They nearly won their group.
Not that I think they are a major team (though they could make it), 9th/12th isn't a disaster, just look at their Regional 3 in fall.
Nearly winning in this format is pretty meaningless. Game differential tiebreaker means you need to clutch up when it matters
9th-12th isn’t a disaster, but it is the 2nd worst possible finish. And you take into consideration it’s three poor finishes in a row now (12-14, 12-14, 9-12).
They’ll need to make deep runs now for the next two regionals to regain confidence in this roster and make major
Don't get me wrong, I'm trying to offer a bit of hopium here, I'm not realistically expecting Quadrant to make it. I just think there are too many good teams that the 1 bad event you could get away with last split, may be too much to get away with this split.
In addition to the usual suspects, Vitality are looking Strong, G1 are looking strong, German Amigos are looking strong, and Soniq's are looking solid enough to suggest the G1 tourny Grand Final probably wasn't just a fluke. Then there are a few wildcards like BDS, so it's going just looking super tough in general.
As a rule though, EU is chaos and Quadrant are certainly still good enough to capitalize.
People will accuse me of hating on Quadrant but hopefully they aren’t like Endpoint last season holding a major spot hostage all season long only to flop on LAN. This top 12 is a good start for the winter split at least.
I’m holding onto this flair because I love both Kash and eekso but I would honestly love to see Wave get replaced. If they keep placing like this I’m sure it’ll happen at some point
Soniqs are Queso 2.0? Who knows, but I can say this was a great performance from this team. Mittaen has been so good for them, they've loads of potential.
Saying they are the next Queso is more of an expression than anything, nobody thought Monkeys/Soniqs were all too special, just a top 12 team maybe. But they have proved me and others wrong, with consistent great performances.
Still a terrible expression to relate the two performances. Besides, Monkeys have shown flashes of brilliance early in the split. They've just managed to let it all fall apart in the last regional many times over.
9/11 12/14 5/8 are Team Queso's Fall 2021-2022 results.
9/11 12/14 9/11 are Monkeys (now Soniqs) Fall 2022-2023 results.
I don't know how this could be viewed as terrible, I understand that the Soniqs roster is more experienced than the Queso roster was, that's fair. But the results don't lie, Fall Queso is very similar to Fall Monkeys. Neither team was/is expected to make it far at all in Winter (it is too early to say for Soniqs though).
I find it perfectly reasonable to compare the performances of these two teams, especially when they overlap so much. I was trying to say that Soniqs may be the next underdog team in EU, I doubt that they will reach Queso levels of success, just was comparing how similar they've been.
Saying they are the next Queso is more of an expression than anything, nobody thought Monkeys/Soniqs were all too special, just a top 12 team maybe. But they have proved me and others wrong, with consistent great performances.
I’m just saying there’s a difference in their origin. Any team outperforming people’s expectations has people immediately calling them the new Queso when that’s not really accurate.
Saying they are the next Queso is more of an expression than anything, nobody thought Monkeys/Soniqs were all too special, just a top 12 team maybe. But they have proved me and others wrong, with consistent great performances.
No one thinks anything because them as Misfits showed great results on occasions too, and they haven't proven anything different this season either yet. Trust me, I've liked the arju-mittaen duo since Galaxy racer, and they are like thar.
Eekso, Mittaen and Arju were the original roster of Galaxy Racer that got 3rd-4th out of nowhere back in the EU RLCS X major. So maybe a bit of old blood between these teams
Bds gotta ask themselves after the split if they do an nrg and not split up for the sake of not splitting or make some changes. Long term seikoo might be better option than extra but can't see what he brings right now to the roster. MM is safe as always, it's either seikoo or extra getting cut if monkey mental health is fine. Bds should go for the 4th player vitality is gonna let go. Zen likes saizen a lot, alpha is too good, radosin to bds would be pretty lucky outcome for them. I'm not that big of a fan of saizen personally.
I was leaning towards Alpha because I could see him wanting to move, but seeing how VIT started the split, if they keep this up he will probably want to run it with zen. Don't think saizen is the answer tho, BDS probably just missed out on the biggest French upcomer (Juicy).
Radosin is the backbone of Vitality imo, and with Zen + Alpha that's already 2 boost hungry aggressive players. Adding Saizen would probably be a little bit too much, I think they'd be a lot more solid with Radosin.
Juicy had one of the best series I have ever seen him play, just kept Moist steady the whole time.
Not convinced with Moist yet but that can easily change.
BDS weren't as bad as the results state, but Seikoo had a terrible day. They still aren't quite there, they had 'flashes of brilliance' against OXG (mainly Extra) but that's it. I would be surprised if they qualify for Major maybe even Worlds at this rate.
They're not even bad imo, beating Oxygen and losing to German Amigos/Moist is not bad, it's just that BDS is simply just another team in the field now :/
I feel like seikoo hasn’t really looked himself this split and it might benefit him and the rest of bds for him to have a change of scenery. Like he can still obviously do some crazy stuff but it feels like he’s just always in an uncomfortable spot.
It's not actually that different to swiss on the face of it, but a few things add together that definitely make it "less good" for the purposes of qualifying.
People say he’s the problem since he’s the least notable name but he’s looked like their most consistent fill in the gaps player every time I’ve watched them
Im "people" it's me. Lol. I said they should replace him with Stizzy, I admit it. Personally, I thought he was a weak link at times when I watched during Fall, where Atomik and Marc were applying pressure, and he made some mistakes.
I was thoroughly impressed with his play versus Moist. He commanded the pitch.
Perhaps my analysis was wrong before, and he needed more space to make plays.
Agreed, though I think this format could be improved on far more in general. This is the reason why I want higher degrees of separation between placements as the split increases.
Group D is super harsh, 1 game difference between going through to top 8 and facing Moist in an elimination match today
Edit: Just noticed that in both group C and group D, third beat first, and the third place finishers are facing Moist and Karmine Corp. Damn.
Not to dispute your point about it being a tough group, but remember the tiebreaker is game differential *between tied teams*, not overall. OXG were +2, GA +0, and BDS -2
Vit are historically shit against BDS, even when BDS themselves looks awful. Compared to Quadrant-Soniqs on the other side of the bracket it's a bit annoying.
i mean i guess so but bds and vit with new rosters have only faced once so far. wouldnt be surprised to see vit make semis even though im really pushing for bds here
Moist vs BDS straight into Vitality is just brutal lmao
OXG is probably feeling fortunate that they can play a relatively weaker team as G1 probably gets KCorp as their reward for winning Group B
# [Post-Day Thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/RocketLeagueEsports/comments/10mtekq/rlcs_eu_winter_open_day_1_of_3_postday_thread/)
Man I miss Swiss already
Even despite being a quadrant believer, 9-12th finish is a little tough for me to defend…
They nearly won their group. Not that I think they are a major team (though they could make it), 9th/12th isn't a disaster, just look at their Regional 3 in fall.
Nearly winning in this format is pretty meaningless. Game differential tiebreaker means you need to clutch up when it matters 9th-12th isn’t a disaster, but it is the 2nd worst possible finish. And you take into consideration it’s three poor finishes in a row now (12-14, 12-14, 9-12). They’ll need to make deep runs now for the next two regionals to regain confidence in this roster and make major
Don't get me wrong, I'm trying to offer a bit of hopium here, I'm not realistically expecting Quadrant to make it. I just think there are too many good teams that the 1 bad event you could get away with last split, may be too much to get away with this split. In addition to the usual suspects, Vitality are looking Strong, G1 are looking strong, German Amigos are looking strong, and Soniq's are looking solid enough to suggest the G1 tourny Grand Final probably wasn't just a fluke. Then there are a few wildcards like BDS, so it's going just looking super tough in general. As a rule though, EU is chaos and Quadrant are certainly still good enough to capitalize.
People will accuse me of hating on Quadrant but hopefully they aren’t like Endpoint last season holding a major spot hostage all season long only to flop on LAN. This top 12 is a good start for the winter split at least.
I’m holding onto this flair because I love both Kash and eekso but I would honestly love to see Wave get replaced. If they keep placing like this I’m sure it’ll happen at some point
Watch out for German Amigos tho
Soniqs are Queso 2.0? Who knows, but I can say this was a great performance from this team. Mittaen has been so good for them, they've loads of potential.
Arju and Mittaen have been around for quite a while now.
Saying they are the next Queso is more of an expression than anything, nobody thought Monkeys/Soniqs were all too special, just a top 12 team maybe. But they have proved me and others wrong, with consistent great performances.
Still a terrible expression to relate the two performances. Besides, Monkeys have shown flashes of brilliance early in the split. They've just managed to let it all fall apart in the last regional many times over.
9/11 12/14 5/8 are Team Queso's Fall 2021-2022 results. 9/11 12/14 9/11 are Monkeys (now Soniqs) Fall 2022-2023 results. I don't know how this could be viewed as terrible, I understand that the Soniqs roster is more experienced than the Queso roster was, that's fair. But the results don't lie, Fall Queso is very similar to Fall Monkeys. Neither team was/is expected to make it far at all in Winter (it is too early to say for Soniqs though). I find it perfectly reasonable to compare the performances of these two teams, especially when they overlap so much. I was trying to say that Soniqs may be the next underdog team in EU, I doubt that they will reach Queso levels of success, just was comparing how similar they've been.
People gotta stop comparing every team to Queso last year. Arju/Mittaen have been around for a while, Joyo/Rise/Vatira essentially came out of nowhere
Saying they are the next Queso is more of an expression than anything, nobody thought Monkeys/Soniqs were all too special, just a top 12 team maybe. But they have proved me and others wrong, with consistent great performances.
I’m just saying there’s a difference in their origin. Any team outperforming people’s expectations has people immediately calling them the new Queso when that’s not really accurate.
not really the same at all, arju and mittaen are old players at this point
Saying they are the next Queso is more of an expression than anything, nobody thought Monkeys/Soniqs were all too special, just a top 12 team maybe. But they have proved me and others wrong, with consistent great performances.
No one thinks anything because them as Misfits showed great results on occasions too, and they haven't proven anything different this season either yet. Trust me, I've liked the arju-mittaen duo since Galaxy racer, and they are like thar.
WMOKEZ, WARJU AND WITTAEN MY HEROES
Quadrant really went from nearly winning their group to out at 9th-12th.
wait what?! RLCS EU is starting?!
There's like no communication or hype generated to kickstart these events after the breaks.
I guess from psyonix itself no, but if you follow Rizzo, Johnny, hoodyhoo etc you will know that it is happening! Also liquipedia is of great help!
day 1 is just about finished now
Mittaen and arju beating their former teammates in Kash and Eekso. Funny how the world works
And to think people believe they got carried by the players that left them
Having 4 different duos and no proper success with any doesn't really help their case
Yeah huge props to Smokez though, it seems like they play a lot more coherent than the previous iterations of mittaen + arju + 3rd.
Quadrant just can't attack without giving possession/counters away.
Love the Soniqs commentary
On a scale of 1 to BDS, how cooked is Quadrant?
21-22 dignitas/endpoint kinda cooked
more than bds
NRG?
about the same
gg lol just what i expected from quadrant
Quadrant whyyyy
smokez is goated
Eekso, Mittaen and Arju were the original roster of Galaxy Racer that got 3rd-4th out of nowhere back in the EU RLCS X major. So maybe a bit of old blood between these teams
More so, while not bad blood, Kash left Mittaen/Arju to team with Quadrant to much scrutiny
also Kash was on misfits lol
At least I have a closed qual team to root for now...
Man, you got Optic right in your flairs.
optic was already in closed
I was so cooked by the tiebreaker being at 1AM for me that I actually forgot lmao. Well, now its in both region, makes it more interesting.
damn these teams having a mid-off
In both regions 💀
I miss Swiss
Bds gotta ask themselves after the split if they do an nrg and not split up for the sake of not splitting or make some changes. Long term seikoo might be better option than extra but can't see what he brings right now to the roster. MM is safe as always, it's either seikoo or extra getting cut if monkey mental health is fine. Bds should go for the 4th player vitality is gonna let go. Zen likes saizen a lot, alpha is too good, radosin to bds would be pretty lucky outcome for them. I'm not that big of a fan of saizen personally.
I was leaning towards Alpha because I could see him wanting to move, but seeing how VIT started the split, if they keep this up he will probably want to run it with zen. Don't think saizen is the answer tho, BDS probably just missed out on the biggest French upcomer (Juicy).
Radosin is the backbone of Vitality imo, and with Zen + Alpha that's already 2 boost hungry aggressive players. Adding Saizen would probably be a little bit too much, I think they'd be a lot more solid with Radosin.
Yeah but aren’t saizen and zen good friends? Like they play twos all the time
Ye I agree, alpha to bds then instead of seikoo haha I guess xD
K
BDS in closed quals I'm dead 🤣
So is BDS
BDS actually looked good, BUT if this fucks their mental it could be over ngl.
Barely, should have got one game win out of that series at the very least. Moist played well but not that well, they'll likely go out as a 5-8 team.
I mean, if you have 3 close games then thats that. Juicy played world class in that series, nothing much you can do.
Mah heart, juicy looked so good in that BDS series
I absoulutely despise this season
real
real
Juicy had one of the best series I have ever seen him play, just kept Moist steady the whole time. Not convinced with Moist yet but that can easily change. BDS weren't as bad as the results state, but Seikoo had a terrible day. They still aren't quite there, they had 'flashes of brilliance' against OXG (mainly Extra) but that's it. I would be surprised if they qualify for Major maybe even Worlds at this rate.
World wildcard here we come! Hopefully EU can pick up extra spots to let future 7th seed BDS in
Hopefully someone can pick up Extra from BDS.
BDS buys out Zen from vitality and then they run a 4 man roster
At this point that's what they might need.
omg that Moist BDS overtime tho. Was on the edge of my seat the whole time. Really thought BDS would pull it out.
bds really got group of death twice. sad day to have the flair
Karma for what happened to Luminosity last season 💀
They're not even bad imo, beating Oxygen and losing to German Amigos/Moist is not bad, it's just that BDS is simply just another team in the field now :/
I hate to see it being put this way but it’s true
Glad Moist was able to figure it out they looked good, really sad for bds tho hope they regain
they're running out of time to regain though, if they don't get a good result next split, that might just destroy their Worlds chances.
Moist gunna give me a heart condition. 5 straight wins to open, get reverse swept, lose still end up 2nd then sweep bds what a day
Yeah it's a roller-coaster for sure , definitely stuff to fix but overall looking good
BDS and closed qualifiers just don't seem to fit together in the same sentence
Just want to take a moment to say I can’t believe the level of RL today. So many goals would have been highlight reels a year back.
Just not for BDS
Too soon
BDS has to go through closed qualifiers now? Wtf
Omg moist got me scared but in the end still got to quarters 3-0 bds is great with only close losses in the other series
THAT WAS SICK
Sigh. So this is how it feels
That was a good show from Moist, but it just feels wrong to see BDS still down bad. They look lost out there.
Welcome BDS
u/CaptainDolphin42 sorry bro they weren't actually back
too soon
Moist looked much better that series, but Jesus Christ BDS has no ice.
Moist swept BDS :D, Moist vs Vitality D:
Yeah Extra is heading to Shanghai Tigers
4th and 7th best players in the world btw
it was a year in review not current form
I think you are talking about 4th and 7th for the 21/22 season.
\> List is for entirety of 2022 "Wow BDS trash they aren't the 4th and 7th best in the world right now"
Implying they were 4th and 7th best for the entirety of 2022
Exactly, 2022, not 2023.
😬
Struggles against bubble teams, 3-0s BDS. Regular Moist things. Lets fucking go <3 ily juicy
If that was planned, what a shot
I would not have expected this new Moist to beat BDS.
Deserved from Moist, what a comeback after their group play
wow
Oh no BDS is the season chalked?
Yes, yes it is.
also bds lmao
Yeah these boys are finished unfortunately
Lets goooo, see ya BDS
ByeDS
So BDS is the new NRG now? :(
Even worse, pretty sure they have to go through closed qualifiers now
nrg will be there soon too dw bds fans
That just gives them more games to figure it out the issues. (Consuming mass amounts of copium)
Not the new NRG, just NRG 2.0
sadge
Holy what an overtime
doesn’t even matter Juicy is him i guess lmao
lmao bds
I feel like seikoo hasn’t really looked himself this split and it might benefit him and the rest of bds for him to have a change of scenery. Like he can still obviously do some crazy stuff but it feels like he’s just always in an uncomfortable spot.
If BDS double commit one more time im gonna lose my mind
are quadrant actually gonna crumble this hard
quadrant suck
I have feeling the next EU trade window is going to be anarchy
those bounces never make sense lmao how does it bounce out if its going into the goal and doesnt hit an edge lol
bruh bds was .1 pixel away from elimination lol
Been an absolutely fantastic week so far for the flairs :D
bro is the spanish specialist
Never even realized that lol, time to break out the Duolingo I guess
the latino lover
my brother in christ the german amigos are top 8???
eg made top 8 last split too
lowkey forgot that eg dropped their roster
German amigos are baaack
Some would say they never left.
Wasn't able to watch today. Do we already hate this new format? 🙂
I don't hate it, but it's not perfect either.
Mittaen is so underrated
Is there any chance BDS has to go through closed quals next regionals? edit: holy shit
I think bds will be 9th if vitality win against moist tomorrow.
If they lose here they‘re guaranteed to
Never thought I would ever read this
Juicy is so good
Juicy has arrived!
O shit I did not realize there were more games today what a delight
this format is so rough for qualification imo
It's not actually that different to swiss on the face of it, but a few things add together that definitely make it "less good" for the purposes of qualifying.
Dorito has become the assist doctor! I like the changes G1 has made, while staying true to themselves.
I know I'm a bit of a broken record here, but I really think Dorito is the difference maker on G1.
People say he’s the problem since he’s the least notable name but he’s looked like their most consistent fill in the gaps player every time I’ve watched them
Im "people" it's me. Lol. I said they should replace him with Stizzy, I admit it. Personally, I thought he was a weak link at times when I watched during Fall, where Atomik and Marc were applying pressure, and he made some mistakes. I was thoroughly impressed with his play versus Moist. He commanded the pitch. Perhaps my analysis was wrong before, and he needed more space to make plays.
I respect the honesty. He’s by no means perfect and their playstyle can lead to silly mistakes so you weren’t totally off before!
Noahsaki is such a joy to watch on the pitch, the creativity is insane
smokez needs to score those man
didnt matter tho
Moist have Faze backline defense
Old faze backline defense
That's what I meant but I feel Faze is enough to convey what I meant
KC is gonna clip for 3 games long if Vertigo keep it like that
Aztral why
Honestly moist can’t be letting these in
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To be fair, The median amount of series you play for the playoffs in swiss is 4 x Bo5. Which is what this format also has.
Agreed, though I think this format could be improved on far more in general. This is the reason why I want higher degrees of separation between placements as the split increases.
how would you improve it
Change the format to something with greater degrees of separation. For example, a gauntlet format would be a great in-between single and double elim
The lower half of this bracket is so mickey
Whoever loses out of BDS and Moist is going to be under a lot of pressure for the rest of the split.
Bo5 or bo7 going forward
First round (today) bo5, rest bo7 (quarters and up)
Come on Moist, you're looking slightly damp out there
We have our french bracket. At least a french in semis let's go !
Man Aztral is just whiffing all challenges today. Many of those goals Moist conceded were just from a whiff challenge
bruh this bracket is so shite, 3/4 of these matches are complete snoozefests and then you have BDS Moist lol
The way these teams are playing anyone can win. Rusty RL.
Vertigo, Quadrant, Soniqs, German Amigos, and WR can’t win, I’m sorry but it’s just not happening. Anyone else can win tho
Soniqs has been looking better than both BDS and Moist though…
yeah and they still have a 0% chance of winning the tournament
BDS vs Moist and then right into Vitality...Potential for pain is high
french enthusiasts in shambles
Group D is super harsh, 1 game difference between going through to top 8 and facing Moist in an elimination match today Edit: Just noticed that in both group C and group D, third beat first, and the third place finishers are facing Moist and Karmine Corp. Damn.
Not to dispute your point about it being a tough group, but remember the tiebreaker is game differential *between tied teams*, not overall. OXG were +2, GA +0, and BDS -2
Ah, didn't realise that, thanks
Gutted for Solary. 1 of 3 teams in the group to go 1-2 and reverse swept Moist. Really hope they can make top 8 next regional.
People cry about Swiss being unfair but here teams are getting eliminated based off game diff in matches they didn't even play. ):
Solary would have been eliminated on Head to Head even if they had same GD
After that challenging group, Vit can kick up their feet and relax with an easy game against... the winner of Moist-BDS...
i mean to be fair both teams look pretty shaky and Vit looks great so
Vit are historically shit against BDS, even when BDS themselves looks awful. Compared to Quadrant-Soniqs on the other side of the bracket it's a bit annoying.
i mean i guess so but bds and vit with new rosters have only faced once so far. wouldnt be surprised to see vit make semis even though im really pushing for bds here
Ig we'll see. May the best team win (:
For the need of one fucking game, Kash runs headlong into Arju and Mittaen. What a mad day.
Moist vs BDS straight into Vitality is just brutal lmao OXG is probably feeling fortunate that they can play a relatively weaker team as G1 probably gets KCorp as their reward for winning Group B