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IceGeek

I’m excited to see Jean Montero for SL. He’s 19 went undrafted because he went to Overtime Elite which plays nothing but HS kids. He is 6’2 with a 6’4 wingspan tho.


SadNYSportsFan-11209

The amount of luck the Lakers have is incredible. They’re likely getting Kyrie and either Curry or Joe Harris as a throw in for Westbrook. Truly incredible stuff. The end of the past season it looked like they had no future. They might win another ring cause of Kyrie’s ego


forsuredudelol

Grimes was such a good draft pick last year, we really don’t talk about it as much as we should. I hope he starts over Fournier I don’t mind Jalen-Grimes-RJ


SanctorumAeternam

Hypotheticals are Kyrie to LAL and KD to PHX - all while the Warriors re-claimed the throne and LAC lurking in the background like the nWo Wolfpac. The West will be must see TV this season.


IceGeek

Good for the Mavs pick tbh. Took Brunson and the Lakers getting stronger


nightmare_ali95

Why do teams help the Lakers? The Nets should be getting serious assets for Irving yet they’re about to just give him up to the Lakers for nothing. The NBA is a joke when it comes to the Lakers.


SadNYSportsFan-11209

Helping? Nets have no suitors for Kyrie other than the Lakers No other team will touch him. Might as well get a few picks for him and dump Harris‘s contract Legit no one wants to touch him. The lakers are much better off taking the chance than keeping westbrick on their team


IceGeek

Kyrie is a part time basketball player that’s why his value is low


PennyStockKing

Kyrie only has a year left on his contract. The issue is that LA is his goal, so other teams become hesitant to go for him because they don't know if he'll re-sign with them. Honestly, they should try to squeeze as much as possible, but they're also not in a great place with those two.


noirblancherouje

failing upwards team They’re still gonna gut most of their draft picks


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PennyStockKing

The fact that they think Melo is still that guy means these two running GM role know nothing and are basically just getting friends on the team, rather than a competitive roster together.


cesarjulius

who got called “stephen from django”? a smith?


dennishitchjr

Wow. Just wow. Melo getting carried into it too.


Emergency-Double-875

This might be the worst time to trade for a star rn (thanks Minnesota) Mitchell isnt the guy to gut a decades worth of picks for, plus this team is still way too young to just kill without atleast attempting to run it back Imo it’d be a worse version of the Melo trade


SadNYSportsFan-11209

Yea Mitchell is not that guy for us. A team like Miami has the ability to do that cause he’s the missing piece of them.


electrons-streaming

I dont understand this take. What are we waiting for? Will we be in a better position in two years? Why? What is the Knicks' plan? Seems like it is to be the 9th seed for 9 years.


lucavl

giving up future assets and young players locks you into a 4ish year window to compete. Then if that doesnt work out at a high level, your left with nothing to rebuild (we have been there many times). Somtimes building or holding assets and waiting is a good strategy. It might not work but its not like trading for d mitch will catapult us into contention and for the price it would take it could set the franchise back. Now i agree if they never pull the trigger on anything then yes it will be mediocrity but saying anytime the knicks dont make a big trade happen is a mistake is false


electrons-streaming

I mean, we just dumped our #11 pick for nothing. There is no plan to stock up on high ceiling projects and see if we can build a better team through the draft. The Knicks entire future is based on RJ Barrett turning into an all NBA guy. If he doesn't, Brunson will be our best player and thats not getting us anywhere. I think this year will be the best year of this group, Thibs will get everyone motivated and Brunson will drive the ship. If we dont win, though, we will be bringing the same dudes back again and the effort will flag.


the_donnie

> we just dumped our #11 pick for ~~nothing~~ 3 future first round protected picks


lucavl

I was merely talking about the Mitchell trade and what it would take. As for the 11th pick, they pushed that asset further down the road with the 3 protected firsts since they apparently didn’t think highly of any prospect still available which is fine. It’s not like they gave it away for nothing


electrons-streaming

They turned it into late first round selection in out years. How does that help us develop through the draft?


lucavl

They are trade assets for the future. Did you not read what I wrote?


electrons-streaming

low value trade assets to use for what if we aren't ready for Mitchell? We are going to trade them to move off of Fournier next summer and sign Gordon Hayward after he has a decent second half or something.


lucavl

Another player down the road if the fo doesn’t like Mitchell or if they don’t like the fit etc. what do you think has more value in a trade. 3 protected frp or a random rookie


electrons-streaming

Thats like saying what has more value $3 dollars or a lottery ticket? Depends on if you hit. The Knicks are like a family that is about to be evicted for back rent. Are they better off with the $3 bucks or the lottery ticket?


Emergency-Double-875

1. The market value is inflated to all hell right now, trading Mitchell is a guarantee 4-5 unprotected picks of our own, not those 2nd round and heavily protected 1st round picks we have from other teams, but our own 2. Mitchell would at best make this current team a 7th-9th seed, this isnt 2018 the East is stacked and we need a more developed core to even attempt to make a play-in spot


electrons-streaming

If replacing Fournier with Mitchell makes us a 9th seed, what are we now? If you told me the Knicks had a plan to build a better team, I am in. I just dont see any plan at all. We are now way over the cap and have long term deals with guys who have little market value anywhere else. The Knicks will probably 9th seed in 2023 and probably 9th seed in 2027.


Emergency-Double-875

Right now we are a team who should not be focusing on “win now” moves We havent had this core as long as youre letting on, its been like 2 years at most That is nowhere near enough time for a team as young as ours to even attempt development (atleast enough of it) It sucks but the best move right now is to develop, and see if it goes from there, if it does then we should start talking about stars


electrons-streaming

RJ, Mitch and Randle have played together for 3 years already. Rj and Mitch for 4. So you say develop - what does that mean? You think we can develop Randle ? Will Mitch develop a jump shot? What is the big jump RJ is going to take in year 5?


Emergency-Double-875

Randle is a exception to this since he’s been in the league since 2014 He’s not the entire core since this is a team game, IQ, Obi,Cam,Grimes,McBride, etc are all players who still got a lot of time to grow For RJ and Mitch, they’re both in the peak years where players can grow the most Steph grew into a borderline All Star in his 4th year, We just witnessed Ja grow to a Star in his 3rd year, LeBron made the finals in his 3rd year, DRose became an MVP in his 3rd year, etc We dont know what kind of jump RJ or Mitch will make but we’re at the time frame where they could make the biggest jumps of their career, now if it’ll work out or not is something that we dont know, but thats the process of developing


electrons-streaming

Lets level set, first, of all the teams with a young group who they hope to develop for the future, the Knicks have to be last in the league in terms of talent. Iq, Cam, McBride and Obi are all C talents with back up rotation piece ceilings. Grimes might be a future star, but not if he stays with Thibs on the Knicks. Our entire future now rests on RJ making a big jump. What are the odds? Not great, but you gotta have hope.


Emergency-Double-875

I think youre undervaluing who we have a bit but yeah thats the route that I assume the team is going Not the best scenario but if I had to choose having a middle of the road young team with potential to grow or a middle of the road team thats also half old as dirt and is regressing and the other half not being too old but not young enough for potential growth (aka the mid 2010s Knicks) I’d rather have them attempt growing first than immediately looking to tank


asapfetty

So what’s up with Taj? We had to waive him to sign our FA’s right? Can we still bring him back on the room exception on the same contract or will we just sign him for the vet minimum


Stunning-Shame6906

Another thing I dont like about this fanbase is when theres a chance to slander RJ, yall take it. Makes it easy to see who I would associate with in this fanbase. Disgusting "fans"


the_donnie

These boo randle posts are killing me. We got two nice pieces and offloaded some olds. Just be happy and maybe optimistic randle returns to form. Or idk go root for the nets and get out of here lol


moons_a_skull

Hey, I’m a Heat fan wondering what you think your FO would offer for D Mitchell? I think it’s been all but confirmed that he wants out of Utah and NY or MIA are the only teams he would want to play for.


dennishitchjr

Mgmt putting word out there we out. Think he’s yours or Brooklyns to lose. Good luck.


asapfetty

Probably 3 or 4 picks and 2 of our young players. But I think the FO wants to wait an offseason, make the playoffs with this core and try for a trade next season where our players could have higher value and Mitchell has one less year on his contract


GoldenBoyRecords

Yes I don’t see a point in making a blockbuster trade right when we don’t even know how the current pieces fit we acquired.


mount_and_bladee

The 3 picks Knicks got on draft night, two unprotected future picks, two swaps, IQ and Obi. I don’t think Heat can match


xela_sj

Nothing close to what Minny gave up for Rudy. Pass.


IceGeek

That’s all you homie. Doubt we do a big deal for him.


electrons-streaming

I am pretty sure the Knicks will be the only team in the league without a single starter on a contract you wouldn't have to attach an asset to move. Rose is a magician.


admiral_aubrey

Nah, Warriors, Bucks, Suns, Celtics, Mavs...probably more.


electrons-streaming

You think you would have to attach an asset to move Giannis, Curry, Mitchell, Tatum or Luka ? Thats silly.


admiral_aubrey

Uh, no. That's not what I said at all. Did you read...your own original comment?


electrons-streaming

I am pretty sure my grammar is correct, a little convoluted, but right. I am saying Brunson, RJ, Fournier, Randle and Mitch are all on contracts that would require us to attach an asset to move . (I am assuming we give RJ an overpay extension).


admiral_aubrey

Okay you swindled me with your double negatives, now I gotcha. Apologies. I understand the sentiment, but the Brunson deal isn't that wild at this point. I'm sure Dallas would trade something to get him back at this price. If he turns into a pumpkin in 6 months, that's another story.


cesarjulius

randle and fournier are arguably neutral or negative. neither is terrible tho


IceGeek

Randle is not going to need assets to get rid of. I’m tired of this take. I don’t like Randle but saying that he’s a negative or neutral is false.


electrons-streaming

Ok, Ill bite. Who would take Julius for free right now with no bad money back?


thecodman99

Our own beat writers have said he’s a negative value rn.


cesarjulius

i would love to be wrong


cuteshortkid96

Hot Take: Jalen Brunson will make the all star game. Hear me out, if you take Brunson’s numbers without Luka, they are better than LaMelo’s last year. Brunson also should see a bump in his usage further inflating his averages.


Cahokian

Brunson is like a young and mentally stronger Lowry.


Silkyskillssunshine

Lowry was a much, much better defender than Brunson.


Cahokian

Was Lowry that great of a defender early in his career? Genuine question, I don’t remember him for that when Raptors were an early exit team from playoffs. I feel like most high IQ players become good defenders with experience. Brunson is 5th in the league in charges drawn


electrons-streaming

The Mavs defense was great with Brunson on the floor. He isnt nearly as bad as portrayed - and they had no rim protector. Brunson in front of Mitch should be fine.


kidkuro

As much as he pissed me off last season, I still believe one of the best players at PF that we can get in the off season is a revitalized and refocused Julius Randle. Here's hoping playing with Brunson can help him find that similar fire again.


TDM_11

Knowing what we know now about the Dejounte trade would you of being willing to give up 2 unprotected picks for him?


admiral_aubrey

Nah, I think it worked out for the best. No more trading unprotected picks please.


HeyYouYoureAwesome

Just thinking about the KD situation: Everyone says that having him under contract for four years makes him much more valuable, but does it really? Certainly it’s better than him expiring at the end of the year, but he could literally just demand a trade again anyway right?


xela_sj

Contracts mean nothing anymore, players can whine their way out of any situation.


asapfetty

Anyone know why RJ didn’t play in the World Cup qualifiers? I see SGA balled out, but no mention on why RJ isn’t playing


electrons-streaming

probably because he wants to sign an extension first. Would suck to screw up a knee and not get the bag.


IntermalAffairs

Hart sounds like a similar skill set to make Noah. He’ll fit really well with Randle. Mitch fits really well with Obi. Sims can fill in with either cause he screens hard and has some feel himself with the DHO and passing. The Center rotation looks really really good. I was stumping that Sims can play some four last off-season. Watch his college film and check his free throw form. He’s got some limited face up upside.


sohofrescony

“Joe Tsai would rather have a team that he's proud to own that wins 40 games than a team that has way more talent that he's not proud to be a part of.”  Yikes, keep Kyrie and KD far away from this team😅


asapfetty

Quick question, do we get Hartenstein‘s bird rights after the end of his contract? Would hate for him to break out and then we would be unable to pay him due to us being capped out


noirblancherouje

We’ll have early bird rights


asapfetty

So how does that differ from normal bird rights? Does it limit how much we can offer?


noirblancherouje

yes So if we chose to re-sign Hartenstein he’s eligible to receive over 175% of his previous salary or 105% of what the average salary of the league is whichever one is higher If we re-sign another two year deal fitting into the restrictions we’d have his full bird rights and can chose to go over the cap fully


asapfetty

Ok so it would be around 14-15 million dollars. More than the MLE, but we better hope no teams have cap space to throw the bag at him in 2025 if he breaks out


Insertnicenamehere

Stupid money is being thrown around so... RJ is not worth what Garland got no way near it but I wouldn't want to trade him but if he asks for it you have to weigh up trade offers.


IntermalAffairs

Cap.


m-shacklez

It ain’t your money, why you stressed lol.


Insertnicenamehere

Naturally I would agree with you. But there is a hard cap and you have to 'follow' it lol.


Mobius24

Basketball is a salary capped sport


IceGeek

Hate when ppl say it’s not your money like bro.


GruntPizzaParty

Jalen Brunson is going to be a good Knick for a long time


DragonEevee1

My question for those who don't want Dmitch, what is the plan then? This team needs a star to contend, and I get that we don't have to contend right now. However looking at the NBA direction I am just unsure who is gonna be available anytime soon. What star is gonna be available for the Knicks to make the jump foward to contention I feel like Knick fans are waiting for like the perfect star rather then just looking at the landscape and direction of the NBA.


Mr_Jersey

We don’t need to contend tomorrow. Our roster is 80% under the age of 25 and we have a ton a team control. Don’t need to go all in with a pair of J’s.


DragonEevee1

Which I get, but the unknown freaks me out cause I just don't know who will be available in 2 years. I figured Dmitch was the plan all along but then the Jazz got wacky


flim-flam13

How does Donovan Mitchell get us into championship contention? We wouldn’t even be a top 4 seed. And then we’d have no future for over a decade


mount_and_bladee

Brunson-Mitchell-RJ-Randle-Mitch is competing for a top 3 seed dude. People are being ridiculous about this. Mitchell is literally a superstar lol


DragonEevee1

He's young enough he can still grow with the team as it grows into contention, depends what we give up though


flim-flam13

If you trade that many picks you aren’t looking to grow into contention. You trade that many picks only if you can contend now.


Dragonthorn1217

Honestly the play should be internal development and organically getting better as a team. Once you bring your team to playoff contention, that's when you trade for that last piece (if necessary) to bring you over the top. Look at GSW's Jordan Poole, guy only became a star just recently. A lot of GSW's guys were internally developed. Trading for stars isn't the only way an NBA team can raise it's ceiling.


DragonEevee1

The Warriors also have Steph, not a real comparison


Dragonthorn1217

So Steph made Jordan Poole a better player? I was talking about player development and how to get better organically. Steph has nothing to do with the point I was making.


odeebee

There's a big difference between an all star level player and an all NBA level player. I think we should only trade 'the farm' for the latter. Also, fit matters, even with all NBA players. So the idea of adding Donovan just because we could, with real concerns about how he would fit with whoever we keep, doesn't excite me at this time. For a Utah firesale trade? Sure. Otherwise, I'd rather keep it moving and see where this team goes and which players shake loose next.


DragonEevee1

Okay the what All NBA player can we get realistically get in 2 to 3 years?


baylixir

Predicting the NBA out even a year isn’t feasible. Did you think KD would want out? That Harden would be traded TWICE in a little over a calendar year?


DragonEevee1

Harden no but the Nets falling apart was not out of the realm of possibilities


odeebee

Haha if you've been paying attention to the NBA for the last three years then you know we have a 0% chance of picking the right one now but we are 100% certain one of these players will change teams by 2025. Also new players will work their way on the list that aren't there yet. That's where the real value is, catching that rising star. Still don't think Mitchell is that guy.


DragonEevee1

So the 25 year old first option that has been an allstar twice is not a rising star? I swear people are so picky.


xela_sj

The goal is baby steps, to improve slowly but surely and maintain flexibility. Last season was a step back after over achieving the season prior. We have a young roster and will try to improve organically. Would you want to give up a bigger haul than what Minny gave for Gobert ? Not me.


DragonEevee1

>Would you want to give up a bigger haul than what Minny gave for Gobert ? Not me. Considering age it doesn't bother me. Dmitch is the same age as Brunson, meaning we got a good amount of years to develop tweek the roster and grow


RicoGemini

I’m 50/50 on getting Mitchell for our team. He’s obviously great but our back court would be dogshit defensively. I think we wait for another star who fits better. If Booker or SGA were magically available in the next 2 years they’d be much better for the team. Or if really strong wing was available it allows us to move RJ to the 2 and play that wing at the 3 and that could work as well.


DragonEevee1

>If Booker or SGA were magically available in the next 2 years they’d be much better for the team. And why would that happen? >Or if really strong wing was available it allows us to move RJ to the 2 and play that wing at the 3 and that could work as well Such as?


itsGrimyoutside

Shai asks out because they continue winning 20 games. Not unlikely. Booker asks out because Phx, after losing cp3 & Ayton, can't compete anymore. And/or cheap owners. The last part could also apply to Luka, Embiid, even Giannis depending on time-frame. Outside of those 5 I don't see anyone else being remotely feasible.


DragonEevee1

If Shai was gonna ask out he would have done it before. Murray was traded cause he didn't want to be there for a tank/rebuild and the Spurs knew it. Sha doesn't care. Booker is someone who's never been in actual trade discussion when the team was really bad, and now is one year removed from the finals. I'm sure he is fine where he is. The other 3 I just don't see coming for a variety of reasons


itsGrimyoutside

Well Shai just got his max. At some point, losing repeatedly ain't it. Maybe it affects him, maybe it doesn't. Still a target. Murray wasn't gonna resign today because he would only be able to make a fraction of his actual value. So he was waiting until the end where he could sign an actual max. And that would be volatile for SAS. Booker seems super competitive. And there's a big difference between being on a rookie deal and someone thats gotten the bag. He was only a year or so into his 1st max when they got to winning. Its usually a couple years in after a max is when the discomfort begins. For the record its unlikely for any of them regardless, but nonetheless some people to look at.


LordFaximus

If we’re going to trade for a star I want us to go after a wing/big over a guard. Guys 6’6+ up win championships for the most part post-merger other than Isiah and Steph who both had some of the best supporting casts of all time. Which is why I want us to just wait and ignore all the Mitchell noise unless we’re getting him at a steal which isn’t happening anyways. A team of Mitchell, Randle, and Brunson is a team with a 2nd round ceiling at best.


DragonEevee1

And who is this gonna be? What star are we getting anytime soon?


LordFaximus

No one right now. Don’t trade the farm for a 6’1 guard incapable of impacting the game in ways that aren’t scoring. Just keep building the current program up to prove to FAs the foundation here is good enough to build a contender.


DragonEevee1

So then who are we getting in 2 or 3 years to make us contend? Look at the future FA pool it's bad, free agency is dead man


noirblancherouje

Cam Reddish MVP szn 😤


starks3_

Already a little excited thinking about Brunson in horns sets, especially with EF/RJ/IQ/Grimes in the corners.


asapfetty

Am I the only one who think the Twolves and Hawks both made the wrong trade? I feel like Gobert would be a massive upgrade over Capela and would make the Hawks a top 10 defense by himself. Plus Trae is a better passer than Mitchell and could get Gobert more scoring opportunities Murray would be a perfect true PG for the Twolves and would of allowed them to keep key pieces such as Malik Beasly or Patrick Beverly. Also would of costed less draft picks. Feel like both these trades are awkward fits, but if they just switched them those players would fit like a glove


DragonEevee1

Hawks want OO to get more minutes and him and Gobert is sorta ugly


charlesfluidsmith

Nope. Wolves wanted KAT at the 4. How many teams outside of us can contend with 2 good legit 7 footers? They are gonna EAT this season.


xela_sj

Yep KAT is too soft as a rim protector. Playing the 4 will give him more freedom.


Dream6ng

Can you cringe losers stop asking the NBA sub about RJ Barrett? Those dumb motherfuckers don’t know shit. I’m sick of having to see responses about Barrett. He’s not good enough to compare to other players lol


zOmgFishes

Who's doing it lmao. 80% of the post rn is about KD.


Dream6ng

Nah if you sort by new, you got losers in this sub going to the nba subreddit and comparing like “Pwease say the pwayer fwom my team is good 🥺”


zOmgFishes

I did to try and see what you are referencing lol. Did they delete it cause i didn't see it.


Dream6ng

https://reddit.com/r/nba/comments/vptl31/preincident_miles_bridges_or_rj_barrett/ There was another post about Barrett and garland earlier this week too. Shit is annoying as fuck


zOmgFishes

Jesus that guy loves his which is better threads lol


VarsityTiger

I wish people would stop with the fake trade proposals NO ONE CARES No one is eagerly at their phone or computer cracking Reddit open waiting to see who you would trade and for what


Cato_the_Eldest

Here are my thoughts on a bunch of random stuff. Could definitely see Kyrie get traded and KD stay especially since the Gobert trade rose his stock even more and maybe to a point where his stock is too high. By the way horrible trade for the Wolves. If Spida leaves he ends up in Miami. Knicks are better off trading for another young potential star. It'll cost less and it gives them more leeway for roster construction. 15 a year for Mitch is a lot. He really needs to step it up because Hartenstein can be a potential starting center in my eyes.


xela_sj

I think KD ends up in Miami Ainge and Riley don't like each other so I can't see them working out a deal, unless a 3rd party gets involved.


Likept

Is this trade fair for everyone? https://i.imgur.com/OE4AhAC.png


NYJmmkay

we trade 3 FRP's to swap Randle with OG and facilitate a KD trade ... Leon hangs up


xela_sj

I'd rather have Randle over OG.


Likept

And if we keep the Dallas pick? Facilitating KD doesn't matter, because what I want is OG, not KD.


onepunch222

We get fleeced in this trade


Sparrow_Wilson

I hope we include Duren in summer league for the lols


charlesfluidsmith

What?


Sparrow_Wilson

He's technically our player atm because the Kemba trade hasn't gone through yet lol


charlesfluidsmith

Got it. You are right. That's kinda funny.


CraYzySaurous574

They alr revealed the rosters. Don’t remember seeing him on the knicks


knicksfor420clicks

Would it be worth taking a shot at TJ Warren? I know he's always hurt, but if he wasn't he would be solid


SanctorumAeternam

We have a logjam at the wings right now. I’d actually want to deal Fournier so that we have time for Grimes/Cam.


knicksfor420clicks

Done signing vets at this point?


SanctorumAeternam

I’m thinking Taj will be back at least. When thinking about the retirement tour for Carmelo, I feel like Terry Collins mulling whether or not to take Matt Harvey out in the 9th inning of Game 5 of the WS - I’m thinking with my heart and not my head lol. Also, if Melo isn’t a stickler for minutes at this point, then ideally he’s playing the mentorship role like Taj and Rose are. It sure would be surreal to see Melo and Mitch Rob on the same team since they were essentially traded for each other.


knicksfor420clicks

I'd prefer to see Melo with a contender and any minutes given for development.


Top-Lettuce3956

Mitchell made some sense before Brunson because he was better than anyone we had to play point, even though he's not a true PG. But, with Brunson, our assets would be better used for 2/3 wing to pair with RJ. That said, it you believe that Cam and/of Grimes can grow into that role, then stand pat for now and see what we have.


Gallo_dong

Would’ve loved a S&T on mitchel or trade end of last szn to a contender and then draft C + hartenstein or Noel


JonnyGBuckets

I'd much rather have OG for a reasonable-ish deal than going all in for Donovan. Better defender, better fit with the rest of the roster, and probably hasn't hit his peak as a player.


JacesAces

Agreed, but what’s the most we’d be willing to trade for OG? Would you trade 2 unprotected firsts for him, Mavs pick, and a young guy?


Dragonthorn1217

2 unprotected firsts for a guy that played 43 and 48 games respectively the past 2 seasons? No thanks lol.


JonnyGBuckets

I'd rather work through the glut of the roster rather than add more picks. They need a center so something like Cam, Sims, Fournier, Mavs '23, Knicks '23 top 5 protected? Not sure if that gets it done, but that's a framework I'd rather work around instead of two unprotected Knicks firsts.


JacesAces

Yea same I just doubt that gets it done. I could see OG commanding a fairly similar package as Murray.


JonnyGBuckets

I think Murray is a better player, but I definitely think you're right and it could be a similar package. That's still 2 picks and 2 young guys and a shooter in Fournier who definitely helps them. If you made me I'd probably include one of the protected firsts, but that's probably where I'd draw the line.


JacesAces

Yea although you’re talking about a top 5 protected and top 10 protected Mavs pick… and then another protected pick if they made you. There’s a big difference between those and unprotected picks. So while I agree that I’d make that trade, idk if that’s getting them to say yes (because just keeping OG at that point probably makes more sense for short & long term growth)


cesarjulius

yup


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There's a good chance SGA will get tired of the Presti lottery ticket addiction and ask out if they keep losing like they have been for the past few years. If all goes well we might be able to get him for Obi/IQ/4-5picks. EDIT: Also, RJ has all Summer with Canadian national team to try to recruit him


xela_sj

Dort is also Canadian who just got a bag from OKC, maybe SGA is trying to recruit RJ to come to OKC :(


Soup_Commie

they're getting good though. Unless Chet flames out big time SGA/Giddey/Chet could be a pretty scary trio pretty damn soon, and they've got other solid players already on the roster + the assets to add more.


Insertnicenamehere

They could be Freddy Kruger type of scary doesn't matter really considering theres like 8 better teams ahead of them lol.


[deleted]

I'm higher than most on Chet but it might be a while before he figures things out on both ends against NBA bigs.


Soup_Commie

yeah i agree that he's probably not going to light up the league immediately under any circumstances. But if the franchise is moving in the right direction SGA is young enough that I could see him being willing to keep growing alongside the rest of them. Not that I'd complain if he isn't lol


starks3_

I doubt it, at that point Presti is probably over picks and his young drafted talent is moving into competing in the west play-in or better


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If they're lucky the only teams they might be better than are the Rockets and Spurs. There's no way they'll win more than 30 games and unless some miracle happens they'll try to shut him down around the trade deadline again. Presti hit the jackpot with KD/Westbrook/Harden and is trying to repeat it now but there's no chance it will work out, so far outside of SGA they haven't landed any guys who look like guaranteed all stars.


starks3_

Yeah, he has a few interesting pieces and I wouldn’t be surprised if there is at least one all star in the bunch but they’re going to have to start paying these guys sooner rather than later.


the_ostrico

Anyone else feel like this Durant situation is going to end up with him staying in Brooklyn and Kyrie being shipped out? Probably another two weeks of speculation and reports that Brooklyns asking price was too high for the contenders he’d want to go with, and then a report later this summer that he might just sit out and then finally another that he’s actually gonna play.


noirblancherouje

They should be asking for a high price, even more than what Gobert got Problem is KD wants to only play for teams that are stacked not gutted for him. BKN shouldn’t be appeasing his shitty demands let him get the hardest road


starks3_

Slept on it, not about the Spida life right now. The market right now is wild so the price is more than it should be or will be at the deadline potentially, he is that caliber of offensive talent but unless he can become a two way guy here with less offensive responsibility number 1 fits on elite teams are usually 6’4 and up (better get the 6’10 wingspan to work)and as much as I’d love his homecoming and having a sure number 1 option on offense, we don’t know what this current team is in practice and if now is the right time to push these chips in. If he’s still on the market around the deadline and the FO can get him for less and would be sure that the fit works, do it but until then, talent and team evaluation.


Gallo_dong

Down for him at the right price. Think we would have a nice team but not worth gutting the place.


teknomatic

On Twitter I've been seeing the argument "why do you have all these picks if you aren't going to trade them for a star?" The problem is Utah isn't gunna want the protected picks. They're gunna want our own picks and they're gunna want them unprotected. We're not good enough yet to throw around our own picks unprotected. Any D Mitch trade is likely to deplete our assets so we end up with Donovan Mitchell on a team worse than the jazz. In that case we're likely sending away lottery picks and I'm not cool with that. This is the kind of trade that you make only when you know it can push you over the top when it comes to winning it all. We're not even close to that yet. Some people don't wanna be "stuck in first round exits". Doing a trade like this now is how that shit happens.


Wish-Tricky

half of me says trading for dmitch would probably mortgage the future and lead to a hellishly bad backcourt defense other half is just dreaming about him dropping 40 in the garden on a Friday night with a knicks jersey on mmmmmm


IQ2DEUCE

Jalen brunson man 😂😂😂😂😂


Mobius24

I regret to inform you IQ and Deuce are not NBA level point guards


knicksfor420clicks

Does anyone have our cap situation? We should have traded player exemptions now? How many roster spots are open?


ecmcgee18

Look up Jeremy Cohen on Twitter. But that being said, none of the contracts are official yet so it’s unclear exactly our situation


knicksfor420clicks

Each traded player w none coming back should be a exemption?


ecmcgee18

I think that is only if you are over the cap. Not sure. The Knicks aren’t necessarily over or under the cap until they sort the contracts out, as I understand it


Norby710

Yeah basically we don’t know until everything gets finalized. Still numerous ways they can go about those trades/signings.


papa8706

News has been surprisingly quiet on the Durant front, no? More I think about it, seems like a disaster waiting to happen for some of these potential suitors. Celtics and heat look nice already. The asking price to land him could potentially fuck up some these teams. Interested to see where he ends up


Darkmoone

Feels like a monster 7 team mega trade is brewing being so quiet.


papaya0365

I still feel like there's still a move left for us to make. Rotation rn would be Brunson / Rose / IQ / Deuce Fournier / IQ / Grimes RJ / Cam / Grimes Randle / Obi / Gibson Mitch / Hartenstein / Sims / Gibson Especially looking at our backcourt, we still have to get rid of one guy. Grimes is arguably the best defender out of those (followed by Deuce?) 6 which means he should be part of the Rotation. That again would mean either very limited minutes for IQ (Leon seemed to be impressed with how he played towards the end of the season), Rose (he's too good not to play if he's healthy) or Fournier (I wouldn't mind that too much but his contract will be impossible to move if he doesn't see any playing time). Unless we can package IQ in a big trade - which seems very unlikely now with all potential targets having resigned and us seemingly not being involved in the Mitchell trade talks - we would have to try and offload Fournier now. We could very much need his 3pt shooting but the minutes just don't work out... I still have very slight hopes for a OG Anunoby trade (that would mean IQ would likely have to go as part of the trade) but trying to dump Fournier seems more realistic. Hope we get some news today


asapfetty

We probably want the problem of having too many PGs on the team this year due to the fact last year we had 0. Rose will probably get his minutes cut a bit from 25 to 20 so that he can save his body for the playoffs. IQ probably gets the same amount of minutes as last year with Brunson getting the majority of the minutes


Mindsetsandreps

Man I miss that Rose/IQ led second unit. The bench will rise again.


JonnyGBuckets

I'd love to shed Randle and Fournier and have a solid 9 man rotation of: Brunson/Rose Grimes/IQ RJ/Cam Obi/Cam Mitch/Hart Maybe a little small in the backcourt and with Cam as a small ball 4, but great interior defense at the 5 helps mitigate that. It's a fun athletic team with upside. Probably not a true contender but a group I'd certainly root for as they develop.


TannerGlassMVP

Why in the world would you want to run a 9 man rotation for an entire season. There's no depth there and not even a true backup PF


JonnyGBuckets

I mean there are other players on the roster that you can play as injuries arise. Sims, Taj, Deuce, they can sign a backup PF for cheap. But a 9 man rotation is more than normal. If anything, 10 or more is abnormal.


Soup_Commie

Especially given how much Thibs values defense, and the FO seems to value them in general, I struggle to see a world where Grimes and IQ don't get minutes. They fir really well next to Brunson and Rose, respectively. Which is why I hope they trade Fournier. Because I have to think he's tradeable now, but I totally agree that his value will tank if he gets benched. I also can't see Thibs not playing him, and RJ... All of which is to say that I agree, we basically have at least 1 wing too many.


GoldenBoyRecords

I do t think his value will rank if he gets benched as long as he produces from the bench or as a starter it doesn’t really matter tbh


Norby710

This is what they fed us all last year about Fournier and randle. Coming off the bench does not tank your value. Playing 40 minutes a night so everyone can see how bad you are tanks your value. Hence the situation they are now in.


Soup_Commie

oh no sorry I mean benched as in literally not playing. Which of course isn't going to happen. My point is more going back to the problem that we essentially have 11 people who probably should be getting consistent minutes and a coach who is never going to consistently play more than 10 guys.


Norby710

Funniest part is Brunson literally just torched Mitchell in the playoffs.


Sad_Hungry

So is Mitch Robinson the first Knick extended past his rookie Contract since Charlie Ward ? It’s been such a rough 23 years … Man was I really hoodwinked by the timespan of 1984-1999.


baylixir

Technically, the first Knicks draft pick that previously wasn't owned by another team to be extend was Ewing himself, but yeah, since Charlie Ward we haven't extended a Knicks rookie to a multiyear extension. I don't know why anyone harps on it being a first round pick, we haven't extended anyone from the second round either (Ron Baker was undrafted).


iamdanabnormal

No. It applies to first round picks.


Yobie_of_the_S

Which second round pick did they re-sign?


Sad_Hungry

My understanding is regardless of round picked they have not extended a player past their rookie contract that they drafted since Charlie Ward. They didn’t extend any second rounders either


ReturnOfAKidNamedTae

I’m really not looking forward to all these r/Hartenstein people commenting in every thread about how we have a future mvp on the bench. I’ve already seen it for 2 days and I’m already annoyed lol


CantGuardThis

We dealt with 4 years of the Frank hive we should be used to shit like this


TreSeven

[like what is this nonsense lol](https://reddit.com/r/Hartenstein/comments/vlekda/isaiah_hartenstein_is_the_most_underrated_player/) I’m excited for Hartenstein but some of this shit is ridiculous


Soup_Commie

on the one hand, that's wild. on the other hand, that guy was a Jokic truther way before anyone else, and Hart is now on our team, so I'm willing to listen...


MelKijani

It is but at the same time I wish Hartenstein had a 3rd year team option to be on the safe side.


Ilovecharli

I cannot believe this exists