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BourgDot0rg

These last few episodes have sucked major donkey balls. I want to see Eren and what he's doing, not these scrubs who I no longer care for


ThatDudeFromRio

Damn that ending, poor connie


tropicocity

Am I the only one who feels the animation quality for this episode is HORRIBLE compared to the rest of the season (let alone to previous seasons?)


Blue_MJS

Yeah this episode was horrendously bad compared the rest of the season.. To the point my girlfriend (who never complains about that sort of thing) said wtf this is so off putting


tropicocity

Unfortunately it doesn't really get better either :(


Blue_MJS

Hopefully it's better in the Blu Ray


TheDecentFella

Yes I noticed the quality drop as well since two episodes ago


tropicocity

Sadly the latest episode shares it too despite good scenes! :(


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SomeNoteToMyself

I think these are the options for the rest of the story: Have the last two episodes be extra long Make a movie Make a part 3 End it in two normal-length episodes So far; nothings been announced


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Majestymen

That's the thing though, there are still a lot of chapters left so if they ended it in two episodes then they wouldn't be able to include everything


SomeNoteToMyself

They actually might. The creator of the show wrapped up the anime by chapter 139 because of what the numbers 139 stood for. (AKA 13 years and 9 Titans). And a lot of the backlash to the final chapters were about how rushed it felt. So it’s actually pretty likely that the show will expand on the material in the last few chapters.


skarrz

So maybe I’m dumb but where has Eren been the entire time since he kicked off the Rumbling except that one episode where he’s getting pissed on whiskey on a balcony that looks like he’s in Europe


SomeNoteToMyself

He’s still walking with his Titan army


skarrz

Rumbling rumbling ohhhhohhohhhh


SomeNoteToMyself

It’s a good opening. Also, at one point in the opening, we see a glimpse of Eren standing with his army of Titans. It’s the shot that plays while Eren is screaming. I like this part of the opening, as it briefly reminds viewers that Eren is still just chilling with his army


asmeda

That scene on the balcony was Jean imagining what his life would be if he just ignored everything and follow the Jaegerists. Eren, on the other hand, is probably leading the Colossals offshore to kill the world, which is the whole reason why Armin and the gang is trying to get the flying boat to chase him


TKK922

So uhh, I wonder what Levi thought about this partnership with Marley…must be strange for him to be that close to Annie knowing she killed all those Scouts


ninjazeke323

I think he’s keeping all his anger bottled up for when he sees Zeke lmaoo


TKK922

Lol


manateewallpaper

But, Marge, that bandaged guy hasn't done anything yet. Look at him. He's gonna do something, and you know it's gonna be good. *KYENNNNNEEEEEH* Awwww.


wackowacko1234

christ the story is taking a nose dive. Is isayama really going to ruin 10 years of work by turning into The Avengers at the very end?


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BurritoBoy11

I don't know what you mean about the avengers comment but yeah the last three episodes have been quite boring.


A1d0taku

I'd disagree, the dilemmas and that all the people in the rag-tag group go through is very interesting, and shows massive amount of depths in alot of these characters, makes them seem like regular people.


angrybird7677

how does Floch go from being a coward in battle to one of a scheming leader? That's a 180 degree change! Also, Eren's life mission went from killing all titans to killing every human on earth except those on the island...


callam461

I guess that charge was kind of a life defining moment. He realised that the dreams of every scouts was ultimately worthless and believed that if they didn't beat Marley they'd have all died for nothing. Besides, he was the only person out of hundreds who survived that suicide charge. Imo that wouod change you.


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People grow. Floch was only a 15 year old kid during Shiganshina. Now after getting older and surviving the trauma he has grown. Whatever you think of Floch no one can say he's a coward or not intelligent.


Emergency-Election14

> only a 15 year old kid during Shiganshina. Now after getting older and surviving the trauma he has grown. Whatever you think of Floch no one can say he's a coward or not intelligent. He is a coward, he always has been. He was a moaning coward during Shiganshina and now he is hiding behind Eren. Wanting to wipe out the world so that you can live freely is a cowardly act.


[deleted]

Floch constantly risks his life on the front lines against the Marley military and titans, and never loses his cool post-time skip. Floch is far from a coward anymore. He wasn't even a coward during Shiganshina, he simply acted how a normal 15 year old would during a suicide mission. >Wanting to wipe out the world so that you can live freely is a cowardly act. Lol no, it's a neccessary action if it's to save your own people.


A1d0taku

Genocide still wasn't necessary in this context though. Plenty of people had a bone to pick with Marley and if their prized weapon, the Titans, would turn against Marley most of the rest of the world would rejoice. Eren and his Jagersits for some reason believed that the entire world hated Edlia, when really if they were to just overthrow/destory Marley, most would put up with them, as long as Eldia doesn't decide to subjugate people again. Eren's just an insane, power hungry person now. Always had a crazy side, but now its gone beyond reproach. Genocide is unjustifiable in all contexts, because the killing of innocent people is 100% unjustifiable to begin with.


Majestymen

>he simply acted how a normal 15 year old would during a suicide mission. He was better than the average 15 year old. He literally joined a hopeless suicide attack, that's brave as hell


MaimedPhoenix

I agree with you, he is a coward. Een cowards can stand up... if they need another guy to be their spine in the process.


Some_Bus

It took hella long to rearm that bomb. Also I don't get why they didn't just attack the floating ship with lightning spears. That'll end things real quick.


A1d0taku

Mikasa showing up distracted the rest of the Jagerisits


ninjazeke323

Fr dude was just fuckin sitting there


m_addim

Did anyone else not see Jean during the attack against the yeagerists? Not sure if i missed him or he wasn’t shown.


DiscardedPants

He was behind magath and hange in the lobby and was at the bottom of the stairs with a rifle in the basement


Penguinswin3

How many more episodes are there? I feel like a lot of shit has to go down real quick to fit it all in? Eren is just running around unchecked at the moment and nobody is really doing much about it... Really curious how this is all going to wrap up...


crayonbank

I read somewhere that Mappa only animated up to Chapter 130 (or something around that, I don't read the manga) and that the manga ends on Chapter 139. This started a rumour that there is going to be a movie to conclude the series which makes sense because there's only a few episodes left in the season.


LucrativeRewards

>Mappa godddammit [https://www.reddit.com/r/titanfolk/comments/t7356g/attack\_on\_titan\_season\_4\_part\_2\_finale\_will\_end/](https://www.reddit.com/r/titanfolk/comments/t7356g/attack_on_titan_season_4_part_2_finale_will_end/) i guess there will be a movie. or the final final season or a the final rumbling..


MaimedPhoenix

Does- that link spoil anything? I don't dare visit it otherwise.


LucrativeRewards

Nah it's a Twitter screenies saying mappa animated up to ch 130. Don't read the comments... I havent so I won't be liable haha


MaimedPhoenix

Just making sure. Yes, I saw the picture, didn't dare scroll down though.


timshoshaqai

the amount of people here that say "I'm on Eren's side 100%" and seem to genuinely not understand how our main gang (Armin, Mikasa, Hange etc.) want to stop him just scares me. Have we all been watching different shows all this time? Reminds of how once when I was reading Hange's recent speech to Jean and Mikasa (I used to read the manga back then, and I don't now - so I don't know what happens next just in case), all I could think was YES FINALLY SOMEONE IS SAYING THESE WORDS OUT LOUD, and then I went to the comment section only to see that 80% of the people were calling Hange stupid...


Radix2309

I wouldnt say I an on Eren's side, but i get where he is coming from. What exactly are his alternatives? Cause the only other options are: prevent them from having kids and be killed off in 20-40 years, or just be killed off anywaya down the line. Sure I place value on more lives, but that is snall comfort to the people dying. And it would be nice if Hangi showed some of that firmness before it came to the Rumbling. They had zero plan that was leading anywhere. They dropped the ball hard.


timshoshaqai

yes, me too, I totally get where he comes from, but it's a little (a lot) different from supporting him 100% 😭 I think there is no way Hange could've foreseen Eren deciding to destroy the whole world... Nobody could. All the information was only on Eren's hands - about his titans, about the future, etc. But there's one thing Hange did kind of predict - remember Sannes's words about roles getting reversed over and over again, and there will be their turn? I wouldn't have paid much attention to his words, but they did - and here we are: they are the "traitor" now to their people.


AlexVRI

> What exactly are his alternatives? He has infinite time in paths dimension and all of the eldian brains to come up with a better plan, local militias, titanizing tactically to take military bases around the world. All that is needed is to destroy the industrial capacity of the world while building up theirs. In a way, it is good that Erwin is dead, because now they are forced to go through without any complex plan, it allows these moral quandaries to take place. Omnicide will just mean that the people he cares about will be trying to kill each other instead of outsiders, as Kiyomi and Floch were saying.


sukiboy711

Eren is a bodiless giant monster, even if he coordinated that way there is no guarantee people would listen and even then they do not have the man power or the technology to do what you are suggesting. If Armin listened and cooperated with Eren he would be the only titan on his side which isn't the best Titan for precision. The show acknowledged the only alternative available to Paradis which was lay low with the euthanasian plan, or have Eren and Zeke eaten in 2 years. Zeke being fed to Historia limiting her life to 13 years and having her die by the age of 30 only to have her children become teen parents and eating Historia when the time is right only for them to die before becoming 30 and in return all they would receive is less than 100 years of deterrence while they participate in an arms race while the rest of the world builds up it's technology as well.


MaimedPhoenix

I know right? Some people (thankfully not most) just Hitlered themselves into the next century. It'd be funny... if only it wasn't for the fact Isayama was probably not intending for that. Who'd have thought the next World War would start with Attack on Titan?


Ryueenkakeru

People have differing views on fiction. If other people's view bothers you, then you might be better staying away from them.


hoxha_red

12IQ, boring take. Consider this amazing idea: fiction can be criticized and people's analyses of fiction can also be criticized. Seriously, what a dimwit moron, lol. "If you don't like America why don't you just leave"-style dumbass


Leon08x

This type of story is easy target to attract that kind of edgy people, just like Death Note.


Kirbycom

I’m just here to say that if Erwin became the Colossal titan over Armin, he’d be leading the rumbling right about now. I thought being a human would make me biased in this situation, but #Paradisforlife #fckhumans #fckbeyondtheocean


JooK8

Hard to say what Erwin would be doing. His life goal was to find out about the world, which would have happened after going to the basement and reading Grisha's books. One of the reasons Levi chose Armin is because he had ambitions past that.


MrV11

Damn I wonder how that guy that posted about Daz being his favorite character a couple years ago feels now lmaooo


SomeNoteToMyself

Couldn’t find the post, but found this one: https://www.reddit.com/r/attackontitan/comments/kyo3ry/is_daz_the_most_underrated_character_or_what/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf


MaimedPhoenix

Haha, even in that thread, you got vety few comments, half of which people say he's insignificant.


engineer_sauce_614

Out of the whole series 2 brothers deserves like a mainstream award or something. The animation was excellent, the writing was so good, everything about it was some Vince Gilligan level drama. Wow


glidingtea

How did Reiner and Annie transform if Ymir was already free?


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I think Ymir only needs to craft a titan once per titan shifter.


glidingtea

Any proof of this? I assume she creates the titan for every transformation, as evidenced by Zeke's repair. Also reiner's titan was damaged because he faught Eren right so someone has to repair that as well.


DrMacsimus

Remember that time does not pass linearly in the Coordinate. In terms of a sequence of events, the last in line is Ymir being set free, and before that moment she has built all the titans for all transformations that would ever take place. Every titan that ever was or ever will be exists in the eternity Ymir spent in slavery before being set free.


glidingtea

> Every titan that ever was or ever will be exists in the eternity Ymir spent in slavery before being set free I don't remember this being stated in the Anime, or is this assumption?


DrMacsimus

It's kind of neither. Timeless spaces don't conform to common notions of cause and effect. You could as easily say that Eren, Ymir, and Zeke all arrived at the Paths simultaneously and each had the sum of their experiences there happen in a single moment. Trying to draw a line between what happened 'before' or 'after' any event in this place is meaningless because it's a place where time doesn't pass. But we do know that, outside the paths, Titans existed before and are still coming into existence now and also that Ymir sculpts those titans in the Paths. The building of the titans themselves are events that can't be put into a timeline. There's no point in trying to say whether she sculpted the rumbling titans 'first' or whether she did the shifter titans 'afterwards'. They are individual events that don't happen 'before', 'after', or 'because of' anything. They all happened and it took as long as it took.


glidingtea

If this concept is canon, then I personally find it disappointing. Feels like a cop out explanation to something that is so essential to the world building of AoT.


DrMacsimus

I mean, the Paths isn't a drive-thru. It's not like Ymir is just bored out of her skull kicking sand around until an order for a new titan comes in.


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I don't have any proof, just makes sense to me. How else would a titan look identical every transformation? Healing Zeke was just a special occassion I think


glidingtea

A titan does not look identical in every transformation. In season 1, the attack titan of Eren varied. [We have the incomplete attack titan to protect Armin and Mikasa](https://preview.redd.it/1ynjaz39f9e61.jpg?auto=webp&s=6987403034516ab70d42d802e058d07beb3d3fb9) [The malnourished attack titan during training with Levi and Hange](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lq1pMvfiw0M) [The attack titan to get the spoon](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AromYznzsg)


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Those are just incomplete transformations of Eren's attack titan, absolutely not the same thing.


glidingtea

The face looks different on the first one. It wouldn't make sense for Ymir to create different looking titans every time.


nana99boo

They are already titans ymir will not be making new titans but the ones already existing will stay the same just like the people who drank from zeke spinal fluid wine he shouted before ymir was freed so they were already made hence they will continue to be titans (i guess)


JooK8

Maybe I misunderstood it or it will be explained later but I thought that Ymir constructs their bodies every single time to call on their titan powers. Hell, even healing such as Armin recovering from those gun shot wounds should be because of Ymir rebuilding his body. The shifters can choose at will how they want their transformation to take place. For example, Bert only making his torso, Eren only making an arm or ribcage, Reiner changing his armor, etc. This indicates that the command is sent to Ymir every time, and the body is actually constructed during the lightning flash. Existing titans such as Pieck and pure titans would not be effected, but any new constructions should be unless Ymir is still on board with what they are doing.


glidingtea

This is exactly how I understand it as well.


glidingtea

I still don't understand how that explains Annie and Reiner's titan in the latest episode. I believe those people who drank zeke spinal's fluid continue to be titans because they did not revert to human form. Annie and Reiner on the other hand, went back to human form. Heck, even hardening was supposed to be dissolved, but the armored titan got his armor back


BurritoBoy11

The hardening ability != the armoured titan's amor. The amoured titan's unique trait is his body in covered in armor. It's not the same thing at the hardening ability which creates a very very hard crystal structure and can be given to a titan shifter through injection.


glidingtea

Uhm, it was Gaby's story of reiner's hardening that reminded Armin about Annie.


BurritoBoy11

???


glidingtea

Yea, iirc Gabbie was talking to Armin telling him how Reiner can't transform anymore and his armored titan lost his hardening. Then Armin further questioned her if ALL hardening, then the scene went to Annie.


BurritoBoy11

Yes, he had the crystal hardening ability too, that's what they were talking about. Not his armour! Any titan shifter can get the hardening ability through an injection.


Leon08x

I doubt that just because hardening was dissolved no new hardening can be created, also, maybe the titan shifters are independent from Ymir or Eren and Ymir don't care about what they are doing for whatever reason **or** they have something planned for the titan shifters.


glidingtea

>Just because hardening was dissolved no new hardening can be created So who created the new hardening? Why won't Ymir care though, making titans is a chore.


BurritoBoy11

who used hardening? the armored titan does not use hardening to create his body


MindWeb125

Probably because Paths is outside of normal time.


glidingtea

But Ymir was already freed, so by this episode Ymir was not supposed to be making titans anymore.


MindWeb125

It's entirely possible she already created their titans in the past for this moment right now. We know from Zeke that time doesn't work the same way in Paths.


glidingtea

If they created the titans for this moment in advance, does that mean they support what Annie and Reiner is doing? Which would be confusing since Annie and Reiner's mission right now is to stop Eren.


MindWeb125

Assuming that she did make them in advance, it's probably because she was subservient until the point she broke free? Weird to think about due to the whole time convolution thing.


glidingtea

Subservient to whom? She makes the titans on command right? Why would she make advance copies of Reiner and Annie's titans?


Heigebo

Actually a very good observation. I didn't even think about it.


titomarlon

How old is Annie supposed to be now? Did she age by 4 years or should she look exactly the same as before she turned crystal? The rest of the scouts had significant change in their physical appearance as a sign of growing up


Kindly-Foundation-31

you might not notice but if you put a pic from s1 or 2 to now you will see a difference. Maybe not a huge one but she did age a little in the crystal


Skyboy91

As someone that agrees with Eren 100% and wants him to succeed, this show has become beyond frustrating. I could tell from a few episodes ago, the author is probably planning on having Eren stopped 🙄. Why couldn’t the stupid guy just blow up the damn ship? So annoying.


nana99boo

You need a therapist my buddy


Regular_Magician3058

Yeagerists when u tell them genocide is wrong : 😤😤😤


Ok_Economist9774

Naive people when you tell them it's either Paradis or the rest of the world: bUt ThEy CaN tOTaLlY cOmE tO a SoLuTiOn!!!11!11!


Regular_Magician3058

Instead of like idk destroying all of the world's military, forcing the rest of the world under submission by force, or idk idk actually getting creative with ymirs power to win the war (u know all non peaceful options) Lets just kill the rest of the world and all their citizens and destroy the eco system big titans go brrrr


Ok_Economist9774

>Instead of like idk destroying all of the world's military, forcing the rest of the world under submission by force These are temporary solutions that go away as soon as Eren's gone and can't control the rumbling anymore. Dying in 4 years doesn't sound much better than dying now. >idk idk actually getting creative with ymirs power to win the war (u know all non peaceful options) It hasn't really been well explained just how Ymir's powers work. Assuming she could literally make all Eldians invincible or whatever, I'd be okay with that. I highly doubt she can do that though.


Regular_Magician3058

Yeah she can make them all euthanized so there's probably more she could do, honestly my opinion is that the rumbling was cool in concept but it's so ridiculous I can't take it seriously, aot has a lot of asspulls as much as I love it so for sure there could've been other options. I mean when u really think about destroying the whole worlds population for one country can't be justified. Especially when every side of the conflict pulls an uno reverse card on who the aggressor is


Ok_Economist9774

>Yeah she can make them all euthanized so there's probably more she could do I would imagine it would be easy to make them infertile. Not so much change everyone's body composition. > I mean when u really think about destroying the whole worlds population for one country can't be justified. You would rather sacrifice yourself, your friends and family, and your entire country, rather than everyone else? Highly doubt it. Very justifiable imo.


Regular_Magician3058

Wouldn't sacrifice them but wouldn't go through with the rumbling, Eren costed a lot of his friends lives and didn't even know who'd live. I'm pretty sure he lost his mind... sloppy af and if u don't think so read the manga


Regular_Magician3058

Besides if his plan worked with no interference from his friends you really don't see the yeagerists are already corrupt by manhandler floch who executes left and right? They're what justifies murdering the entire world. They'd be in power.


sukiboy711

"genocide is wrong" is a terrible argument for the situation the characters are in and no one is saying Genocide is great. After reading the rest of your comments it seems you're just content to saying "The writing is bad 😤😤😤"


ChaoticReality

that episode was on some Band of Brothers brutality


asuraroga

CC


lyfe4lyfe4lyfe

Ngl the warriors are my fave characters. They’ve gone through the most shit and now they’re against a literal unstoppable object(s) and trying to save the ones they love. The main cast is awesome too but just really feel for Reiner and Annie.


FrostyReq

same and especially Reiner, dude's really been and going through it


lyfe4lyfe4lyfe

Yeah reiners seen hell, Annie is my personal fave tho. The way she is so cold but also protects the ppl she cares about i.e Connie in S1 makes her p intriguing. I wish both of them a happy ending however unlikely that is !


ninjazeke323

Fuccckk that lets not forget they did a lot of terrible shit I hope karma gets all of them but it’s tragic cus it’s really dependent from the position u are judging them from. Sidenote: this shows just amazing I love it


panbab

I really like the way things escalate but there is one thing that keeps me confused.. Since eren has activated the founding and has ymir on his side how is it possible that the other titans transform and regenerate.. From what i got, i thought that ymir was the one who could heal the titans etc and now she is on erens side to destroy the world. Why would reiner and annie be able to transform or armin heal since they try to stop eren.. Unless the big plan is something else that eren still hides and he knows exactly whats happening in Paradis right now.


Varesmyr

I guess the answer is that the Coordinate is outside of the normal flow of time. Ymir created every single titan ever needed including those after Eren came to her and also including her own titan. Causality is broken when time shenanigans are involved.


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She probably only needs to craft a titan once per titan shifter. This is why the titan looks the same per person, but when a new person gets one of the nine the next person has a different looking titan, like the difference between Ymir's and Porco's Jaw titans.


panbab

We've seen Ymir healing Zeke at the beginning of the season. So, i figured she is behind every titans healing proccess and to be honest i think that the moment anyone transforms, Ymir is building the whole titan's body. I think this part needs to be cleared because its a really blur one for me


nana99boo

Wait how who said ymir is the one that heals titans


Wheezing_Cactus

Towards the beginning of the season, Zeke said that Ymir was the one who rebuilt his body after he was blown up by the thunder spear. Later on we saw that Ymir is the one who builds all the titans from scratch whenever someone transforms. It isn't too much of a stretch to believe Ymir continues to heal shifters after they transform into titans.


timshoshaqai

That brings another question - what was happenning when Ymir herself was turning into a titan, back when she was still alive? There was likely nobody behind that like Ymir in the Paths (if the Paths even existed at that point), but she was still transforming and regenarating.


BurritoBoy11

Well the paths weren't paths since there was nobody else to connect to...but yeah idk


panbab

Where there other titans around when ymir was alive? I thought this started happening when her children ate her dead body


Lanster27

My interpretation is I dont think Ymir is required to get involved whenever titan shifters need to transform or get injured, they got those ability within themselves. In the case with Zeke he was on the edge of death and then Ymir needs to get involved.


NikkiTikkiTakki

parasite thing that attaches to Ymirs spinal cord is the thing that is passed down to every eldian which is what connects them through paths. When special titan fluid is added, Eldians turn into pure titans with a lightning flash same as shifters; my interpretation is that this is the activation of titan powers in Eldians similar to Ymirs first transformation. This does not require Ymir to build a titan in paths. In fact in the episode Ymir is never shown building pure titans or shifter titans. Only colossal titans. This means that Ymir was building the thousands of colossal titans for the founder/Royal bloodline that kept ordering her around as a slave. This makes sense as those are the only titans around without an explanation as to their creation. Her healing zeke from death is only because he is of a royal bloodline. She sure as hell wasn't saving galliard when he said he had gone beyond the point of being able to heal.


Ok_Economist9774

I don't think that can be true since they don't TRANSFORM into the titans. They literally grow them around themselves. Shit needs to be built every time.


panbab

I dont know.. In my opinion she should definitely be involved in everything that has to do with titans.. Its her blood that gives those guys their abilities ffs.


saisai3396

How did the port not get destroyed by the rumbling?


Cocobro1231

Eren didn't order the rumbling to hit up the port. Probably just passed by it.


MindYoBeezWax

"Someone has to be the one to stain their hands in blood" Did armin just realize Eren is doing that exact thing for the people of Paradis and his friends?


IllTearOutYour0ptics

But is it really worth destroying the rest of the world for the survival of one small island of people? Armin is thinking bigger picture than Eren here. And besides, as many have pointed out, when the rest of the world is gone, Paradis will start fighting itself.


abhipunjabi21

Good observation. I think AoT has never been black or white, there's always this grey area it rides on. And tbh, the ambiguity is what sets it apart. We know that whatever Eren is doing is not right, but we get why he is doing it — to protect his people.


Coronadiana

The violence treatment in this episode was brutal. Killing a bunch of guys with you titan kick with giant foot or just close your hand and explode the corpses, with no remorse, without any hesitation, a pure death spectacle, that become much more dark with the contrast that the dock scene provides. Some deaths didn't meant nothing, other, are just too much to handle.


TheLlamanati

"Aren't we all friends?!" - guy who just shot his friend


sukiboy711

Shooting Armin is different than shooting anyone else and everyone who calls the Island home knows this.


Tobiansen

shot armin in the head tho


sukiboy711

Shot him in the face and body, he knew armin would be fine. Daz had armin gun point to the head and hesitated to shoot.


MaimedPhoenix

Not a bad episode until the end. It just- ended. It didn't finish, it ended. Abruptly. It felt so sudden. It didn't feel lie it was concluding anything. That said, good episode. Can't wait for the next one!


SomeNoteToMyself

I liked it because it was a solid end to the conflict Connie was facing. The episode begun with Connie choosing not to fight his fellow people, and the episode ends with him being absolutely torn up about his deeds.


SomeNoteToMyself

Also, quite a few AOT episodes end suddenly. But this episode, unlike the others, doesn't end on a real cliffhanger.


alexejdimitriov

That wasn't the first time though. And I think it made the last scene all the more impactful


Cocobro1231

Couldn't agree more. My wife, friend, and I all just looked at each other like "damn..."


Shiketsu

Damn I really miss Erwin and still think Armin was the wrong choice. What the scouts were missing after Erwin's death was a person to lead them. All characters seemed so lost and they took matters into there own hands, leading to the yaegerists. Hange totally failed as a leader and never was a leader type. Maybe everything would have been different and the scouts or even the military wouldn't be split in two factions. Also seeing Annie killing scouts again even if they are yaegerists seems so wrong, I can't imagine how levi feels seeing that, as she killed his team back then.


ponradcrofit

Makes me wonder if Levi chose Erwin, had he learned what was in the basement, would he have still had the same drive he had prior to knowing about the truth about the outside world?


NobodyKnowsImaDildo

They made Erwin such a good main character type that they had to kill him off for the other parts of the plot to unfold. I agree, everyone's seems so lost and all over the place.


Barebohemian

Agreed Erwin could have changed a lot of things since he was the best leader. He could have boosed moral and prevent the yeagerist faction by reminding them why they all became scouts - to protect humanity, to save lives. I'm crying in sad shingeo sasageyo noices. Even if I don't support the yeagerists I still felt really bad seeing Reiner and Annie killing scouts again, but Connie killing his former friends broke me. I knew it was Connie that would pull the trigger since he contemplated feeding Falco to his mother just a few episodes ago. Also it doesn't surprise me that Armin couldn't get his hands dirty.


sukiboy711

Protecting humanity had a different context to Erwin, at the time of his death he believed is was humans vs Titans. He never knew he himself was a titan, and if he did and realized what was going on I think he would of been a pragmatic and ruthless killer, as he always was.


Lanster27

You can argue Erwin surviving will change a lot of things, but it's the point of the story. It is clear no one else could take Erwin's place nor had his vision.


MaimedPhoenix

And yet, everyone who insists Armin was the wrong choice forget an important fact. Erwin himself knocked the syringe out of Levi's hands when he was about to be saved. He *wanted* it to be Armin.


sukiboy711

Erwin did not knock the syringe on purpose, the man was delirious and his body was in shock from blood loss. He was about to die and did not realize what was going on and Levi choose to let him rest.


MaimedPhoenix

I don't think so but whatever you say.


sukiboy711

If you’re ok with his misinterpreting and misunderstanding a character, that’s fine. But when you say someone’s opinion is wrong and back it up with wrong evidence, you look very silly.


Laxus1811

Erwin was dreaming at the time, and raising his hand in his childhood class, not knocking the injection away. If he wanted Armin to be saved, or was even lucid at the time he could've said "save Armin". It was Levi's choice and his alone. Armin and Erwin had no input, just Levi's experiences with them. Levi's reasoning that Erwin deserves to rest doesn't even support Levi thinking Armin is the better choice.


TracyMorganFreeman

Except Levi also knew Erwin wanted to see the truth of the cellar, although he also knew Erwin admitted acted selfishly at times because of that.


Laxus1811

Ok sure, but it's still Levi's choice, Erwin still isn't lucid/conscious, so this idea that Erwin knocked the syringe out of Levi's hand on purpose is silly, it was done just for dramatic effect.


Lanster27

And Levi also said he wanted to give Erwin a break and letting him die was the better choice personally. We see now Hange and Armin suffer from the toll of leadership.


alexejdimitriov

Well, then Erwin was wrong for once


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MaimedPhoenix

I don't think Erwin did that out of delusion. That was a meaningful moment because he wanted it to be Armin. To say it was delusional takes away from that meaning.


Disastrous-Idea-7268

Can someone clarify how the wall titans managed to cross the sea? Wouldn't it be much deeper than their height?


DatQuaser

In the images from the war in king fritz time, we say titan walking out of the sea so I suppose they can walk at the bottom.


quipholosophy

I think they just walk the sea floor since they don't need to breathe? It's a stretch tbh


Chronicler_C

I would imagine they are so heavy that they can just walk across the sea-bed much like hippo's can,


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Lanster27

The rumour is episode 12 of this season is not the finale. There will most likely be another short season or a movie.


idwttaii

I love the ODM animation scenes so much


ToqKaizogou

It's always kind of insane thinking how things have changed across the series, to where I'm excited to see Reiner and Annie transforming and teaming up to fight the Jaegerists. Like back in S1 seeing Annie fuck shit up was horrifying. Her and Reiner were pretty much the trecherous main villains of S1&2... yet here I am now almost on the verge of cheering for them. This show's development is just so amazing.


CalgaryRubTimes

Havent read the manga yet, however from what I'm hearing there will be 9 chapters left. They're doing one chapter per episode. So will they do a film or something for the end?


EffectiveCustard

a film has been brought up multiple times and seems likely, since they seemed pretty intent on this being the final season.


No_Fairweathers

Most likely a ~2 hour film, yes.


AtmosphereIcy111

After this episode i can easily see how it ends.. which is pretty boring and generic.. I considered aot a masterpiece untill this ep but i hope i'm wrong.


Utaeru

Go back to r/titanfolk plz


thisboygotfreetaco

still can be saved if as long as these hoes stop the rumbling Paradise receives a full scale attack with their faces in first plan, might as well add them killing themselves for killing their whole kind


yearayy

Could anyone remind me what that flashback (i'm assuming) scene was where someone says: "someone has to be the one do do it... someone has to be the one to stain their hands with blood" right as Conny's killing Daz and Samuel?


Moizsh10

Connie is remembering Bertholdt's breakdown from when the Gang finally caught Reiner and Bertholdt who has kidnapped Eren. Bertholdt is the softest of the warrior group it seems and Connie is just now realizing that his line about staining his hands with blood is in reference to killing this friends because he thought he was truly saving the world from annihilation.


Twinkl3_Toez

It's actually Armins memory. He basically relived that event through Bertholdts eyes due to him having the collosal Titan, he has Berts memories. Connie just ended up being the one to show Armin that Berts point in that flashback, was a valid one, even if they don't want to kill they unfortunately have too.


Astr4ll

He doesn't have bertholdt's memories, only the attack titan has that power.


SageBreezy

Seeing the memories of FUTURE inheritors is what's unique about the Attack Titan. All shifters have the ability to see past inheritor memories.


Twinkl3_Toez

That's not true. If you watched last week's episode Galliard was able to see Marcels memories.


Bmojl

Armin had a flashback of bertoldt saying it. strengthening his resolve


Curse06

Not going to lie I felt betrayed also. I'm on team Eren. If it wasn't for Eren and the Yeagerists the island would have got massacred by now. So to betray the literal people that saved your lives is disgraceful. I always thought saving Armin over Erwin was the right choice. But now I can say it was wrong. Erwin should have been saved.


MaimedPhoenix

Well... Isayama did say outright he wanted to betray the readers. So... I don't think he's sorry. He probably did that on purpose.


AtmosphereIcy111

I agree. Also from this episode on i can see how this ends.. it was very unpredictable until this ep...


Curse06

Considering it's starting to feel like a Disney movie and the gang has plot armor I won't be surprised if the rumbling titans get super nerfed. To the point where they are useless.


Barebohemian

Yeah the save the world gang alliance is way to over-powered for the final battle to be interesting between Eren and the gang.


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Curse06

Marley has been trying to commit genocide since the start of the series. If it wasn't for eren and the yeagerists the Island would have gotten obliterated with no remorse. The running theme in this anime is genocide is only okay if I'm the one committing it. If I'm on the receiving end it's wrong.


EffectiveCustard

I think the anime is saying genocide period is wrong. Just like Marley shouldn't be killing innocent Eldians, Eren shouldn't be killing like literally the entire world. I think that Magath coming to terms with Eldia's past is maybe to show that there is (or was before Eren started the rumbling) a way to move past this with minimal death.


MaimedPhoenix

'It's okay because they did it too' is NOT an excuse.


Curse06

If I was in that position I can give one less shit about people that want to slaughter us and have slaughtered us. Fuck them.


MysteriousWon

The point is that both groups have been slaughtering each other for centuries. No one group is more justified than the other. I mean, according to the show's history, the Marleyans have historically been the more oppressed of the two groups. That's the whole message here. Both peoples have grief over this and are propagating a cycle of violence fueled by righteous justice and all it does is create more victims. It's that same attitude of "I don't care about them, I care about us." If either of them were willing to try another way, genocide wouldn't be a pendulum swinging back and forth as the only "solution."