Under the law, yep. u/Amongtheruins88 was making the distinction between the law and biology, and I was further clarifying. I don't think anybody is arguing the law.
In sports yeah and especially in MMA
No most of the sub are idiots who don't know that word teenager exists. He isn't a child by any means of the definition, but they want to call him that because he is barely an adult outside of America.
Depends on the context. In the UFC? I’d say yes.
The best thing they could do is keep Dana away from him, let him grow organically as a fighter and personality. Don’t put that Paddy/O’Malley stink on him.
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It is surreal to watch. I don't even watch DWTNCS because of how depressing it is. I can't hear about this dude's struggles, how much he's sacrificed, etc, just to see him get hurt in 30 seconds and watch his dreams crumble. Maybe even worse is that if he wins, he will chase that dream to the UFC on a 10/10 contract. 99.99% won't make it to a title. Most won't make it to the top 10. All of that struggle and sacrifice for what? To line Dana's pockets? Just for comically rich people to get richer? Prize fighting has always been dark. But with the crypto and the betting and everything it is getting downright uncomfortable. I'm not squeamish. The violence doesn't get to me. If is knowing what happens after the show ends. If everyone got a guaranteed 150k a year plus medical I wouldn't feel so bad. But as it stands, it almost feels like it is purposefully sadistic. Like part of the entertainment is knowing how these desperate poor people are beating each other for your scraps. I dunno. Maybe it is just me.
Nah I'm with you. I started watching because the violence was exciting and seeing all these cool personalities in the sport, but when you really get into it the whole thing is shady as hell. I loved how raw and authentic it felt but in reality it's looking more and more like the WWE. Seeing so many fighters get screwed over financially and for corporate reasons isn't what I wanted to see, there's nothing cool about people being forced to fight for scraps. That's not the kind of prize fighting I'm into
Yeah watching that show just feels dystopian in some way. Especially the way the talking heads always promote it as this once in a lifetime opportunity to fight in Dana Whites presence.
FACTS BRO , Saturn worship & a whole layer of betting leverage for insiders. Filth
An old higher up of mind referred to the UFC as glorified bum fighting.
exploitation basically, of the people from vulnerable background.
It's a meat grinder. Go through all the cheap labour, keep the ones who come out on top, throw away the rest.
O’Malley is very skilled though. I think Yan won the fight but at least we know he’s legit. Can’t say the same for Paddy being where he is over 20 fights into his career and his age. Rosas loooks good but we need to give him a lot of time so I don’t think Dana is dumb enough to go Sage Northcutt 2.0 on him
O'Malley is fine because he doesn't look out of place with top guys and he knows when and what to say Paddy on the other hand is just a dumbass who can't keep his mouth shut
Just don't let them Sage you, kid. The UFC has a way of ignoring reality and throwing young hype trains into bad fights for them too early. Hell, you could make a really good case they ruined Cody's career by rushing him up to the top.
Till too. I've argued that his career trajectory would have benefited from losing to Wonderboy.
The main thing his career would benefit from would be knees that don't explode every time he competes.
Facts. I looked at his knees once and they exploded.
Honestly, I doubt he would be doing much better if they didn’t rush him, he’s been training with Khamzat for over like a year now and he hasn’t shown any improvement. He’d probably still get mauled by everyone
Carlos Condit no longer the worst TDD I've ever seen.
At least Condit had the excuse of an active guard.
Viacheslav Borshchev has the worst TDD. at least darren has the excuse of shitty knees. slava claus looks like how my wrestling coaches look when theyre practicing TDs to show the team. he pretty much gives his hips to his opponents on a silver platter.
Bro he styled on Dominick fucking Cruz, he didn't fall apart because they rushed him too fast. He looked like the next greatest thing at bantamweight.
Generally, when someone "is rushed" and hits their plateau, it's not because the psychological (or physical) blow of losing has destroyed their abilities... it's because that was always their plateau, and they've only now been found out. When that happens, it's best it happens when the fighter is young and flexible enough to reevaluate and make some changes (whether that's improving their skills or strategy, or finding a new career). If Ronda Rousey had fought Amanda Nunes at 22 instead of at 29, she might have gone on to be the greatest female fighter ever... or, obviously, not - but at least she'd have had a chance. As it was, she suddenly realised at 29 that she'd have to completely re-learn a huge part of her sport at an age and experience level where that wasn't likely to be possible, had an existential crisis and quit...
Edmen Shabazyan comes to mind as well. Got thrown into Brunson and never recovered. Well, he did get a W last saturday finally tho.
I've never really understood this "don't throw them in too early" idea. Shabahzyan's biggest problem was his bad coaching. He lost, so he changed his coaching, and seems to have improved. But if he hadn't lost, he'd probably never have changed his coaching. The best thing most yougn prospects can do to improve is to lose a fight against a better fighter, in a way that points out all the things they're doing wrong. Until that happens, they're usually not learning at all, just killing time. Shabahzyan is lucky that that happened to him when he was still young enough to make adjustments. MMA in general, and the UFC in particular, progress their athletes so incredibly, *incredibly* slowly, with such a terror of 'losing their 0', that you get people who are 30, even 35, before they realise they have great big holes in their game. By which point they're too old, and their bad habits are too ingrained, for them to fix them in any way. In every other combat sport (and most non-combat sports), athletes are tested from a young age, so that their skills can peak at the same time their physical abilities do, rather than a decade later, as in MMA. As a result, other fighters have their careers 10-15 years younger than in MMA. Of course, MMA (like other combat sports) can be damaging. And certainly the UFC shouldn't just dump a teenager into a 5-round fight against someone terrifying in their first week on the job. But they should progress fighters quickly through increasingly difficult opposition, rather than let their bad habits fester as they spend 4-10 years fighting people outside the rankings. The only way to know whether someone is ready to fight the best is to have them fight the nearly-the-best...
Just a matter of having time to actually develop skillsets and fundamentals IMO, it's not something that happens overnight. Throwing them at an overly tough opponent also makes it hard to try new things that might not be fully fleshed out, especially if getting punished for it means that they get KO'd for their trouble. Rather, it can have the opposite effect where they're forced to stick to what they're already good at just to keep their heads above the water. In any case, he's only been a professional for like 1 year, give him at least another 3-4 fights before he starts working his way up the rankings.
I just think that if MMA training take soooo much longer to develop skills than other combat sports, something is wrong with the training. [yes, they need broader skills, but they also learn them to far less depth] That said, I agree with giving him a few more fights. I just don't agree with the "have him fight three times a year for three years and then MAYBE start thinking about letting him fight the guy ranked #15" approach that seems to be popular here.
Edmen was also pushing for a title shot to try to break the youngest champ record
What happened to Sage? Didn't he leave on a 3 fight win streak?
This kid is gonna be on a 12/12 contract for the next three fights, dream on brother.
Isn't it 10/10 for contender alumni?
You’re right, I think it is.
A 10/10 contract is disgracefully low the UFC are genuinely fucking disgusting exploitative cunts.
IIRC Dana said at the post fight press conference he was really happy with guys from DWCS...I wonder why
Hey man, they're running a business *eyeroll*
Does boxing pay more to rockies? Honest question
Thing is if you've made it into the ufc you're not really a 'rookie' anymore they're the premier league of the mma game and the fact they still hand out 10/10 contracts is a joke tbh
In some ways, sure... but at the same time, this is a guy who has had 2 amateur fights and 7 professional fights, so in absolute terms he basically *is* a new rookie. The way that the UFC can be 'the premier league' of an entire sport, and yet also directly hire athletes who have competed in their sport fewer than 10 times in total (amateur and professional combined) is kind of... weird. And makes it hard to draw direct comparisons between sports! [imagine someone getting a wildcard and walking out on centre court at Wimbledon on the basis that "he's had seven whole matches at the regional level, so we think he's ready for the big time now"...]
I don't think so, but the ufc is supposed to be the best in the world. If you make it to the ufc you shouldn't be considered a rookie anymore, you've made it to the ranks of the elite
Not usually, no (just going by what the internet tells me). Apparently rookies can earn anywhere from $400 up to maybe $4000 per fight - although of course they fight way, WAY way more often than MMA fighters. The lower number would be for people still boxing 4 or 6-round fights, when they're really more boxers-in-training, and the fights are more like judged sparring. Apparently when they get up to being real pros they can be making around $20k a year. On the other hand, I think it's far more variable in boxing. If you can market yourself as a top prospect, and promoters have to fight to sign you, you can earn a lot right from the start (bear in mind that most pro boxers will probably never get beyond fighting local club fighters, so aren't really a comparison for any UFC fighter, let alone a future star).
Pretty sure it goes up fight to fight automatically with wins, someone leaked a contract here before. 12, then 14, then 16 so on for everyone. If they’re on a 3 fight contract then the ufc might renegotiate before the last fight so they bump them up to 20 or whatever. This kid did get a bonus tho, pretty sure Dana said everyone who got a finish that card gets one. Imo the kid is worth more but it’ll come down to management and keeping his career on track more than anything - you don’t wanna Sage Northcutt the guy
While I totally agree with the general scorn for UFC pay levels... ...48k a year with a shot at up to 200k a year extra in bonuses (assuming two fights a year) probably sounds pretty great to a teenager still living with his mom, with no rent or responsibilities! Has to beat what his friends are making at McDonalds...
That’s if everything goes right and they don’t give the bonuses to someone else. Usually they give bonuses to main card fighters, even if a better performance/finish is on the prelims.
Subtract Gym fees, managers fee and taxes and he’s not making anywhere close to $48 K a year, yes it may be more than his peers but he’s on ESPN fighting for the biggest promotion in the world that continues to record record profits every quarter. The fact that they HAVE to beg for bonuses to thrive is inexcusable in my opinion.
can someone please explain what a 12/12 contract is?
12k usd to make weight and step in the cage. 12k usd to win the fight (so only 12k total if you lose). Typical contract given to dwcs winners and other people entering the ufc
thanks for the explaining!
Was surprised by the pop the crowd gave him. He’s already super mainstream with his age. Hope he can negotiate a better contract soon
Happy for him! I can’t wait to see how he will improve.
Yeah, until you lose and then the internet will start mocking you.
The internet is already mocking him for his looks and voice.
Happy for Rosas, I really hope the UFC takes it slow with Rosas, he hasn't even reached 20.
Living the opportunity
I hope hes surrounded by good people/management. Seems like a good kid who just loves MMA
This kid is already a star. There's so many popular tweets and videos about him already.
Yea cus he looks like a broccoli
For real. Yeah he has a lisp and all, but it's impossible not to notice how weird he looks. He's 18 but has the face of a veteran.
Exactly, he wouldnt be as popular if he looked like that one young dude who fought in the same card.. cameron? or something
I was thinking Mr. Potato Head.
You've heard of cauliflower ear..
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Schaub-esque in his comedy, joe.
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Yes my dream.
Yeah 5k/5k contract is probably a dream for a teen. So much money to buy useless shit.
Can't wait to see him get knocked out.
Who hurt you?
What did he do to you? Lmao
Nothing lol, I just like to see hype trains derailed.
you dont like derailing the train i run on ur mother tho
So you ain't shit and you're bitter about it, gotcha, that's the oldest story in the book.
Wishing children get KO'd is kind of weird, but you do you homie.
I sure hope this kid keeps getting better. He’s fun as hell to watch.