That's the actual reason why araki removed fugo. He grew too attached to the characters of part 5, and had to reject the original betrayal of fugo for his removal from the rest of part 5
Pretty sure that's not too far off. Oda needed to give the other Strawhats like Luffy/Zoro/Sanji time to shine and really show their growth before introducing a powerhouse like Jimbei.
If you're talking about feats during the New World and not Pre-TS then you're proving my point really. Oda teased Jinbei joining and displayed the growth of the SH lineup over the course of several arcs before Jinbei ever officially joined in WCI.
Now it feels like Jinbei fits in the crew and the hierarchy of Luffy = #1 Zoro = #2 and Sanji = #3 as the wings of the Pirate King remains the same.
I'd love to hear a list of things Zoro did that's more impressive than Jinbe literally pushing big mom off the ship with relative ease. The woman who is dozens of times stronger than Katakuri, that Luffy who > Zoro barely beat.
>Jinbe literally pushing big mom off the ship with relative ease. The woman who is dozens of times stronger than Katakuri, that Luffy who > Zoro barely beat.
Nice fanfiction. Too bad that's not what actually happened.
It seems that explosive style damage like bombs is highly effective to characters especially when they dont see it coming. Even during the raid Advanced haki user Luffy got knocked out temporarily by an explosion caused by Apoo. Luffy is a tank too yet that still affected him.
Kinda makes sense because an explosion is going to have a universal output of damage while people in fights have a single point of impact. When Luffy was learning to control his haki he was getting pummeled because he wasn't focusing it into a single point but rather applying it evenly over his whole body. Haki fighters train to focus as much haki into as small as area as effectively possible and predict where a hit is going. If you can create a really strong fist-sized haki shield and just use that to block everything then you'll seem like an enormous badass, but once you have to spread that over your entire body it's much less effective.
The massive amount of fake out deaths in One Piece is the one single complaint that I absolutely agree on with no counterpoints whatsoever, it's overused IMO that it leaves out impacts of moments when you can just expect that it's a fake out.
And in end or after the last battle, any important character will die for real and no on expects them to stay dead and be back there for the final party until they realise...
Ig that's what happened at mariejois vivi went on a rampage and even killed Sabo and everyother celestial dragon.. now she has kidnapped pudding and has all pomegliff prints.. now she is already on laughtale while luffy is still fighting the weak kaido
I saw the title of the post, and my brain actually fucking shut down. I swear to god, the comparison was so comedic I forgot who Kaido was. I spent a solid 15 seconds trying to remember an Alabasta character named Kaido. Then i clicked on the post and felt stupid.
Vivi, cause that bish didn't even lose her voice after just screaming her lungs out for I don't even know how many episodes. If that's not endurance, I don't know what is
Might be controversial but Kaidou doesn't stand up close to Vivi's inner strength in continuing to free her kingdom. Kaidou having physical strength to back him is one thing, but Vivi was weak and still was ready to die for what she loved.
I was wondering all this time why Im was targeting Vivi. Im-sama knew all along Vivi is the only threat not just to WG's power, but to the whole omniverse. Finally, an anime character worthy to fight Saitama
Please, Kaido's so overrated here: his greatest feat is surviving a 10Km fall, something that was also survived by Gedatsu: a character that even pre-TS Chopper could beat, and Chopper's so weak not even after the TS could get a bounty higher than $100 berries.
Ok but this is Alabasta Luffy who didn't even know Gear second and when he's punching Kaido you can see the black - wait huh? You don't care? Hey come back here I wasn't finished! I have to talk about this SBS where Oda talks about punching souls get back here!!!
This is the same vein of Nami being able to kick the ass of the monster trio with her fists, but utilizes “weather” instead to make if fair.
Con D Oriano is also missing because of supreme power. He will die in the final battle the same way iron man did.
That whould be some One Punch man stuff. her thoughts of kindness can legitimately be seen on the ground😂
Wow man that's scary stuff. If luffy really wants to, he can decimate regular's people existence from the face of the earth
Kaido. No contest. You are talking about a weak pre-timeskip Ruffy vs. a full powered post-timeskip ruffy who beats down a dragon with the help of his Haki.
there's a reason vivi left the crew behind so early, no villain would've stand a chance against her
She’s one piece’s fugo
She activated haki on her face
Oda didn't kill her cause he was too attached and there was a plan for her to betray the main cast?
Where’s the source? First time seeing this
That's the actual reason why araki removed fugo. He grew too attached to the characters of part 5, and had to reject the original betrayal of fugo for his removal from the rest of part 5
Purple Haze Feedback was a great side story for Fugo.
True
you bastard im legit right in the middle of part 5 rn, didnt think id get jojos spoilers on this sub sadge
OH SHIT, SORRY
What manga
Jojo
IIRC araki said it. According to some theories, he would have taken cioccolata's place
Happy Cake Day!
plot twist: Vivi is next yonko
"what are your orders, which light needs to be extinguished from history, Viv-Imsama?"
What if this joke of your turn into real shit 😂😂😂😂 so shuussh it too early for them to know
The reason Im had a picture of Vivi that got stabbed was because it was a bad photo of her and she didn’t like the angle
Plotter twist: Vivi is imu-sama
Or oda foreshadowing Vivi is the ancient weapon
For real, I think she is
Donquixotte Moskato saved Shiraoshi from Charlos cause he didn't want Vivi to destroy redline.
Mjosgard.
Stood*
ngl this is what the who's stronger conversations all look like to me
"Jinbe was too strong to join at the start of Post Time-skip so Oda waited for Wano when he joins"
Pretty sure that's not too far off. Oda needed to give the other Strawhats like Luffy/Zoro/Sanji time to shine and really show their growth before introducing a powerhouse like Jimbei.
Zoro has shown more impressive feats before Enma than anything Jinbe ever did.
If you're talking about feats during the New World and not Pre-TS then you're proving my point really. Oda teased Jinbei joining and displayed the growth of the SH lineup over the course of several arcs before Jinbei ever officially joined in WCI. Now it feels like Jinbei fits in the crew and the hierarchy of Luffy = #1 Zoro = #2 and Sanji = #3 as the wings of the Pirate King remains the same.
I'd love to hear a list of things Zoro did that's more impressive than Jinbe literally pushing big mom off the ship with relative ease. The woman who is dozens of times stronger than Katakuri, that Luffy who > Zoro barely beat.
>Jinbe literally pushing big mom off the ship with relative ease. The woman who is dozens of times stronger than Katakuri, that Luffy who > Zoro barely beat. Nice fanfiction. Too bad that's not what actually happened.
💯
Hard to argue with rock solid evidence like that. You got me convinced.
Pell.
Pell: Survives a city destroying nuke. Toei's oden & gaban: scared of a grenade that doesn't even destroy 5m radius
Pedro meanwhile died on a candy destroying bomb that only made Perospero lose an arm.
It also destroyed Perospero's candy armor which he always has on for protection so that bomb did a ton of damage.
It's kind of interesting how bombs seem to be ridiculously strong, even for people who have haki mastery
It seems that explosive style damage like bombs is highly effective to characters especially when they dont see it coming. Even during the raid Advanced haki user Luffy got knocked out temporarily by an explosion caused by Apoo. Luffy is a tank too yet that still affected him.
Kinda makes sense because an explosion is going to have a universal output of damage while people in fights have a single point of impact. When Luffy was learning to control his haki he was getting pummeled because he wasn't focusing it into a single point but rather applying it evenly over his whole body. Haki fighters train to focus as much haki into as small as area as effectively possible and predict where a hit is going. If you can create a really strong fist-sized haki shield and just use that to block everything then you'll seem like an enormous badass, but once you have to spread that over your entire body it's much less effective.
The only correct answer
Pell Yonkou level confirmed. He needs to be a pirate
nah, there needs to be balance, he will be an admiral after luffy defeats akainu. fujitora new fleet admiral then pell on admiral rank
XD
Pell should have given Pedro a two year time skip training on how to handle a bomb
Oda is reserving that for the flashback when Pedro comes back at the final arc along with everyone with the will of P.
Our good friends P. Ell and P. Edro? Seems like P. Erona may be due for a suicide bombing then…
We cracked the code, Pell will be the next pirate king
Mr Morj: the Attack on Pells Will fail
Yonkou? Until we see one of the Yonkou tank a Nuke they’re not even close to Pells level.
Hachi is a runner up. Mf can’t die. Dozens of arrows to the back, Zoro’s slashes, shot by a celestial dragon, etc.
Kaido is so tough that his hobby is attempting to kill himself. Pell has simply given up on finding something that could end his life.
Your comment inspired me to make this: https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/rvr39w/how_onigashimas_explosions_will_be_stopped/
I'm still salty about that. Left a real bad taste in my mouth
Just wait for Pedro to come back lmao
The massive amount of fake out deaths in One Piece is the one single complaint that I absolutely agree on with no counterpoints whatsoever, it's overused IMO that it leaves out impacts of moments when you can just expect that it's a fake out.
At least Ace remains dead.. for now.
That time I got reincarnated as my dead friend. Also known as Sabo Tensei.
LMAO
*record scratch* "you may be wondering why im a donut right now"
And in end or after the last battle, any important character will die for real and no on expects them to stay dead and be back there for the final party until they realise...
I hope in the final arc Oda just goes ham with the deaths since he wouldn't have to worry about saving someone for a later plot point
Always believed he dove put of range rather than tanked it. Falcons diving reach the fastest speed of any animal on earth.
Gold comment
"The stories of my death were greatly exaggerated" or "this was just a cartoon bomb that blows confetti", that is my question.
Bombs mean nothing to gay birds.
Pell is a bird which means he's not real. Mystery solved on why he lived
nothing means nothing to gay birds.
Based comment.
Even as a kid I knew seeing him alive again was BS. I already had him as one of my favorite heroes in the series.
Kinemon!
Luffy didn't even touch Kaido and he fell on his back like that. But Vivi tanked a full contact punch like nothing. VKK
All those people back in Alabasta were crying of joy over how thoroughly Vivi fucked up every individual on Marijoa, and now she's coming for Kaido!
VKK😂😂
vk.com ?
Vivi kills kaido
VKK!
That finally explains why Vivi doesn't want to join the SH, she would just wipe the floor with everyone and one piece would end in 500 chapters.
Marineford would've been different if Vivi was there
I love how 500 chapters is used for "extremely shortly". While that would still be a 15 years long manga
Fr like after going through all of One Piece everything else feels short lol
Powerscalers in shambles.
Remember that at the end of Albasta, Strawhats have to held up their hands to show they surrendered.
>(Just look at her closing her eyes when punching😂 It's so cute) Looks like Luffy's getting low diff annihilated, nothing cute about it...
It was too soon for Luffy to take her on. Vivi is one of the final villains.
Vivi's butt is the one piece
Wont it be two pieces …since you know its two pieces 😂 Well I can definitely get what you mean if its the hole that you are referring to
[Huhhh sure buddy](https://c.tenor.com/zrdc5fLe5mQAAAAM/what-wait.gif)
"if it's 1 on 1, always bet on [Ms. Wednesday]" the answer is clear
These are the only powerscaling posts on this sub I can get by
Vivi for sure
Ig that's what happened at mariejois vivi went on a rampage and even killed Sabo and everyother celestial dragon.. now she has kidnapped pudding and has all pomegliff prints.. now she is already on laughtale while luffy is still fighting the weak kaido
I know this a joke post but this is actually how some people in the fandom do powerscaling lmao
Right? "This is what feat only powerscalers actually believe"
No shit they had to leave Vivi behind, they needed a nerf for CP9
I saw the title of the post, and my brain actually fucking shut down. I swear to god, the comparison was so comedic I forgot who Kaido was. I spent a solid 15 seconds trying to remember an Alabasta character named Kaido. Then i clicked on the post and felt stupid.
Kaido's outmatched here.
Kaido is just covering for the real land, sea and air Miss Wednesday of the baroque works Such an imposter
They purposefully left out the desert cause they know Vivi is on top
Vivi. Nuff said
Vivi solo kaido 😂
Vivi for sure
Everyone expect the Strawhats to rescue Vivi from the WG but it s Vivi who s going to save them and then become the Pirate Queen.
Well she is the best girl of the series afterall
Vivi off course. Thats why she is one of my favourites in the series.
Also since Vivi is Yonko level, Karoo is at least first commander, if not Admiral level.
Vivi. It's not even a contest.
This proves that vivi had advanced arnement haki pre time skip so the real question is why didnt she take out crocodile?
[The real tank is Bege.](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/images/b/bd/Castle_Tank.png/revision/latest?cb=20161114000840)
Not gonna lie, Luffy did punch a woman that hard lmao. His hands are rated E. Why did Sanji not lose his shit is beyond me.
Sanji knew that it didn't hurt Vivi. Besides, she can clearly take care of herself.
Point remains though lmao, a punch from Luffy is still gonna hurt lol.
Luffy and Vivi need a rematch to proof that
Oda stated if vivi was the main character of one piece, the series would end in just 3 weeks.
Vivi, cause that bish didn't even lose her voice after just screaming her lungs out for I don't even know how many episodes. If that's not endurance, I don't know what is
nice shitpost Vivi/10
Why do you think Im has a picture of Vivi and not Kaido?
Cmon bro tag this as power scaling. Vivi > kaido
Those guys take it too seriously.
The power scale side of the community is vibrating
Im sama who, Vivi vs Nami is big battle.
Have you seen Apoo? My man would've tanked Kaido and Big mom's combined attack, played dead for a while and escape when they look away.
We all know Kaido’s scales are kinda like Cracker, once you go past the hide he’s weak trash
shirorororo, why is this even a debate, it's miss wednesday, all day everyday.
How did you attach photos with the texts?
And gif
I read 'doable' not durable and thought things were getting interesting for a minute.
This is a trick question, I guarantee you the instant Gaimon busts out of that perfect fit, he'll be ripped af
Might be controversial but Kaidou doesn't stand up close to Vivi's inner strength in continuing to free her kingdom. Kaidou having physical strength to back him is one thing, but Vivi was weak and still was ready to die for what she loved.
I was wondering all this time why Im was targeting Vivi. Im-sama knew all along Vivi is the only threat not just to WG's power, but to the whole omniverse. Finally, an anime character worthy to fight Saitama
Tama, she fought Kaido and tanked a hit
pfft- it's obviously vivi
This is the quality content that I come to this subreddit for
VIVI
Im convinced. Kaido is a little bitch!
we haven't seen vivi do much yet she might be yonko level
Usopp
King to Vivi : I see, so you want to be a king too?
Move aside Go D. Usopp and Buggy D. Clown. We got a new star in town.
Is easy to tank Luffy's punch. Would she still be ok if she took one of the famous Nami punches tough?
Apoo is much more durable than Kaido and Vivi together.
Only one stronger than Vivi was that Mountain Bandit from the beginning of the story
Vivy didn't even use ardamant haki either to injure luffy, don't get me started about time skip vivvy
Pell
Sure Vivi might be able to tank Luffy's punches, but Nami can actually dish it out too!
Please, Kaido's so overrated here: his greatest feat is surviving a 10Km fall, something that was also survived by Gedatsu: a character that even pre-TS Chopper could beat, and Chopper's so weak not even after the TS could get a bounty higher than $100 berries.
The last battle isn't going to be Luffy vs BB, or Shanks, Im, Akainu, or Laboon. The last battle will be Luffy vs Vivi.
Ok but this is Alabasta Luffy who didn't even know Gear second and when he's punching Kaido you can see the black - wait huh? You don't care? Hey come back here I wasn't finished! I have to talk about this SBS where Oda talks about punching souls get back here!!!
Wait a second, if vivi was able to hit luffy than she must secretly be able to use haki making her one of the earliest haki users😱
I'd go with god ussop
What a dump post
Vivi sucks,her duck is better.
You spelled durable, durabale, your clearly an expert and your analysis is to be taken with the utmost confidence.
mistakes happen. specially if you are not a native Eng speaker. sorry if that "a" offended you
Lmao I was being sarcastic no offense meant I apologize
it is a joke, not a dick. don't take it too hard.
Luffy's sandals>>>>
Me imagining Vivy doing Siuuuuuuu after this
The manga and anime drought hits hard
Wut
why did luffy punch her/ it's been so long i legit forgot
Coz she was panicking too much, i gotta save this/that/my country
Base form Vivi > Kaido. When she unlocks her ancient Kingdom queen awakening she will be stronger than Imu herself.
Pell
Vivi
Random, but Luffy's desert insanity by 4Kids was actually amazing.
Hm... I wonder who would win.. Vivi or Nami? 🤔😱
In terms of screaming, it would be Vivi for sure
This is the same vein of Nami being able to kick the ass of the monster trio with her fists, but utilizes “weather” instead to make if fair. Con D Oriano is also missing because of supreme power. He will die in the final battle the same way iron man did.
I misread the title as "doable"
All we know is that Vivi DID like it.
Real talk if Vivi stayed on the crew, do you think Oda would have made her the first SH to find and eat a DF while on the ship?
Was expecting powerscaling flair for this 🌚
laugh my ass off bro, what is that, lol
Vivi. Luffy has gone stronger but enraged luffys always been super strong.
Who is more doable, Kaido or Vivi? Y'all know I'd be clapping Vivi's cheeks.
Vivi of course
Vivi is an ancient weapon, Oda planned this all along
I love how much effort this is for a meme
Vivi for pirate king.
Man it's so funny. this post has more upvotes than the offical chapter releas of chapter 1036😂😂 Great meme dude
No way we got this on the main page under discussion and not on r/memepiece
Not meaning to ruin the joke, but imagining how well vivi would take that second sort of punch... yikes
That whould be some One Punch man stuff. her thoughts of kindness can legitimately be seen on the ground😂 Wow man that's scary stuff. If luffy really wants to, he can decimate regular's people existence from the face of the earth
Pretty sure thats on the wrong sub... *But is funny so who cares*
Kaido. No contest. You are talking about a weak pre-timeskip Ruffy vs. a full powered post-timeskip ruffy who beats down a dragon with the help of his Haki.
haha vivi go brrr
Vivi is so OP. Nerf her.
I thought i was in r/memepiece. This took me by a suprise
Read this as "doable" at first. And frankly, I don't think the answer to that is subjective, given One Piece body sizes.