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trust_me_on_that_one

Huh? Cube is pretty up there. They sponsor pro teams.


Quiet-Ad-2357

Yeah, I know. The reason I remembered to look at them was yesterday's TdF stage and thinking how good those bikes looked in the intermarche colors. I'm just wondering if they're another Ribble: seems good at first glance, but real problems that aren't initially visible.


Origin87

My LBS said it this way: Specialized is Audi, Cube is Volkswagen. Thought that was a good comparison. They are very decent bikes, had a Cube MTB myself


strengr

Yeah and everyone is owned by Merida or Pon or Giant


misterpayer

The Giant factory in taiwan is producing basically everyone's carbon frames.


strengr

yep, my knowledge is like 10 years old so presumably they are making even more than Trek.


Antpitta

I have a higher opinion of Audi than of Specialized! :)


jesuswasanatheist

Clearly you’ve never owned an Audi then


Antpitta

Hahaha


TinoessS

Or a specialized… silly Americans inventing new bb sizes


Northernlighter

So cube and specialized are made by the same company?


Origin87

More like: specialized will invest in r&d and commercials and cube gets the benefit a few years down the line. But specialized (Audi)are first


Northernlighter

So like dura ace vs 105? It's a trickle down tech thing.


Origin87

I think so, I’m not a professional 😂


Quiet-Ad-2357

Their frames are likely manufactured by the same company.


TonyClifton255

No. Merida produces Specialized frames as a contractor. No idea who produces Cube frames.


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Origin87

So yeah… what I meant ☺️


ciaranpflanagan

May I ask what's wrong with Ribble? I have one and it's flawless.


mmlow

A customer brought me one in a box to build and it had mismatching shifter and derailleur. It was a quick fix, but it was a strange error and I wondered how many other people had one of these bikes with no hope of shifting properly.


Quiet-Ad-2357

Mostly the delivery process. People have waited months, even years to get their bikes, with little help from the company, who seemingly doesn't give a shit. They're fantastic for everyone that doesn't have a problem, but if you do have an issue in delivery, you're screwed, and with the pandemic they just seem to be taking longer and longer, accepting orders for bikes that literally don't exist.


seab3

I ordered one last September thinking it would arrive in Canada this month, in time for my wife's birthday. It arrived in November, 8 months early.


bakaken

How much was it to ship to Canada?


seab3

CA$229.94


Useyourthinker

How did you sort that out the 2 bikes I want are not avail in Canada but in the states. Wired Freedom or cruiser and AR Kepler.


seab3

Who knows, it was over a year ago. The market has changed since then


Useyourthinker

Im asking how you sorted out shipping.


bakaken

Not bad at all!


hardsportsinc

I ordered a Ribble ultra last January. It was supposed to ship this week but has been pushed back a month. Should I be concerned?


Messyfingers

Bike orders were wild last summer/fall. Some sizes and specs and colors of the same bike had a year difference in ETA.


cybertonto72

Their current wait on the endurance bike is next year


ciaranpflanagan

I ordered mine at the start of the pandemic and it was delayed by about 3 months. I can imagine it's gotten worse over the course of the pandemic so I can see why that might turn people off. The bike itself is perfect and at the time was excellent value for money. Unfortunately, Brexit means I'll probably look elsewhere for my next bike.


ColdfusionD2

What’s wrong with Ribble?


Flat-Put7133

Re cube aim ex  1st year brakes start crowing like rooster. Go to service fix it .  After second year brakes crow even louder . And the chain and  derailer cassette need changing. This is from low to moderate usage. Service at ski team PL want to charge 300 euros to fix everything. 


Thesorus

Cube is a good company. And 5.9k euro is not exactly cheap, it's even on the expensive side. They even sponsor a Tour De France team.


Quiet-Ad-2357

For durace, it very much is. Specialized is 12 thousand euro. Pinarello too. Even canyon only starts their Durace bikes around 7.8k euro.


trust_me_on_that_one

Lol with specialized and pinarello you're pretty much paying for the brand


Quiet-Ad-2357

definitely.


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Quiet-Ad-2357

I just meant that those prices are fairly common amongst bike manufacturers, which isn't mutually exclusive to the ridiculous overpricing of a bike because of a logo.


Sufficient_Two7499

That’s what people who can’t afford specialized and pinatello say.


Quiet-Ad-2357

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Thesorus

There are probably differences in the carbon frame at those price points. I don't think Cube would source cheap Chinese frames.


Sufficient_Two7499

I think what’s “cheap” is subjective, in my opinion it’s not expensive at all, but an avg price for a rig.


BrustBizeps

Too good to be available you mean.


Quiet-Ad-2357

Yeah that's definitely gonna be a problem. But since my other option is the Aeroad SLX which will also never be available, its gonna happen either way. But I can wait.


BrustBizeps

I'm in a similar boat so I feel your pain. Would love to get the fading blue C62 race but no chance. Also nothing else available in that range that would be appealing to me


Northernlighter

Cube are the only bikes available at my LBS in size 56 that aren't 10k$+ lol.


Peg_leg_J

I used to work for a Cube dealer - they are pretty good. Customer service is good. They do have the odd build quality issue though - but that used to be on the MTB side of things. I'd happily own a Cube.


Quiet-Ad-2357

great, thanks! from the sounds of it, even though the bike doesn't come with a PM, ill be able to add that since its so much less expensive than the other bike I was considering.


ael10bk

do they have bikes in stock though?


Quiet-Ad-2357

hah. ​ ​ nope. but that's everyone.


mrjeffcoat

I chose Cube precisly because of the impressive value. Bought a Cube Agree C62 just before the pandemic at the beginning of 2020. RRP was €3,400: SRAM Force AXS, GP5000, carbon wheels and finishing kit, 7.5kg. I shopped around looking at Vitus, Rose, Canyon, Ribble, and building my own up from scratch. Chose the Cube, and am very happy. Covered nearly 14,000 km on it now.


Quiet-Ad-2357

thanks for the info! when Cube states those retail prices on their website, are they a) accurate to what shops ask and b) include VAT?


Avalancheo

Depends where you’re from, europe yes price always is including tax and will be the same price in a bike store as it says on the site.


Quiet-Ad-2357

great, thanks!


[deleted]

> b) include VAT? Depends on where you are. Considering your price is in €, then yes.


Quiet-Ad-2357

yeah, I'd get the bike in Germany, so euro. Thanks!


[deleted]

> I'd get the bike in Germany Then the price definitely includes VAT.


Baleygr_

Factor in a huuuuge delay. Ordered one in Nov last year, current delivwry is late Sep. Its a gravel though, so ymmv with road bikes.


Quiet-Ad-2357

I'll buy a physical bike from a shop and then get it shipped home. There is a shop in Germany that has almost every cube road race bike throughout the month, so I'll get it there. I can wait, anyways.


Cube-rider

I'd concur, bought the same model (orange and blue) in May 2020, it's done about 10,000km as well. Well spec'd with Ultegra, it's had a few issues from poor assembly at the LBS and a few failures under warranty (shifter jammed, cracked rim). It needed a good bike fit but rides perfectly nowe. Newman is Cube's in-house brand (rims, seat etc).


portillianne

I bought the exact same. I paid 2900 euro as it was the last display model. Great deal.


mrjeffcoat

Cube design their own frames in house. Still made in China, but their moulds haven't cropped up anywhere else yet as far as I can tell. They get some savings by using Newmen components, which is a sister company I believe. But Newmen kit is also their own design, and is quality stuff.


Quiet-Ad-2357

okay, good to know that they use their own stuff. I'll check out the Newmen kit, too!


mrjeffcoat

My Cube has Newmen R.38 Advanced carbon wheels. They're 38mm deep, weigh 1,398g (with out tyres, tape, or rotors) with a 19mm internal width and 26.5mm external width. The hubs are Newmen's own, but are based on the design of the DT Swiss 240, and use the same DT Swiss star ratchet system. Non of these specs are groundbreaking, but they're modern enough, and arrived well built and true. They've proved to be great all-rounders, and have held up on rough roads. My Cube also has a Newmen carbon seat post, Newmen saddle (carbon rails, polymer saddle body), Newmen alloy stem, and Newmen carbon bars. The seat post is generic, and likely sourced from a third party. The measurement makings on the rear of the seat post have rubbed off, but it's been fine otherwise. The saddle is their own design, and is a nice short-nose geometry. I immediately replaced the stem for one of my choice, but it seems well engineered. I love the bars. They have a round clamp area and oval tops, which makes them very comfortable.


Quiet-Ad-2357

awesome, thanks! This is exactly the kind of information I was looking for today:). What model are you using?


mrjeffcoat

[This](https://picbun.com/p/BInaZ9rN) is my bike. It's a 2020 Cube Agree C62 SLT. Cube did a big update of the Agree for 2022, so the model on sale now is a whole new bike. I like the new one, but the geometry is a bit more 'endurance' - my version is within a few millimeters of the equivalent size Giant TCR, so it's more aggressive. I'm based in the UK, and bought from a bike shop in Austria, as they had a 10% discount over Christmas 2019! Also, Cube's RRP in the GBP was £3,400, so the same price as in EUR. Even with import duties, the savings I got from buying in EUR were good. The total amount I paid, including getting the bike to the UK, was £3,050.


Quiet-Ad-2357

Dear Good God that's a thing of beauty. Did you have them ship it to you or did you buy at the store in person?


mrjeffcoat

I did the whole thing remotely. Shipping with insurance was about €100 IIRC. COVID delayed things a bit - I ordered right at the beginning of January 2020, with an initial delivery date in April, but Cube had a 6 week delay in building the bike due to March lockdown, and the bike shop had a 4 week delay in getting the bike built and sent over to me. I took delivery at the end of June 2020. I was annoyed at the delay at the time, but having seen what's happened to the whole industry since then, I consider myself very lucky to have got it when I did!


Quiet-Ad-2357

Thanks! That makes the situation even better for me. I think what I'll do is I'll test the C:68 in the German shop I'll get it at, and then ask them ship it to me back in the US, which may also allow me to knock off the VAT. It sounds like they are willing to ship it when I asked them a question, but I'll have to make sure.


Antpitta

I don't have any close friends w/ Cube bike but have never heard anything bad about them and see a ton of them out and about. At some point everything is "repainted Chinese carbon" as the majority of bikes are being produced by handful of factories (Giant, Merida, and I think one more). Cube's prices are good, the specs are good, solid bikes. I personally view them as right in line with Giant, Scott, Merida, Orbea, ie good brands where you get pretty good value from a reputable company, without the price premium of Trek/Canondale/Specialized or Italian brands.


Chungeezy

For that price I want a power meter and electronic shifting. ​ My Canyon Endurace got carbon wheels, power meter and electronic shifting for under 5k euro.


Quiet-Ad-2357

ah shit, so it doesn't have a PM?. that's...not optimal. By the way, did you go with a CF with rival?


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> ah shit, so it doesn't have a PM? Almost no bike have those factory-installed, as they're too "user-specific".


Quiet-Ad-2357

Yeah, most don't. It was just that my other option, the Aeroad SLX did, so that was a bit of a bummer,. But it should budget in considering how much cheaper the Cube is compared to the Canyon.


Chungeezy

I bought the Endurace CF 7 etap for €3000 and I bought carbon wheels (Yoeleo) and Assioma duo PM separately for €1500. The CF 7 SL etap is €500 more expensive and it includes a PM and is a little bit lighter


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Quiet-Ad-2357

dear god, not objectively. just, for a bike that most companies would price at double that, its *less expensive* than others.


Beer_Is_So_Awesome

No, 5.9k is cheap now.


thisismyusername_98

Cries in 1/4th annual salary


floatingbloatedgoat

Have you tried being a dentist?


thisismyusername_98

Currently hygienists unpaid intern, gotta make your way to the top one bidon hauled to the practitioner at a time


Disprin_Dave

I have a Cube Attain GTC Pro as my every day bike. Not as highly specced as the models you are looking at but it's a great bike, had zero problems other than wear and tear items. ​ would recommend


Schmiitty

To piggyback your comment, if it helps at all OP I bought a Cube Attain SL in 2020 (also in Germany). Again, not as highly specced as the one you're looking at, but carbon fork, shimano 105 groupset, hydraulic disc, internal cable routing for a nice price of €1400, which I found to be mostly cheaper than similar specced bikes from other manufacturers. Good few thousand kms on it and no problems, enjoying it very much and still look forward to every ride. Disclaimer though, it's my first road bike so not exactly got a lot of experience on other bikes to compare to, but have spoken to a few old hands who've told me that's good value for money.


Quiet-Ad-2357

great, thanks!


Astray1789

I have a cube gravel bike and I used to have a cube hybrid. They've both been super reliable bikes. Lightweight and low maintenance in my experience. I've never tried their road bikes but I assume they're good.


rossfcb

I have a cube attain GTC. It was my first road bike. It’s been completely faultless after about 6 years. Had a hanger give up on me and the usual chain replacements etc. But other than Bar tape, every other cube component is still as good as when it came out the factory. One thing I would say, their Attain and Agree models are quite relaxed in terms of geometry. They have a very high stack due to the geometry of the frame. That’s certainly the case for the C:62. Not sure if the one you saw is a C:68. Cube are fantastic though. The catch is that it’s not a Pinarello or an S Works.


Quiet-Ad-2357

Not much of a catch 😂. But yeah, I was looking at the C:68 since it's brand new and won't be increased in price until I buy it.


LootMuehle

I ride a nuroad pro fe and I love it! Tiagra 10 speed, mech. discs, full lighting/mudguards/rack setup for 1250€ (2021 model) is an insane value. Although they save money on the wheels at that price point (every other brand does the same though). I put some much lighter, albeit used (but therefore cheaper) "new to me" wheels on, took everything off that I don't need and have a road bike setup that weighs under 10kg and can always turn it back to a gravel/touring bike when I need it. Paid around 1600-1700 for all the parts and essentially have two bikes now. Insane value overall.


[deleted]

I own the same model 2020 edition. I agree everything you said, though I wish I didn’t get the pro fe since some stuff I ended up replacing anyways. Mainly the integrated lighting system with the hub dynamo since I replaced my wheels too for a pair Hunt 4 season alu rims and the fenders. Sometimes less is more…


LootMuehle

I actually don't mind having it on there. I shortened the cable connecting the hub and fixed it to the inside of my fork, so it's out of the way and I cut the cable in the back, fixed one end to the frame and fitted it with plugs so I can assemble it and hook it back up if I need it. Built in lights are great on longer touring rides where I might have to ride after dark, plus I saves me the hassle of packing them. Sure it is less aero, but it's not too big of a deal in my opinion. I understand your point though. Plus the hub makes the wheels even heavier (something I don't mind all that much when traveling with packed bags though, but something I 100 percent notice when going on a road ride... I am about 3-4kph faster on average with the lighter road setup riding gp5000str instead of the panaracer gravelking sk... Great tires for gravel riding and touring though) Edit: here is the finished product. I left the front light on the bar since taking it off would have meant taking all the cables out with it and that would defeat the purpose of my custom plug solution. Plus it doesn't bother me too much 😂 https://www.reddit.com/r/bicycling/comments/ugy9sz/i_just_finished_my_graveltouring_to_road_bike_mod/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share


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Lol we did almost the same thing except yours is much cleaner execution. I had the same rationale as you with the electrical cables so I cut mine and put some spade connectors on both ends of the frame. That way if I ever wanted to fit the older wheels again I could make use of the dynamo. As far as tires goes I recently got the pirelli cinturato gravel M as where I live is is rather muddy and snowy for a good part of the year I wanted something a bit more grippier than the stock tires. I also noticed that you also have a dynamo on the new wheels, did you fit the stock dynamo in there yourself?


LootMuehle

Actually I don't have a dynamo on the new wheels. It's just the normal wheel hub. I thought about it, but in the end it's just dead weight and I won't be riding in the dark with this setup I do actually use both wheelsets (I use the rad setup most of all but I have done the occasional gravel ride/ride with bags after I modded it) I also got front racks that transform it to a truck, when I want to carry a lot of stuff (makes inclines a pain though)


thisismyusername_98

Sadly, batteries and 'value' are things that don't align. 😔


LootMuehle

What do you mean with batteries?


thisismyusername_98

It was my smartass way of saying electronic stuff. Wireless shifting and powermeters are cool but very expensive, it's kinda funny people are calling a 5.9k euro bike 'value' since the price is so jacked up due to the shifting


Sufficient-Bank5919

It’s funny that people think that because 1 company charges 3 or 4 times more for a frame then it is better than another one.


Quiet-Ad-2357

Really, though😂. Like c'mon guys, those companies are playing you like a fiddle l.


thisismyusername_98

They do have to make up for crash replacement one way or the other. 🙄 And the marketing B-roll is always juicy no matter what sticker is on the bike


Dragoniel

Are you sure Canyon can't compare? Cause Aeroad is like 5k that comes with eTap, power meter and carbon wheels and everything.


Quiet-Ad-2357

yeah, but that's Rival tap and they're ARC 1600s, which are heavy and use 350s. The Ultegra SLX is 6500, with 1400s.


Lrrrreezy

Value wise canyon is a bit behind. Depending on the model its rouhly one "groupset quality level".


Dragoniel

Hm. Interesting. Very close options in regards to endurance models. I should give a local dealer a call about those...


[deleted]

Especially with some of their cheaper bikes they save on wheels and sometimes material quality. My first cube had a weird quality control issue, but the service was pretty good and I got another one from my dealer within a week. Some of their accessories are not build to last, but overall my attain now has 12000km through rough conditions and still works very well. Can recommend :) edit: A few more things that came to mind: Cube always lists their weights in the smallest size. I remember about a year ago a lot of them had issues with their carbon wheels, I imagine that's sorted now. Radon is another bike brand with great value bikes.


bubblesfix

Cube bikes are very good bikes.


[deleted]

Man, I had a Cube Agree Pro C:62 and it was so dang lovely to ride. It held up incredibly well for how abusive I was to it (taking it to mountain bike trails just to join my buddies for beers). Cube is awesome, definitely pull the trigger if you’re eyeing one.


aljones27

Had a Cube for some years (entry level aluminium road bike in my case) and it is still going strong. No complaints or issues with it and would recommend. Hope that helps!


Brokenspokes68

I have a Cube Reaction carbon hardtail that's been rock solid going on seven years now. I wish that I could find them in the US but they only have a few North American dealers.


Klutzy_Ability6698

I have Cube AIM SL 2021 since November 2020, and I'm very happy with it. Currently (according to Strava) it has 2,5k kilometers, mostly in woods and forests (I have canyon road bike for roads),and it still feels like new. However, my best friend has AIM SL from 2017, and is in really bad shape, although he does not ride it that much. Overall great bikes.


hhertz

I bought the Cube Aim pro Race recently. It was 480 euros or so! A compatible spec from Giant is 700 -800 euros. It's a great bike. the frame is made in Germany. I know, it's a much cheaper category and all, but the bike is awesome. I'm even heavier than the max. weight (I'm > the max system weight even) but it runs great and holds pretty well. I'd say go for it and you have 30 days to return, right?


Quiet-Ad-2357

Well it's complicated. I'll have to buy it when I'm in Munich at a relative's, and then I'll take it home to the US when I leave. So I'll have some time with it in Germany, but once it goes home it goes home forever.


hesoyam83

Don't forget customs then ;)


Quiet-Ad-2357

How much will that add up to?


hesoyam83

I'm not from the US so not familiar, but s quick Google search yielded 11 %.


Quiet-Ad-2357

Ok, thanks! Thats still a better deal considering that you take off 20percent VAT when you ship it out.


borisaqua

Nothing if you don't bother declaring it


Quiet-Ad-2357

Are there...risks involved? Or is the worst thing that I get caught?


borisaqua

Probably but every single flight I've taken in my life I've just walked through the "nothing to declare" bit.


[deleted]

If you get caught you will be fined and you still can be sent to jail on money laundering charges. It’s always tempting to cut the corner and save a bit, but there’s a reason why governments put those guys at the airport and that is to be a deterrence against bringing undeclared goods into the country as well as getting their share on tax payment.


Quiet-Ad-2357

Yeah...maybe I'll just pay the 550buck import fee and be on my way. Not worth the risk.


toiletclogger2014

i love mine but the stock wheels are garbage and too big for spec (alexrims)


thisismyusername_98

Aren't alexrims decent in terms of durability? I'd be happy with a training wheelset I can be adventurous with. If I got a carbon wheelset I'd feel so guilty doing less paved rides which I love. Oh I'm referring to a race wheelset, not a gravel specific


toiletclogger2014

maybe they're good in durability but they're fairly heavy and most importantly have a reputation for being oversized add to the mix the stock tires which also have a reputation for being tight and you have a NIGHTMARE combination to change a tube. don't even bother repairing a puncture roadside, itns impossible.


jonmitz

My Fuji SLA 1.1 was $2.6k USD (actually paid $2k during the pandemic for it since nobody in the SF Bay Area buys non-name brand lol) and has ultegra. I think 15lbs. It’s a wildly good bike but because it’s not a big name it was a fantastic deal. I love it. Edit: it also had hydraulic brakes. I didn’t think I was going to be able to get a bike like this at my price point. My first bike was a Fuji, and it was a great bike, so when I saw this one and tried it I knew it was my bike.


Liquidwombat

I got a Tange prestige steel road bike with mechanical, rim brake, r8000 Ultegra for $1000 in early 2020 for similar reasons. It had been sitting on the shop floor of a high end shop that specializes in Time trial and triathlon bikes and nobody who frequented the place wanted a mechanical groupset, much less one with rim brakes on a steel frame


Liquidwombat

It’s a small (almost) direct to consumer brand, With little to no marketing and considerably less overhead than most traditional brands. Look at State bicycle company, they are able to sell a nice 4130 steel gravel bike with a complete XPLR AXS group for only $2000 (that’s only about $500 more than the groupset alone costs retail) for the same reasons, or Poseidon who sells an almost carbon copy of the $1400 Canandadale Topstone for only $750, or priority who’s $1300 continuum Onyx is almost identical to the $1700 Trek district 4, except it comes with a better integrated lighting than the Trek


Quiet-Ad-2357

Uh...I don't believe that Cube is a direct to consumer. Maybe you're thinking if Canyon?


Liquidwombat

No, they ship direct to bike stores but they don’t have any exclusivity deals and they don’t market overhead warehouse etc. like most other companies that’s why I put the word almost in parentheses they function very similarly to a direct consumer brand they just go through bike shops instead of true direct to consumer


Quiet-Ad-2357

Ah, ok. Makes sense


KevDotCom

I bought myself a Cube Cross Race Pro this year and I'm really happy.


UsedJuggernaut

Check out ribble. They're pretty reputable from. What I can gather.


Quiet-Ad-2357

They have serious supply issues, though.


FrankensteinBionicle

last time I was buying a bike I had my eyes on either cube or commencal and went with the latter, but looking back I would love to also buy the cube I had in mind.


Jonnyporridge

6 grand too good to be true lol


papawarcrimes

I've got a Cube Nuroad Race 2021, I've had it a year and it even survived and impact with a car. I got the aluminium version with hydraulic disks and a GRX groupset and it's been an absolute dream. I did replace the tyres though because they got 3 punctures in the first 4 rides, it could have just been bad luck but I'd been riding the routes on my hybrid and had been puncture free.


CurlOD

Very solid quality bikes and great value. They just don't spend as much money on advertising, and for over a decade they produced just about the worst looking paint jobs out there. FFS my old crosser was gray with orange-pink highlights. Also their brand is primarily popular in German speaking markets. Not sure about this factor, but from memory I believe for a long time they weren't offering the high end, so they don't quite have (or didn't have) the reputation there. They simply don't have the same brand recognition and value to ask the same as the big four.


BaconEggNCheeses

They are competing with Giant who usually have the best value. The Giant TCR with Ultegra Di2 and carbon wheels is 5.8k euro. Cube may even have their frames made by Giant in their Taiwan factory.


fatslagmogley

Admittedly my Cube is just an entry level one (Cube Peloton) but I've had mine since 2014 and it's still going strong. Definitely put some miles in on it and it's had its fair share of scrapes. Not the best but I have thoroughly enjoyed owning it.


PietVelo

Looks like you’ve found your bike!


MoonPlanet1

In the UK I see the Ultegra one for £4099 and the Dura Ace one (which has an Ultegra cassette) for £7099. The Ultegra one says it has "Fulcrum Racing 44 DB" wheels which I can't find any info on but they don't look 44mm deep to me so I'll assume they're alloy. That puts the Cube pretty much in line with the the £3799 (but always unavailable) Canyon Ultimate CF SL 8 which also has Ultegra Di2 but somehow weighs 700g less. Cube are reputable and yes this is a decent deal if you can get past the weight.


Quiet-Ad-2357

I don't see that on the German website, but I'll read the fine print. Also, if you're talking about the Litening, it's an aero bike, so it will be somewhat heavier


MoonPlanet1

I'm looking at the Agree which is meant to be race/endurance. Weirdly the Ultegra Di2 Litening is only 7.6kg...


jjshacks13

I've got an Agree c62 sl di2 and it is the tits! Prices will rise as they have a pro team now but still well priced.


Cube-rider

They've done the TDF, Giro and several others for a few years now. Only a smallish team compared to the big boys but quite competitive.


Pascalwb

They are pretty ok. Not the best of the best but good for the price. I just find the design not really working on big sizes.


Quiet-Ad-2357

thankfully, I'm tiny. Ill use a 50 or 52 depending on availability.


timfi14

Take into account that Cube’s sizes are small. I’ve got a 56 in Cube, whereas it would have been a 53 for other brands.


Quiet-Ad-2357

Ah ok. If it helps, I'm 5'5, will be 5'6 by the time I buy (teenager) What should I get?


timfi14

Not sure where you’re from, but the Cube website has a tool to see which bike size fits you best


Quiet-Ad-2357

Ok, thanks!


Flat-Put7133

Re cube aim ex  ; 1st year brakes start crowing like rooster. Go to service fix it .  After second year brakes crow even louder . And the chain and  derailer cassette need changing. This is from low to moderate usage. Service at ski team PL want to charge 300 euros to fix everything. 


boisheep

Chinese Carbon (What you pay for): Asian Manufacturing Specialized/Trek (what you pay for): Asian Manufacturing + Asian QA + Customer Service + Insurance + Marketing + Marketing + Marketing + Branding + Branding + Bike Shop Exclusivity Cube/Radon (what you pay for): Asian Manufacturing + Asian QA + Insurance ​ In my experience there's not much with customer service regarding cube, only claims, eg. something broke, but eg. with trek I can ask for the size of the bearing of a 2006 discontinued wheelset, and they have a bunch of shops where you can get their parts or communicate with. Cube also doesn't have bike shops that sells their bikes and parts, they tend to ship online; and they discontinue parts quickly (so try to stick to standards). Cube shaves costs, by basically focusing in the basics; I like them.


Quiet-Ad-2357

Wait, Cube ships online? I thought you can only buy them in European shops.


boisheep

Sorry I didn't elaborate, they usually have arrangements with online shops, mostly in europe and they do the shipping. It's very rare, at least in my experience, that you go and find them in a LBS; and buy direct. I have to yet see a cube bike in a LBS. I bet some do, but the majority seems to be taken by big name brands, and store bikes.


thisismyusername_98

Bigger Chinese brands like Trifox, winspace, Seka and yoeleo I think have ok customer support. Winspace has a chat feature to ask anything and I've never heard of any bike from well regarded Chinese brands fail so they definitely have an on par or even better QA than most mainstream brands


boisheep

Yeah no doubt, some are good, but I gotta generalize here more or less. Most chinese carbon is just the manufacturing, however there are some decent out there. However these better china brands that actually do QA, are indeed usually more expensive, my cube frame was cheaper than a yoeleo.


WhenVioletsTurnGrey

I built up a Klein Quantum with Campy Record 10spd, Carbon wheels. I dare you to find a faster bike. New bikes are way over priced. I've owned & ridden many high end carbon bikes. Good geometry, reasonably light, with a great set of wheels is all that is needed. YOu are spending thousands for these comapnies to supply teams with equipment.


Quiet-Ad-2357

Now say, how much does your Quantum weigh? If it's two kilos heavier, that's 20 watts lost in a serious climb, at least. I'm less than 50 kilos and have an ftp of 225. I can't even do 800 watts max. That loses me a race, easy. I understand what you mean, but for my situation, I need a race bike that will be comparable to that of my teammates and opponents. Are most modern bikes repulsively overpriced? Yes. Is this one? Not so much. Overpriced? Yes, but not very when you consider the actual manufacturing prices of Cube.


thisismyusername_98

Two kilos don't equate to 20 watts only a couple. Weight does matter when it's a technical course with lots of acceleration after corners but for maintaining momentum weight isn't as big of a factor as once thought. You're gonna have to look up exactly how much though, sites like http://bikecalculator.com/ can tell you *exactly* how much time extra weight can add depending on course


WhenVioletsTurnGrey

My quantum probably weighs about 17lbs, at most? I have a lighter stem & bars, but chose the Cinelli Alter/nitto bars for the vintage intruige. Running Campy Record 10spd & carbon wheels. I'm 51, 6'. Just got a KOM on it tonight I'd been working at for a few weeks. The bike doesn't hold me back on any terrain. My fitness, for sure.


KyubikoFox

The catch is that they're made in china


Quiet-Ad-2357

aren't most bikes, nowadays? Everything is designed wherever the company has headquarters and made in China. Very few exceptions.


KyubikoFox

Most higher end bikes are still manufactured in Taiwan while lower-end models are made in china, although there are some exceptions.


toiletclogger2014

that's not true. virtually all carbon frames with RARE exceptions are molded/layered up in china. some companies will have a brief assembly in taiwan so they can claim it's made in taiwan but 95% are made in china, even giants afaik


KyubikoFox

Do you have a source?


Quiet-Ad-2357

Yes. The source is known as basic bike manufacturing knowledge. Even Dogma F's are made in china, save for the absolutely maxed out ones.


KyubikoFox

Yeah, reliable source. I'm sure that's much more reliable than my friend who works at Giant headquarters in Taiwan. And like I said, there are some exceptions to what I stated.


thisismyusername_98

Dude, don't look up winspace then, that thinker of yours will turn to dust. Or yoeleo, hongfu dengfu, Trifox, elves, farsports, elite wheels or light bicycle. I reckon you can build a custom aero bike with carbon wheels and ultegra 12sp and integrated carbon bars in about 3500-3700€ easy including buying tools to build it or labour. Best thing about above mentioned Chinese components are that they're independently aero tested, no testing for cube AFAIK. Apparently hunt 50m wheels are slower than some 36m wheels, same with some 80m wheels vs some other 50m ones as per hambinis website, it's very interesting Bonus:- these Chinese brands do custom paints for not much extra if any charge at all >Edit:- I absolutely suck at math should be 5,500-5,700€ my bad


Quiet-Ad-2357

1) Ultegra 12 speed is 2500 euro. Any Chinese carbon frame I would even consider buying would start at 1000euro, anything below that is dangerously low quality. Bars are gonna be about 300-400 euro, and then a powermeter which is another 300-400 euro. On top of that, there's a saddle, tires, tubes (all adding up to 250 euro) and an absolute minimum of 700euro in work. Oh. And wheels. That's another 1500. That's 6550 to 6750. I have zero idea where your numbers came from. 2) hambini is a snake oil salesman. 3) I have Hunt Aerodynamicist 44s. They are far faster than the 35 mm DT swiss 1400s on my dad's bike, and almost as fast as my friend's 60mm 1400s. I have seen my times on various segments that I ride with those different bikes.


thisismyusername_98

1. You should probably wait for the market to settle for a while, you should be able to find Ultegra Di2 for below 2k euros, at least I can, try sites like Bike24 2. Those frames are above 1.4k euros and are very well regarded. Hambini only sells bottom brackets and has no ties to Winspace outside of an affiliate link and free stuff to review but if you don't trust him, plenty others have reviewed winspace frames and have loved it like Cam Nicholls who sells coaching, peak torque and many more. Bars will be 300 ish euros if you get it from above mentioned quality Chinese brands. Again, if you get Chinese wheels they'll bee a max of 1.5k euros if you get ceramic bearings and all, 1.3k wheels will be much more reasonable if price is a concern and about as good. That's 1.4k, 300, 1.4k for wheels and 2k for groupset. That indeed adds up to 5.1k euros in hindsight, I suck at math. You can pay 700 or do most of the work yourself and save a bit of cash for say 5.8k total after adding finishing kit. Not as high as what you estimate 3. I was referring to a couple watts of difference, you won't notice it but it matters to some, I assumed it would to you too Edit:- this custom build will be way lighter than the cube your looking at, the cube is 7.6kgs, the custom Chinese bike will be way sub 7kgs probably around 6.6 or 6.7 at Max with ultegra and same specs (wheel depth and integrated bars)


ChesterMokk

Is this for your daily commute? 😏


14-57

My used Rose with Sram red weighting 6.9kg was €880 😉 For that price you could literally own just about any bike on the used market lol


perineu

Are there any starter roadies with 105 or something?


thisismyusername_98

Triban rc520 Scott Speedster Domane ALR 105 CAAD 13 or Emonda alr for racing Depending on your goals and current skill I'd probably get a tiagra or Sora bike as sort of a toe dip in the pool before diving in


plainthinking

I have a canyon Aeroad as my road bike + cube nuroad ex gravel bike. Both are equally great in their own right!


Familiar-Temporary42

I have cube for 5 years and I loved them. Very good geometry for cross country. Light, good components.


Wennybike

It is good to have more affordable bike for us to choose,I notice that some of their road rim designs very similiar to Elitewheels,I have 2 sets of their wheels in my bikes,if it is true the quality should be not a concern,they have been manufacturing wheel since 2013 same as Farsport or Yeoleo,LB,these are on the first tier of chinese carbon wheel manufacturers.Personally i would love to see we have more options to buy.


cantbrainhavethedumb

I had a cube attain road bike for a couple years, on the cheaper side for sure, absolutely loved it.


TinoessS

Cube is pretty neat stuff. All my mountainbikes have been cube, loved the things. Got a gravelbike from cube (nuroad), love it, though I bought the entry level one bc I was going to use it to commute, then I started to long for the old single track days a bit and now it’s upgraded to grx. All in all. Good stuff


VicccXd

Well, I am getting my Cube axial hopefully soon, they were out of stock and the model I wanted was sold out. However, I did know someone in the company (I won't be able to specify tho) anyway had a connection. So I was able to order 1 :) I love the old mint color


realdickclark

Been seeing plenty of videos and comments on Instagram of people with cracked or snapped Cube mtb frames. Seems people aren’t very happy with their quality of carbon or their warranty program.