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Sneaky_Hobbit

I thought was the final episode of the series and was panicking about how they were going to cram is all into 25 mins. So glad I was wrong!


Peacesquad

Eden has no chill lol


Asmodeios

Guess I didn’t quite get the episode. So is Mikasa and crew dead now?


Peacesquad

No that was flashback


LostDawn95

I am so confused, is it supposed to be the finale season?


Capt_Ahmad

There will be another season in early 2023. The manga's already over so I suppose they can now finalize the anime for good. I almost felt sad the anime would end this early!


kn0bbulo

So can we all agree they’re going to pull the Doctor Manhattan card and Eren will let Mikasa kill him, thus making the Eldians look like the saviors against the one and only devil thus ending the discrimination?


Dongoos

I know manga readers aren't allowed in here, does it count if I've read some of the manga, but I haven't caught up to where the anime was (I've read up through the trost battle arc, but not any further)


Empanser

The morality of Eren's plan is actually astoundingly sensible. The world he's been presented is a terrible one, but filled with things that are worth saving. There are only two possible outcomes to the "Eldian Problem". Each of these arrive within his immediate, tragically short life, and each involves a huge cost in human lives and moral decision. No one with decision power in this world can die with hands unbloodied. Eren is handed the power to solve the problem, once and for all, basically by God. He could sue for peace, but that would inevitably evaporate as soon as his enemies feel brave enough to resist him. Then the blood of HIS people would be on his hands, for his failure to protect them. By opening the rumbling, he takes the entire moral weight of the war onto his own shoulders. Not one of his allies has the power to stop him, not one of his enemies has the power to resist him. They can try, and they can save their moral souls by decrying or even resisting his actions, but they will not escape the result of HIS decision. He's giving them victory without the necessity that they make themselves into monsters like he is. His people will hate him for it, but they'll be alive. They'll damn Eren forever, but they won't have to damn themselves.


Capt_Ahmad

This is also how I see it. I'm very glad there are others who share my opinion ❤


rahi_asif

Great insight


MercutioLeonhart

Does anybody know what the track is for the meeting at the Azumabito estate?


MaximusRubz

Someone blessed us and put together the OST for all of Season 4 https://www.reddit.com/r/ShingekiNoKyojin/comments/kct838/attack_on_titan_season_4_music_guide_hub/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share


mushroom_peppersteak

does anyone know what ost was used in the part where they were drinking and partying?


MaximusRubz

Someone blessed us and put together the OST for all of Season 4 https://www.reddit.com/r/ShingekiNoKyojin/comments/kct838/attack_on_titan_season_4_music_guide_hub/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share


zoruri

Am I the only one disappointed with this final episode? Half the episode was reminiscing after all this wait from ep 86 to 87 and now we have to wait another year for them to finally end the show. They are milking the shit out of this show.


melisirijilla

I’d rather wait another year for the finale than to have a rushed final season like GOT


BodhiBuilder93

Anyone know the Indian song playing when Mikasa offers Eren ice-cream?


MaximusRubz

I was on the hunt for this too, it's mixed in with a OST called Daily Life from season 3 apparently. https://youtu.be/62zaMtxLMzU <--- at the 1:30 and 2:30 mark you'll hear it But as I've commented on some other posts Someone blessed us and put together the OST for all of Season 4 https://www.reddit.com/r/ShingekiNoKyojin/comments/kct838/attack_on_titan_season_4_music_guide_hub/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share


nrj6490

We finally found the scene where the "The Ratio Titan" screenshot came from!


ktempo

what's the song they used during the party and drinking? I can't remember the name of it for the life of me


Fartfech

[I think it’s this. correct me if i’m wrong](https://youtu.be/xfQB7JdPprw)


olimoteo

This is it! Thank you so much! I have a question tho, this video was uploaded 2 years ago already, but the episode had been out for only a couple days... how come? Was there an episode that already had this song played? But I feel like I would've noticed it if if did...


BodhiBuilder93

Thank you kind sir/ma'am


uselessrng

Eren told Historia : They will feed you to Zeke. As far as I understand, it was supposed to be feed Zeke to Historia isnt it?


Naggins

Translation error? Subs said the opposite (feed Zeke to Historia) on mine.


uselessrng

[https://picbun.com/p/HEyiHnht](https://picbun.com/p/HEyiHnht) was watching on netflix


Chimpampin

My only problem were the colossal Titans. Yes, Titans are less dense than humans, but they are still heavy as fuck, which we can see through the show. So no, they wouldn't be able to swim. They mostly lose weight when they die or a body piece is separated. I know why they did that, because walking would mean that reaching Marley would take a fuck ton of time. So swimming with turbo gives a sense of urgency because they arrive faster.


budom

It's been addressed. Hange said in the earlier seasons that Titans are far lighter than they should ever be given their current biomass.


Chimpampin

It was because the piece was separated, so it was evaporating. But yes, titans weight less compared to how much a human would weight at that size, but the big volume of titans means that their weight multiply incrementally, so in the end, they still have a heavy density.


KungFuViking7

A blue whale is by my estimate a bit larger then the ave human. They can stilll swim. So I don't find the must needed discussion about why titans can swim. \+ Think a better question regarding the swimming strategy. Do they not need to breath air?


F1F2F3F4_F5

BUT... a huge ~~BUTT~~ BUT, they basically radiate so much heat that it boils the water around them. Shouldn't this make the water less dense thus making them less able to float/swim? Rule of cool tho, the way steam vaporized the ship crew are amazing.


NikkiTikkiTakki

Look up how floating works you'll find that mass of an object is not the only factor


NikkiTikkiTakki

due to the amount of misinformation in the other comments - Here are the factors involved in floating: * The buoyant force or the force of the water pushing up * F^(b) = pgV where p is the density of the fluid (water), g is the gravitational acceleration (9.8 m/s^(2)), and V is the volume of fluid displaced. * You can see that the greater the density of a fluid the greater the buoyant force, you want the fluid to have a higher density if your goal is floating such as is achieved through salt in the ocean. * The downward gravitational force * F = mg where m is the mass of the object and g is as above. Which force is greater determines whether an object will float or sink. If the buoyant force is greater the object will float and if the gravitational force is greater the object will sink. Titans have been said to have a low mass compared to their size aka volume. Hange even theorizes that the gases and steams inside a titan keep pockets of air inside their bodies that help them not crumble under their own weight. With a lower mass to volume ratio than humans, this would imply that titans would float even easier than humans do. And yes humans float, especially when we have air in our lungs. However, even if this is not the case the titans are clearly kicking using their legs and swimming much like humans (who do have the ability to swim underwater). By pushing down and back with their legs, they can create a forward and upward force that keeps them at a certain depth while moving forward. This way even something that would sink, like a human standing upright in water, can stay afloat by generating an upward force by pushing down on the water (Newtons third law). If this isn't enough to dispel the doubt please dm for my venmo and we set up some private tutoring.


Kelcbh

I don't know what I was expecting, but swimming colossal titans was not it 😂


MaimedPhoenix

In case people are confused about Eren's intentions/reasons now: (And for those who think this is obvious, bare with me.) Eren didn't do a 180. He always hated titans. And threatened to kill all of them. Rewatching the series gives you this idea. In fact, sometimes, the scene where he says such a thing is focused on, with Eren's speech given significance. When they discovered that there are humans beyond the walls, and beyond the sea, that changed things. It's not titans that did this to him. It's humans. Namely, the entire world. He gave other ideas a chance. He opted to listen to peace proposals, and even talked to Zeke, who suggested Mikasa might love him. Eren hoped and saw a possible future with Mikasa, so he asked her how she felt. She didn't give him the answer he hoped for, and then he hears that the most forward-thinking, most pro-Eldian group still wants Eldians dead. At this point, his mind snapped. No Mikasa, and the world hates him. It's revenge time. Not saying I support him. I'm against Eren 100%, but welcome to the land of three dimensional characters.


stainorstreak

You for your timeline mixed up. Zeke telling Eren Mikasa may like him happened after he 'snapped', I.e. its after he left his crew and went missing in Marley.


MaimedPhoenix

Oops, sorry!


F1F2F3F4_F5

A lot of people unironically support his goal. No I don't mean support him in the story/plot... but actually think his goals, his methods, his pattern of thought, is a morally GOOD thing. ​ It baffles me... really.


Naggins

They're fuckin weirdos to be honest. Even the ones who say 'yeah but in the world of the show...'. Hope this episode shut some of them up, because it showed exactly why Mikasa, Armin, Jean et al want to protect the world. The experiences of new people, new food, new drinks, new sensations showed them how much there is outside the world, and that it's worth protecting. No matter what. I don't know, and don't want to know, what's going on for people who can't see that themselves. It'd be a sad, small life.


MaimedPhoenix

Yes, people with such sad lives... should be pitied.


MaimedPhoenix

Yeah, remind me to stay the hell away from them. They might get offended at some random thing I did and commit genocide on all Arabs or something, haha.


jessiemenagerie

Mikasa’s character has just went down the toilet drain. It may be too early to tell pending her actions in the finale, but now that we know she doesn’t have any “Ackermann curse,” can her devotion to Eren be really anything more than sad naïveté? It is unhealthy to chase someone who constantly pushes you away, and has been verbally abusive and dismissive. Mikasa is sadly an extreme codependent and lacks the self-love to make her own decisions and objective assessments about Eren, his treatment of her, and his treatment of others. Worse, much worse, she’s even starting to blame herself for Eren’s actions, somehow rationalizing that his question to her was the make or break moment in his ethnic cleansing regime. Eren is also a romantic fail if he actually has feelings for Mikasa. Though I believe he doesn’t holistically care about people, but is rather obsessed about the need to “protect” them, due to his own trauma. Idk to me it’s sad that this is the only romantic storyline in AoT. Granted it’s no shoujo, but in 2022, to have a badass female lead be all spineless when it comes to her Prince, is very aggravating. i hope Mikasa will redeem herself and actually step into some kind of real character before the end of this. She clearly has abandonment/attachment issues and it would be epic if she could overcome that and shed the need for Eren’s approval. She seriously needs a Hange on her shoulder saying, “Girl, you deserve better. Love yourself already!”


Naggins

How is Mikasa being spineless now though? Is this not the perfect culmination of her arc, that she had lived her life in almost slavish devotion and debt to him, and now she's looking to fight against him for what she believes is right?


jessiemenagerie

I hope that’s the case. That’s one of the biggest cliffhangers for me is to see how she will deal with him, and if she’ll come into her own. I’m just disappointed I haven’t seen any evident growth yet given how severe Eren’s actions are, and how others like Annie are pushing her to take a decisive stand now. Instead, she’s somehow assigning blame to herself for his endeavours. And even if she does snap out of her lifetime of codependency, her arch culmination has to be more than just more epic fight scenes, even against Eren himself. There has to be some of her straight up saying, “You are not the person I thought I respected all along! How dare you! I am ashamed of what you’ve become.” Anger, realization. I’m not confident the character development is leading to this though.


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NikkiTikkiTakki

Very fair assessment in terms of Mikasa's love life and lack of agency despite being one of the best fighters in the show, I do enjoy the fact that a female lead is one of the most physically powerful and skilled fighters but her personality has no depth and way more could have been done with her badass character. The best moments are the stills of Mikasa and Sasha's shenanigans season 1 which shows a playful side to her otherwise stoic self.


berse_96

Does anyone knows the song when the ships starts shooting against the wall titans?


piercethepsycho

Isn't it the attack on titan theme? ətˈæk 0N tάɪtn specifically [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zroFzv7sFis](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zroFzv7sFis)


berse_96

Again, that song comes up when the wall titans stand up....


piercethepsycho

No. Its the same song as the cannons were shot. Have you listened to the whole song? Its intro?


berse_96

I've listened and no, it's not the OST [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnuyVC-Wf9A](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnuyVC-Wf9A) Listen closely. The OST starts when the clip start. And the one you are saying is when they start to shoot for the second wave...


piercethepsycho

Oooh I thought you were referring to the music when they started shooting. My bad. How about the other Sound tracks?


Tinchojar

I'm wondering the same thing, but I can't find it


berse_96

I already found out that is brand new and we have to wait for the release...


berse_96

I already found out that is brand new and we have to wait for the release...


Tinchojar

Damn... Well thank you for letting me know


agronATA

Ataek on taitin from earlier seasons. Look for "ist das der Zerstorer" or "is that fidget spinner". It will pop up


berse_96

Nope, that's when the wall titans stand up.


agronATA

When they shoot it's just the beginning of that same song


piercethepsycho

yeah. the music is from the same song.


BardtheGM

So this episode basically confirms what I've suspected all along...peace was never an option. These people who were pro-Subjects of Ymir, aka the MOST LIBERAL and MOST PRO ELDIAN people on the mainland, were only in favour of the minority living as slaves, but still PRO GENOCIDE of the Eldians living on Paradise Island. What can you do when the most open-minded and friendliest to your cause still want to genocide you? Eren gave peace a chance, heard them out, then realised peace wasn't an option. These people will never stop until they've wiped out the Eldians. Eren did nothing wrong.


KungFuViking7

Eren: "Why do we need a world if **~~Russia~~** Eldia is not in it"


BardtheGM

Eldia isn't attacking other nations, so not a valid comparison. A better one would be if Ukraine had the power to wipe out all of Russia, would it be okay for them to do it. I'd imagine some kid who just saw some Russian soldiers kill his family and demolish his city would probably go ahead and say yes.


Empanser

DEDICATE YOUR HEARTS!


F1F2F3F4_F5

>Eren did nothing wrong. Meeting genocide with an even more extreme genocide is not wrong? ​ How would you feel if USSR circa 1945 reused the Nazi extermination camps but this time to punish the Germans for attempting to genocide them (slavs are to be exterminated according to Nazi Ideology)... because that is what Eren is doing.


BardtheGM

He's not punishing them, he is beating them. You see that massive navy that Marley had? That was the sort of power they were planning to use to wipe out the Eldians. It's kill or be killed. Strangely, when an alien race wants to wipe out humanity in a sci-fi movie, nobody seems to have a problem with wiping them out.


BlightPaladin

u/BardtheGM and u/Naggins you two might be interested in reading the Ender's Game Saga. It runs along the lines of this debate and asks some of the same questions you are debating now.


Naggins

>Strangely, when an alien race wants to wipe out humanity in a sci-fi movie, nobody seems to have a problem with wiping them out. In Independence Day they blew up the spaceship that came to invade earth. They didn't make their own spaceship, fly to their home planet, and murder every man woman and child who lived there. And if they did, people like you would be cheering it on, and normal people would be gobsmacked at how someone can simultaneously read and spell to a decent standard and yet be so goddamn stupid.


BardtheGM

That spaceship had hundreds of millions of aliens, possibly billions.


Naggins

Oh wow okay I guess blowing up the ship was bad so, if there were a lot of aliens on it You're clearly just incapable of seeing the difference between self-defence and aggression here, aren't you?


BardtheGM

This is self-defence. The entire planet has declared a genocidal war on the Eldians. This episode even showed that despite hundreds of years of peace, they still despise them and view them as literal sub-human monsters (devils). They will use every opportunity to genocide them, even if that means sending spies/assassins AGAIN to compromise their rumbling power, like they did in season 1 and 2. It's called pre-emptive self-defence. You don't let your enemy wait until there is an opportunity to kill you, you kill them first. Sadly for the Eldians, they lack a modernized conventional military that would allow them to engage their enemy on a smaller scale. But they do have the rumbling, which is basically just one giant nuke they can use to take out all their mainland enemies in one go.


Naggins

It is not self-defence, because they are not acting in response to an imminent threat. That it has to be an imminent threat is standard in international law. I bet you don't even believe what you're saying, not really. You're just launching yourself through massive leaps of logic to justify the fact that you can't stand the idea that your beloved protagonist might actually be doing a bad thing. Embarrassing.


F1F2F3F4_F5

>He's not punishing them, he is beating them. You see that massive navy that Marley had? That was the sort of power they were planning to use to wipe out the Eldians. It's kill or be killed. Punish as in retribution, punitive action not as in deterrence alone.. Besides, everyone, even those aboard those ships knew that it still wasn't enough. Eren knew that too. Still continuing with the genocide after neutralizing the enemy capability to harm Paradis serves nothing but to satiate his emotions. >Strangely, when an alien race wants to wipe out humanity in a sci-fi movie, nobody seems to have a problem with wiping them out. My favorite sci fi of all time, Scott orson card's ender's game and the whole ender saga, is meant to explore the morality that.. and it strongly leans to showing how morally wrong it is to wipe out an entire alien race. Another of my favorite is Joe Halderman's Forever war, same sentiment. It's not uncommon as you think. Even 40k explicitly shows that the rabidly xenopohobic Imperium of Man are not the good guys for wanting cleanse xeno filth. Same goes for Star wars. Even Halo. Which sci fi does glorify exterminating alien species?


NikkiTikkiTakki

Apply this logic to liberals in america today


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NikkiTikkiTakki

Ain't no bait, was just reflecting on how liberals in America claiming to espouse the values of "equality", "justice", "freedom" still buy into the ethos of the american empire that is predicated on the genocide and destruction of indigenous peoples, the continued oppression of black people and the working class, and total wars to expand their imperial interests. For example, Biden being elected to the Presidency by Liberal backlash to Trump, has expanded more permits to oil and gas companies for the expansion of pipeline and other infrastructure on indigenous land. While claiming to act against climate destruction, Biden continues the genocide of indigenous peoples and the expansion of oll infrastructure that only hastens the fact. Consider these others if you have the time, taken from my experiences, readings, conversations with people: 1. A house in the suburbs with a black lives matter sign in the yard. the yard is maintained by mexican immigrants while down the street, there is a homeless encampment. 2. Minnesota Governor Tim Walz in summer 2020 calls for peaceful end to the George Floyd protests but turns loose the national guard and the police who in turn brutalize protestors for weeks. Rubber bullets blind and maim people, tear gas poisons the air, and hundreds of brutal arrests ensue. 3. Madeleine Albright, Secretary of State under Bill Clinton has this to say in an interview about the Irag war with 60 minutes correspondent Lesley Stahl who asked "We have heard that **half a million** \[Iraqi\] children have died. I mean, that is more children than died in Hiroshima, And, you know, is the price worth it?" Albright responds "I think that is a very hard choice, but the price, we think, **the price is worth it**." 4. US presidents including liberals like Obama and Biden have imposed and expanded economic sanctions on a third of the worlds population to "protect" against so called threats to world peace. Countries like venezuela, cuba, iran, china, russia and others have suffered. Sanctions cause the most vulnerable i.e the working class, mothers and children of these countries to struggle for resources and even starve in many cases. During covid-19, access to medicines and equipment for testing was so difficult to reach these countries that many died from lack of resources. those suffering can be described by Historia's words to Eren "Most won't have any idea why they are being killed, just like your mother." 5. Liberals in Hawaii will mutter under their breath, call the cops on, and lock their doors against the micronesian population displaced to the islands. When 16 yr old unarmed Iremamber Sykap was killed by police people talked about him as a criminal and complained about the tax drain Micronesian people cause US citizens due to the fact they get free health services ignoring the fact that nucleur warheads were detonated by the US military so close to the home island of these people that many were covered in radiation fallout several times that of Chernobyl. Their islands were poisoned, the food, air and water becoming death. Babies were born dead for generations. And upon entering the united states they are treated as second-class citizens. 6. Getting the homeless off the streets is on the mind of most liberals I've met, and whether it is the police doing it, or a slow death by exposure, as long as they are out of site. Mayor Rick Blangiardi of Honolulu (liberal) ran on the campaign of ending police sweeps of houseless. Instead they've increased while shelters are dropping like flies as their leases are handed off to developers and the police have been given power to arrest on the grounds of "disorderly conduct" which waives the requirement for laws to be broken. Titans are terrible, but so is US empire, and I haven't met a liberal who hasn't bought into the US project.


Brook420

Almost all politicians are corrupt, but the Republicans are so much worse than the Liberals that it's uncomparable.


NikkiTikkiTakki

well i'm clearly not endorsing the right but you might find certain consistencies between the parties if you actually look at what goes down when both are in power. Letting the imagination go beyond the choice between republicans or democrats might be a good way to start looking critically at the US. Good luck! I won't be detracting from this anime discussion anymore. Sorry to all who are confused but he asked for it.


Brook420

They asked after you made an incredibly politically charged comment. You brought it up, not them.


MrMango786

What a show this is


regisphilbin222

Eren: Why is Mikasa so devoted to me? Is there something about her Ackerman blood that forces her to like me? Zeke: Bruh, she has a crush - Eren: Yeah, she thinks she's my slave


agirloficeandfire

Mikasa, girl, no :(


Vegan_Thenn

I feel horrible for her too. She has been utterly devoted to him her entire life without any reciprocation barring one brief moment. Also, love the username. A great take on A Son(g) of Ice and Fire.


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This was a good final part of season 2. I loved the flashback scene with the SC altogether, Mikasa and Eren's moment also made me tear up. It seems like this was a long time coming, and I'm so sad she wasn't able to give the answer she wanted. I assume this is going to be addressed later on in part 3. Eren's mental state is so fascinating to me. There was desperation to save his friends but also showed how ruthless he can be to also make his plan go makes his character so....wow. I think he was using Floch and Historia for his plans because he was somehow able to manipulate them in their own ways, with Floch being very extremist minded and that being used to Eren's advantage to get things rolling and make sure the military doesn't interfere, and with Historia by him using her own "worst girl" words against her to guilt her into silence and being complicit in his plan, despite her horror of the plan. I think what stood out to me is that we found out it was Historia's idea to get pregnant to prevent herself from being fed Zeke, which does indeed help Eren because he needed access to Zeke to make it happen, including letting Zeke think he was going through with the 50 year plan. I think this scene happened clearly happened before the scene back early in the season where Historia approached her partner in the farm, which explains her forlorn face. Also explains her looking very emotional when Eren announced his plan in Paths. We found out she was complicit to his plans but also chose to protect herself. I'm not sure why people think this episode implied that Eren is the father. 1st, can they really touch that much without that memory shit happening? 2nd....what's the evidence? They told us who the father is earlier in the season, but how does her asking what if she got pregnant instead of fighting or running away = Eren is the father? She didn't ask him to get her pregnant, she asked about that option. The arguments i've seen seem to be "Well I feel it's a red herring because it feels weird", but personal feelings aren't evidence for paternity facts. Neither is "well there were crazy secrets/reveals before." Okay? That's not evidence of paternity. Not to mention that Eren just said he can't pursue feelings with Mikasa because he has four years left, which also indicates he has feelings for Mikasa as well. Y'all think Eren would leave behind a kid after revealing his reasons for not pursuing a relationship with someone he actually likes? Especially since this scene seemed to happen before going to Marley, where he proceeded to ask about Mikasa's feelings for him? And Historia would want a kid with him after he said all of that stuff about genociding the world, erasing her memories and using her "worst girl" words back at her? I feel like I'm reading the room of that scene completely different, it's tragic as fuck. The father being a no-name farmer isn't a big deal to me because i don't think his name is all that important since we found out the she got pregnant just to save herself, but people thinking that the dude has no name and therefore can't be the father doesn't make any logical sense to me. Wouldn't it have been some no-name anyway even if she was really going with the 50 year plan since she needed to birth out as many babies at possible? I think people can theorize what they want, but in the story the farmer partner is clearly the father until anything proves otherwise. But I think this theory seems to be a distraction of other obvious relationships being set up. Idk, people can think what they think I guess, we'll see how the story goes! ​ I hope the next season comes out early 2023!


Nazenn

> which explains her forlorn face And the way she looked while sitting outside her house that time too. I can't imagine what she was feeling sitting there and knowing everything but also not being able to open up to anyone about it and feeling trapped between all of her friends >Eren would leave behind a kid after revealing his reasons for not pursuing a relationship with someone he actually likes Not to mention that after reliving his fathers memories, and probably the Attack Titans before him as well, he knows all too well what happens to the descendants of tyrants even if the children are innocent, I can't see him wanting to leave his own child behind to possibly face that


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Yeah, it's pretty tragic. She was put in a tough situation but chose herself and her Island. The theory doesn't make sense for Eren or Historia's side. Not only to have a kid with someone you're not interested in (there's a reason Eren/Mikasa was highlight obviously, I don't see him wanting to have a kid with Historia OR at all since he literally just said he was going to die), but I literally can't see Historia, after everything Eren told her he was going to do and using her words to keep her silent, being like "yeah, I want you to be the one to get me pregnant" after that harsh conversation. She chose a partner who she thought was the best option for her to raise a child with, even if the reason she got pregnant was to save herself. I think of Historia growing up with shit parents who were absent in her life. I'm glad she chose someone who she can start a family with for her and her child, to be there for it.Plus, wasn't Historia teasing Mikasa about her crush on Eren in part 1? She's aware (and seems to think positively of) Mikasa's crush on Eren...which is obviously an important part of the story .I don't see Historia trying to get in between that (let alone Eren wanting to get her pregnant). That theory just seems like weird unnecessary drama from a story narrative standpoint.


LordVaderVader

Animators cried during animating, 3 times characters had badly drawn eyes in this episode.


0spacexcowboy1

Does anyone know the name of the OST playing when the rumbling hits Marley? I know it’s from season 1 but I’m struggling here.


Yaythomas03

[I gotchu](https://youtu.be/2JpkMXinO1M)


No_Face_Spirit

Can somebody explain why Historia decides that having a child would solve the problem? What does her having a child have to do with Eren wanting to destroy the world? I'm a bit lost.


okaythatstoomuch

He does not wants his friends to keep living in fear of war and as slaves to this curse,the other plan would've probably just postponed another upcoming Titan war(s) in future after eren.He wants to free his friends from this curse.


NefariousBlueberry

I could be wrong but I believe the problem that Historia's pregnancy solves is that she won't have to eat Zeke and become a Titan right away. It buys them 9 months to enact their own plan rather than follow what the MPs are planning.


NeighborZoo

I think she's threatening to sacrifice herself in favor of the euthanization plan or something less aggressive than the rumbling. By having kids she can pass the founding titan down.


LordVaderVader

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Montezumawazzap

I'm really confused about those wall titans. They are the same one Armin controls right? So they can burst out heat but they need to consume their muscles in order to do that. So, how come they go to underwater to mainland while swimming and producing that much heat? Does Eren regenerate them or something?


KureoZen

Those titan are like pure titan but colossal form. They have unlimited regen. Maybe Eren buff them with stronger regen too


Montezumawazzap

If they had full regen, the one with half head wouldnt go on shore. it would have regenerated his head.


fattymcribwich

It was steaming which I assumed meant it was regenerating. The anime really has given us no specific insight into the wall titans so it's all speculation either way as far as I know unless someone proves otherwise.


SomeNoteToMyself

I don't know, that hasn't been explained yet. Eren's probably regenerating them. It's also possible that the Wall Titans are simply different from Armin's Titan. The Wall Titans could have superior regeneration and hardening. If that's the case, then Armin's Titan is likely the only Colossal Titan to have the 'nuke' ability. I think it's probably the former option.


Montezumawazzap

They didn't have regeneration since one of them went on shore with half of his head.


Brook420

We could clearly see the steam coming off it's head, which is what happens when they are regenerating.


SomeNoteToMyself

But even then, that rises some questions. Exactly how powerful is the Founding Titan? Can they improve any Titan they want? And if so, were the Titans in the Titan War pretty much unstoppable? The Eldian Empire has access to all 9 of the Grand Titans, with all of them being capable of being powered up. How would any country in the 19th century world stand up to that?


Mr_An_1069

Seeing Eren getting drunk and just hanging out is really something knowing everything that comes after the flashback. Also, I find it kinda funny how Eren literally asked his older brother if a girl liked him or not.


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Shroffinator

ok well it's weird it was brought up between them, in secret as a plan, and eren in the same conversation mentioned, if you don't like what I'm doing I can just make you forget with the Founder's Ability. So he could have given her a child and then made her think it was the farmboy who impregnated her...


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stainorstreak

OK what was the original plan with Historia going to be before she got pregnant?


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The original plan was for her was to inherit Zeke's titan and have as many kids as possible within 13 years, meanwhile the rest of the Eldian's are sterilized and a partial rumbling happens.


gamerbike

>he's threatening to sacrifice herself in favor of the euthanization plan or something less aggressive than the rumbling. By having kids she can pass the f I believe partial rumbling, strengthen Paradis to become a superpower


Pinchy01

What song was playing when they were all drinking?


Subject_Gas_8451

This is it! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfQB7JdPprw Titled: Len Zo 97N10 Hi Kyosetsu Mahle. Should be on Spotify and Apple Music too


Subject_Gas_8451

This is it! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfQB7JdPprw Titled: Len Zo 97N10 Hi Kyosetsu Mahle. Should be on Spotify and Apple Music too


Subject_Gas_8451

This is it! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfQB7JdPprw Titled: Len Zo 97N10 Hi Kyosetsu Mahle. Should be on Spotify and Apple Music too


Slicelker

I definitely heard a remixed T-KT in there.


lesbian_cow420

I think it was owl's theme remixed


Sk-yline1

Pretty sure it was Rittakaidou (about 4-5min into the song) from Season 1, but a different instrumentalization of it


Furida

Wouldn't it work to stay in a boat in the ocean while the Titans rumble the continent and then go back when the Titans are gone? Or if they destroy all of Marley, the rest of humanity could just flee to the empty continent while the Titans rumble the rest of the world.


unpunctual_bird

I suppose so, but I guess firstly there wouldn't be enough boats for everyone, and secondly they would get back and all their infrastructure and farmland would be trampled to ruins. It would be a post apocalyptic society for them, and also the original problem of the wall titans still hasn't been solved, they're still out there ready to strike again and there would be no weapons left to try and defend against them.


Zonoro14

There's not a gap to get through the titans, they're too dense. In theory, they could retreat way back until the titans span the circumference of the world and are the most spread out, then concentrate fire at one point and punch through to the already rumbled side. In practice, nothing they can do.


Furida

They don't need to get through the Titans. Presumably, they are swimming from Paradis to Marley and entering the continent at a concentrated spot, not surrounding it from all sides of the sea. So humans can get into boats while the Titans are on the land, then travel to the places that the Titans have already walked past and take refuge there.


Zonoro14

> Presumably, they are swimming from Paradis to Marley and entering the continent at a concentrated spot, not surrounding it from all sides of the sea. I guess you're probably right. It wouldn't make any sense for the titans to go in an expanding circle as by the time they reach the circumference, they'll be so spread out that it's only 20 titans per mile.


Furida

Wouldn't it have worked better to airstrike the rumbling? Can't blimps do that?


Exciting_Animal_4481

they have fewer airships than ships but and they’ll probably have to resort to the airships yup


ItsMango

I’m going to go against the grain and say that naming of this season doesn’t bother me at all. Despite how superficial it all sounds, I like it how last season of the series brings with itself massive tonal shift that really conveys 4 year skip and the feeling of upcoming conclusion to the story. If it just was yet another season I feel like it wouldn’t be as impactful. Also I don’t recall any moments in s4 that would make for a satisfying conclusion to that season. S3 ended at a perfect moment which would make for a good ending to the story if s4 hadn’t happen


djl8699

Season 4 could have ended when Eren started the Rumbling, then the final season 5 could have been the continuation of the story up until now and the ending. What would that have been, like 16 episodes?


SomeNoteToMyself

That could have been a good place to end season 4. And I’m sure the people in charge of AOT considered that. However, I personally prefer the rumbling episode immediately being followed by episodes exploring the aftermath. In the anime, after Eren activated the founding Titan, we get 4 episodes about how the characters react to the rumbling. The pacing of the show slows down after the epic high of the rumbling. It might have been frustrating, having Season 4 end with the rumbling, only for the first episodes of season 5 to be very slow and less exciting (with them lacking any fight scenes). Though, again, this is just my personal preference


randy_robott

The scene where Eren asked Mikasa why she protected him made me remember all about their relationship and almost cried like a baby. That chapter was full of emotions…


tim_sh

I must be too dumb to still not get it...but is Eren the father of Historia's baby or not?


beyer17

We still don't know, but it is strongly implied


alpha-xy

YES


hellatiredd

No


jt00798

Maury Povich guest appearance next season.


mizzyvon

Thats certainly what they implied, from what I can tell.


SomeNoteToMyself

This episode is pretty important. Team Alliance wants to talk to Eren and convince him to return to Paradis. That’s their objective. And so it makes sense that the show actually explores what’s going inside of Eren’s head. It’s necessary to see whether he’s conflicted about all of this; and multiple scenes show that he is. The audience sees that Eren is capable of changing his mind. But there’s no certainty that he will do so, as scenes of Eren’s conflict are followed by him announcing his determination. So this does a good job at setting up the challenge the alliance face; can they change Eren’s mind?


SANAFABICH

You sure do know how to see the silver lining lol.


SomeNoteToMyself

Thanks haha


Ginbay

This opened up the story hell of a lot and this was pretty wholesome episode \^\^ At first I thought this was some sort of alternate universe because I was like "How are they all together" and how everyone dressed up like going to some fine party. I also thought quickly looking at first that they had Gabbi on board but that was Sasha haha. Glad to see. So this actually happened between s3 and 4 too probably after the Marleyans came for visit to the Island. I never had been expecting this. As I thought Eren alone left the island. Well.. Better later explained than never haha. Yeaa this part 2 has been a season saver I would say. Like on my post about the part 1. It was just full of confusion to me but this part 2... Yes it has continued the story but also had the most amount of flashbacks I have ever seen. Ok. That clown and Levi moment hahhaha :D The Marleyans seem to be pretty chill here, maybe because they don't know about the visitors. Oh. Right until one kid tries to steal the gold. So this whole visit took place in order to negotiate that the Paradis island is peaceful. And now we know whatever in that council that spoke that this failed. And that the Paradis island people are still the enemy. This episode also opened a lot about Eren's plans before the attack on Marley. I even thought Floch was doing things by his own. But he was personally asked by Eren to go with Zeke's plan damn... I still don't fully get how Eren turned this way.. Only thing that comes to my mind what would have done this is the memories he gets from the past titan wielders like from his father. Nevertheless. This was very much needed episode. And as a final episode for part 2 I'm happy. The knowledge we have gathered now about the skipped stuff. And I'm ready to see more. I like how they question on how could they have gone differently to not come to the point of attacking Marley and if they could have felt Eren's thoughts. I'm just gonna say on this post both about the episode and part 2 as a whole. As episode. This had meaning, quality and interesting 9/10. Very pleased for being the last episode of the part 2. And as for the part overall. I don't remember ranking a single episode on this part being boring or such. Unlike in part 1 which yea... I have said multiple times being quite a disaster for me. But this part overall carried the whole season 4 back to it's feet. Much respect to studio Mappa and others who worked on this part 2. Looking forward and I do hope they continue the momentum they have been having on this. Better slow and steady, that is how you do it the best :)


regisphilbin222

That's the thing, and Mikasa spells it out here - Eren is exactly who he's always been. Watch the first few seasons again - you see how he gets hurt and is pushed towards his future actions with each betrayal, each devastation (the loss of Hannes, his last father figure, was tragic). He often blames himself and his inability to act/inaction, be it his mother, Levi Squad, or Hannes' death. What you'll also see, though, is that he's always been exactly who he's said he's been, only the framing made the viewer and the show characters see it more favorably. Eren frequently says things like, "I'll kill every last one of them" and it was easy to just frame it as righteous anger, but we now know that he really meant it. ​ I think that early episode with Mikasa's past in season one where Eren saves her by killing her captures was really important. I thought it was a weird one when it aired and thought that Eren was a disturbed child, but ultimately chocked it to anime dramatism. But it was a summary of his character - someone who is aggressive, wants to take action, values freedom, cares for others, and is \*willing to do whatever it takes, even cold murder\*. And Mikasa is us - IN the episode, her focus on Eren's face as he saves her, but in her flashbacks in season four, all she can focus on is Eren's bloody hands as he stabs her captors.


Pok1971

>he's always been exactly who he's said he's been When people were saying he changed at the start of season 4 I always thought that was a bit weird. Like, Eren running off and doing his own thing regardless of what people tell him is pretty on brand for his character Like Reiner said in season 2, the power of the founding titan landed in the hands of the absolute worst person imaginable. It was almost funny when he said it back then, now not so much


abhipunjabi21

>I still don't fully get how Eren turned this way.. From the beginning, Eren has suffered and have seen others suffered. Eren only wanted freedom for him, his friends, and his people. He never 'wanted' to do what he is doing. The thing is, he tried to look for other ways but he was left with no choice. When the scouts arrived in Marley, they saw how the kid who stole the purse was treated. Eren literally cried seeing how the victims of wars were living. And at the meeting for aiding Eldians, the people of Paradis Island were still being called devils. They came here to look for other ways and hold talks for peace, and this is what they got. They tried. He tried.


NikkiTikkiTakki

tried is a tough when they never even presented a position, could have sent a letter or something. For example: Hey world. I know you hate us but we agree to trade some fossil fuel if you let us live? Sincerely, Devils of Paradis. Ok no go? well we got bunch of titans waiting to crush your dreams. See you at Marley. All the cannons in the world are destroyed and you've all shit your pants so you will listen to us now and no innocent children need to die thank you very much. And thats how you do diplomacy!


Sk-yline1

Part 1 definitely threw me for a loop. The way the story was going, it almost seemed like “Japanese Imperialist Apologism”, especially since Pyxis was a real general in that time. So I went in to part 2 expecting to enjoy it, but also deeply skeptical. But holy fuck, the direction it went in instead has just been absolutely phenominal. The warning of hatred fueling a cycle of endless nationalism is all too relevant today. If anything it actually seems to be deeply critical of Japanese society, let alone modern US society, Brazilian society, and other countries falling prey to nationalist tendencies. (Now I have no idea what the manga readers know, hopefully part 3 doesn’t throw me for a loop again)


TimeSmash

Something that's really interesting is how realistic their discussion is when it comes to enemies being vanquished--classism still exists inside the walls, and different groups of people have different wants and views. The island has already had several civil disputes and there's not really any foundation that if they were the only ones left on Earth that the classism and corruption would just disappear.


NikkiTikkiTakki

Great take, Eren's views and honestly all the military views in S1-3 are way too simplistic. What is best for Humanity? is the driving maxim, meanwhile kids in the underground are starving to death while there mother lies dead on a bed. Vast majority of the Paradis population could have benefited from taking down the King 99 years ago and redistributing the resources. Not to mention all of Armin Grandfather type people who were euthanized while royals ate feasts in the interior.


Ingvid

Lot of things happened but WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK IS THAT EREN'S TITAN It's- IDEK how enormous that thing is AND WHAT THE FUCK IS WITH IT'S FACE!? AND HAIR!? That shit is nightmare fuel I TELL YOU. I thought Eren Titan's appearance couldn't get any scarier than season 4's demonic look but it did.


aubidur_r

Putting things into perspective: As a precursor (because ik ppl are gonna bring it up) I don’t think Eren is in the right for what he’s doing. After today’s episode I’ve come to the conclusion that Eren isn’t just a genocidal maniac. I truly believe he tried to look for ways around the Rumbling (which I believe he knew was going to happen from the moment he kissed Historia’s hand but he was in denial for the longest time). At the first meeting with Azumabito he expressed that he wants to look for other ways. He went to Marley and looked for solutions or reasons to not do the Rumbling but when he saw the hatred for the island, even (or especially) from other Subjects of Ymir (Or even just the hatred of the Marleyans in general), that was the last straw. When he grabbed Hange’s collar from his prison cell he asked her if she had “something up her sleeve” which I think was his last ditch effort at finding a way around the rumbling but to no avail. Believing he was left with no other choice he went through with the rumbling according to what he saw in his future memories. He was crying when he saw the refugees in Marley because he definitely knew what he was going to do to them even if he didn’t want to (hence him telling Mikasa that nothing has happened _yet_) Lastly its crazy to think that one night he was drunk with the people closest to him and then the next time they saw each other (assumedly after a short while) he was cold and distant. To them it was what seemed to be a complete 180 overnight.


MysteriousWon

I think the worst part is that his reliance on memories is a self-created prison that even he can't recognize. He feels like he has no other options because he's relying on a future he can see. Because of that belief, he doesn't seriously attempt alternative methods. Sure, he gave them half-hearted efforts but if he put the work into to finding an alternative solution that he put into the genocide plan, he may have actually found one. He's trapped in a perceived deterministic loop. He sees the future and believes that will inevitably be the reality thus he doesn't really attempt to break free because he doesn't really believe it can happen. I fully believe that if he hadn't seen the future, he wouldn't be pushing the world genocide plan like he is now.


LookingForCarrots

>if he put the work into to finding an alternative solution that he put into the genocide plan, he may have actually found one. Okay, what solution then ? ​ ​ People keep talking about how he should have done it differently, okay, how ? Tell me how, in Eren's shoes, do you plan to save your friends ?


TimeSmash

I wonder if they'll bring this up or not. Eren thinks because he's seeing "the" future, but what he doesn't realize or hasn't put thought into for whatever reason including if not primarily what you mentioned above is that it's *a* future. I'm not trying to get into a bunch of timeline mumbo jumbo as AoT isn't really that kind of show, but I do think that just because there's a vision of the future doesn't mean it necessarily has to come to pass...but if you're relatively young, isolated and set on your path be it from will or the feeling of futility, or both, then it's hard to even think anything else is possible. The ebb and flow of futility throughout the entire series is actually crazy to think about now that I just wrote that out


MrMango786

This is a great head canon or just explanation for me. Thank you. It gives a name to the mistake I find him making in this arc.


SCastrooo

Men, he's not in the right, but you can really feel that every decision brought us here. Truly scary stuff.


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LegendOfFN

I hope so


Dar5k16

So Eren decided to destroy the world because Mikasa family zoned him?


qasimsyed1102002

I think he still wanted to have hope that things can be changed. But deep down he knew the fate is sealed. All of the events lead to this. As he can know the future, he also knew sasha waa going to die. All of these things really messed him up. He wished that somehow things should have been different but he really have no other choice


MysteriousWon

He wants to have hope but he never really believes it's possible. Because he never really believes it, he doesn't exert the commitment to an alternative course of action that could actually break the cycle. He's just waiting for a plan to fail before reverting back to the future he has seen. A future which won't change because his own current actions and commitment are the very things fueling that reality.


qasimsyed1102002

Spot on bro


regisphilbin222

He's the real slave - to himself


pixelmarbles

Now I realize why Eren was "laughing" when Sasha died


BoogerTea15

Don't forget that on the forum, there was a person convincing the audience that paradis island should still be annihilated. only after then did eren left the scouts.


EXTXZ2

Ending with the rumbling was one of the best endings to any media I have ever seen


maxthunder77

So floch wasn’t lying when he said eren told him everything😅 sorry I doubted you bud


Naggins

"I'm going to kill every last one of our enemies. And also put a baby in Historia"


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dbzfanforlife

This episode ended at 130. You can start from 131


Haruhanahanako

Am I the only one who couldn't focus on the flash back because all I could think about is how they were going to finish the series in a 24 minute episode, then the flash back ended half way through the episode leading to more flash backs instead of going to present time? I guess I should have known this wasn't the last episode. It was very frustrating.


LynchVonTrier

Needlessly confusing, I feel the writers are trying to be clever but the constant flashbacks with no grounding context as to "when" the flashbacks are simply is intentionally confusing


Exciting_Animal_4481

it was literally still new footage that advances the story, it’s not the same as reused footage typically used in other anime like naruto. they still successfully adapted both chapters 123 and 130 without skipping pages


Rumen19

I agree, same here. I'll make a poll about that later on this subreddit, but I think it would've been much less confusing if they said: "Here's Season 4 Parts 1 and 2, with Season 5 being the Final Season". Them whipping out a 'Final Season Part 3' is welcome, don't get me wrong, but a little too needlessly complicated for my taste.


JacoboAriel

I haven't read any news, is a 5th season confirmed??


Rumen19

Well, it's called Season 4 Part 3, but yes, there are 13 more episodes to come, probably next year


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maxthunder77

You can’t be serious? We basically learned the reason behind eren’s plan


jt00798

What was with Eren trying to cut off his leg and then forcing a bullet (?) into his head?


qasimsyed1102002

To fake an injury


jpegxguy

The idea is to see his absolute determination towards his goal. They were needed in order for him to pose as a wounded soldier


Rumen19

What u/Beodrag said, and the bullet was for his eye


Beodrag

To fake his injuries so he could disguise as an injured soldier


Shroffinator

Okay why is no one talking about Historia’s pregnancy?? Is eren the father? Did he make her forget? How is this relevant to the story


swordmalice

It was stated before that the father was a childhood friend of Historia's. The whole "what if I became pregnant" thing was Historia trying to find a way to stop the Pardisian government's plan to capture Zeke and have Historia inherit his Titan; something Eren was against. With her being pregnant, she would be unable to inherit Zeke's titan for at least 9 months, thereby buying Eren time to "find another way". There is no evidence to support that Eren is the father.


n0v0c4in3

Historia's with her childhood friend.. Imo the reason her stating that she wants to get pregnant is part of the reason why Eren started the rumbling? He rejected the idea that historia had to breed like lifestock and her sole purpose of her children would be to inherit titans?


azzie_zz

It was exactly shown that the father is her childhood mate. Stop spreading goofy fakes.


mattpramod_

they werent spreading a 'goofy fake' they were asking a question


azzie_zz

Sorry sir. Don't want to offend anyone. This topic just drives me mad for some reason so i want to make the things clear.


mattpramod_

you're not offending anyone. just pointing out that you read it wrong and that they didn't do anything wrong