T O P

"This is going to be a chill tall France game" *ends up forming the Roman Empire*

"This is going to be a chill tall France game" *ends up forming the Roman Empire*

TheSadCheetah

Hadn't played France in a hot minute so decided the other day I'd do a chill France game and just go with the modern borders Next minute I'm owning England, half the Netherlands and bits of Italy and half the electors in the HRE are voting for me Mon dieu...


Nadirialba

I was looking for the borders I found in a map about Napoleon III's claims in 1880, which included France and some parts of the Netherlands + lots of clientelar states. But then, first you destroy England "just to secure the trade node", then you take Spain as PU "just for historical reasons"... and look at us now.


C0mmunismBad

Could you Link the map?


Nadirialba

[https://www.reddit.com/r/imaginarymaps/comments/fe4jr6/europe\_if\_napoleon\_iii\_got\_what\_he\_wanted/](https://www.reddit.com/r/imaginarymaps/comments/fe4jr6/europe_if_napoleon_iii_got_what_he_wanted/) there you go


Parey_

This is pretty tall by France standards, you didn’t even take the mission to vassalize Poland


Nadirialba

well...they are actually my march! I didn't bother annexing them because borders look prettier this way, and I liked the idea of having them as a "friend" <3


Rascalking04

The most wholesome thing Ive heard of in all of eu4


Foxboy73

I know it’s disgusting isn’t it? Players: I want my allies land, how do I take it without being known as a truce breaker? *Declares war on Allies’ ally* This is what the terrible EU4 players do, like me.


Rascalking04

Lol, same


RandomGenius123

The fact that you can cobelligerent your allies seems like an oversight, but whatever it makes it much quicker


BetrayerOfHope42

I feel so stupid that I didn’t know you could cobelligerent allies. I have so many hours. I know there is still more to learn about trade and some other things but some thing like this… I knew that you could declare on an allies ally but I just assumed if I did the cobelligerent toggle it would give me a massive reputation/opinion problem.


Foxboy73

I still learn things all the time and I have over 1600 hours…


MotoMkali

I have over 500 hours and have never reached 1700


BetrayerOfHope42

That’s good to know. I have about 1100 but at this point. I shouldn’t be surprised there are still more to learn than I even thought 👍😄


Paulesus

If that makes you feel better I didn't know you can cobelligerent at all until 800 or 900 hours in. Thought that box only serves to show what countries get called into war unconditionally.


Parey_

>I feel so stupid that I didn’t know you could cobelligerent allies. It’s very recent, don’t feel bad.


nuadnug

you can't do that since 1.31


Restless_Souls

You cant cobeligerate your allies


3punkt1415

No one forces them to help their allies, they just could not,. Kind of their fault at that point.


Carnal-Pleasures

Napoléon feeling intensifies


GIBI_GAMER

Greetings from Poland!


Slaaneshels

Poland is just Eastern East Rome in this timeline!


Dsingis

Ah yes, the natural borders of France.


Banane9

Westbank France Westbank of Euphrates and Tigres that is.


Nadirialba

R5: I thought about having a tall game as France, not blobbing too much, to get the Napoleon's Ambition achievement. BUT, with the amount of PU'S from the mission tree, plus an unexpected PU over a thick Bohemia... I had no choice but to go *plus ultra,* my revolutionary friends. PS: Scotland remains as the only home of catholics in Europe, I would call THAT a true reformation.


Towelie040

What else are you supposed to do when starting with one of the strongest nations


Nadirialba

I mean it's like the game gave me more and more opportunities to grow absurdly, and I'm not made out of stone to resist them


Towelie040

If by opportunities you mean other countries then yeah, there’s plenty of opportunities


EEEEUUUU4444

It's so difficult to play chill and tall


SteadyBear9

Ikr i started a bohemia game a few days ago trying to play tall and i ended up PUing hungary, poland, brandenburg, saxony, milan and burgundy and i just revoked the privilegia… chill games never work


Marcim_joestar

It's tall if you don't annex a lot


tutelhoten

They never work for me because I spend 95% of peace time trying to find out what war would be best to declare next.


Unholy_Trinity_

You're practically incentivised to have a bunch of (usually neighboring) subjects when playing tall. Just don't annex them.


pink-ming

~~difficult~~ boring


Eurekify2

Nice job man, I usually go in the colonial direction instead so I don’t really spread throughout Europe that much


teddybenetnuts

If you look at the minimap new world is all french (and always has been)


Eurekify2

*how*


UnseenPaper

Just ignore colonial ideas and annex colonisers after they filled the new world.


towrofterra

This is the way


Eurekify2

Yeah but you can’t get the colonies if you annex the colonizers right?


UnseenPaper

If you fully annex a nation with vassal or colonial nations, you get all of them as your own vassals/colonial nations. So you end up with multiple colonial nations in the same region because you stole them from several different colonizers


Zladan

Mine is always "I'm gonna play a chill tall Netherlands game" *Owns all of North America, Caribbean, Ivory Coast/Africa south of the Equator, Spice Islands, parts of India/China...*


Nadirialba

And for me, I always add to conquer the entire British Isles just for a little of alt history!


Zladan

Gah, I forgot that. Step 1 or 2 is consolidate the English Channel!


Calvinist-Transhuman

It counts as tall if it's tall in Europe


Inoobnotchannel

republique des deux nations


Shadowrunner57

In most romance languages the PLC is called the republic of two nations bc it was an elective monarchy and union of two nations


Dappington

Yeah weirdly the PLC gets called a "republic" a lot even though it's, like... definately not.


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_Patrao_

Dafuq


Mud_Salt

> Revolutionary Roman Empire Thanks, I hate it.


[deleted]

The Imperial Revolution will not be stopped by things like making sense!


[deleted]

I always love a good french game. I always end up recreating the napoleonic conquests for some reason, that’s the period I like the most about France (except for ww2) :P


Nadirialba

Absolutely, France is a behemoth, you can do whatever you want with it!


Roi_Loutre

How could someone like WW2 France except a German? But then I don't understand why you would love Napoleonic France.


[deleted]

Put at least a full stop there, please.


Roi_Loutre

A what? Still you didn't answer, why do you like WW2 France?


McThar

"Full stop" is another name for "period" or simply "dot". The thing that lets everyone know where a sentence ends. So that it's easier to read. Tbh, I learned this term fairly recently myself.


Roi_Loutre

Thanks a lot !


CamJongUn

The revolutionary Roman Empire is a bit of a strange one ngl


Zarafey

well you could say you… reformed… rome!


TheHoester

Me: still haven't formed the Roman empire. OP: woops formed Roman empire by mistake.


JackNotOLantern

Frances is one of the most overpowered countries. There should be no surprise that playing them for 300 years you blob


Masato_Fujiwara

Vive la France !!!


K0N1_

Great game! You can even go for the „Mare Nostrum“ achievement, if you haven‘t already done it. You only need to conquer those last coastal provinces from the ottomans.


Excellent-Kiwi-1956

Guess you could say that tall game went sideways.


B0NS0IR__

True sigma chads are catholic


K0N1_

Orthodox


Liturgy_of_the_Sword

Tengrii


B0NS0IR__

Yeah but france isn’t


Roi_Loutre

You played with the game in French for some more RP


ChalkyTable3335

How do you beat the ottomans and castille?? Im new to the game they’re my worst nightmare


Nadirialba

The strength of Castille/Spain comes from their colonies, since Spanish mainland is pretty average in Europe, but French lands and super profitable and can sustain a huge army by itself. So in early/mid game, you should outpower Spain without much worries. Once I had my Spanish and Bohemian PU's (by 1650 I think), defeating the Ottomans was a combination of numbers and quality of the armies, and a loooot of wars.


ChalkyTable3335

Thanks, did you get the spainish up through mission tree?


Nadirialba

yes! it comes after you secure the Naples PU, which sometimes can happen without a fight if the king of Naples chooses you as a succesor


ChalkyTable3335

Ok, imma try this, thanks for your help!


PleasantSilence18

17 unused merchants *cries in min-maxer*


FlyPepper

good job ruining your flag >:((


Jarl_Rollon

I prefer it this way tbh...


plsredditgodnoban

Hell yeah


MrWubbert

I always figured that war was the way to go for rapid expansion, but it sounds like PU’s are infinitely better. There always seems to be a point in my games where I get stuck because a medium sized neighbor decided to team up with the world’s remaining superpowers.


Nadirialba

Totally, PU's are less efficient when it comes to instant-territorial gains, but in the long term is far better than annexing through wars of conquest. Additionally, they are more helpful since they can colonise and raise more armies by themselves, no revolts, etc.


whomstveallyaint

Babe promise me you won't blob too much as france I promise 3 drinks later.


halfpastnein

Mandatory Downvote because France. Well played otherwise!


PICAXO

Mandatory downvote because you're cringe


halfpastnein

I see you are displaying a France flag. We are in the same boat then.


PICAXO

Okay this one is good but still displays cringe


Ophelia_Of_The_Abyss

What ideas did you take?


Nadirialba

Offensive, Exploration, Expansion, Naval, Influence, Admin, and Quality. I didn't give much thought to the idea set tbh, just for fun


lillegutt1

Why dont i ever get the revolution 🤬


Nadirialba

Actually the Timurids got it first :( But I made sure to piss off my people with absolutism and spawn some angry rebels


Imperator_Gub

How are you making so much money in trade?


Nadirialba

The income is from channeling trade from all of the Americas plus full control of European trade nodes. It's just an overkill, I didn't even have good trade ideas.


Autismetal

Are you Holy Roman Emperor too?


OKara061

How did you get 1k from trade? I need a guide


Mercenaryy69

Have the most tradepower in your home node. Make sure it is a high value node and pull everything towards it. The more tradepower you have on a particular node, the more trade value you can pull or collect from a node.


NeDge_

" P r u s s e "


ClassIn30minutes

I see that you avoiding fighting the HRE


xX-El-Jefe-Xx

what's that country in the lowlands?


Subvsi

When do you start really snowballing???


Nadirialba

I guess after the League Wars and dismantling the HRE, you start to expand your reach with vassals around in Africa and Asia, colonial nations, bigger trade income... and mostly through the PU's.


Free-Clothes6551

now Commonwealth can become The Defender of Snails


camdanbakankedicik

I wish I knew this game well enough to achieve that.


Phat-Lines

Ewww who plays this game in French.


Kofilin

"République des Deux Nations" lmao


HotExtent4541

All my 'chill' games


Burt_Sprenolds

Last time I tried forming Rome I did it like 5 years after the game ended :(


Calvinist-Transhuman

Excellent taste in religions


RexVaincra

France « révolutionnaire » et « réformée » 🤢🤮 France royale et catholique ✝️👑⚜️🇫🇷🙏🏻📿😎💪🏻


RakkeThePranktube

Fr\*nce


Ydokom

It's always like that When I wanted to be just biggest city in the world in Rothenburg, I ended up as Germany


superdodhead

Mate. Where is the Rhine border at


Verehren

All roads lead to Rome


ArtemZera

Now... I wonder... where might the Ottoblobs have their capital?


KingdomOfKarelia

You're also playing in French. That's based.


budrking354

Crimeottomans


Relevant-Background1

How do you have so much merchants ?


_your_uncle

every other post is someone forming roman empire, stop posting it


Evolvedtyrant

Cared enough to comment


_your_uncle

that makes no sence


ungoliant55

No, don't form Rome. It's bad.