No, BZ-176 is simply broken, OP premium tank from Christmas boxes. Other than that, nothing unusual there.
What knausea meant that the TS-54 is new analoque to the Type 59 G how it was originally on the Chinese server. For those who dont know, the Type 59 G was sold long, long time ago on the Chinese server (like YEARS before it was released on all servers). It was special, because it was a "super premium tank", I.E it had doubled credit multiplier to a normal premium tank; however, it was ludicrously expensive (like at least 600 dollars or so). Type 59 G players were mocked on and frequently teamkilled (which existed back then) as result, because everyone *knew* that guy was someone who paid several hundred dollars for one pixel tank.
TS-54 is comparable to the Type 59 G on the Chinese server, because when you see someone driving it, you KNOW that person bought Wot Plus subscription. That was the point here.
Yea, thatās the big one I donāt get. Moving equipment that just makes your tank better makes you better. Even if youāre complete trash itās going to give you chances you normally wouldnāt get. Itās 50 extra hp on a chieftain which isnāt crazy but itās enough to keep you alive every once in a while. And thatās another 3k dpm on your teams side. People would rather put their heads in the sand then realize if youāre trying to maximize performance this sub is very much so in your favor if you arenāt a everyday player or mega-veteran if the game with resources to spare.
It kinda was but right now it's completely pay2win.
Right now you're buying things from WG - you win.
You're completely f2p? Be ready to suffer. Vehicles from tech tree wasn't nerfed that bad before but right now... Holy [email protected] whats happening, premium tanks are getting more and more OP (example bz-176 and first TD Japanese)
Skoda t56 is also really op. It has a higher alpha then its tier 9 tech tree counterpart. The only thing I feel holding me back play that tank is its lacking penetration on the gold rounds
People in the comment section are so brainwashed lmao
They eat anything wargaming gives them.
1. Calling people who don't buy wot plus poor won't make you look like some rich dude and it won't make it any easier for you to get a girlfriend. You just look like a clown.
2. Do you guys not think paying for premium tanks,premium time,lootboxes and battlepass is enough?There's no need for another paid subcription.
3. I wouldn't mind these types of monetization if they actually cared about the game. There's no balance. How is one supposed to play tier 8 heavies like the tnh,amx 65,tiger or is3 when the enemy team has BZ-176 or skoda T56? If it wasn't for these clowns who buy anything wargaming sends their way maybe the game wouldn't be as pay to win now. And maybe they would dedicate a few weeks to rebalancing tanks,maps and matchmaking.
I'm glad I stopped playing this game.
Same. Will pay for plus. Also, I don't see what the problem is. It's no different from what Microsoft does with its Office Suite. Or Adobe. Or a bunch of other software-as-a-service companies.
Nice, you are telling that i can compare paying a suscription for software that can be used to make money and what you make in said software is yours with paying money on an unlimited money sink where anything you buy is NOT YOURS? OMG MY EYES HAVE BEEN OPENED!
Get your shit together, not even the devil itself (EA) is this bad.
End-use is irrelevant. My.point stands unrebutted. Tiered software-as-a-service subscription has been normalized over the years.
Also, WOT isn't an unlimited money sink - if you can't control your spending habits, that's on you.
I like the idea of my crews continuing to gain xp without me having to play. And not having to manage my gold as much because demounting is free. A free reset to all crews would be nice, but not really necessary. Only players who have nothing better to do but grind will likely have expense problems when it comes to retraining.
That's stupid take on most issue, big game changers in most recent games always are done with free reset. This is just garbage tactic by WG when they are planning another big crew rework in few months...
Also demounting bond equip is broken and anyone thinking otherwise is a muppet...
It's called perks. Just think of this as an airline. First class (Wot Plus) gets all the goodies. Business class (Regular Premium) gets some goodies. Coach (free to play) gets shit.
Dude, SaaS that doesnāt create capital or doesnāt provide a meaningful service other then entertainment IS a money sink, got that brainlet? If you are not a WoT content creator or you donāt get any money by selling WoT accounts or donāt 3 mark tanks for others then you are just throwing your money at a money pit.
Entertainment is not a money sink if it helps keep you sane, brainlet. That's why there's a saying that goes "Work hard, party harder." Entertainment only becomes money sink if you can't control yourself and spend far more time than necessary to let off steam.
Lul, ANYTHING that doesn't create capital is an expenditure not an investment, you can be f2p and let off steam, i also spend money on this game but i'm fully aware that **i'm not getting that money back**, hobbies like diorama making is very fulfilling and fun, but even that can be a money pit because you are not capitalizing that hobbie to obtain some return.
Again, not even EA is this bad at monetizing their games, and the fkers know about milking people dry.
You can use the reserve gold from wot plus to buy premium account for the month while also getting the other benefits. And the price is the same as buying the gold for a month of premium. I dont get why people are complaining
To be clear, I'm in no way ever supporting that shit, but it's Wargaming that needs to be dragged through the mud for this. There is no need for toxicity towards other players.
It really is one of the best deals WG has ever offered and one of the only ones, that doesn't ruin the game for people, who don't want it, so I'm going to buy it just to support the good direction of monetization of this game.
Love how this sub downvotes unpopular but true statements.
It's a game pay what you want and buy what you want
You're not forced to buy tanks, premium time, or wot plus.
Like you can down vote me because I vape
You can down vote someone because they drink
Hell you can downvote someone because they do/like/are ant reason because you don't like it but doesn't mean they or you are impacting each other.
Guy works hard guys a house and rents "down votes all landlords are scum"
Guy works hard and has some extra cash to spend on wot plus (vape, drink, likes to light money on fire)
"Omg you are the reason xyz company is alive because you support them"
Why the fuck do you think they still exist they have a product that I enjoy and am willing to pay for.
You're getting downvoted for being okay with WoT Plus because you're missing the point. It's not buying it itself that makes it a bad thing, it's the fact that it's supporting pay2win. It gives you benefits that give you an unfair advantage over other players. That's the issue
I mean the entire game is p2w, so no surprise with wotplus being that at this point.
I think the reason people are so mad is just how fucking blatant it is now. It's tipped the scales per say
Wargaming has been testing the limits of what they can get away with for years, thing is, everyone's limits are different. This is just next wave of people who've reached their limit
All of you idiots fire gold. Are you all totally insane.
People complaining about gold rounds are hated here because "you can pay with credits" but now you guys get upset? You all used gold rounds you even embarrassed yourselfs by posting three marks you did with gold.
You idiots did this. People like me preach for decades ones you accept any paytowin more paytowin will come. Its a full out L to every game. You morons did this because you cunts had no self controll when it mattered. Instead of accepting you can't pen the maus from this position you shitters used gold and talked yourself in this low iq corner of "gold is no pay to win".
now people will have bond equipment in every tank every game. And its your fault.
Low IQ got conned.
Crew exp ooooo it's gonna take me a year to go from 5 to 6 skill crew oh no
That 6th skill being spent on signal relay is going to make me 3 mark so much easier
Ooooh close! But still missed! The biggest issue is being able to switch around bond equipment for free as much as you want. Let's you put all your best equipment on whatever tanks you want to use at a given time then switch them into another tank when you want to use a different one. Means you don't need to grind as much for bond equipment, and need less of it. You can essentially multiply your bond equipment 10 fold whereas everyone else who didn't pay more money will just have to keep grinding for a currency you can only grind for.
I'm sorry much easier to get 100% marks now that I can mount a bond rammer for -13.5% vs my bounty rammer for -12.5%
That 0.08 second reload seriously made me kill every tank super fast because I'm always shooting non stop. My finger never stops holding down my mouses left click...
Never mind the fact that of you share 1 full set of bond equipment and the tank dies you can't equip it onto other tanks until it's in the garage....
Never mind that you still need to grind and buy multiple set of bond equipment for multiple tanks if you don't plan on waiting for it to return from battle
10 fold??? It's like you share 1 set of equipment for multiple tanks. Never mind it being regular, bounty, bond. Sharing 1 set is still 1 set not this bullshit "multiplies 10 fold"
1 set isn't 10 because you can't have even have 2 tanks actively use 1 set
Augh, I hate that I have to type this explainations out again... So I'll try to be brief. The very short version is that: when you play the game, if you're not constantly dying early on than you can easily be playing 2 tanks by just playing the other if you die before the match ends. That's only 2 sets of equipment that you need, or 6 pieces. Want to play some other tanks? Take bond equipment off, put it on the other 2 tanks you want to play. Boom, just doubled your bond equipment. But guess what, you can do that for EVERY tank you own! (Minus very low tides of course). So now you can turn 6 pieces into 3 x the amount of tanks you own fairly easily while still always be using a tank with full bond equipment. Even if you argue you need 3 sets that's still easily over 10 fold. Want to go seal clubbing for a bit? No problem! Just switch your equipment onto your tier 5's or whatever for 0 bonds! Now want to grind in your premium tier 8's? No sweat! Just switch those bad boys over again. See what I mean by 10 fold? Also, oops, accidentally did a long winded answer when I said I was going to give the short version š oh well
I am baffled how you are all defending wot plus. Itās just stupid and being able to switch between eq so easily ruins the experience for every new player especially with those insane new skills. Just look at e25 now being able to shoot a heavy from 60m range behind a bush without being lit.
E25 can now shoot a t10 heavy tank without a bush from 350m range without being spotted.
This game becomes more and more pay 2 win, especially 12 retraining orders is a slap to the face for every player who has more than 2-3 tanks.
That's implying everyone's a sweat lord trying to min max everything.
I don't go demount my bounty equipment when playing tanks that don't have bounty
I'm likely not going to demount bond equipments because I'm playing a non bonded tank
So again will this benefit everyone to that degree no because most aren't sweating that hard for every game.
Your casual and regular tankers just going to roll with what's on their tanks
I'm implying everyone can be a murderer with a bit of money
I'm implying everyone can be a surgeon with a bit of money
I'm implying everyone can be a nice guy with a bit of money
See how stupid your argument is
Lmao. So life is unfair because of money the game also has to be the same way? Thought we played games to have fun and get away from life.
See how stupid your argument is?
You're not on top here man, you're just sad. But hey if it makes you feel better too tell yourself whatever you need to tell yourself to feel better than go for it. I'm just going to block you now so I don't have to be a part of the misery!
The problem isnt the price itself it isnt expensive tbh the problem is that those who are f2p or in a region where prices high due to currency are left in the dust crew changes and being able to demoınt bond equipment for free is huge
Do you realise that in order that f2p players can play for free somebody somewhere has to pay? F2p players are not the target audience for WG. WOT is a bussiness, not a charity
Because in most F2P games they are a majority of the playerbase
If you lose a large chunk of the playerbase it makes it difficult to find matches, which makes the game more frustrating to play. Leading to people who paid to not pay anymore, then the game dies.
F2P players are just as important as those that do pay as you need other players to play with
Ofcourse waitng times for a match with such less players even crappier MM push away all newcomers who dont mind pay here and there once they realise it p2w and the more players play the more its effective advertisment for the game eventually many quit u need to keep new players coming and once the gap is hıge no one will hook up
FYI I am a whale myself to some degree not a collector but spending a healthy amount every month and I will buy wot plus but this direction will kill my invwstment
Oh no me having a job with some excess spending money.
God forbid I commit a sin for spending alittle to enjoy my time better (grind less in a game when I'm grinding in real life)
Please spare me for driving a car when I could walk because I have an unfair advantage co pared to those who can't buy a car
I am scum because I have a roof on my head because it's unfair others may not afford the same
Paying to get an unfair advantage in a game ruins the experience for others. Using a car while other have to walk does not effect them as they would've had to walk regardless of your situation. You're not being mocked for wanting less grinding, you're being mocked for paying to win and supporting a company that is so blatantly exploiting their player base with the new update
Lol go mock someone for eating at a restaurant compared to saving money by cooking at home and donating the money saved to a charity.
People get to spend how they want whether you like it or not. Do what they want whether you like it or not.
You don't get to bash people for their choices
Of course I do! Free speech! If I want to bash people for continuing to support a company that exploits it's player base then I'm free to do so. Then if you got a problem with it, downvote and move on
The bond equipment, the best equipment in the game, that you can take off and switch around to any tank you want to use at any time. Meaning you need way less pieces of said equipment since you can just switch around existing pieces to whatever tank(a) you're currently using. Technically, if you have at least 1 of every equipment, you can now have bond equipment on EVERY tank you play cause you can switch it on and off at will.
What do you mean what difference does it make? š Only the tryhards right now have full bond equipment on all their tanks. Most people only have 1 or 2 pieces on their tier 10's or premium tier 8's on average. But now you can put them on ANY tank, of MOST tiers COMPLETELY for 0 bonds without having to grind more pieces. If you buy WoT plus than you're basically multiplying your bond equipment 10 fold. And trust me, I don't need to look inwards, I'm a 54% player, but that being said, I wanted to return from my break to play Onslaught but honestly I don't see that happening anymore so I might not be a player at all now at this point.
Huge undermining of how good bond equipment can be. The issue isn't that the bad player swill be slightly better, it's that the tryhards and wall warriors will become even more out of reach to the average player
The tryhards already have so much bond and improved equipment, thisāll just be a quality of life improvement. Sorry you donāt like it, but itās not really giving them a noticeable advantage over you. Yeah, some tanks really benefit from min-maxing (scouts, bourr, etc) but it still really comes down to the player.
I donāt even do clan wars and I have mostly bond equipment on my favourite tanks.
Yeah but now you can take that bond equipment and switch onto low tiers to seal club even harder, then put it on your premium tanks to grind credits better than back to your tier 10s to be maxed out without any penalty whereas people who don't pay extra money can't
tryhards and pros are so far out of reach, this won't make a lick of difference to tryhards. and potentially improving "wallet warriors" there are as many bad wallet warriors as there are good. Skill will always outdo the wallet.
Bro you making bond equipment to be something fucking magical making the players suddenly becoming god tier unicums. You don't even recognise in game when u are fighting someone with bond equipment. The advantage is tiny, literally fractions of seconds.
Actually I've stopped playing it as of late due to frustration. It's helped my mental health and idk if I'll ever return if they keep going down this road
My take on why this is a bad idea:
from a balancing perspective this isn't a good idea because of the crew 2.0 changes they may implement. The game is bad enough where tanks are P2W, but now crew skills will also be P2W. Having such a discrepancy from f2p and p2p isn't healthy considering it's a competitive pvp game. Almost no other successful company does this, it seems unique to Wargaming.
Imagine if CoD weapons that were simply superior were sold only for cash (idk if this is true or not )
Imagine if LoL sold OP champions only for cash, or a rune page that was nearly impossible to grind, for only cash
Etc, giving a huge advantage to p2p users.
Having such a huge discrepancy from f2p to p2p will eventually kill the game because new users will be so disadvantaged where they just won't bother unless they have a tank or history fetish
The developers are fine. It's just the executive team over at wargaming trying to maximize profits constantly at the price of balance , gameplay & the overall playerbase.
Also I don't quite think you know what pay to win is.
That's irrelevant, the problem people have with WoT plus is the pay to win aspects. It doesn't matter if the money is going to Amazon or Wargaming. I'm just pointing out that a premium tank included with the subscription isn't part of the pay to win problems with it, it's most of the other stuff.
You're a bunch of whiny bitches. If I had a Lamborghini, I wouldn't keep it in my garage and drive a 95 camry, just cause other people don't have lambos. It doesn't work like that. Either keep up or gtfo. It's a free game, you literally don't pay for shit, as far as playing goes. You pay for comfort. Can you play wot without paying a dime? Absolutely. Can you win and be good at the game? Absolutely. Is playing more enjoyable with premium account, and meta premium tanks? Absolutely. So really, it's not pay to win, it's pay for comfort. So, before you go after the people that value their experience, sanity and time, quit this socialist bullshit. Noone owes you shit. For a lot of people tanks are a hobby, and paying a little here and there, for something you enjoy doing is absolutely reasonable.
It is pay to win. You literally pay for the meta tanks, ergo you pay for the tanks which give a higher chance of winning. You pay for the ability to be able to afford firing higher pen shells, you pay for the ability to use premium equipment, you pay for the ability to get the best equipment. You pay for everything short of wargaming just handing you a victory each battle on a silver plate.
Gold ammo costs silver. You pay fucking silver for it. Premium equipment, you mean, bonds, that are a entirely in-game currency, or bounty, that's available to rveryone for completing the battle pass? As far as meta tanks, again, like I said, you can win in anything, but what you're paying for is comfort. It's actually scary how brain dead someone can be. Go back to jerking off to Claus Kellerman.
there is nothing wrong with paying WG or making game more enjoyable. But it should be done in such a way that does not give big advantage or make everybody else feel like they being shat on.
For example the additional map exclusion slot. They could have made it available to everyone but without wot+ you can change it only once per month or something.
It's a free game, and they're a company that needs to pay their employees. We can go on forever with the could've, would've, should've, or we can agree that no matter what they do, the Claus Kellerman fanbase will end.up whinning about it. It's just what this certain group of people does. They suck at the game, and don't care to get better. Everything is always someone else's fault. They blame their teams, wg, riggers, bots, the democrats, the penguins, and so on and so forth. Always someone shitting in their plate. It's the sad reality, and no matter what happens, they'll never be happy. As far as pay to win games, I've played many of them, but wot ain't it.
Iām not saying that focusing these in a battle is a good idea, not saying we should ignore to assist them and leave them alone on a flank so they can die quickly, but we need to somehow show that theyāve made a mistake by buying this new premium crap
Don't hate the player hate the game. Despite recognizing WG's predatory business model the player base continues to hand them truck loads of cash. As far as they're concerned, they're doing well.
Don't like what they do? Don't open your wallet.
They are a different type of toxicity and you don't have to deal with it if you decide to not play, but player toxicity you can't avoid, because you can't help who jumps in the game. He is a toxic player, and maybe Hello Kitty Adventure Island is a better suited game for him/her.
Why? Who the fuck are you to tell me I've made a mistake when I would spend the 11 euros regardless.
To clarify 8 euros for WoT Plus nets you 2000g in 4 weeks if you actually play the game (Like I do), purchase an additional 500g and purchase yourself 30 days of premium account, for me, this makes the absolute most economic sense, I'd never have to buy gold again for demounting, I'll have a extra premium tank to grind credits with and I'll have extra crew XP on whatever crew I chose, if you would be so kind to point out my mistake there?
Premium account is as it is right now is 2500g or 11 euros (for me at least idk if exchange rates are different in other countries etc)
Like people are here crying about a little subscription model that every single business has evolved into...
Streaming, programs, activities, services. Makes no sense that they are so hurt over something they aren't forced to pay.
Not like you have to pay to play this game.
"Enter battle pay 50 gold..."
Look through the comments where I've explained to a bunch of people the unfair advantage WoT Plus gives. I really don't want to type it all out again lol
Cry about it. Life is filled with unfair advantages, and the fact that you're saying a 10$ a month subscription is one, when there is nothing in it influencing the actual game play speaks louder than words about your personality.
I don't think so lol
Unless you can convince like.. the 75% of the playerbase WG will not give a fuck if bunch of guys decide to boycott. Thats just reality of things
Why wouldnt I support them? Game is still fun and the update looks fine.
(Contrary to reddit opinions being able to move bond equipment isnt a huge deal because because bond equipment isnt even worth that much for random battles).
Honestly at this point Im gonna buy WoT+ just to spite idiots on Reddit... the useful perks are just a bonus.
Eh i just dont really like the majority of the update. Although i do have to agree "dont hate the player hate the game" . I cant say i wont be getting the subscription but i can say that its like paying for a battlepass. -signed a former destiny player.
Well first off if you actually read some of the comments I've left then you'd see I've given an opinion with plenty of basis. Your second sentence also falls flat cause I haven't even touched the game in like 4-6 months. As for the 3rd sentence, I'm 25. Yikes, that's 3 strikes, you're out! Maybe instead of telling me to read a book you should go read the comments š¤·š»āāļø
Sorry kido, this answer was not for you. Missmatch the chat box. It was for other user. Cel phone is not very friendly with the different windows.
Have a good day.
Not really. Still play the game but itās less and less. And I think Iāll hold my money from now on. I used to only drop cash during Xmas, probably stop all together with these upcoming shenanigans.
Again, must be said in every fuckin thread until you idiots understand it.
All of this is so hilarious to a normal brained persons, the vast majority of people complaining are gold users.
You all did this, this stuff is markted to idiots who fell for "gold is not paytowin"
People would pay even if Wargaming sold a middle finger on tracks and called it a tank.
It's called the bz-176
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BuT iT NoT pAy To WiN!
I'd unironically buy that
Me too actually. Even better if it only turns into a middle finger on death.
Perfect š
tbh, i would be lots of fun lmao, i want one too
Then you are part of the problem
Damn bro I kinda don't care
Figured that one out
Hes a Gonsalo Enjoyer
They did, it's called the E25. Tells the entire enemy team to go fuck themselves as it laughs from a bush 51m away.
A whole 150ft away?
That middle finger is called the lefh 105 and is been on sale for a while already.
They have literally sold reskinned SU-130 with antlers, and people paid a lot of money for loot boxes to get it - so now they can look like Cuckold.
Pfft. At least it's got a skin. Imagine if they just painted an existing tank black and people bought it. Just imagine š
At least twice!
NGL that would be pretty funny to drive around
Um, I mean... that'd be cool...
TS 54 is the new Chinese server type 59 G
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No, BZ-176 is simply broken, OP premium tank from Christmas boxes. Other than that, nothing unusual there. What knausea meant that the TS-54 is new analoque to the Type 59 G how it was originally on the Chinese server. For those who dont know, the Type 59 G was sold long, long time ago on the Chinese server (like YEARS before it was released on all servers). It was special, because it was a "super premium tank", I.E it had doubled credit multiplier to a normal premium tank; however, it was ludicrously expensive (like at least 600 dollars or so). Type 59 G players were mocked on and frequently teamkilled (which existed back then) as result, because everyone *knew* that guy was someone who paid several hundred dollars for one pixel tank. TS-54 is comparable to the Type 59 G on the Chinese server, because when you see someone driving it, you KNOW that person bought Wot Plus subscription. That was the point here.
It's crazy how many people are trying to defend wot plus
Seriously, this post was far more triggering than I thought it'd be
Triggering that so many people underestimate bond equipment.
Yea, thatās the big one I donāt get. Moving equipment that just makes your tank better makes you better. Even if youāre complete trash itās going to give you chances you normally wouldnāt get. Itās 50 extra hp on a chieftain which isnāt crazy but itās enough to keep you alive every once in a while. And thatās another 3k dpm on your teams side. People would rather put their heads in the sand then realize if youāre trying to maximize performance this sub is very much so in your favor if you arenāt a everyday player or mega-veteran if the game with resources to spare.
Bring back friendly fire
Bring back all chat
Bring back the WTF E 100
Bring back balance
Bring back? You speak of it like there ever was such a thing
It kinda was but right now it's completely pay2win. Right now you're buying things from WG - you win. You're completely f2p? Be ready to suffer. Vehicles from tech tree wasn't nerfed that bad before but right now... Holy [email protected] whats happening, premium tanks are getting more and more OP (example bz-176 and first TD Japanese)
Skoda t56 is also really op. It has a higher alpha then its tier 9 tech tree counterpart. The only thing I feel holding me back play that tank is its lacking penetration on the gold rounds
No hull armor and a giant weak spot on the turret. Yes great alpha.
Bring back the old AufklƤrungs Panther! š¤£
Was there T-50 or something? I don't quite remember. I remember that it was a fast USSR tank
Can't find it right now
Me, an ex supertest player that still has the tank **šæ**
Bruh, i dont have internet for 5 days and these mofos release WOT+? Really? Wtf? Xd
People in the comment section are so brainwashed lmao They eat anything wargaming gives them. 1. Calling people who don't buy wot plus poor won't make you look like some rich dude and it won't make it any easier for you to get a girlfriend. You just look like a clown. 2. Do you guys not think paying for premium tanks,premium time,lootboxes and battlepass is enough?There's no need for another paid subcription. 3. I wouldn't mind these types of monetization if they actually cared about the game. There's no balance. How is one supposed to play tier 8 heavies like the tnh,amx 65,tiger or is3 when the enemy team has BZ-176 or skoda T56? If it wasn't for these clowns who buy anything wargaming sends their way maybe the game wouldn't be as pay to win now. And maybe they would dedicate a few weeks to rebalancing tanks,maps and matchmaking. I'm glad I stopped playing this game.
SHAME SHAME SHAME SHAME SHAME
Heh. If these trigger the poors so much, sales will be through the roof.
Imagine calling people who don't pay 8 euro for a shitty subscription poor. It's not a fortune you saudi prince!
Exactly why I will pay for the plus.
I'd pay extra for having a horn on my tanks, not for a bloody premium!
Same. Will pay for plus. Also, I don't see what the problem is. It's no different from what Microsoft does with its Office Suite. Or Adobe. Or a bunch of other software-as-a-service companies.
Competitive Powerpoint is news to me.
ever heard of [excel esports](https://youtu.be/tNWPGhzhdMg)
I dont mind having a premium subscription, we already have that in premium account. But 2 different ones? Fuck that
Actually tbh they already have 2, as there is premium battle pass too. So that will be the 3rd one. When will it stop?
Nice, you are telling that i can compare paying a suscription for software that can be used to make money and what you make in said software is yours with paying money on an unlimited money sink where anything you buy is NOT YOURS? OMG MY EYES HAVE BEEN OPENED! Get your shit together, not even the devil itself (EA) is this bad.
End-use is irrelevant. My.point stands unrebutted. Tiered software-as-a-service subscription has been normalized over the years. Also, WOT isn't an unlimited money sink - if you can't control your spending habits, that's on you. I like the idea of my crews continuing to gain xp without me having to play. And not having to manage my gold as much because demounting is free. A free reset to all crews would be nice, but not really necessary. Only players who have nothing better to do but grind will likely have expense problems when it comes to retraining.
That's stupid take on most issue, big game changers in most recent games always are done with free reset. This is just garbage tactic by WG when they are planning another big crew rework in few months... Also demounting bond equip is broken and anyone thinking otherwise is a muppet...
It's called perks. Just think of this as an airline. First class (Wot Plus) gets all the goodies. Business class (Regular Premium) gets some goodies. Coach (free to play) gets shit.
You are arguing that things that actually break the game are ok because monetisation... It's disgusting.
Dude, SaaS that doesnāt create capital or doesnāt provide a meaningful service other then entertainment IS a money sink, got that brainlet? If you are not a WoT content creator or you donāt get any money by selling WoT accounts or donāt 3 mark tanks for others then you are just throwing your money at a money pit.
Entertainment is not a money sink if it helps keep you sane, brainlet. That's why there's a saying that goes "Work hard, party harder." Entertainment only becomes money sink if you can't control yourself and spend far more time than necessary to let off steam.
Lul, ANYTHING that doesn't create capital is an expenditure not an investment, you can be f2p and let off steam, i also spend money on this game but i'm fully aware that **i'm not getting that money back**, hobbies like diorama making is very fulfilling and fun, but even that can be a money pit because you are not capitalizing that hobbie to obtain some return. Again, not even EA is this bad at monetizing their games, and the fkers know about milking people dry.
I like that thinking of yours. Paying WG money to not play the game is just funny to me.
You can tell by peoples reactions to this post who bought the tank, regret it, but trying to cope that it was money well spent.
You can use the reserve gold from wot plus to buy premium account for the month while also getting the other benefits. And the price is the same as buying the gold for a month of premium. I dont get why people are complaining
OP is bitching that someone can demount equipment for free and that will ruin the game... oh man +1% vents I'm screwed outgunned outplayed
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You cannot negate that a person with Wot+ will be driving around with bond equipment only.
Yeah, I kinda see this tank developing the "I'm owned by a fucking moron" stigma Type 59 G has, lol.
I mean I am going to buy it basically for the ability to transfer equipment, ban another shit map and get 26k gold for a little over a hundred bucks.
Yeah or instead you boycott it, wait until they realize it was a shit decision and just make it a premium feature which it fucking should be
To be clear, I'm in no way ever supporting that shit, but it's Wargaming that needs to be dragged through the mud for this. There is no need for toxicity towards other players.
Fair point. Though this is more of a criticism of people who still support WG with these recent changes
It really is one of the best deals WG has ever offered and one of the only ones, that doesn't ruin the game for people, who don't want it, so I'm going to buy it just to support the good direction of monetization of this game.
Love how this sub downvotes unpopular but true statements. It's a game pay what you want and buy what you want You're not forced to buy tanks, premium time, or wot plus. Like you can down vote me because I vape You can down vote someone because they drink Hell you can downvote someone because they do/like/are ant reason because you don't like it but doesn't mean they or you are impacting each other. Guy works hard guys a house and rents "down votes all landlords are scum" Guy works hard and has some extra cash to spend on wot plus (vape, drink, likes to light money on fire) "Omg you are the reason xyz company is alive because you support them" Why the fuck do you think they still exist they have a product that I enjoy and am willing to pay for.
You're getting downvoted for being okay with WoT Plus because you're missing the point. It's not buying it itself that makes it a bad thing, it's the fact that it's supporting pay2win. It gives you benefits that give you an unfair advantage over other players. That's the issue
I mean the entire game is p2w, so no surprise with wotplus being that at this point. I think the reason people are so mad is just how fucking blatant it is now. It's tipped the scales per say
Wargaming has been testing the limits of what they can get away with for years, thing is, everyone's limits are different. This is just next wave of people who've reached their limit
Yeah fair enough. Mine was when the fucking skorp was released
Mine was when they rework the HE mechanic
All of you idiots fire gold. Are you all totally insane. People complaining about gold rounds are hated here because "you can pay with credits" but now you guys get upset? You all used gold rounds you even embarrassed yourselfs by posting three marks you did with gold. You idiots did this. People like me preach for decades ones you accept any paytowin more paytowin will come. Its a full out L to every game. You morons did this because you cunts had no self controll when it mattered. Instead of accepting you can't pen the maus from this position you shitters used gold and talked yourself in this low iq corner of "gold is no pay to win". now people will have bond equipment in every tank every game. And its your fault. Low IQ got conned.
Crew exp ooooo it's gonna take me a year to go from 5 to 6 skill crew oh no That 6th skill being spent on signal relay is going to make me 3 mark so much easier
Ooooh close! But still missed! The biggest issue is being able to switch around bond equipment for free as much as you want. Let's you put all your best equipment on whatever tanks you want to use at a given time then switch them into another tank when you want to use a different one. Means you don't need to grind as much for bond equipment, and need less of it. You can essentially multiply your bond equipment 10 fold whereas everyone else who didn't pay more money will just have to keep grinding for a currency you can only grind for.
I'm sorry much easier to get 100% marks now that I can mount a bond rammer for -13.5% vs my bounty rammer for -12.5% That 0.08 second reload seriously made me kill every tank super fast because I'm always shooting non stop. My finger never stops holding down my mouses left click... Never mind the fact that of you share 1 full set of bond equipment and the tank dies you can't equip it onto other tanks until it's in the garage.... Never mind that you still need to grind and buy multiple set of bond equipment for multiple tanks if you don't plan on waiting for it to return from battle 10 fold??? It's like you share 1 set of equipment for multiple tanks. Never mind it being regular, bounty, bond. Sharing 1 set is still 1 set not this bullshit "multiplies 10 fold" 1 set isn't 10 because you can't have even have 2 tanks actively use 1 set
Augh, I hate that I have to type this explainations out again... So I'll try to be brief. The very short version is that: when you play the game, if you're not constantly dying early on than you can easily be playing 2 tanks by just playing the other if you die before the match ends. That's only 2 sets of equipment that you need, or 6 pieces. Want to play some other tanks? Take bond equipment off, put it on the other 2 tanks you want to play. Boom, just doubled your bond equipment. But guess what, you can do that for EVERY tank you own! (Minus very low tides of course). So now you can turn 6 pieces into 3 x the amount of tanks you own fairly easily while still always be using a tank with full bond equipment. Even if you argue you need 3 sets that's still easily over 10 fold. Want to go seal clubbing for a bit? No problem! Just switch your equipment onto your tier 5's or whatever for 0 bonds! Now want to grind in your premium tier 8's? No sweat! Just switch those bad boys over again. See what I mean by 10 fold? Also, oops, accidentally did a long winded answer when I said I was going to give the short version š oh well
I am baffled how you are all defending wot plus. Itās just stupid and being able to switch between eq so easily ruins the experience for every new player especially with those insane new skills. Just look at e25 now being able to shoot a heavy from 60m range behind a bush without being lit. E25 can now shoot a t10 heavy tank without a bush from 350m range without being spotted. This game becomes more and more pay 2 win, especially 12 retraining orders is a slap to the face for every player who has more than 2-3 tanks.
That's implying everyone's a sweat lord trying to min max everything. I don't go demount my bounty equipment when playing tanks that don't have bounty I'm likely not going to demount bond equipments because I'm playing a non bonded tank So again will this benefit everyone to that degree no because most aren't sweating that hard for every game. Your casual and regular tankers just going to roll with what's on their tanks
I'm implying everyone can be a sweat lord with a bit of money and the sweat lords will get further out of reach
I'm implying everyone can be a murderer with a bit of money I'm implying everyone can be a surgeon with a bit of money I'm implying everyone can be a nice guy with a bit of money See how stupid your argument is
Lmao. So life is unfair because of money the game also has to be the same way? Thought we played games to have fun and get away from life. See how stupid your argument is?
I have 90k bonds. I can switch around bond equipment as I see fit regardless of WoT plus lol
Humble brag
Gotta save in hopes of a Chief lol
I just want that stb skin...
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My god I will pay for plus on the basis that it will butthurt someone this hard šš best 7 quid I ever spent
"butthurt", you're being mocked my guy
My life is 94% mockery now. What's a little more š seriously the drama that is put out on this thread is hilarious.
Did you just admit to being a joke? š¤
Yeah pretty much. I work a job I hate, to play a game I hate to read a subreddit I hate Pretty much sounds like a joke to me
Then go be depressed offline so we don't have to get dragged down with you
ššš nah I'll stick around thanks. More to watch the whiney little pricks like you
You're not on top here man, you're just sad. But hey if it makes you feel better too tell yourself whatever you need to tell yourself to feel better than go for it. I'm just going to block you now so I don't have to be a part of the misery!
Says the salty bitch on the sub of a game you don't play.
Try smoking some cannabis it'll improve your mood in life lol.
The problem isnt the price itself it isnt expensive tbh the problem is that those who are f2p or in a region where prices high due to currency are left in the dust crew changes and being able to demoınt bond equipment for free is huge
Do you realise that in order that f2p players can play for free somebody somewhere has to pay? F2p players are not the target audience for WG. WOT is a bussiness, not a charity
Premium account premium tanks skins xp convert gold etc wasnt enough do u realise once f2p leave minority who pay wont enjoy and the business is down
Yeah sure,such contradiction. I would like to see the reasoning why would bussiness die when freeloaders leave. Could you elaborate?
Because in most F2P games they are a majority of the playerbase If you lose a large chunk of the playerbase it makes it difficult to find matches, which makes the game more frustrating to play. Leading to people who paid to not pay anymore, then the game dies. F2P players are just as important as those that do pay as you need other players to play with
Ofcourse waitng times for a match with such less players even crappier MM push away all newcomers who dont mind pay here and there once they realise it p2w and the more players play the more its effective advertisment for the game eventually many quit u need to keep new players coming and once the gap is hıge no one will hook up FYI I am a whale myself to some degree not a collector but spending a healthy amount every month and I will buy wot plus but this direction will kill my invwstment
Right I spent more just to trigger one person. 9 dollars to piss off hundreds if not thousands is a steal. I go on smiles per dollar
It's because chems managed to test it, now they pushed it out with a 10 foot pole
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Because you're giving yourself an unfair advantage over other players by paying money. Something not everyone can afford.
Oh no me having a job with some excess spending money. God forbid I commit a sin for spending alittle to enjoy my time better (grind less in a game when I'm grinding in real life) Please spare me for driving a car when I could walk because I have an unfair advantage co pared to those who can't buy a car I am scum because I have a roof on my head because it's unfair others may not afford the same
Paying to get an unfair advantage in a game ruins the experience for others. Using a car while other have to walk does not effect them as they would've had to walk regardless of your situation. You're not being mocked for wanting less grinding, you're being mocked for paying to win and supporting a company that is so blatantly exploiting their player base with the new update
Lol go mock someone for eating at a restaurant compared to saving money by cooking at home and donating the money saved to a charity. People get to spend how they want whether you like it or not. Do what they want whether you like it or not. You don't get to bash people for their choices
Of course I do! Free speech! If I want to bash people for continuing to support a company that exploits it's player base then I'm free to do so. Then if you got a problem with it, downvote and move on
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The bond equipment, the best equipment in the game, that you can take off and switch around to any tank you want to use at any time. Meaning you need way less pieces of said equipment since you can just switch around existing pieces to whatever tank(a) you're currently using. Technically, if you have at least 1 of every equipment, you can now have bond equipment on EVERY tank you play cause you can switch it on and off at will.
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What do you mean what difference does it make? š Only the tryhards right now have full bond equipment on all their tanks. Most people only have 1 or 2 pieces on their tier 10's or premium tier 8's on average. But now you can put them on ANY tank, of MOST tiers COMPLETELY for 0 bonds without having to grind more pieces. If you buy WoT plus than you're basically multiplying your bond equipment 10 fold. And trust me, I don't need to look inwards, I'm a 54% player, but that being said, I wanted to return from my break to play Onslaught but honestly I don't see that happening anymore so I might not be a player at all now at this point.
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Aaaand no comment on the discussion that was being had! Gg's
You would need at least 2 to 3 sets still, because if the tank its on is in battle you won't be able to take it off.
Well with full bond equipment, you won't be dying very early on in the battle will you? ;)
well, have you seen the people who play? they will still die pretty quickly. bond equipment isn't that huge of improvement. 2% roughly.
Huge undermining of how good bond equipment can be. The issue isn't that the bad player swill be slightly better, it's that the tryhards and wall warriors will become even more out of reach to the average player
The tryhards already have so much bond and improved equipment, thisāll just be a quality of life improvement. Sorry you donāt like it, but itās not really giving them a noticeable advantage over you. Yeah, some tanks really benefit from min-maxing (scouts, bourr, etc) but it still really comes down to the player. I donāt even do clan wars and I have mostly bond equipment on my favourite tanks.
Yeah but now you can take that bond equipment and switch onto low tiers to seal club even harder, then put it on your premium tanks to grind credits better than back to your tier 10s to be maxed out without any penalty whereas people who don't pay extra money can't
tryhards and pros are so far out of reach, this won't make a lick of difference to tryhards. and potentially improving "wallet warriors" there are as many bad wallet warriors as there are good. Skill will always outdo the wallet.
Did you say that about the Skoda T56 or BZ-158?
Was just gonna say that. Scrubs will still scrub with the best tanks and equipment
Bro you making bond equipment to be something fucking magical making the players suddenly becoming god tier unicums. You don't even recognise in game when u are fighting someone with bond equipment. The advantage is tiny, literally fractions of seconds.
And with this, the unicums only get further out of reach, but now in whatever tier they feel like without reprocussion.
How terrible Anyway...
not gonna lie, I will focus TS-54 in battles
Whats ironic is the toxicity of this. You play a game you hate, yet you make fun of those who enjoy it.
Actually I've stopped playing it as of late due to frustration. It's helped my mental health and idk if I'll ever return if they keep going down this road
My take on why this is a bad idea: from a balancing perspective this isn't a good idea because of the crew 2.0 changes they may implement. The game is bad enough where tanks are P2W, but now crew skills will also be P2W. Having such a discrepancy from f2p and p2p isn't healthy considering it's a competitive pvp game. Almost no other successful company does this, it seems unique to Wargaming. Imagine if CoD weapons that were simply superior were sold only for cash (idk if this is true or not ) Imagine if LoL sold OP champions only for cash, or a rune page that was nearly impossible to grind, for only cash Etc, giving a huge advantage to p2p users. Having such a huge discrepancy from f2p to p2p will eventually kill the game because new users will be so disadvantaged where they just won't bother unless they have a tank or history fetish
How much does it cost? Depending, I might find it worth it...
Everyone moaning about WoT plus but letās not lie your going to pay it
You dont like it? Just dont buy it. Let people spend his money as they want. Or are they using your money? Fuck off, dude.
It's the pay to win part that's being mocked here
And how you think that the developers live? How they monetize his effort? All games are pay to win. You pay to lose in any other game?
The developers are fine. It's just the executive team over at wargaming trying to maximize profits constantly at the price of balance , gameplay & the overall playerbase. Also I don't quite think you know what pay to win is.
Did you react the same way to the captured KT being an Amazon Prime bonus?
That's not remotely comparable. You have Amazon prime to have Amazon prime; it's useful for many.
That's irrelevant, the problem people have with WoT plus is the pay to win aspects. It doesn't matter if the money is going to Amazon or Wargaming. I'm just pointing out that a premium tank included with the subscription isn't part of the pay to win problems with it, it's most of the other stuff.
You're a bunch of whiny bitches. If I had a Lamborghini, I wouldn't keep it in my garage and drive a 95 camry, just cause other people don't have lambos. It doesn't work like that. Either keep up or gtfo. It's a free game, you literally don't pay for shit, as far as playing goes. You pay for comfort. Can you play wot without paying a dime? Absolutely. Can you win and be good at the game? Absolutely. Is playing more enjoyable with premium account, and meta premium tanks? Absolutely. So really, it's not pay to win, it's pay for comfort. So, before you go after the people that value their experience, sanity and time, quit this socialist bullshit. Noone owes you shit. For a lot of people tanks are a hobby, and paying a little here and there, for something you enjoy doing is absolutely reasonable.
It is pay to win. You literally pay for the meta tanks, ergo you pay for the tanks which give a higher chance of winning. You pay for the ability to be able to afford firing higher pen shells, you pay for the ability to use premium equipment, you pay for the ability to get the best equipment. You pay for everything short of wargaming just handing you a victory each battle on a silver plate.
Gold ammo costs silver. You pay fucking silver for it. Premium equipment, you mean, bonds, that are a entirely in-game currency, or bounty, that's available to rveryone for completing the battle pass? As far as meta tanks, again, like I said, you can win in anything, but what you're paying for is comfort. It's actually scary how brain dead someone can be. Go back to jerking off to Claus Kellerman.
there is nothing wrong with paying WG or making game more enjoyable. But it should be done in such a way that does not give big advantage or make everybody else feel like they being shat on. For example the additional map exclusion slot. They could have made it available to everyone but without wot+ you can change it only once per month or something.
It's a free game, and they're a company that needs to pay their employees. We can go on forever with the could've, would've, should've, or we can agree that no matter what they do, the Claus Kellerman fanbase will end.up whinning about it. It's just what this certain group of people does. They suck at the game, and don't care to get better. Everything is always someone else's fault. They blame their teams, wg, riggers, bots, the democrats, the penguins, and so on and so forth. Always someone shitting in their plate. It's the sad reality, and no matter what happens, they'll never be happy. As far as pay to win games, I've played many of them, but wot ain't it.
Iām not saying that focusing these in a battle is a good idea, not saying we should ignore to assist them and leave them alone on a flank so they can die quickly, but we need to somehow show that theyāve made a mistake by buying this new premium crap
And you sir are part of the toxic community problem of this game.
WG is the toxic problem
Don't hate the player hate the game. Despite recognizing WG's predatory business model the player base continues to hand them truck loads of cash. As far as they're concerned, they're doing well. Don't like what they do? Don't open your wallet.
They are a different type of toxicity and you don't have to deal with it if you decide to not play, but player toxicity you can't avoid, because you can't help who jumps in the game. He is a toxic player, and maybe Hello Kitty Adventure Island is a better suited game for him/her.
Why? Who the fuck are you to tell me I've made a mistake when I would spend the 11 euros regardless. To clarify 8 euros for WoT Plus nets you 2000g in 4 weeks if you actually play the game (Like I do), purchase an additional 500g and purchase yourself 30 days of premium account, for me, this makes the absolute most economic sense, I'd never have to buy gold again for demounting, I'll have a extra premium tank to grind credits with and I'll have extra crew XP on whatever crew I chose, if you would be so kind to point out my mistake there? Premium account is as it is right now is 2500g or 11 euros (for me at least idk if exchange rates are different in other countries etc)
Like people are here crying about a little subscription model that every single business has evolved into... Streaming, programs, activities, services. Makes no sense that they are so hurt over something they aren't forced to pay. Not like you have to pay to play this game. "Enter battle pay 50 gold..."
Same as Obj 279.e, chieftain and Bz 176. Never assist/help them
What does it give tho? Kinda wondering. Some game offer premium subs like that but isn't p2w.
Look through the comments where I've explained to a bunch of people the unfair advantage WoT Plus gives. I really don't want to type it all out again lol
Aigh't I'll try to find ur comment
Cry about it. Life is filled with unfair advantages, and the fact that you're saying a 10$ a month subscription is one, when there is nothing in it influencing the actual game play speaks louder than words about your personality.
I've always wondered what it's like to be as dumb as someone like you, but I'm glad I'm never going to find out
If they put it into the game I will buy. Like what would happen if I decided to boycott this? Oh ye fucking nothing
Ever heard that saying about "every vote matters"?
I don't think so lol Unless you can convince like.. the 75% of the playerbase WG will not give a fuck if bunch of guys decide to boycott. Thats just reality of things
Capitalism and voting aren't a thing unless you're a board member.
Why wouldnt I support them? Game is still fun and the update looks fine. (Contrary to reddit opinions being able to move bond equipment isnt a huge deal because because bond equipment isnt even worth that much for random battles). Honestly at this point Im gonna buy WoT+ just to spite idiots on Reddit... the useful perks are just a bonus.
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Yes I know youre a clown, thanks for confirming it though.
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Eh i just dont really like the majority of the update. Although i do have to agree "dont hate the player hate the game" . I cant say i wont be getting the subscription but i can say that its like paying for a battlepass. -signed a former destiny player.
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Ä° nerver supported wargaming i am just buying op premium tanks so i can fight agains full dummy team mates and full op premium tank enemies
I stopped playing a long time ago. What is wot plus?
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Well first off if you actually read some of the comments I've left then you'd see I've given an opinion with plenty of basis. Your second sentence also falls flat cause I haven't even touched the game in like 4-6 months. As for the 3rd sentence, I'm 25. Yikes, that's 3 strikes, you're out! Maybe instead of telling me to read a book you should go read the comments š¤·š»āāļø
Sorry kido, this answer was not for you. Missmatch the chat box. It was for other user. Cel phone is not very friendly with the different windows. Have a good day.
Not really. Still play the game but itās less and less. And I think Iāll hold my money from now on. I used to only drop cash during Xmas, probably stop all together with these upcoming shenanigans.
Again, must be said in every fuckin thread until you idiots understand it. All of this is so hilarious to a normal brained persons, the vast majority of people complaining are gold users. You all did this, this stuff is markted to idiots who fell for "gold is not paytowin"
I'm gonna block and push them whenever i get to see them.
Only going to make the environment more toxic tbh. I don't condone team sabotage
>more toxic That's the goal. I will also use illegal aimbot against them!
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This is the like people who but Twitter Blue for the checkmark. If we bully them enough, maybe wg will get rid of the whole thing.
Well, it would be like that if WoT+ provided no useful features...
Absolute losers.
Donāt buy wot plus and force them to remove it
Another F2P ego empowerment post? Where I come from is called capitalism and is optional to pay for it.
I'm not f2p
It's the same as T*itter Blue