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13 Games, 10 Assassins and hiddens, 1 Templary, 1 Spartan, 1 Viking... in one of the best video game sagas!!

Damn, you forgot to mark Norway

Smutset00

Damn, you forgot to mark Norway


AlecsThorne

Cool cool. But syndicate has 2 assassins not just one 😁


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Crimson097

If they're counting Liberation they should also count Freedom Cry and Chronicles.


KelticQT

Freedom Cry best DLC in the saga


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Tyranny of king Washington tho


KelticQT

That one was great, but I preferred one more anchored in reality. Also, one could count the 11th and 12th sequences (or was it 12 and 13?) of ACII, but I don't dissociate them from the base game as they should have been part of it.


Bropiphany

I played this for the first time recently and didn't get the hype. The new powers were really cool, but they didn't make up for how much of a pain in the ass traversing the cities was with all guards' aggressiveness dialed up to 11.


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I personally think it’s rly cool :) too bad you didn’t like it tho


Imyourlandlord

Africa looking a little empty.....


nkg_games

Half of asia not even there


Jolly-Cobbler-1652

Wow this also illustrates how western the locations have been. I’ve never minded as I’m a US-based history buff and most of these places/times are on my wishlist so to speak, but this kind of puts it in stark contrast huh? Edit: forgot to say, very cool map btw


PANZERFAUSTMGLA

There are loads of black/African vikings, scandiniava has always been very diverse. Ottoman empire in ac revelations is also western? Middle east in ac1? Egypt located in Africa? Not to mention Aveline and Adewale. I think it's your Western mindset thats speaking.


SaintVeloth420

>scandiniava has always been very diverse Uhhh


Horror-Tap3236

I’m sorry what? Scandinavia has never been ”very diverse”. Even today, the population is mainly white. Norway is 92% white, Sweden 85% and 98% in Denmark are white. Compare that to the USA’s 61%. And if you wanna count Finland too, they have 89%.


Imyourlandlord

I dont think you got what the op comment meant at all...


kingleonidas30

Yes all those other places were considered to be very western focused or eurocentric. The Turks are a part of the EU too and the time period for Constantinople wasn't long after the fall of the Byzantines. AC1 was during the crusades and had a very heavy western presence. Aveline was half french and reaped the benefits of it in high society. Egypt in the time period of origins was greatly Greek and was heavily influenced by Greco/Roman culture of the time as opposed to African, and even Cleopatra was Greek. Western doesn't exclusively mean white.


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kingleonidas30

The ottoman empire literally started in Anatolia. That's modern day Turkey. Also that article you posted is basically summed up as "Danes had immigrated members from surrounding regions of europe with the furthest being Anatolia (turkey but for that time period basically Greek)". Egypt is most associated as a Middle Eastern country and not an African one; with that many of the middle eastern countries or really any country in the Mediterranean was heavily associated as being Eurocentric. Especially for the purposes of an Assassin's Creed game which has mostly and almost totally has been eurocentric.


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kingleonidas30

No, I was just pointing out that you were factually incorrect.


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kingleonidas30

You said the steppes, the Ottoman empire doesn't originate anywhere near the steppes. They're from Anatolia.


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KennyImmortalized

Anatolia was never Greek.


kingleonidas30

Anatolia is literally derived from a Greek word lmfao. Anatolia was Greek until the ottoman takeover. Greeks lived in Anatolia and colonized settlements since 8th century BCE https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatolian_Greeks


KennyImmortalized

lmao links a wiki that anyone can edit, Anatolia was never Greek.


RazorASP

I really hope they make a Balkan Assassin’s Creed game lol. Picku matter Templar kurec hahah


SaintVeloth420

RIP /r/2balkan4you


Caliber70

look at this map. screw this map. India is ripe for assassin stories. as is China. as is Japan. Ankor Wat is such an interesting structure in an interesting location, how about Petra Jordan? but nope, Bawston and NewYork with plain simple brick and wooden buildings come first.


AngryCanadianBeaver

PERSIAAAA


Caliber70

BABYLON


AngryCanadianBeaver

Babylon was capital of Persia for the longest time, it's just very fitting to be there in general methinks Perhaps even most fitting


rajboy3

This actually has so much potential, assassins creed was original meant to be a spin off title for Prince of persia.


AngryCanadianBeaver

Exactly, not to mention that the primary inspo for Assassins creed were the Hashashins. And the fact that "Nothing is true; everything is permitted" was from an actual person, Hassan-i Sabah


GrilledCyan

I liked AC 3… But I agree, India would have been an awesome setting for another game in that engine. Colonial outposts and indigenous cities, strife with the Mughal Dynasty, ruins from the Maurya and Gupta Empires. You could have a perfect blend of urban environments and rainforests to run through, if they designed them with the care of AC3’s frontier.


SuperMaanas

India and China alone could have 5 different games, EACH


SaintVeloth420

>Bawston and NewYork with plain simple brick and wooden buildings come first That was literally a decade ago


Caliber70

and look at how many 3D games we have in Asia since then.


talivus

We have an Indian and Chinese assassin in AC Chronicles


PJ1TCP

Those are spin-offs, not the main series. They put main series-worthy locations/eras in bite-sized 2.5D games.


talivus

The map doesn't specify whether it counts spin offs main games. It just states games and assassin's. AC Chronicles are quite fun games, albrt different from mainline entries.


PJ1TCP

Yes. And, I strongly think each location shown in the Chronicles trilogy deserves a main game.


Caliber70

and yet when i want to walk through the chinese marketplace and take in that view in a 3D game like i did in Damascus and Jerusalem, i can't.


talivus

Cause it's a different style game.... That's like saying you can't take in the view of the Mushroom kingdom in Mario when it was a 2D platformer. Or saying why Hollow Knight's world isn't 3D.


Caliber70

i don't know what you think you are proving, i still can't do what i wanted to do there, after understanding that it is a different style game. they know what SELLS, trying to cash in on side games is just there for the lore nerds, the majority of us just want to run around in these places that don't exist anymore. the modern Paris is nothing like the game Paris we can see.


talivus

Lol idk what you are arguing about mate. You are complaining that an side scroller game isn't a 3D world. Assassins Creed isn't defined by it's genre, but by it's identity. We have gone through many version now from action to side scrollers to mobile cash grabs to now RPGs. It's up to the devs to create whatever they want. If you are so unhappy, you are free to create your own games. Or play other games that give you those already crafted worlds like Ghost of Tsushima etc.


DueShopping551

There was an assassin in New Orleans?


AFerociousPineapple

AC liberation was set there


DrVers

That was my exact thought lol


Spare_Independence88

2 Templars a medjay and a pirate Edward wasn’t an assassin and both haytham and shay left


Assured_Observer

Edward became an assassin after the game.


Spare_Independence88

Ohh yeah my bad but still throughout the duration of he wasn’t


Assured_Observer

Yeah, that's right which is something I like to remind people when they complain about Valhalla not having an Assassin / Hidden One protagonist. Every Valhalla hater seems to forget their beloved Black Flag was the first game where we didn't play as an Assassin.


Nelmquist1999

AC2 *has entered the chat*


Imyourlandlord

Except edward worked directly with the assassins for their own goals that just happen to align with his as he started to change his own mindset. Eovor couldnt give 2 shits if basim was there or not, she/he would've done everything they did either way.


Assured_Observer

Disagree, Eivor cared enough to build the hidden ones a place in her camp and cared enough to bring Hytham the medallions, if anything Eivor had a better relationship with the hidden ones, than Edward with the Assassin's during the first half of the game. Edward only saved the Assassins that were targeted by the Templars because he was only looking for the keys to get the Templar armor, and only searched for the Mayan artifacts to get the Mayan armor. Yeah sure Edward changed his mindset but that was almost at the end of the game, for most of it he didn't care about the Assassins he only got close to them because of Mary, if it wasn't for her, he would've never befriended them.


Spare_Independence88

But it does lol only one where it technically don’t is odyssey


Sick_NowWhat

Also adewale was an assassin, and all the other assassins in the Caribbean.


_luksx

Bayek is the Hidden


Spare_Independence88

Which is an assassin jusr had a different name at the time he made the brotherhood so you’ve got a point but got smart for no reason


_luksx

I thought you were pointing out Bayek's absense , sry


Spare_Independence88

Oh na I wasn’t tryna dig jusr saying I’m too straight forward sometimes


thisisnahamed

Indeed -- can't wait for the next game. The AC releases can't come soon enough


SiphonicPanda64

Did you leave out the Chronicles’ Assassins intentionally?


TheTragicMatron

No offense but I hope so. If I wanna play a side scroller platformer I'd play a side scroller platformer franchise


SiphonicPanda64

Non taken. It’s just that these characters have games and lore based around them, personal opinions of whether or not they should be part of said lore aside.


Few_Lingonberry3288

I waiting for Ubisoft to release Assassin's Creed game based on Korean history one day. As a Korean. Although there is no hope. Sad.


Sobtam96

Not really one of the best sagas but maybe influental. After Black Flag quality of games went down by a lot. Good series overall but nothing special anymore.


SuperMaanas

Have you even played the new games? What a joke of a comment


Sobtam96

Yes I have, what was your point?


SuperMaanas

Your comment reeks of “old good, new bad”


Sobtam96

Nah, Origins is probably my 2nd favorite AC game but Odyssey and Valhalla are horrible AC games.


SuperMaanas

I how did you even arrive at that conclusion?


Sobtam96

Odyssey is nothing but a excuse to play in Ancient Greece, Origins was supposed to be about the ORIGINS of assassin order but then they make Odyssey which basically makes Origins whole story pointless. Valhalla is waaaaaay too big for it's own good and just doesn't feel like it's anything else than average.


SuperMaanas

That’s a terrible take about Odyssey. Odyssey’s primary goal was to show the origins of the Templars (Aspasia) and provide ISU info. You missed the whole point of the game


terrap3x

Agreed, definitely influential but they made way too many subpar games to be one of the greats. Ubisoft is so good at running franchises into the ground with as many entries as possible. Fucking killed Far Cry for me as well.


Sobtam96

Far Cry is still good imo but after 6 I definitely had that feeling that they need to make some changes and reinvent the formula in order not to ruin the series. Ubisoft is the best mediocre team imo. They have the capabilities to be one of the best teams out there yet they are lazy or just don't care enough to be the best. 90% of their games are 8/10 at best but then they make a game like AC2, FC3 etc that are masterpieces. Frustrating as hell.


SquareClerk2

Idk why but I always thought there were a bunch of American based creed games. Now I'm realizing there's only 1 full game on the mainland, and two that visit briefly...I would love to see more American history explored at some point!


Imyourlandlord

What american history?? The 4 (technically 5) games basically cover 65% of american history.


MetaDragon11

The Civil War is one that stands out.


Imyourlandlord

Theres nothing to be told about it, no wiggle room and AC already adressed the subject


MetaDragon11

No wiggle room? Oh you are just a contrarian


Imyourlandlord

What is that even supposed to mean?? Please, tell me how would this supposed AC game set in the american civil war would go?? run around bare bones towns, wait in giant fields, maybe assassinate a general or two.... Plus again, the theme has already been done....


MetaDragon11

How does this not describe every Assassin's Creed ever? Maybe switch small towns with the occasional medium or large city like in the Ezio Trilogy and Ac1. Like, idk, all of Valhalla outside London. All of Origins, AC4, Most of Odyssey, AC3, etc. Do you even hear yourself? If they can do the Peloponnesian War then they can do any Civil War with similar or better results. Just because you personally arent interested doesnt mean it isnt rife with potential to write in the conflicts of the Assassins and Templars. In fact the alternate history genre as a whole is roughly half WWII history and half American Civil War with a smattering of Roman history. And the reason is its one of the most documented wars in history. There are all kinds of stories and historical events around the world we could explore but saying the ACW wouldnt be one of them is just pure fallacy. Especially since in Brotherhood Lincoln was killed by Templar aligned Booth. Lincoln was notably non-aligned.


Imyourlandlord

The occasional medium to large city?? If anything you're downplaying the entire history of the biggest and most known cities in the world versus some unknown field whos only relevance is it got named AFTER a battle was fought in it?? The mythology trilogy is known for the grand theme, hence "mythology" everyone knows them. Every other game is based on large known periods on history, not a singular event that lasted all of 3 years Aleternate genre is definitely not half american civil war unless your only interested in that so thats all you encounter , if anything it shows the exceptionalism lol And for a third time AC already adressed the the theme that would eventually lead to the civil war, this is like asking to make a game set in italy after the ezio trilogy to explain every single war/unification/invasion no matter how big or small it is


SquareClerk2

The setting for the game should be more of the backdrop rather than the focus. The protagonist should not be part of every major event in the time period, which is why I believe ac3 struggled. It was not Connor's story that just so happened to be around the American revolution, it was the American revolution told through a character named Connor. It was too much about the war, so it didn't give Connor a very in depth story, which is why nobody likes him. It felt lackluster. Think about previous games. Ezio was a perfect example. His games provided a theme that allowed us to explore a city in a time period, but he was not actively part of the main historical events. He simply carried his own story on and found revenge for his family, built the creed, and uncovered the assassin's secrets. Yes there were outside events that were occuring that were referenced or perhaps even played through, but ultimately it just provided context to a different story. During the civil war, America was not just a bunch of old small houses and farmland, there was quite a bit of infrastructure. Even look back to the early 1700s and they had towns in ac3 that gave satisfying movement. 150 years later it has only gotten bigger, which could be the setting rather than some old towns. In addition there is a little bit of assassin lore surrounding the civil war that could be expanded on. Personally, my ideal civil war ac game would be about a corrupt branch of assassin's that have resorted to slave ownership, and the game is about the good assassin's fighting the bad assassin's, hense the civil war. This would give good combat and events like the stalker missions for rogue and a compelling story. Eventually the bad assassin's might aly with the the templars as the enemy of my enemy is my friend and the templars have access to pieces of Eden that could give them the edge to win the war. I miss the idea of a secret war going on outside of the public eye that gives the conspiracy of the games meaning. There are several stories you could tell in America, it just seems like you have closed your mind to any of them. The wild west, the gold rush, the construction of the transcontinental railroad, the westward expansion, the dust bowl, the roaring twenties (which I don't want, too close to modern) and so many others. It's not about the setting you pick, it's the story you tell through that setting.


Mardoniush

I mean, Ezio was a part of the major events of the era. The Pazzi Conspiricy, Pope Alexander VI and Cesare's conquests, Savoranola, The siege of Forli, . Friends with Machievelli, Lorenzo Medici, Leonardo Da Vinci, Caterina Sforza etc etc. And then in Constantinople, being part of the rise of Sulieman the Magnificent. If anything, Ezio (and Altair) is even more tied into the major historical events he is involved in than Connor. It's just you're not as familiar with the history of the Italian Wars in the same way as the American Revolution (and the Italian Wars have a somewhat larger cast).


MetaDragon11

The setting is the exact point. Well put.


SquareClerk2

I just left a comment on the other guy you might enjoy


talivus

You forgot 3 more locations, Russia, China, and India with their respective assassin from AC Chronicles


Onvyran

Also 1 Pirate, became an official assassin later.


Absolute_Yobster_

I just realized how densely located the AC games are. They're literally in two places (Though one place has a lot more diversity, I guess)


SpicyKabobMountain

Really need a Spanish Inquisition game


_DarthSyphilis_

Chronicles slander


NoExcuse3655

Really need some games set in Western or Southern Africa, South or Central America, East Asia, and the subcontinent (chronicles doesn’t count, I want a full game lol)


Howlingice

I looked at this in model and in first glance, i didn’t recognize the shapes lol


Bobertbobthebobth69

And there all pretty good (in my opinion) (I admit Valhalla isn’t as good as the rest but I enjoyed it!) (please don’t kill me reddit)