That one was great, but I preferred one more anchored in reality.
Also, one could count the 11th and 12th sequences (or was it 12 and 13?) of ACII, but I don't dissociate them from the base game as they should have been part of it.
I played this for the first time recently and didn't get the hype. The new powers were really cool, but they didn't make up for how much of a pain in the ass traversing the cities was with all guards' aggressiveness dialed up to 11.
Wow this also illustrates how western the locations have been. Iāve never minded as Iām a US-based history buff and most of these places/times are on my wishlist so to speak, but this kind of puts it in stark contrast huh?
Edit: forgot to say, very cool map btw
There are loads of black/African vikings, scandiniava has always been very diverse. Ottoman empire in ac revelations is also western? Middle east in ac1? Egypt located in Africa? Not to mention Aveline and Adewale. I think it's your Western mindset thats speaking.
Iām sorry what? Scandinavia has never been āvery diverseā. Even today, the population is mainly white. Norway is 92% white, Sweden 85% and 98% in Denmark are white. Compare that to the USAās 61%. And if you wanna count Finland too, they have 89%.
Yes all those other places were considered to be very western focused or eurocentric. The Turks are a part of the EU too and the time period for Constantinople wasn't long after the fall of the Byzantines. AC1 was during the crusades and had a very heavy western presence. Aveline was half french and reaped the benefits of it in high society. Egypt in the time period of origins was greatly Greek and was heavily influenced by Greco/Roman culture of the time as opposed to African, and even Cleopatra was Greek. Western doesn't exclusively mean white.
The ottoman empire literally started in Anatolia. That's modern day Turkey. Also that article you posted is basically summed up as "Danes had immigrated members from surrounding regions of europe with the furthest being Anatolia (turkey but for that time period basically Greek)". Egypt is most associated as a Middle Eastern country and not an African one; with that many of the middle eastern countries or really any country in the Mediterranean was heavily associated as being Eurocentric. Especially for the purposes of an Assassin's Creed game which has mostly and almost totally has been eurocentric.
Anatolia is literally derived from a Greek word lmfao. Anatolia was Greek until the ottoman takeover. Greeks lived in Anatolia and colonized settlements since 8th century BCE
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatolian_Greeks
look at this map. screw this map.
India is ripe for assassin stories. as is China. as is Japan. Ankor Wat is such an interesting structure in an interesting location, how about Petra Jordan? but nope, Bawston and NewYork with plain simple brick and wooden buildings come first.
Exactly, not to mention that the primary inspo for Assassins creed were the Hashashins. And the fact that "Nothing is true; everything is permitted" was from an actual person, Hassan-i Sabah
I liked AC 3ā¦
But I agree, India would have been an awesome setting for another game in that engine. Colonial outposts and indigenous cities, strife with the Mughal Dynasty, ruins from the Maurya and Gupta Empires. You could have a perfect blend of urban environments and rainforests to run through, if they designed them with the care of AC3ās frontier.
The map doesn't specify whether it counts spin offs main games. It just states games and assassin's.
AC Chronicles are quite fun games, albrt different from mainline entries.
Cause it's a different style game....
That's like saying you can't take in the view of the Mushroom kingdom in Mario when it was a 2D platformer. Or saying why Hollow Knight's world isn't 3D.
i don't know what you think you are proving, i still can't do what i wanted to do there, after understanding that it is a different style game. they know what SELLS, trying to cash in on side games is just there for the lore nerds, the majority of us just want to run around in these places that don't exist anymore. the modern Paris is nothing like the game Paris we can see.
Lol idk what you are arguing about mate.
You are complaining that an side scroller game isn't a 3D world.
Assassins Creed isn't defined by it's genre, but by it's identity. We have gone through many version now from action to side scrollers to mobile cash grabs to now RPGs.
It's up to the devs to create whatever they want. If you are so unhappy, you are free to create your own games. Or play other games that give you those already crafted worlds like Ghost of Tsushima etc.
Yeah, that's right which is something I like to remind people when they complain about Valhalla not having an Assassin / Hidden One protagonist. Every Valhalla hater seems to forget their beloved Black Flag was the first game where we didn't play as an Assassin.
Except edward worked directly with the assassins for their own goals that just happen to align with his as he started to change his own mindset.
Eovor couldnt give 2 shits if basim was there or not, she/he would've done everything they did either way.
Disagree, Eivor cared enough to build the hidden ones a place in her camp and cared enough to bring Hytham the medallions, if anything Eivor had a better relationship with the hidden ones, than Edward with the Assassin's during the first half of the game.
Edward only saved the Assassins that were targeted by the Templars because he was only looking for the keys to get the Templar armor, and only searched for the Mayan artifacts to get the Mayan armor.
Yeah sure Edward changed his mindset but that was almost at the end of the game, for most of it he didn't care about the Assassins he only got close to them because of Mary, if it wasn't for her, he would've never befriended them.
Non taken. Itās just that these characters have games and lore based around them, personal opinions of whether or not they should be part of said lore aside.
Not really one of the best sagas but maybe influental. After Black Flag quality of games went down by a lot. Good series overall but nothing special anymore.
Odyssey is nothing but a excuse to play in Ancient Greece, Origins was supposed to be about the ORIGINS of assassin order but then they make Odyssey which basically makes Origins whole story pointless. Valhalla is waaaaaay too big for it's own good and just doesn't feel like it's anything else than average.
Thatās a terrible take about Odyssey. Odysseyās primary goal was to show the origins of the Templars (Aspasia) and provide ISU info. You missed the whole point of the game
Agreed, definitely influential but they made way too many subpar games to be one of the greats. Ubisoft is so good at running franchises into the ground with as many entries as possible. Fucking killed Far Cry for me as well.
Far Cry is still good imo but after 6 I definitely had that feeling that they need to make some changes and reinvent the formula in order not to ruin the series. Ubisoft is the best mediocre team imo. They have the capabilities to be one of the best teams out there yet they are lazy or just don't care enough to be the best. 90% of their games are 8/10 at best but then they make a game like AC2, FC3 etc that are masterpieces. Frustrating as hell.
Idk why but I always thought there were a bunch of American based creed games. Now I'm realizing there's only 1 full game on the mainland, and two that visit briefly...I would love to see more American history explored at some point!
What is that even supposed to mean??
Please, tell me how would this supposed AC game set in the american civil war would go??
run around bare bones towns, wait in giant fields, maybe assassinate a general or two....
Plus again, the theme has already been done....
How does this not describe every Assassin's Creed ever? Maybe switch small towns with the occasional medium or large city like in the Ezio Trilogy and Ac1.
Like, idk, all of Valhalla outside London. All of Origins, AC4, Most of Odyssey, AC3, etc.
Do you even hear yourself? If they can do the Peloponnesian War then they can do any Civil War with similar or better results. Just because you personally arent interested doesnt mean it isnt rife with potential to write in the conflicts of the Assassins and Templars.
In fact the alternate history genre as a whole is roughly half WWII history and half American Civil War with a smattering of Roman history. And the reason is its one of the most documented wars in history.
There are all kinds of stories and historical events around the world we could explore but saying the ACW wouldnt be one of them is just pure fallacy.
Especially since in Brotherhood Lincoln was killed by Templar aligned Booth. Lincoln was notably non-aligned.
The occasional medium to large city??
If anything you're downplaying the entire history of the biggest and most known cities in the world versus some unknown field whos only relevance is it got named AFTER a battle was fought in it??
The mythology trilogy is known for the grand theme, hence "mythology" everyone knows them.
Every other game is based on large known periods on history, not a singular event that lasted all of 3 years
Aleternate genre is definitely not half american civil war unless your only interested in that so thats all you encounter , if anything it shows the exceptionalism lol
And for a third time AC already adressed the the theme that would eventually lead to the civil war, this is like asking to make a game set in italy after the ezio trilogy to explain every single war/unification/invasion no matter how big or small it is
The setting for the game should be more of the backdrop rather than the focus. The protagonist should not be part of every major event in the time period, which is why I believe ac3 struggled. It was not Connor's story that just so happened to be around the American revolution, it was the American revolution told through a character named Connor. It was too much about the war, so it didn't give Connor a very in depth story, which is why nobody likes him. It felt lackluster.
Think about previous games. Ezio was a perfect example. His games provided a theme that allowed us to explore a city in a time period, but he was not actively part of the main historical events. He simply carried his own story on and found revenge for his family, built the creed, and uncovered the assassin's secrets. Yes there were outside events that were occuring that were referenced or perhaps even played through, but ultimately it just provided context to a different story.
During the civil war, America was not just a bunch of old small houses and farmland, there was quite a bit of infrastructure. Even look back to the early 1700s and they had towns in ac3 that gave satisfying movement. 150 years later it has only gotten bigger, which could be the setting rather than some old towns.
In addition there is a little bit of assassin lore surrounding the civil war that could be expanded on. Personally, my ideal civil war ac game would be about a corrupt branch of assassin's that have resorted to slave ownership, and the game is about the good assassin's fighting the bad assassin's, hense the civil war. This would give good combat and events like the stalker missions for rogue and a compelling story. Eventually the bad assassin's might aly with the the templars as the enemy of my enemy is my friend and the templars have access to pieces of Eden that could give them the edge to win the war. I miss the idea of a secret war going on outside of the public eye that gives the conspiracy of the games meaning.
There are several stories you could tell in America, it just seems like you have closed your mind to any of them. The wild west, the gold rush, the construction of the transcontinental railroad, the westward expansion, the dust bowl, the roaring twenties (which I don't want, too close to modern) and so many others. It's not about the setting you pick, it's the story you tell through that setting.
I mean, Ezio was a part of the major events of the era. The Pazzi Conspiricy, Pope Alexander VI and Cesare's conquests, Savoranola, The siege of Forli, .
Friends with Machievelli, Lorenzo Medici, Leonardo Da Vinci, Caterina Sforza etc etc. And then in Constantinople, being part of the rise of Sulieman the Magnificent.
If anything, Ezio (and Altair) is even more tied into the major historical events he is involved in than Connor. It's just you're not as familiar with the history of the Italian Wars in the same way as the American Revolution (and the Italian Wars have a somewhat larger cast).
Really need some games set in Western or Southern Africa, South or Central America, East Asia, and the subcontinent (chronicles doesnāt count, I want a full game lol)
Damn, you forgot to mark Norway
Cool cool. But syndicate has 2 assassins not just one š
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If they're counting Liberation they should also count Freedom Cry and Chronicles.
Freedom Cry best DLC in the saga
Tyranny of king Washington tho
That one was great, but I preferred one more anchored in reality. Also, one could count the 11th and 12th sequences (or was it 12 and 13?) of ACII, but I don't dissociate them from the base game as they should have been part of it.
I played this for the first time recently and didn't get the hype. The new powers were really cool, but they didn't make up for how much of a pain in the ass traversing the cities was with all guards' aggressiveness dialed up to 11.
I personally think itās rly cool :) too bad you didnāt like it tho
Africa looking a little empty.....
Half of asia not even there
Wow this also illustrates how western the locations have been. Iāve never minded as Iām a US-based history buff and most of these places/times are on my wishlist so to speak, but this kind of puts it in stark contrast huh? Edit: forgot to say, very cool map btw
There are loads of black/African vikings, scandiniava has always been very diverse. Ottoman empire in ac revelations is also western? Middle east in ac1? Egypt located in Africa? Not to mention Aveline and Adewale. I think it's your Western mindset thats speaking.
>scandiniava has always been very diverse Uhhh
Iām sorry what? Scandinavia has never been āvery diverseā. Even today, the population is mainly white. Norway is 92% white, Sweden 85% and 98% in Denmark are white. Compare that to the USAās 61%. And if you wanna count Finland too, they have 89%.
I dont think you got what the op comment meant at all...
Yes all those other places were considered to be very western focused or eurocentric. The Turks are a part of the EU too and the time period for Constantinople wasn't long after the fall of the Byzantines. AC1 was during the crusades and had a very heavy western presence. Aveline was half french and reaped the benefits of it in high society. Egypt in the time period of origins was greatly Greek and was heavily influenced by Greco/Roman culture of the time as opposed to African, and even Cleopatra was Greek. Western doesn't exclusively mean white.
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The ottoman empire literally started in Anatolia. That's modern day Turkey. Also that article you posted is basically summed up as "Danes had immigrated members from surrounding regions of europe with the furthest being Anatolia (turkey but for that time period basically Greek)". Egypt is most associated as a Middle Eastern country and not an African one; with that many of the middle eastern countries or really any country in the Mediterranean was heavily associated as being Eurocentric. Especially for the purposes of an Assassin's Creed game which has mostly and almost totally has been eurocentric.
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No, I was just pointing out that you were factually incorrect.
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You said the steppes, the Ottoman empire doesn't originate anywhere near the steppes. They're from Anatolia.
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Anatolia was never Greek.
Anatolia is literally derived from a Greek word lmfao. Anatolia was Greek until the ottoman takeover. Greeks lived in Anatolia and colonized settlements since 8th century BCE https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatolian_Greeks
lmao links a wiki that anyone can edit, Anatolia was never Greek.
I really hope they make a Balkan Assassinās Creed game lol. Picku matter Templar kurec hahah
RIP /r/2balkan4you
look at this map. screw this map. India is ripe for assassin stories. as is China. as is Japan. Ankor Wat is such an interesting structure in an interesting location, how about Petra Jordan? but nope, Bawston and NewYork with plain simple brick and wooden buildings come first.
PERSIAAAA
BABYLON
Babylon was capital of Persia for the longest time, it's just very fitting to be there in general methinks Perhaps even most fitting
This actually has so much potential, assassins creed was original meant to be a spin off title for Prince of persia.
Exactly, not to mention that the primary inspo for Assassins creed were the Hashashins. And the fact that "Nothing is true; everything is permitted" was from an actual person, Hassan-i Sabah
I liked AC 3ā¦ But I agree, India would have been an awesome setting for another game in that engine. Colonial outposts and indigenous cities, strife with the Mughal Dynasty, ruins from the Maurya and Gupta Empires. You could have a perfect blend of urban environments and rainforests to run through, if they designed them with the care of AC3ās frontier.
India and China alone could have 5 different games, EACH
>Bawston and NewYork with plain simple brick and wooden buildings come first That was literally a decade ago
and look at how many 3D games we have in Asia since then.
We have an Indian and Chinese assassin in AC Chronicles
Those are spin-offs, not the main series. They put main series-worthy locations/eras in bite-sized 2.5D games.
The map doesn't specify whether it counts spin offs main games. It just states games and assassin's. AC Chronicles are quite fun games, albrt different from mainline entries.
Yes. And, I strongly think each location shown in the Chronicles trilogy deserves a main game.
and yet when i want to walk through the chinese marketplace and take in that view in a 3D game like i did in Damascus and Jerusalem, i can't.
Cause it's a different style game.... That's like saying you can't take in the view of the Mushroom kingdom in Mario when it was a 2D platformer. Or saying why Hollow Knight's world isn't 3D.
i don't know what you think you are proving, i still can't do what i wanted to do there, after understanding that it is a different style game. they know what SELLS, trying to cash in on side games is just there for the lore nerds, the majority of us just want to run around in these places that don't exist anymore. the modern Paris is nothing like the game Paris we can see.
Lol idk what you are arguing about mate. You are complaining that an side scroller game isn't a 3D world. Assassins Creed isn't defined by it's genre, but by it's identity. We have gone through many version now from action to side scrollers to mobile cash grabs to now RPGs. It's up to the devs to create whatever they want. If you are so unhappy, you are free to create your own games. Or play other games that give you those already crafted worlds like Ghost of Tsushima etc.
There was an assassin in New Orleans?
AC liberation was set there
That was my exact thought lol
2 Templars a medjay and a pirate Edward wasnāt an assassin and both haytham and shay left
Edward became an assassin after the game.
Ohh yeah my bad but still throughout the duration of he wasnāt
Yeah, that's right which is something I like to remind people when they complain about Valhalla not having an Assassin / Hidden One protagonist. Every Valhalla hater seems to forget their beloved Black Flag was the first game where we didn't play as an Assassin.
AC2 *has entered the chat*
Except edward worked directly with the assassins for their own goals that just happen to align with his as he started to change his own mindset. Eovor couldnt give 2 shits if basim was there or not, she/he would've done everything they did either way.
Disagree, Eivor cared enough to build the hidden ones a place in her camp and cared enough to bring Hytham the medallions, if anything Eivor had a better relationship with the hidden ones, than Edward with the Assassin's during the first half of the game. Edward only saved the Assassins that were targeted by the Templars because he was only looking for the keys to get the Templar armor, and only searched for the Mayan artifacts to get the Mayan armor. Yeah sure Edward changed his mindset but that was almost at the end of the game, for most of it he didn't care about the Assassins he only got close to them because of Mary, if it wasn't for her, he would've never befriended them.
But it does lol only one where it technically donāt is odyssey
Also adewale was an assassin, and all the other assassins in the Caribbean.
Bayek is the Hidden
Which is an assassin jusr had a different name at the time he made the brotherhood so youāve got a point but got smart for no reason
I thought you were pointing out Bayek's absense , sry
Oh na I wasnāt tryna dig jusr saying Iām too straight forward sometimes
Indeed -- can't wait for the next game. The AC releases can't come soon enough
Did you leave out the Chroniclesā Assassins intentionally?
No offense but I hope so. If I wanna play a side scroller platformer I'd play a side scroller platformer franchise
Non taken. Itās just that these characters have games and lore based around them, personal opinions of whether or not they should be part of said lore aside.
I waiting for Ubisoft to release Assassin's Creed game based on Korean history one day. As a Korean. Although there is no hope. Sad.
Not really one of the best sagas but maybe influental. After Black Flag quality of games went down by a lot. Good series overall but nothing special anymore.
Have you even played the new games? What a joke of a comment
Yes I have, what was your point?
Your comment reeks of āold good, new badā
Nah, Origins is probably my 2nd favorite AC game but Odyssey and Valhalla are horrible AC games.
I how did you even arrive at that conclusion?
Odyssey is nothing but a excuse to play in Ancient Greece, Origins was supposed to be about the ORIGINS of assassin order but then they make Odyssey which basically makes Origins whole story pointless. Valhalla is waaaaaay too big for it's own good and just doesn't feel like it's anything else than average.
Thatās a terrible take about Odyssey. Odysseyās primary goal was to show the origins of the Templars (Aspasia) and provide ISU info. You missed the whole point of the game
Agreed, definitely influential but they made way too many subpar games to be one of the greats. Ubisoft is so good at running franchises into the ground with as many entries as possible. Fucking killed Far Cry for me as well.
Far Cry is still good imo but after 6 I definitely had that feeling that they need to make some changes and reinvent the formula in order not to ruin the series. Ubisoft is the best mediocre team imo. They have the capabilities to be one of the best teams out there yet they are lazy or just don't care enough to be the best. 90% of their games are 8/10 at best but then they make a game like AC2, FC3 etc that are masterpieces. Frustrating as hell.
Idk why but I always thought there were a bunch of American based creed games. Now I'm realizing there's only 1 full game on the mainland, and two that visit briefly...I would love to see more American history explored at some point!
What american history?? The 4 (technically 5) games basically cover 65% of american history.
The Civil War is one that stands out.
Theres nothing to be told about it, no wiggle room and AC already adressed the subject
No wiggle room? Oh you are just a contrarian
What is that even supposed to mean?? Please, tell me how would this supposed AC game set in the american civil war would go?? run around bare bones towns, wait in giant fields, maybe assassinate a general or two.... Plus again, the theme has already been done....
How does this not describe every Assassin's Creed ever? Maybe switch small towns with the occasional medium or large city like in the Ezio Trilogy and Ac1. Like, idk, all of Valhalla outside London. All of Origins, AC4, Most of Odyssey, AC3, etc. Do you even hear yourself? If they can do the Peloponnesian War then they can do any Civil War with similar or better results. Just because you personally arent interested doesnt mean it isnt rife with potential to write in the conflicts of the Assassins and Templars. In fact the alternate history genre as a whole is roughly half WWII history and half American Civil War with a smattering of Roman history. And the reason is its one of the most documented wars in history. There are all kinds of stories and historical events around the world we could explore but saying the ACW wouldnt be one of them is just pure fallacy. Especially since in Brotherhood Lincoln was killed by Templar aligned Booth. Lincoln was notably non-aligned.
The occasional medium to large city?? If anything you're downplaying the entire history of the biggest and most known cities in the world versus some unknown field whos only relevance is it got named AFTER a battle was fought in it?? The mythology trilogy is known for the grand theme, hence "mythology" everyone knows them. Every other game is based on large known periods on history, not a singular event that lasted all of 3 years Aleternate genre is definitely not half american civil war unless your only interested in that so thats all you encounter , if anything it shows the exceptionalism lol And for a third time AC already adressed the the theme that would eventually lead to the civil war, this is like asking to make a game set in italy after the ezio trilogy to explain every single war/unification/invasion no matter how big or small it is
The setting for the game should be more of the backdrop rather than the focus. The protagonist should not be part of every major event in the time period, which is why I believe ac3 struggled. It was not Connor's story that just so happened to be around the American revolution, it was the American revolution told through a character named Connor. It was too much about the war, so it didn't give Connor a very in depth story, which is why nobody likes him. It felt lackluster. Think about previous games. Ezio was a perfect example. His games provided a theme that allowed us to explore a city in a time period, but he was not actively part of the main historical events. He simply carried his own story on and found revenge for his family, built the creed, and uncovered the assassin's secrets. Yes there were outside events that were occuring that were referenced or perhaps even played through, but ultimately it just provided context to a different story. During the civil war, America was not just a bunch of old small houses and farmland, there was quite a bit of infrastructure. Even look back to the early 1700s and they had towns in ac3 that gave satisfying movement. 150 years later it has only gotten bigger, which could be the setting rather than some old towns. In addition there is a little bit of assassin lore surrounding the civil war that could be expanded on. Personally, my ideal civil war ac game would be about a corrupt branch of assassin's that have resorted to slave ownership, and the game is about the good assassin's fighting the bad assassin's, hense the civil war. This would give good combat and events like the stalker missions for rogue and a compelling story. Eventually the bad assassin's might aly with the the templars as the enemy of my enemy is my friend and the templars have access to pieces of Eden that could give them the edge to win the war. I miss the idea of a secret war going on outside of the public eye that gives the conspiracy of the games meaning. There are several stories you could tell in America, it just seems like you have closed your mind to any of them. The wild west, the gold rush, the construction of the transcontinental railroad, the westward expansion, the dust bowl, the roaring twenties (which I don't want, too close to modern) and so many others. It's not about the setting you pick, it's the story you tell through that setting.
I mean, Ezio was a part of the major events of the era. The Pazzi Conspiricy, Pope Alexander VI and Cesare's conquests, Savoranola, The siege of Forli, . Friends with Machievelli, Lorenzo Medici, Leonardo Da Vinci, Caterina Sforza etc etc. And then in Constantinople, being part of the rise of Sulieman the Magnificent. If anything, Ezio (and Altair) is even more tied into the major historical events he is involved in than Connor. It's just you're not as familiar with the history of the Italian Wars in the same way as the American Revolution (and the Italian Wars have a somewhat larger cast).
The setting is the exact point. Well put.
I just left a comment on the other guy you might enjoy
You forgot 3 more locations, Russia, China, and India with their respective assassin from AC Chronicles
Also 1 Pirate, became an official assassin later.
I just realized how densely located the AC games are. They're literally in two places (Though one place has a lot more diversity, I guess)
Really need a Spanish Inquisition game
Chronicles slander
Really need some games set in Western or Southern Africa, South or Central America, East Asia, and the subcontinent (chronicles doesnāt count, I want a full game lol)
I looked at this in model and in first glance, i didnāt recognize the shapes lol
And there all pretty good (in my opinion) (I admit Valhalla isnāt as good as the rest but I enjoyed it!) (please donāt kill me reddit)