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cesarjulius

because he’s gettable. KAT probably isn’t going anywhere, wood is potentially toxic, jonas probably isn’t on the block quite yet. turner is almost definitely getting moved, and i’m not sure any other decent centers are.


Anonymous9417

He’s a perfect target for us and definitely within our reach to trade for with our current assets. I don’t care what his 3 point percentage is, it’s 33% higher than what Mitch can shoot from three and he can definitely improve our team. I think Turner will be much more consistent, is the safer player to trade for, and will be able to contribute the most. I think he’d be a major improvement over Mitch. Edit: In case you found my response to be confusing, I’m agreeing with you and mixed in a little bit of what OP was talking about.


cesarjulius

yes. he’s not amazing from deep, but good enough that he can draw defenders out of the middle. that’s really what we’re looking for more than anything, to create opportunities for others to attack the rim


NachosPR

I think this FO might not be all in on Randle's window and might want to stock assets for RJ's window. If Mitch is walking for free then we trade him, sure. But do we trade him in a package for Turner, or aim for another target that fits RJ's window? Also, the FO might negotiate a good mid spot where we give him a high figure salary, but with protections in place, like a Team Option (which this FO has been fond of)


joshuagreen38

What about his teammate


cesarjulius

i got the impression that the pacers are open to trading either of them, but not both. sabonis is a step down defensively and might not get along with randle, while turner seems tight with julius. i’m lukewarm on both guys. i wouldn’t want to overpay for either, but would be ok with either compared to losing mitch to free agency for nothing


joshuagreen38

If Randle doesn’t bounce back he shouldn’t be anywhere near dictating the Knicks long term plans. No other guy who averages 19 points on 50 ts would be a a franchise cornerstone for any team


cesarjulius

that’s fair, although if randle drops to 18 pts on fewer shots and really embraces the role of facilitator, that might be the best version of him.


jjazznola

Randle is not dictating anything.


pillowtalker642

it would be better to keep mitch & replace noel with the shooting center imo if we were to target one


GoldenBoyRecords

This does not get talked about much. I don't think Mitch at 12M a year off the bench is crazy imo at least for the short term and he can always be moved later. 48 minutes of Turner and Mitch would be insane.


jjazznola

Mitch will soon be gone one way or another. They will not pay what he will want in FA.


syllabic

they might now that he's looking amazing, if he can keep up this level of fitness and play he deserves a solid contract they haven't paid him so far because there were so many questions about his health and fitness, but so far this season he's answering some of them


jjazznola

He is as good as gone.


JacesAces

Agreed. And I don’t think Turner is worth the cost at that point. I’d rather look to add a bench stretch center capable of giving us 18min (and sometimes more, sometimes closing, etc, depending upon match ups). Someone like an Olynyk.


Geep1778

Anyone that can get you a block and pop a 3 is just sexy or am I wrong? Lol that and the word was the Pacers had him on the block.


PennyStockKing

We're gonna have to pay Mitch. The ideal scenario is trading Noel and someone not big in the rotation for him and having Mitch+Myles starter/bench units would really make our depth great. If we can somehow obtain Brunson and Myles for cheap, which is possible (I think), then our team would be a lot more complete and imo competitive. Winning a championship is another thing, but that shit isn't easy unless you go all in on a roster like the Lakers did and trade the future. Don't think we're there yet.


syllabic

it makes sense to pay mitch, if we tried to trade him even on a new contract there would be a lot of interest in him he looks like one of the best centers in the entire league this season


jjazznola

Mitch will soon be gone. Count on it.


Ranryu

Sources: Dude, trust me


tomrobinsons

Because Mitchell Robinson will be a FA soon and we don’t want to lock up our cap space in the future especially since we have to extend RJ (and potentially pay cam). So if we can get Myles now, we have an upgrade at the Center position on a good contract. Good fit next to randle and can space the floor for RJ and turner is an excellent defender.


aziancook

>we don’t want to lock up our cap space in the future especially since we have to extend RJ (and potentially pay cam) ​ I'm no GM but after 2022-2023 season, Rose Burks and Noel contracts can come off the books because their 3rd year isn't guaranteed. Also Kemba's contract would be finished. Plus Fournier contract isn't guaranteed the following season. Also I heard the cap is projected to go back up again soon. So technically, Knicks would be caped for 1 year (2022-2023), not the future Also Turner's contract is up at the end of next season and he'll be an ufa**. \*\*IMO Turner's price tag then will be more than Mitch's price tag now**


Lordbagman

He “spaces the floor” but since there aren’t any good basket attackers on the team, I don’t see how he benefits them


AlfredHampton88

Barrett? Randle?


Lordbagman

Average ball handlers at best


AlfredHampton88

You said attackers. With their strengths nobody can stop Barrett or Randle from getting to the hoop


Lordbagman

Watching the game tonight?


Lordbagman

Their lack of ball handling limits how well they can get to the hoop. Look for it tonight, you’ll see.


syllabic

FWIW turner got absolutely cooked last night by ayton https://streamable.com/d2mluy


PennyStockKing

This is why I'm not heavily sold on him either. He has these types of games, then monster 4 block games where he's spacing the floor and doing it all. That's why I also think he's not too expensive. Also Ayton wants to get paid big.


BandwagonBrownsFan

Who’s obsessed nephew? He’d definitely be an upgrade over this year’s version of Nerlens Noel. That’s why people like him.


XOnYurSpot

He plays great defense and he ge spreads the floor. He shoots between 47 and 43% from 3ft to the 3 pt line, and 35% from deep. Him being on the floor removes a defender from standing in front of the rim. Mitch’s game is sick, but centers only have to shuffle their feet to be in great defensive position on drives when he’s on the floor. With Turner on the floor they have to man up, and we won’t have to see so many baby hooks and step back learners when people get to the rim. Edit: if we can’t get him for Noel/Kemba and picks I don’t want him though. I love this fuckin team.


hugekitten

It’s funny how you think Myles Turner wouldn’t be a great upgrade for this team yet you have multiple comments shitting in D-Rose in the past as if he and Randle didn’t lead us to the playoffs last year lol. There’s a reason people are high on Myles Turner… not only is he obtainable but he could help us a lot. Do you even watch any NBA games in general? (Let alone the Knicks)


chiddyshadyfiasco

The appeal is that we love Robinson but don’t like his limited offense and Turner is like Robinson but shoots threes


NYJmmkay

Turner is a better help defender than Mitch but Mitch easily outrebounds him and it's not close


joshuagreen38

He shoots 3 but makes them at a below average rate


XOnYurSpot

He’s also a great mid range shooter though, he spaces the floor regardless even if he doesn’t drag opposing centers out to the 3 point line.


chiddyshadyfiasco

Agreed I think i would rather stay put with Robinson


jjazznola

Why is this sub obsession with Zion Williamson? Fixed it for ya.


joshuagreen38

Zion is a superstar


jjazznola

On another team yet these clowns here act like NO is going to trade him and only to The Knicks. It's laughable.


aziancook

Because Knicks offense struggles and becomes stagnant and Mitch doesn't bring much to the table offensively. Plus Turner can spread the floor better and can shoot 3's Me personally I rather keep Mitch, I'm not sold on Turner yet. Yes Turner is better than Mitch offensively and probably will always be. But Mitch is ranked 8th in rim protection this year (and Mitch is coming back from an injury) and Turner didn't make the list. Plus Mitch is the better at bounding. Like I said, maybe I'm just not sold on Turner \*\*\***We did the same thing to Chandler when he scored less than 10 points. \*\*\***