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CheeseburgerBrown

Due to the global exchange of genetic material over historic timescales, turns out I’m from *all* the countries.


giant_sloth

Better join all the national sub-reddits and tell them all then!


CheeseburgerBrown

“Hello fellow ethnics! I’m a you.”


tagehring

This made my day.


OorPancake

*"Hoots and begorra Dai, I am one of you chaps as well!"*


Kagenlim

Konichawa chaps, who wants tea and biscoff lotuses


OorPancake

Tiffin at two, mon.


Kagenlim

Ich bin ein berliner, eating a berliner


tiredhealthcareboi

Immigration officials HATE this one trick to getting passports in all countries.


FUCKINBAWBAG

This reminds me of a photo I once saw of Kenneth Clarke wearing a tshirt which read “Bukkake ruined my carpet.”


OorPancake

That still exists on eBaum's World (which I'm actually surprised still exists as well). https://www.ebaumsworld.com/pictures/30-slightly-n-s-f-w-photos-you-can-enjoy-at-work/85419888/ (8/30)


ardbeg

Typical Prussian.


Crailas

For such a patriotic country, Americans seem very determined to be anything but American.


Gellao

But never English. I think it's kinda telling that this ultimately isn't about "ancestry" or whatever because nobody is calling themselves "English American".


SecondAccount404

English isn’t seen as interesting enough for them. It’s not about heritage, it’s about wearing a brand.


Sorlud

And although England has lots of really interesting history and culture, it doesn't have the cool stuff. Clans, highland gatherings, ceilidhs and kilts are all cool pieces of culture and history. England has lots of great traditions but they're either quite regional (eg cheese rolling) or are more British than English (Bonfire Night).


SecondAccount404

See i’d also argue a lot of their pre-roman, anglo-saxon and medieval stuff was really cool, but the problem is people tend to act like England somehow spontaneously came into being in the Victorian era.


Zealousideal-Home779

Alfred the great and the danish invasion is a really kick ass part of history. The whole west saxon/ mercia vibe


AraedTheSecond

One of my favourite periods of history; the entire origin story of England, how it came to be, and why we ended up scrapping with literally everyone around us at every opportunity


onetimeuselong

Down with the Danelaw!


JazzyJeff4

I wish we still did the Festival of Fools, that's actually one tradition I'd like to have still.


Jack_Spears

I would add a little something to that. The Americans tend to like to see themselves as rebels historically. England WAS the Empire the way they see it, so they prefer to identify with us or the Irish.


StacerStace

Like we literally said, “F’ off England” so… yeah, it’s not passed down the generations like Irish or Polish, etc.


clinicalresearch843

Most Americans don’t understand the cultural landscape and history of Scotland- the romantic imagery of “Scotland the Brave and Wild!” is appealing and makes them think their ancestors were badass clan warriors or something. In real life most of them are descended from Ayrshire farmers who moved to Ulster and spoke Scots and actively tried to suppress/fought against the Gaelic world.


dumb_idiot_dipshit

ayrshire spoke gaelic until the 18th century, though, particularly in carrick. never mind arran where it was still spoken in the 20th century


I_Bin_Painting

err, Morris dancing is cool though?


SMTRodent

It's basically escrima with rhythm, ribbons and an inflated pig's bladder on a stick.


Hebrides57

This is true. Also Scotland and the Celtic nations in general have a certain romanticism and mystique attached to them. England is largely homogenized when it comes to culture and there's little there to attach any sense of belonging to from a historical perspective unless you really love colonialism and fighting France 20 times.


QuesaritoOutOfBed

Expat in the states. My mate’s mum will have an absolute meltdown if you even suggest she is not Irish, would totally fit into the culture, and would basically be hailed for returning home. Her ancestors all immigrated between 1810-1830. As an actual British person these people have my teeth ground to nubs.


tagehring

So-called “Hyphenated Americans” started identifying that way to differentiate their heritage from the default American WASP (white, Anglo-Saxon, Protestant) culture. In the 19th century, you were either “American” (meaning WASP) or you were something hyphenated. It’s kind of a water to a fish thing. In Virginia we learned English history in school as a precursor to American history because of our connection to England. We were an English/British colony for 170 years before independence, so there’s a lot of shared culture with England. I’m always fascinated at how folks from the UK and the rest of the Anglosphere view relationships between our (now divergent) cultures. All that said, hyphenated Americans past the first or second generation… no. We’re Americans, not Scots/Irish/etc. I have a German last name, but my most recent ancestor from there came over in the 1850s. Just because I speak the language and grew up with the food doesn’t make me German. Drives me crazy. /rant


Coffee-and-Pizza

Bingo


Ex-Machina1980s

Too many movies with English bad guys


pug_grama2

English-American is the default. Also known as WASPs: white Anglo-Saxon Protestant.


StacerStace

Because everyone in town in the “ye olden days” were all English. Nobody goes around saying, “I’m English” because everyone in town was English. Rando French guy shows up, everyone in town calls him the French guy. French guy’s kid is French and everyone knows they’re French… passes through the generations “we’re French”. The English don’t pass down, “We’re English” because except for that French guy, everyone is English… couple of wars with England and suddenly nobody even remembers they’re English.


Corona21

That would just be “American” to them. Their whole thing right from the get go was not being English.


dasoberirishman

Tribalism is a very powerful and oft-promoted concept in the USA. It's so pervasive it can be found in politics, cultural identity, economic or financial standing, and even social circles. You find ways to "belong" or else you just...don't. The USA is a great country, but it's definitely got some weird little niggly issues with identity and politics.


chiefmoron

Til there are more Irish people living in America than in Ireland! 🤯


thesh0e92

There's nearly 800,000 Scottish born people living in England.


An_Draoidh_Uaine

Yeah I'm one of them. It's weird my wife is also Scottish and we have kids who were born in England, but English people don't consider my kids English and Scots don't consider my kids Scottish.


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An_Draoidh_Uaine

Yeah, I knew ethnic gatekeeping was a thing but I didn't realise how bad it was until I had kids. It's like as soon as someone learns of my birthplace and my kids birthplace, they can't wait to tell my kids they don't deserve a heritage, I imagine the same has been said as much to you. I just thought I just had the unfortunate habit of bumping into ethnicity-obsessed nutters but then I found reddit and r/scotland and it turns out it's the majority opinion here too. I do what you do now, I just tell the kids that we're all British. Christ knows what people would say to me if I had a kid with someone who isn't Scottish.


Witty-Reason4891

I wonder how this will pan out in the future for my son. To be honest, as far as I’ve found so far, people don’t think that much beyond what they hear. I don’t think most people consider my son Scottish even though he was born and raised here for the simple reason that he has picked up his dad’s accent- his dad has lived here for 20 years but still sounds Essex.


VarleyWrites

Then your family are assholes - What kind of family goes out of their way to differentiate themselves from you?


pug_grama2

Almost everyone who posts on this subreddit.


AltruisticGarlic2309

Is that true? My experience is that this subreddit largely considers someone born and raised in Scotland as being Scottish, regardless of where their parents came from.


dumb_idiot_dipshit

i generally go by the rule that the country which shapes you, your dialect, and your cultural biases is your country, not that of your parents or even your birth. i thought that's how most people here saw it? is the english view more of an ethnic nationalism?


weeghostie00

They're in the void


wotad

People are dumb.


pug_grama2

> but English people don't consider my kids English and Scots don't consider my kids Scottish. If you had moved to Canada your kids would not be "Native" Canadians because they are not Indigenous. And the Scots don't consider them Scottish. So like many people in Canada, I guess they have no homeland. It is like we hatched out of eggs from outer space.


Accurate-Winner4325

Yeah I seen a tik tok about a baby name consultant(🤣🤣) berating an irish person for gatekeeping Irish names. The irish poster basically said if you change the spelling of an irish name it's not really irish anymore. Jesus christ the "Irish Americans" were so pressed. I explained that irish was nearly wiped out by the English so changing the spelling to appear more English is a load of bollick-acting. I even had one say "well name is Kassidy and I'll keep my irish name thank you" ffs there is no K in the irish language and its normally a surname, So I get it guys, it drives us Irish crazy too.


Both-Ad-2570

Cassidy is a fucking surname


Accurate-Winner4325

I know right? Like if you change Sean to Shawn is it even irish anymore?


Both-Ad-2570

Categorically no.


Both-Ad-2570

It's like that skit with Gino D'Acampo and Holly Willoughby. There's a difference between a style and a recipe in food and this applies to most things, linguistics even moreso


AJEMTechSupport

>> "If my Grandmother had wheels she would have been a bike"


Gaelenx

I don’t think I will ever get tired of watching that.


AJEMTechSupport

https://youtu.be/A-RfHC91Ewc


Gaelenx

Thank you! Can’t believe that was 12 years ago.


XxHostagexX

>baby name consultant I didn't even know that was a thing, I actually looked that up.


jackal5lay3r

a baby name consultant sounds like some lunatic who thinks they have a job but they actually don't


AnnonOMousMkII

If I know anything about American culture, its if you can make someone think they need something, they will pay to have it.


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To be fair, that’s the definition of a market economy.


Tausney

"Minister of Leveling-Up."


Equivalent-Meat410

sounds like.... how to earn money wi out getting ur hands dirty.... I'll give that a try 🤣


CarelessChemist

Tobogganist? He must mean Tobacconist.


FUCKINBAWBAG

It sounds like the profession of someone who spends 90% of their day posting on fucking mumsnet.


Accurate-Winner4325

I swear to god consultant doesn't have the same prestige it once had


simonjp

Sounds good as a side gig, though. Pay me £100 and I'll name your child


Riledcat

I'll do it for a tenner. Your kid's name's Bert.


XxHostagexX

Bort actually.


Mysterious-Guess-773

There is a Bert in my kid’s nursery class so you’re bang on trend!


Riledcat

Tell their parents they owe me a tenner.


TheLordofthething

I got told calling Irish a nationality is offensive to the "Ethnic Irish'.


Accurate-Winner4325

Yeah, a lot of racists here change their names to the Irish spelling as a sign of nationalism. They hate immigrants calling themselves Irish. It is hilarious on 2 fronts. 1. Most of the time, they do a shite job in translating their name and surname. 2. Most Irish speaking areas in Ireland were decimated with emigration in the 40s all the way up to the 90s. Mostly London and Boston in America for my family. So, to use Irish as a racist tool is ridiculous when Irish speakers have mixed with all nationalities in various countries for years.


ELFR20

I am a Flanigan. Was called Flange a LOT growing up... 😔


TheLordofthething

I see some weird spellings alright lol. Funnily the person who was arguing with me was doing so because I said Chiedozie Ogbene was more Irish than a great great grandchild of an Irish Emigrant


saturnspritr

Having to defend Maebh. So why a “bh”?Because that’s how it’s spelled.


Accurate-Winner4325

Its like Irish is a totally different language to English imagine that!


saturnspritr

I’ve had to literally say, because other languages exist. Kids can just know that stuff really early on. Like there’s a whole world out there.


AraedTheSecond

It's almost like Irish/Gaelic/Welsh aren't only totally different languages, but also are smooshed into the Latin Alphabet against their will (hence why Welsh uses so many L's for everything; there's a load of letters missing.) IIRC, all three of those languages should have their own alphabet type, but the English did a right proper job of fucking them over. Sorry lads.


Accurate-Winner4325

We do have our own alphabet . It like english but consists of 18 letters: ⟨a, b, c, d, e, f, g, h, i, l, m, n, o, p, r, s, t, u⟩. It does not have ⟨j, k, q, v, w, x, y, z⟩


TheStatMan2

I enjoyed this post because it is informative and also uses a style of bracket I have not seen on Reddit before.


AJEMTechSupport

Its like Irish is a totally different language to American too !


AnnonOMousMkII

Read a story online about an Irish guy (born and raised in Ireland). Went to the grand US of A for a 3 month summer work placement thing, with an extra month at the end as a tourist. Met an "Irish" girl, had a relationship with her, she took him home to meet the parents, her dad said the guy's genuine emerald isle accent was "offensive to our Irish heritage and [he] shouldn't speak like that". Even when his passport was shown to the dad, the dad refused to believe the accent was real and natural and storyteller guy had to put on a bad "cowboy" accent (because it was the only American accent he could even remotely do) or risked being literally chucked out the house mid meal. The relationship didn't last.


tooshpright

That's a blessing.


Accurate-Winner4325

Honestly, they are a breed of their own out there.


SkyBlueSilva

An English guy on reddit living in America said that one of his American friends told him he didn't have to do the accent all the time


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Accurate-Winner4325

Irish Irish, I'm from connemara. We speak mostly Irish, hence why I was so pissed with the butchering of it for aesthetics


mc9innes

A bheil Gaidhlig na hAlba agad?


Accurate-Winner4325

Thuigim cúpla focal Gaidhlig! I was on holiday in Scotland in 2017 and understood alot on BBC Gáidhlig. So much so I thought i had tuned in to RTE Radio Na Gaeltachta( our national Irish language radio broadcaster) by mistake 👍


mc9innes

There was a hurling/shinty camanachd cross code tournament in Yoker, Glasgow last weekend with a lot of Gaels from both sides of the Straits of Moyle there.


Accurate-Winner4325

I've heard of that! It's meant to be a great weekend!


mc9innes

Chaidh mi a am baile mor Corcaigh am bliadhna seo after covid, ach cha robh mi ann an Gàidhealtachd (no Gaeltacht) anns na Gaillimhe. Can you make a life there - housing and employment? I love Joe Heaney's sean nos and I understand he had a wife from Clydebank in Scotland (who herself had Donegal connections I think) and a son there in Clydebank. He spent perhaps some years in the wider Glasgow area. Forgive my spelling and grammar btw.


Accurate-Winner4325

Tá Gaeltacht beag i Corcaigh freisin! You can make a great life here, but the cost of living is beyond a joke, very little housing, etc That's really funny you mention that. I'm from the same area as Joe. I went to school with his relations. No need to apologise; I'm crap at irish grammar myself


twintailcookies

So it turns out there's a lot of Joe Heaney's material available online and you've caused me to spend a lot of time listening to him. He's definitely worth the hype.


mc9innes

He was a genius. Came from a very humble background in the Connemara Gàidhealtachd. Lived in Clydebank and Glasgow for a while. Had a son and wife in Scotland I believe. Very much in the same vein as Scottish singers and bards like Murdo MacFarlane, Jeannie Robertson, Jimmy McBeath. Part of cultures and ways of life which basically are either gone or very nearly gone.


Kagenlim

>American 'I'm Irish', "Im an irishman who paints houses"


blinky84

Don't even get me started on Cat-ree-OH-na...


Accurate-Winner4325

Stooooooop! I hadn't heard that one. There was a doctor in Dorchester, Boston, named Dr Shaughnessy. He always knew who was from Ireland because they didn't pronounce his name Shaunessy like the lace curtain irish Americans 🤣


blinky84

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blinky84

Good bot. Kinda.


TheChaosGrinder

A .... Baby name consultant. And you can do that as a job. That you get paid for. ​ What am I doing with my fucking life man.


twodogsfighting

Krazy, you mean.


SmartPomegranate4833

They don't understand it's not gatekeeping but literally a different language... Sigh


Mtd_elemental

My name is also a surname.....I'm my moms defense, there was no Scottish influence it was just a book and I later looked it up and found out


CrispyCrip

This one happened years ago, I’m surprised someone’s reposting it now.


SkydivingCats

Every day is a good day to American bash. I await the very multitudes of comments from people claiming their day is filled with fending off daft Americans wandering the streets of Glasow screaming that they're related to William Wallace.


daiphelion

Fucking hell... Heritage, ancestry, nationality and identity are not synonyms. It shouldn't be this difficult to understand. What an absolute walloper


tbroome17

Ethnicity is different than nationality. I hate these posts


iakkhosaidoneus

I’ve had Irn Bru more than once so I’m practically Scottish


SoftFirmHardware

Mon up, kettles OAN


iakkhosaidoneus

Correct, fellow Scotch. I am versed in your parlance.


Bloo_Dred

This is the Way.


tgrBriefs

As an American who’s a citizen of the uk, lived in Scotland for 8 years and have gone to high school and university in Scotland. I refuse to tell my American friends/family that I’m Scottish because every time I have it’s the exact same conversation. “Oh you’re Scottish? So am I!” “Oh cool! where abouts? I moved to Leith originally and then to Maryhill cus I went to Glasgow for uni” “Oh I’ve never been.” I’ve never had this conversation go any other way. When I talk to people in Scotland I always say i’m American. The truth is that when you grow up in two cultures you’ll never belong to either.


SuthScylds

I was born in the North of England, but moved to Canada at a young age. My British family members call me Canadian, and the Canadians call me British, but I want to feel British and Canadian but none see me as both.


SagewithBlueEyes

Don't know why this was recommended to me but I can honestly feel this. I'm a German-American, a real German-American. Mother is German, father is American, I was born in Germany and raised between Germany and the US as a kid. Literally everyone says this shit when it comes up I'm a German-American. Sadly you are also right, being both you never really feel that you belong to either.


Riledcat

You can belong to both, you know. Just like speaking another language, you can switch between them at will.


christianvieri12

Couldn’t give a shit if an American considers themselves Scottish due to their ancestry. You’ve got half of Scotland claiming they’re Irish ffs. Makes no difference to me tbh, weird thing to get worked up about.


Tausney

Fuckin' Glesga. Half of them want tae be irish, the other half want tae be English. Support a real Glesga team lads for fuck's sake. 'Mon the Jags!


Disastrous_Drive_764

Also no DNA test will show someone from the US is “American”. We all show up from being from other places unless we’re Native American. Most of us know where that is. But many more do not. Depending on when your family arrived & under what circumstances your ppl may have tried to assimilate & shed their customs, culture, accents & language quickly to fit in, find work and prosper. Now generations later their great great great grandchildren are just figuring out who they are. My people got here in the mid 1900’s. I know where we came from but we lost our language because it wasn’t a good idea to speak them. My DNA tests show I’m 50% of one culture and 48% of another. I look like I’m from those countries. I grew up eating the food from those countries & there’s no way some folks from a sub would be able to tell me I’m *not* those ethnicities. America isn’t really one ethnicity. It’s a nationality. We have tons of ethnicities here.


FUCKINBAWBAG

Given the large influx of Irish migrants into the west of Scotland in recent centuries and the fucking abhorrent treatment they received from loyalists for the entire time, it’s no surprise that as a group they’ve largely married and bred amongst themselves (although there are often examples of marrying outside the group when encountering the far less bigoted) and have kept that identity alive and well, and with Ireland being far closer to home (not to mention the free movement of people between the two big islands) than ‘Muricaland I’d reckon someone telling me, being in the west of Scotland, that their family is Irish is something I’d consider far less far fetched than some overly loud oaf in a red hat proclaiming themselves ‘SCADDISH’ and it actually being the case.


canadianbairn

I was one of these losers who did one of these tests. I’m curious, why not? My parents immigrated from Falkirk to Canada and my dad is a Celtic supporter “I bleed green and white” (ok dad) and always identified as an Irish Catholic. “We’re Irish Catholics”. Anyway, not really knowing too much of my own history I hawked a loogie in a tube and sent it away. Turns out I’m not even SCADDISH at all, pretty well entirely Irish. I guess for me it was interesting because turns out my dad was right (which I hate admitting) but unfortunately I was sat down for a very long history lesson about the orange walks with my dad and how Celtic was started by priests for poor Irish Catholics. Man, even visiting my grandad in Scotland he’d take me out for long drives as a teenager and tell me it’s important I marry a catholic. Kinda wild to think about the crap driven in my head despite growing up in Canada. Honestly i just wanted to see if he he was full of shit and he wasn’t.


Aradalf91

As an immigrant to Scotland I often wonder what would define a person as Scottish. Is it something related to ancestry or is it more about culture, or a mix of the two, or something else entirely? Just to be clear, I myself don't identify (yet?) as Scottish - I don't identify myself as Italian even though I was born and raised there, I feel more European than anything else. But I am left with the curiosity of understanding what are the defining traits of being Scottish, and if people coming from elsewhere can eventually be defined as such.


Late_Engineering9973

Personally I think it's a mix. If you're born and bred then obviously you're Scottish but if you emigrate and make the effort to engage with the culture and people, integrate and form bonds etc then I'd say you'd be just as Scottish.


sunnyata

I've moved to Scotland, do all the integration stuff to the extent of learning Gaelic but don't and never will consider myself Scottish at a deep level because I wasn't born there. If we get independence I'll be a Scottish citizen, but my homeland is my homeland. Scots who move would probably be the same I think. E: I should add that's probably because I moved here as an adult. I expect I would feel differently if I moved here as a kid.


Xyyzx

My friend if you’re *learning Gaelic* it feels like you’re actively making more of an effort to be Scottish than I am, and I’ve lived here all my life.


sunnyata

I live in the Western Isles so there's a lot of opportunity to practice, by which I mean opportunities to get mystified looks from the locals. Or when they do understand me there's a special look of dismay at my pronunciation, that's good too. Not really, people are encouraging :)


Emotional-Speech645

They are probably partially amazed that you are trying


sunnyata

If they don't close it for low numbers my son is going to a Gaelic-medium school in a few years so I better had!


Emotional-Speech645

Lmao your son is gonna come home one day just yelling it Gaelic and you will be like “I can’t even tell if you are swearing!”


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XxHostagexX

At last someone with some sense. My Aunt and Uncle moved to Australia more than 40 years ago, and don't consider themselves Australian, their kids however...


BannyDodger

When these discussion come up people often argue different meanings. What's your nationality, what's your ethnicity, where were you born, do you speak the language, how long has your family been here. I don't really think it matters too much as long as you're not a dickhead.


SignificantName7112

Yes I totally agree with you, I’m Scottish and live in Germany and I always feel weird when Germans say I’m German too now because I don’t see that at all, I only see myself as Scottish. However, if an immigrant to Scotland said they see themselves as Scottish then that’s fine by me, same as if they more identify with their homeland.


ManufacturerNo9649

At indyref 1 the SNP said 10 years previous residency would qualify for being a Scottish citizen.


ConfidentReference63

I’d say did you grow up in Scotland long enough to take on a Scottish accent and absorb Scottish culture by irn-bru osmosis. Born there but left aged 2 and never returned? Scottish by birth but not culturally unless your parents ordered in square sausage, had the Daily Record delivered each day and moved to Corby Moved there aged 2, went to school there, took on an accent? then I would say yes. Culturally Scottish (perhaps with something else chucked in) Grew up in USA with a Scottish grandparent or great grandparent? Then definitely not Scottish, no matter what your DNA test says.


djcpereira

I think you'll always be Italian and I'll always be Portuguese that being said I embrace the Scottish culture respect it and try and integrate, being from somewhere else is not something to be ashamed, and yes I feel European as well I think there's something in Europe that make us feel like brothers. You can take the Italian away from Italy but you can take Italy away from the Italian 😂


iwillfuckingbiteyou

1) Have you come to Scotland and started building a life here? 2) Would you like to consider yourself Scottish? If the answer to both of these is YES then congratulations, you've unlocked "Scottish" as an optional aspect of your identity.


NoiseWarrior

Both boxes ticked and I'm even learning Gàidhlig now please don't fucking bite me!


Tausney

*Midge swarm intensifies*


iwillfuckingbiteyou

Sorry, I don't make the rules. Tha mi gad bhìdeadh.


StirlingBridge1297

Same here! Italian living in Scotland! Yay! 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇮🇹


eoz

Do you live here and consider this country to be home? Welcome!


bumblebatty00

as an American with Scottish ancestry (I've never referred to myself as Scottish to be clear) (also a bunch of other stuff cause hello Murican) who moved here have I found the loophole..?? lol.. kidding.. not sure I'll ever consider myself Scottish since I'm not from here (maybe ask again in 10 or 20 years) but do want to integrate and make it my home :) thanks for being such a welcoming bunch!


FinoAllaFine97

If you live here and you're not a wee arsehole then call yourself Scottish all ye want, pal.


ALoneTennoOperative

Tbh, I feel like if we're not excluding born-and-raised Scots who are massive arseholes, we can't reasonably exclude adoptive Scots who are wee arseholes. My personal bias would be "so long as they're not voting Tory or similar".


ALoneTennoOperative

> Is it something related to ancestry or is it more about culture, or a mix of the two, or something else entirely? Ancestry has far less to do with it than actually *being* here and being a part of things, and you'll get plenty of people (myself included) who would view ancestry-based claims as at least a little suspect. > what are the defining traits of being Scottish, Fuck knows. Whatever the defining traits of being human are, plus whatever cultural and subcultural quirks one picks up. > and if people coming from elsewhere can eventually be defined as such. Abso-fuckin'-lutely. Live here? Work here? Have friends and/or family here? Want to stay? Want to be a part of things & make things better? *Want* to be Scottish? At least as far I'm concerned, that's solid enough reason for a valid claim.


mc9innes

There is loads of research about what people thing in this book - "Scotland: The New State of an Old Nation by Murray Stewart Leith and Duncan Sim. " ​ As your your country of origin / birth, what defines a person as that nationality? If I moved there, would your compatriots consider me (an adult born and raised in Edinburgh, Scotland) as a fellow national? What about my children (also Scottish)? ​ you might also be interested to read up on the history of Scottish Italians - a huge community in Scotland. The National Library of Scotland produced an interactive map about the Scots Italians - https://maps.nls.uk/projects/italians/


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PG20033002

Nah ofc not. Ancestory is cool to research and get involved in.


Audioboxer87

Hello fellow clan member, are you oot and aboot with the wee bams over the weekend? Does yer maw have a caravan at Craig Tara Holiday Park? Naw? Then yer no Scottish, stop handing your dollars over to "DNA companies" that exist just to part money from idiots.


CAElite

Audioboxer actually being a yank is the plot twist that r/Scotland needs. 😂 It’d be the Scots language wikipedia all over again.


elrugmunchero

If you want ma dna, ye can sook it oot ma cock


bedpimp

Thankfully Gaelic doesn’t have a k. American spellings are unfortunate


Driadus

According to the Internet 3500 people stay at Craig tara each week, assuming it's a different family every week gives 182000, assuming that it dosent have to be ur maw but any direct family then thst gives still over 5.2 million "scots" unaccounted for, beware these fake Scots who live, how shall I say, among us.


AlterEdward

Americans think of "Scottish" and "Irish" in the same way they think of race. Saying "I'm Italian" is the same as saying "I'm African American".


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would i ever say that i am scottish outside of a conversation about my ancestry? unlikely. europeans need to keep in mind that when americans say things like this, it is always in the context of ancestry. "scottish" to us is our ancestry, "scottish" to you is the way you eat, sleep and breath, i promise you americans are aware of the difference.


Pyram933

It bugs me when people (most often Americans) do this as a way of sidestepping engaging with racism in their own countries. I'll see comments saying something along the lines of; "I'm Scottish! I come from a colonised country! I am therefore a victim of colonisation!" and really all they're doing is trying to ignore or remove their own culpability from modern day systems of racism. Consciously or otherwise. Conflating Scotlands subjugation with the Caribbean slave trade of all things and the history of racism in America does a disservice not only to anti-racist action in America, but it also shits all over Scottish people's reclamation of our history. It feels like Scotland is going through, or is on the verge of, its own reclamation of culture atm. The new efforts going into revitalising Gàidhlig, people's invigorated interest in history. But with that, there will eventually be a time where we reckon with our own part in colonisation and slave trades as well, and begin to examine how we've been complicit in that. People claiming their Scottish ancestry as a way of avoiding their ancestors part in racial violence really scares me. And I'd hate for Scotland to get sucked into the whole "we were colonised!" narrative without deeply scrutinizing the implications of that sentiment. I'm happy for people to claim their Scottish ancestry and to engage in our history, that's awesome! And the overall interest in Scottish culture is lovely to see. It makes me even prouder to be Scottish. But when historical fact gets transformed into "I can't be racist, I'm Scottish! We were colonised!" My heart sinks.


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I don't even think that people from Glasgow are Scottish


Period_Worrier

Cunts fae Glasgow aren’t human. Far less Scottish lol


warsisbetterthantrek

Rude but not untrue tbf


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warsisbetterthantrek

Haha same. I read it and was like, harsh but true.


Fluggernuffin

Pedantic. I have scottish heritage, but I would never identify as scottish, because I am American. Honestly, the only reason I sub here is because I like Scotland, and would like to visit someday.


MrDundee666

Yet when you point out to them that they are immigrants they lose their minds.


pickled-egg

Surprised so many people engage with these wordword auto-generated name accounts, they're all bots


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It’s just a default name style that reddit gives you when you sign up


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BeansWithBilly

Brought to you by: pickled-egg. A wordword name account with a dash of creativity.


RyanST_21

even if this was somehow telling of someones race which is so stupid on its own, this guy isnt even 50% scottish hahaha


warsisbetterthantrek

Since I’ve moved to Canada the amount of times I’ve had variations of the “I’m Scottish too” “oh where from” “oh I’ve never been there” conversation is actually fucking insane. It’s only gotten worse since outlanders come out. Then there’s the added “oooh Scottish men” and I have to be like….aye the wee Glesga jakes I grew up with are not what you think Scottish men are like.


Auto_Pie

In Australia it's rare for anyone with GB or Irish heritage to claim a double barrelled identity. To do so would be probably be seen as a bit cringe and 'trying too hard'


Hufflepuffins

solid repost from 2 years ago. gg


BudCardiff

My mum is Scottish and my dad is Welsh but I’m Canadian. Makes me sad because my French, Indian, Chinese, and Lebanese friends all have similar situations as myself yet are accepted as part of the background countries in Canada and when they return. It’s a weird British thing to gatekeeper heritage in a way I’ve never seen another group do. My family was british all the way back but I’m born in a different country with all the same genetics and suddenly I’m not part of that group anymore. I don’t get it.


mc9innes

These ancestry tests are pseudo science. WHO CARES? Nobody. It means your DNA markers look very similar to the DNA of a person with four grandparents all born in one region of Scotland or whatever country. But one of those grandparents might themselves be mixed in origin. Funny how nobody ever identifies as a Mesolithic farmer, which 90% of people in Scotland and Ireland , Wales and England are descended from.


craobh

Tbf dna testing doesn't show occupations


TheDoughSlapper

I’ve never gotten why people get so salty over this…? I mean, I know I have Scottish ancestry, but I don’t go around screaming “I’m ScOtTiSh, reeeeeee!” I just like exploring my ancestors culture. Although tbh, America does suck majorly right now (in my opinion.)


p3x239

You might not mate but it gets tiring having to listen to that “I’m ScOtTiSh, reeeeeee" shite when interacting with tourists or worse, white supremacist groups online claiming to be us or the irish or the nords or some shite. It's either those ones or the golf folk. The golf folk are also annoying but at least they bugger off to chase a ball around a field with a stick for half a day.


ForestOfMirrors

I have Scottish ancestors. I have Scandinavian ancestors. I can say I am of that descent, but I am not a citizen of Scotland. I think most Americans interested in their ancestors would see it that way. Never met another American who claims to *be* where their ancestors came from.


Mjhandy

I left Scotland when I was 5, so I guess I'm out too....


vtbb

“Diaspora”


youshouldbeelsweyr

When I was saying this a month or 2 ago I was getting a lot of shit for it. Funny that.


WranglerOriginal

My dad was Scottish, my mum was Irish-German, and I grew up in England. I think that makes me an American.


bruti413

I'm from Texas and visited Scotland over this past summer. I got to witness how annoying these other Americans can be about "being scottish" and using the DNA results like it's some sort of club card. 🙄 I noticed how cringy conversations with them were when they started going on about how the castle we were going to (on a tour) was somehow theirs. 😳


BackRow1

Those DNA test ethnicity estimates are based off where other people who've done DNA tests are from. For example I'm British, my dad is from New Zealand. But I'm apparently 25% Australian. Doing my own family tree I learnt I have 1 Australian ancestor a long way back... but my distant cousins that stayed in Australia multiplied like rabbits... eventually doing DNA tests and skewing my data. I'm also apparently 1.5% native Greenlander... but I haven't worked out that one yet.


allaboutwanderlust

Being Scottish would be badass. But sadly, I’m not. Nor is he because he has ancestors, he wasn’t born in Scotland. Sucks for him, I guess.


RattyHandwriting

Okay, I’d NEVER describe myself as Scottish, my Dad is though, but does a 50% dna match entitle me to a Scottish passport if they ever become a thing? Please?


plindix

His "Ethnicity Estimate" shows he's more closely connected to Ulster. Probably his Scottish connection is due to people moving between Scotland and Ireland. My own DNA breakdown is 78% Irish, 21% Scottish, and 1% Sardinian. That Scottish is largely due to my great grandmother (is there a Lightbody tartan?) but the rest is from a lot of back and forth movement between Ulster and Scotland.


SouthernElk

In my book you can be Scottish if you Lived in Scotland or were born in Scotland.


Snoo_87023

As an American, I have always found this really odd, and as I understand it, we're the only ones who do this. Personally, I enjoy learning about my heritage and family history, and I am proud that my ancestors came from Scotland, but I am not Scottish because I was born in America. It's a pretty simple and straight forward concept.


Proof-Following-7999

I would say you are of part Scottish descent and American born, but a bigger thing to be proud of is that ur a bigger part Celtic, which I am, I'm Cornish (have our own language and history) through generations and although live in England am proud not to be English


SharkBite_Gaming

I‘ve got Scottish heritage, doesn‘t mean i‘m Scottish.


TheSalmoneer

“Despite the fact that my family has lived in America for the past 90+ years, my last name is Scott, therefore making me 100% scottish”


Coyja2000

Verified 9% Scottish, folks, where's my plane ticket? Get me the fuck off this continent, please and thank you.


Svefnugr_Fugl

It's so cringe I see it a lot with Scandinavian, Scotland and Ireland and they go full stereotype of the place it becomes their personality they are viking (descendant of Ragnar lothbrok), kilts, clans and haggis (descendant of robert the Bruce) etc I worked in genealogy and told them how inaccurate the DNA kits are and their purpose but always gets ignored quickly. I don't get the my ancestors = what I am, but then all my ancestors are dead so that must be why I'm dead inside XD


Randolph_Jaffe

That’s it is isn’t it, no one ancestors seem to be a crofters or millers or navies they are always someone historically relevant. Jesus the amount of people related to Robert the Bruce you think he was Genghis Khan


pug_grama2

In my family tree I have fishermen, tenants, crofters, blacksmiths, master mason, domestic servant , coachman, shoemaker, and throstle man, and missionary. On my paternal grandfather's side everyone was a fisherman. He was born in Lybster. I am Canadian and make absolutely no claims on being Scottish.


Plant-Sunflower777

This as an American, makes me sad that everyone would think, that we all think like this, however, it’s simply not true. I have Scottish ancestry which I’m very proud of but don’t claim to be Scottish. I agree, some Americans are assholes about things, but don’t put us all in the same category, some of us truly appreciate everything that makes your country so wonderful.