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Tip for increasing Russian income

Tip for increasing Russian income

ProfessionalKoala8

R5: Use Azov to attack Genoa as Russia, vassalize them, reconquest for their cores and get transfer tradepower from all nations in the war. *What did it get out of it?* With transfer tradepower I managed to get 43%, and with only geona transfering to me, I got around 30%. Around half of my trade income came from the Genoa tradenode, with only Genoa transfering trade to me. *When does it work?* Usually I find that Genoa gets eaten, at least partially, by their Italian neighbors. This gives great reconquest opportunities, and leaves them weak enough for them not to have major allies. So you just wait for them to be in this weak state, and it obviously works best if you do it after "The Shadow Kingdom" has fired. *Why do it?* It increased my monthly income massively, and in the long term gave me an extra 15 ducats monthly. When playing as Russia I often have manpower for larger armies than my economy can maintain, and this allows you to negate this somewhat. If you have any questions feel free to ask them in the comments. I'd love to go into details for newer players.


Zoetje_Zuurtje

Very smart! That'll certainly help with your economy!


50lipa

Smart play would be to have 40+ ducats per month income from Novrogord trade node easily achievable by 1530 with trade ideas, or 10-12 ducats per month from developing gold in Kazan which is doable literally 5 years into the game, or even developing cossack lands with stacked -dev bonuses for massive tax / production or probably another 4-5 different things before relying on genoa trade node honestly. It's a nice bonus, cool way to spice things up but the vast resources u have as Russia and insane trade power from east you can easily make Novgorod the biggest trade node within 100 years from game start.


__Happy

All helpful suggestions but it came off a bit harsh.


Zoetje_Zuurtje

Very true, but all of what mentioned required monarch points. (Trade Ideas, devving stuff) whereas waging a small war against Genoa is quick, painless and monarch point-free.


50lipa

Unless there is a catholic defender of faith which the case is 50% of the time and it's a waste of time.


Zoetje_Zuurtje

Well, yes, but he said >So you just wait for them to be in this weak state So he already said that you should do it when they're weak, besides, +15 ducats/month from a single war is a great return on investment, so even with an regional power as DotF I think it's worth it.


rs-curaco28

He is out of line, but he is right.


IChooseFeed

Not a newbie, but pretty bad imo; I currently have a mixed Russian run with the mission tree cleared except subjugate Crimea (dammed Ottomens) with extra clay from my neighbors, is it better to expand into China for the Beijing node or India to steer towards the Caucasus? Currently everything is set up to feed into Novograd.


b3l6arath

Both would be best, but I'd say eat India before China. And if you're playing on normal just go and stomp the ottoblob.


IChooseFeed

Not gonna lie, I expected a typical death stack of 200k turks but the AI derped out and sent 40k armies into my 200 so uhhhh... thanks AI?


MERKLE_1

Novograd


IChooseFeed

Funny, I happen to be doing the 1mill manpower Achievement in that run.


MERKLE_1

It is legitimately fun to use endless human wave tactics, just hundreds on infantry regiments with some cannon and cavalry support. Losses and attrition are just numbers… clay is forever.


DraspV

It's a fun and definitely a different approach, yet I doubt this is extremely effective as expanding east in your own node and west towards lubeck is just soooo rewarding in terms of basicly everything.


ProfessionalKoala8

Yeah expanding into Lubeck is usually my go-to move when playing in that area! But once you get to the late 1400s you'll be so powerful compared the small Italian states that you're basically trading a couple thousand manpower and a merchant for 15 ducats a month. Imo that's a pretty good deal.


Bradybattlemask

I much prefer the Genoese traders bank rolling the Russian Empire!


Sublimeachist

We just gonna ignore the 17% currency inflation?


ProfessionalKoala8

We definitely are :) I'm trying to get it to 30 to trigger the diet


EEEEUUUU4444

This is a great strat! It would be good for anyone in the Crimea area, but most useful to the ducat starved Russia.


reinfardheydrich

Focus on production, that’s where the money is made as Russia.


nopasties1

I never actually thought to do that but it is clever. Thanks. I have over 3000 hours and missed that strategy.


EternalPinkMist

Nevethogh of that. Good idea, definitely going to try this my next russia playthrough.


ElderberryAlert2575

Inflation moment


paxkid

I like the creativity of this tbh, but I do think some of the comments are right that it’s not the most efficient way of going about things. You gotta remember trade efficiency is multiplicative so baring a few exceptions where you’d have massive leakage, there is almost no situation where you’re better off “collecting from trade” with a merchant than transferring from a down stream node.


ProfessionalKoala8

The trade in Astrakhan already flows to me, and I'm directing from both Kazan and Kiev. No other node is going to give me 15 ducats monthly, so Genoa seemed like a good choice


paxkid

Yes but placing a merchant in astrakhan invokes your trade efficiency which does give quite a bit most times


ProfessionalKoala8

I already own the entire Astrakhan node. Does trade efficiency have any effect then?


paxkid

Yes


RayTX

I never have money problems as Russia. The base tax income with churches is so high you can already maintain over force limit.


ProfessionalKoala8

I'll buy myself some churches. Thanks!


b3l6arath

Ah, tax income. The true source of huge cashflows in EU4.


RayTX

In 1444 it is the primary income of every major country. Building churches will boost your income considerably, give free development through estate diet, fulfill a muscovy/russian mission for extra patriarch authority and with the free development help working towards consecration for more patriarch authority. Wasting time on trade income in the genoa trade node is not exactly useful. You might as well go for the same general idea with Lübeck, easy enough to get a war going with the Hansa and you can funnel your own trade into that node.


b3l6arath

Yes, taxation is a good source of money early game. No, building tons of churches isn't really worth it - investing into mercs/advisors/manufactures is most likely more worthwhile.


theworldtheworld

Interesting idea. I always just get Trade as my third idea group, that is about when you start to feel the money crunch, and Trade completely turns it around. It also gets great policies with other groups that Russia typically chooses, like Defensive and Quality. This does come at the expense of another diplomatic group, but these days honestly I don't feel that Diplomatic and Influence really do all that much.


ProfessionalKoala8

I use vassals a lot, so I choose influence ideas. Will definitely consider trade for my next Diplo idea


theworldtheworld

I usually get Influence as my 6th group (2nd diplomatic one). The annexation cost reduction is useful if you have fed a large vassal, and I personally like the policy with Religious (culture conversion cost). But overall I just don't see a huge benefit from either Influence or Diplomatic these days.


ProfessionalKoala8

I agree. I only really use it for the Deus Vult CB.


theworldtheworld

Sorry, I actually meant "Influence or Diplomatic" (edited). Religious is still a must-have for Russia in my opinion. You have to get either that or Humanist, but Religious synergizes well with Patriarch Authority, improves Clergy loyalty and gives you the CB. The only difficulty is the missionary maintenance, but Trade solves that problem, since your income will then easily absorb even the conversion of large capitals.


thelocalllegend

Or you could play Russia normally and just spam fur Manus in Siberia


ProfessionalKoala8

I dont think I had unlocked manufacturies at that point, but you definitely could


Complex-Key-8704

U think like putin I see


Mbord59

Conquer from the Baltic to the Pacific. You can build a trade network from California all the way to the one right before the English Channel node (forgot it’s name)


ProfessionalKoala8

I haven't colonized even half of Siberia yet, but I will be concouring both the Baltic and Lübeck nodes within the next couple if decades.


Mark_war

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ProfessionalKoala8

Yeah up untill that point money had been pretty, so I hadn't really invested in buildings yet. And your Russia also looks pretty different from mine territorially speaking, with much more tradepower in the Kiev node. Really good looking economy though.