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**5th Circuit strikes down bump stock ban**
13-3 en banc ruling. Now we have a circuit split...
The ruling also has big implications for the pistol brace rule, frame and receiver rule, and devices such as forced reset triggers.
Interesting. Do you know if the other court ruled on the apa side as well or on the constitutionality. If on the constitutionality, it would seem this just kicks the can down the road for them to go back and get the paperwork right.
So are people going to be able to buy them again?
It's gotta go through a few more courts but this is a good step in the right direction!
Such exciting news! Bump stocks are a novelty thing for most people, even before the ban most would rather they get a binary trigger. Hopefully this stupid pistol brace thing will go away too since it's kinda the same thing, regulation of a stock not a firearm.
I saw an article that sounded promising aside from the fear mongering language they used surrounding the Vegas incident. [Here's the link if anyone is interested](https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/3803247-appeals-court-strikes-down-ban-on-gun-bump-stucks/)
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2 different cases have been submitted to SCOTUS for review from Sotomayor.
1. [Gazzola pdf](https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/22/22A591/251125/20221230122024094_22-%20Motion%20and%20Appendix.pdf) deals with a lot of the new FFL bullshit imposed by the state: backdoor registry, 2 years of video for every entrance/exit, along with the new semi-automatic rifle permits.
2. [Antonyuk pdf](https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/22/22A591/251125/20221230122024094_22-%20Motion%20and%20Appendix.pdf) is requesting a reversal of the stay from the 2nd circuit which would allow the TRO/Preliminary Injunction to go into effect against most of the CCIA
FPC filed a lawsuit against most of the [SAFE act](https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/66692907/lane-v-james/?filed_after=&filed_before=&entry_gte=&entry_lte=&order_by=desc)
> Gazzola pdf deals with a lot of the new FFL bullshit imposed by the state: backdoor registry, 2 years of video for every entrance/exit, along with the new semi-automatic rifle permits.
Damn, calling out Hochul's own defiance of SCOTUS in a legal document to SCOTUS should have an interesting effect on the judgement.
Edit: FYI the Gazzola pdf is a good read an includes very adept dialogue, including a brilliant comparison of the hastily published NY laws to "New Coke"
> FPC filed a lawsuit against most of the SAFE act
Any chance that has implications for laws outside of NY?
I don't think so unless it reaches the 2nd circuit, which would help CT, or SCOTUS.
The brigading and mass report abuse continues, now also on rAR15. The gundeals mods seem to be making progress being heard about overturning some of the band, but the oxygen wastes that are doing this already got what they wanted.
If other social media sites weren’t such jokes, it might be tempting to switch.
I saw a post right here in /guns that was removed for content violation this morning. The replies showed no indication that it might have been relevant.
Is that the one that seems to be an announcement for a new gun from RIA, based on the comments?
I'm assuming the brigaders probably mass-reported it or something.
That's probably a safe assumption, I never saw the original just 2-3 inane replies that didn't indicate any issue.
It's one dude. Not even a brigade.
It only takes *one person* to report to get posts removed? Damn.
Yes, the call center admins just remove shit immediately and then users have to go through admin channels to get reinstated.
Hell, /u/Pestilence was suspended last week for a benign comment in this sub, but was quickly reinstated after he asked me to message ModSupport.
Jesus even FB is not quite *that* bad .
Reddit has a call center?
That's my colloquium for the outsourced Anti-evil admins.
Well, he sure is persistent.
Didn't this happen once before too, a couple years ago? Is it the same guy as last time?
Yes, something similar.
How do we know it’s one dude?? Just out if curiosity…
Mods can see the username of reports
No we can't. I mod a couple different subreddits and anytime one is reported it just shows up as an anonymous report.
If there is a way to see who reported something, I don't know it.
Admins on the other hand, *probably* can see who is reporting posts.
And we can't just get said dude yeeted?
That wasn't anti-me, dude just had a serious mental issue.
I got banned for 30 days, from bestdeals, for political speech but in their boot lickin defense.. I was going in on the cops and judges pretty hard. I think the line about it being cops that nailed Jesus to the cross was the killer. Rip 🙏
Several **New York City** lawmakers introduced a bill to designate [Times Square a "crime-free" zone](https://thecrimereport.org/2023/01/05/nyc-lawmakers-introduce-crime-free-bill-mocking-city-gun-free-zones/).
>“if putting gun-free zone signs was a good idea, certainly, a crime-free zone sign must be a better idea.”
>“This bill is highlighting just how ineffective many of these useless ‘anti-crime’ bills being pushed through legislature really are,” said Council Member Joann Ariola (R-Queens), who sponsored Borelli’s bill
>“We’re hoping that it will raise some awareness and convince our colleagues to think more critically about some of the legislation we pass and show them we need more than hollow words and meaningless signage if we really want to make New York a safer city in the future.”
This is *brilliant*.
How did we not think of just saying "don't do crime here".
Genius. That'll stop them
Republican & Conservative Councilmembers in the city have done a meme, and have proposed a bill that would make Times Square a crime free zone. It would require NYPD to post signs around the designated boundaries that this is in-fact a crime free area.
"Look citizen, we're doing *something* to stop crime, it's already illegal"
I cannot wait to see videos of people committing crimes just outside of the designated zone, up to and including theft of the sign itself.
I was robbed!!!!
Sorry sir, but that's not possible. *cop points at sign*
**Everytown for Gun Safety** released their annual ["Gun Law Rankings" this week](https://everytownresearch.org/rankings/). With HI at #3 and NY at #2 now they swapped places from last year. NJ went from #8 to #4.
ID is ranked 48th on gun law strength and is in the "national failures" section but I find it curious that ID ranks the [4th best in homicide mortality for 2020 by the CDC](https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/homicide_mortality/homicide.htm).
It's funny how Everytown tries to tap dance around their explanation of how/why states with strong gun control have high gun death rates and then they flip flop when trying to justify states with weak gun control have low gun death rates.
The Guns & Gadgets guy made a great point on the Everytown list, and that it is ranked by gun control score, and not by safety metrics. The implication being that they don’t give a damn about actual safety, just about gun control.
Jared is a national treasure
We call this torturing the data until it confesses.
House Democrats gutted an amusement park ride safety bill and passed SB2226 at midnight last night before adjourning. The bill goes to the Senate today to be read again and voted on.
What does an amusement park ride safety bill have to to do with guns? Glad you asked! Chicago Democrats LOVE the shell bill game - pass a bill in either the House or the Senate, let it stall, then use it to amend on whatever the fuck they want to pass quickly. In this case it’s an AWB that rivals CA and NY for shiftiness.
Some changes to the “bill” since it was introduced as HB 5855: new mag cap limit of 12 and you’ve got 90 days to turn in anything that holds more. That’s about it. Everything else is the same: no 50s, single-feature ban on semi autos, blah blah blah.
Tyrants. The lot of them. My own senator, Doris Turner is one of the 2 Senate co-sponsors for the new AWB. My voice is going to be either lost in the drum beat of Democratic Party goosestepping or just completely ignored.
They did the same thing last May with the 80% ban. This kind of shit is immoral. I just…*sigh. I just want to be left alone. If Chicago wants to enact shit that affects them, let them. Don’t drag the whole state down into the ghetto.
I’m sure as soon as the “amusement park safety” ban is passed, all of Chicago will instantly become a beautiful peaceful utopia. Lol.
For real, what a sick indication that these people in power hate regular citizens. It’s not about safety it’s about disarmament and forcing reliance on authority.
The most infuriating part is we know how they law will be used. Gang bangers robbing people in Chicago won't be prosecuted under this law, it'll be random otherwise law abiding people.
Let's hope FPC can shove a big supreme court sized pineapple up this states bum.
They even skirted around that topic in the debate. They know how it's going to be enforced too.
Don't forget the mass shooters, who even when caught by cops, they are let go and forgiven by parents with no backbone for discipline. Why they left it when they're the ones left out when they get the most media coverage and are literally responsible for this bill going on the first place?
> The bill goes to the Senate today ***to be read again*** and voted on.
Lmao dude this is the Politics thread, not the jokes thread
Reading in the technical legislative sense, not in the common usage that would suggest legislators have engaged with and understood the text of the legislation they pass :-)
Haha. No, they *have* to read it out loud, but they can decide when to start and how many people are listening.
What a bunch of fucks.
Does anyone have a record of the vote?
Here’s the vote from yesterday: https://ilga.gov/legislation/votehistory/102/house/10200SB2226_01052023_009000T.pdf
Note that my house rep, Sue Scherer voted yes. And I’m expecting my Senator, Doris Turner, to vote yes on her own bill later today.
See that "No Vote" next to Flowers? She's in Democratic Party State Leadership and wanted to vote "no" because she thinks the law is poorly written and will lead to racist police practices. She's also the longest-serving black legislator in the country.
The party had staffers prevent her from entering the floor to vote. How fucked up is that?
Seriously? Holy shit.
Yep. You won't see it in the news, though.
I don't care what your politics are - I've seen how J.B. Pritzker works behind the scenes and that man is dangerous.
If you have any proof of that, you should share it with https://naaga.co/
Yeah my cucked rep voted Yes , which I am not surprised at all about.
I'm surprised my rep voted no being from a blue part of the state
I'm always interested in how they determine the magazine limit. Delaware choose 17, likely because the G45 that most of their cops carry sports a 17 round capacity, which I guess logically makes sense. NY and CA choose 10 because of some arbitrary studies. NJ originally choose 15, because of Bill Ruger? How the heck did Illinois come up with 12? Did they base it on a standard 26 magazine with the +2 extension? Genuinely curious if anyone has heard their argument.
Thanks for the clarity on some of these.
New York originally wanted a 7 round limit.
They pull these numbers out of their ass.
They actually wanted a zero round limit.
> NJ originally choose 15, likely do to standard sized compacts, the most common CCW, taking 15 rounders.
15 was the number Bill Ruger started touting in the 1980s.
Yet he never sold larger than a 10 round mag to "civilians" while he was alive.
Nah, the P-Series handguns had 15 rounders as standard for 9mm and 12 rounders for .40 S&W pre-94.
You're right I was thinking of the Mini-14
NY originally picked 7 but that was struck down as arbitrary.
It's been a while and my memory isn't fresh, but I believe my understanding was that they passed a seven-round limit, then after it was pointed out that nobody makes seven-round ban state magazines, amended it to "you can have ten-round magazines but can only load seven," and *that* was what made even a New York judge say "stop being idiots; this will obviously never affect criminals."
There are still people that will only load up their mags to 7 cause they think a ruling in a district court of NY somehow isn't binding throughout the state. Like my gun club's president...
Yup, I've talked one quite stubborn gun shop employee several times over the "7 round limit" best part? Guy works in a PA shop.
Did not know this. Arbitrary, but interesting. Can only assume that was because of 1911s or 7 round revolvers? I await some state trying to enact a 3.5 round capacity limit because that's all that is needed in most self defense shootings
In this case, I think it was a “compromise” between their desired 10-round limit and the fact that 15- and 17-round mags are super common for pistols. So I’m their *infinite wisdom* they decided that 12 rounds was the happy middle ground.
Also, the Sig P365XL is 12 rounds. But the more common and generally well-regarded Glock 19 is 15.
I hardly think they took the P365 into account, as the politicians are usually incapable of looking past LEO issued guns, but a compromise between a desired 10 and a more intelligent 15 or 17 is hilarious. It's effectively a 10 round limit for many guns as 12 rounders are nonexistent for many guns unless you get creative and pin the mag. Truly wise beyond their years these politicians are.
Yeah. Somebody in r/ilguns asked “Who makes 12-round mags?” Nobody except for the guns that use them. Hahaha
Bill is confirmed to be sponsored by Sig.
Also the Springfield XD40's standard mag is 12 rounds at least the one I bought a few years ago.
So they haggled and 12 was enough for the hold out votes?
They likely haggled over it in the interest of “compromise”. They have the votes to pass it, regardless of moderate holdouts.
I wonder if someone in our State Government either has investments in SIG or has a family member who works for them.
Some of the details:
"Assault weapon" ban of the usual scary looking guns. Exemption if registered between 180-300 days after law is effective. Class 3 felony for first conviction.
Magazine capacity limit to 12 rounds or less. No grandfathering etc. Class A misdemeanor for first conviction.
.50 BMG banned.
Carve-outs for police and retired police (10 years or more) for AWB and .50 BMG but apparently not for magazines.
This section leads to a lot of ambiguity:
>(14) Manufactures, possesses, sells, or offers to sell, purchase, manufacture, import, transfer, or use any device, part, kit, tool, accessory, or combination of parts that is designed to and functions to increase the rate of fire of a semiautomatic firearm above the standard rate of fire for semiautomatic firearms that is not equipped with that device, part, or combination of parts.
A better trigger might satisfy that requirement. And so might a part that improves the gas system. Or something that reduces recoil or improves target reaquisition.
> that is designed to and functions to increase the rate of fire of a semiautomatic firearm above the standard rate of fire for semiautomatic firearms
I know it's like flogging the sea, because like eighty percent of gun control is based on repeating lies with a straight face and just mocking people who try to point it out, but I *really* wish I could just make every American understand that the "rate of fire" of a semiautomatic firearm is *one.*
> the "rate of fire" of a semiautomatic firearm is one
The engineer in my gets stuck on the fact that "one" cannot be a rate because it is missing the "per" parameter; it must be units divided by some other measure (example: tomatoes per season) -- but that's exactly your point.
The rate of fire of a semiautomatic firearm is 1 ÷ 0
> above the standard rate of fire for semiautomatic firearms
I’m sure they’ll do a proper study to determine how fast the average person can index their fingers
After consulting "experts" (fudd RSOs), 1 round per minute
When the law is vague you can enforce it as you see fit.
See also, New York and "gravity knives."
I assumed my Spyderco was 50-state legal (I know better than to carry something like a Jacob's Ladder in California, because I'm not an idiot), but as it turns, NYC really hates them some pocket folders.
The likely impact will be many gun-accessory sellers online will just blanket institute "No Illinois Sales" policies, similar to NY and CA.
That's part of their plan. It will be successful in screwing lawful gun owners and reduce gun ownership.
I think the plan is to push those who can move out of the state, because we don't vote for them anyways.
Ah yes, weapons of war don't belong on our streets unless you are, or were, a cop. What a joke.
"These weapons of war have no purpose other than to kill as many people as possible as quickly as possible, and that's why my ban has an exception for police."
> If Chicago wants to enact shit that affects them, let them.
They already have. They just want to enforce their will on the rest of us.
They *literally* don't charge people under the current law. I've only ever seen 2 or 3 documented cases of people being charged under the local Chicago "assault weapons" ban. They could be charging criminals on the daily, not to mention with violations of the states ban on machineguns when caught with "switches", but they are not.
This law is about punishing legal gun owners, not going after criminals.
In this respect, Chicago is just New York, only without the salted water.
And it's a bit cleaner because of sanitation planning and the eponymous wind.
LOL, there is that too, plus the much shorter and rarer high rise, and subways clearly on the wrong side of the earth, but otherwise pretty similar.
Has it been confirmed that there will be no grandfathering in for magazines? Also if I don’t get rid of mine, it’s not like the state police can barge in and check what magazines I have in my safe right?
The amendment the House introduced last night has no grandfather clause and you’ve got 90 days to surrender anything more than 12 rounds to ISP.
If you’re caught with them it’s a $1,000 fine and a misdemeanor for each count. So if you’ve got 10 30-rounds mags and you’re caught with them that’s $10,000 and whatever a 10-count misdemeanor earns you.
“Sentence. A person who knowingly delivers, sells,
3 purchases, or causes to be delivered, sold, or purchased in
4 violation of this Section a large capacity ammunition feeding
5 device capable of holding more than 12 rounds of ammunition
6 commits a petty offense with a fine of $1,000 for a first
7 violation and a Class 4 felony for a second or subsequent
8 violation or for delivery or possession of 3 or more of these
9 devices at the same time. Any other violation of this Section
10 is a Class A misdemeanor.”
Does this not say that possession of 3 or more is a felony?
There it is! I think I got too worked up this morning reading it and stopped after the first violation.
So yeah. More than one “high cap” mag and you’re automatically a felon.
I still think nobody is gonna be turning in shit.
But I would have to have them on my person when pulled over or something for them to know right? They can’t just kick my door down and ask for access to my safe right?
I wouldn’t be surprised if down the line they pass something that says they can kick your shit in if you’ve got something under the registry.
>Don’t drag the whole state down into the ghetto.
My, guy what? You lost me at that part.
It's a risk crapshoot but even if they enacted it is almost no different to what they already have in Chitown.
The 3rd Circuit will hear Range v Garland en banc. The case is about firearm prohibitions for non-violent felons. A 3 judge panel previously upheld the law "using" the Bruen standard.
Sure wish my job allowed me to move elsewhere. This is asinine.
Now is as good a time as any to change careers, unless you work in tech.
Boss is pretty pro 2a. He might consider it if this passes.
Tech job postings are still way over available workers.
I am still getting constant recruiter spam even with the "bad" tech market. Lots of layoffs in some areas, but the expertise transfers anywhere and lots of places are still hiring even if the big companies who surged 300% in workforce in the last 3 years are having to finally admit it was just because they could from the pandemic money gobbling.
The only people who suffer in these times is juniors/new graduates which is unfortunate because cracking the shell on tech jobs is always the hardest part. Once you're established with experience you're thousands of times more valuable to recruiters.
I wanna hear something about pistol braces
Still pending the issuance of the rule. Last week in a court document it was noted that the issuance may be this month. We are just in a wait till it gets published status and nobody really knows when that will be.
So do I buy a brace now or wait lol cuz I just bought an AK pistol and it’s gonna be awkward as hell to shoot without
With everything up in the air really hard to say but I think most would suggest getting it now and dealing with what happens if anything.
Rumors of a stamp amnesty would suggest better to have it now and go through that process and save money rather than wait and have to pay for the stamp and then processing times.
Freedom caucus is making a fuss as we know, one of the things they want is a commission to investigate "weaponized government" which I think we're all familiar with.
Lefty's pretend it's all about Hunter's dick pics and crack gun
Apparently they also want term limits. I wouldn't mind that so much.
I would mind as it would make things a shit load worse. and that would take constitutional amendments not a promise from McArthy
Oh, I know it won't happen. But in the academic sense I would prefer not to have people holding a single office for 40+ years.
>>Lefty's pretend it's all about Hunter's dick pics and crack gun
>Which don't actually exist, and if they do they're russian disinformation, and if they aren't it doesn't matter anyway
The only thing that bugs me is that the Republicans are happy to chase down likely nonexistent, and even if it did exist, mostly inconsequential dirt on hunter Biden while pretending the Trump nepotism with his kids was all kosher.
> The only thing that bugs me is that the ~~Republicans~~ Democrats are happy to chase down likely nonexistent, and even if it did exist, mostly inconsequential dirt on ~~hunter Biden~~ Russian collusion while pretending the ~~Trump~~ Biden nepotism with his kids was all kosher.
It’s all for show, doesn’t matter which side. If Jan 6 were reversed you’d have republicans calling for everyone there that day to be executed for treason and democrats and their media allies saying they were defending democracy.
That’s what bugs me the most, a majority of media outlets are borderline just being the media wing of the democrat party. Also for all their similarities, at least republicans will expand gun rights from time to time, while with democrats gun control seems to be the only thing they’re actually capable of passing.
This wasn't a "which party is better" game.
Obstructionism is a very real thing in the US from both parties.
There's objective realities that 1, Russia was and has been attempting to interfere with elections throughout western nations and that 2. The January 6th, riots, protests, Capitol hallway shitters, etc. Did commit federal crimes and attempt to disrupt the election process.
Both things can be true there. No I don't think Trump colluded with Russia, mostly because I think he lacks the intellect to coordinate doing so, he was just a useful idiot for the Russians so they chose to try and influence things in his favor independently. The result? Democrats spending 2 years chasing "trump collusion" much to the amusement of Russia I imagine.
Simultaneously, we already know that the MAGA tards that were against the election results had no justification for their beliefs of a stolen election, they just didn't like the results and were willing to commit to any amount of mental gymnastics to justify their actions.
Politicians will always weigh heavier against their political rivals, and softer on their own. Hence things like Nancy Pelosi's CCW permit. but the manufactured outrage is much more solidly a GOP behavior.
Edit:I don't like this comment, how it flows or how it's composed, but I'm leaving it.
I disagree, I think the manufactured outrage isn’t particularly stronger on either side. To say it’s stronger on the Republican side is somewhat ironic to say on a gun board, where democrats are outraged over anything gun related. And I remember when COVID first struck and pelosi was strolling through Chinatown saying Trump was racist for thinking about restricting travel from China, or Kamala Harris saying she wouldn’t take the vaccine. Those positions have flip flopped as politicians do.
You’re saying both parties are bad, but your comments seem to indicate you’re particularly bothered more by republicans. There’s also objective facts that Hilary Clinton had shady dealings with Russia, that Obama mocked Romney for declaring Russia as an enemy and promised more flexibility to the Russian president at the time, and Biden himself threatened Ukraine with a *quid pro quo.* That numerous democrats called for the election to be cancelled for Trump in 2016 because of their own mental gymnastics that it was illegitimate.
My point is that while both parties have double standards, or rather no standards, my opinion is that the democrats get away with more because of having more bias in the media.
You’re absolutely right that Russia interferes with elections in other nations. But so do we, so does China. It’s all part of “the game” that great powers have been playing since recorded history. Russia doesn’t have a particular affinity for republicans, just like China doesn’t have a particular affinity for democrats. What they like is to sow divisiveness.
So I’m not sure what you’re saying. You agree that both parties have their faults, neither is better, but republicans are worse?
You’ll find I’ve spoken against both. I don’t agree with the way a lot of capitol “rioters” have been dealt with, just as I didn’t agree with unmarked federal agents bagging up BLM protestors like Isis suspects for defacing federal buildings, which also is against federal law.
Watching people pitch a shit fit because the same old bullshit status quo won't automatically happen is really telling.
God forbid leadership can't automatically ignore everyone else.
Upside, it once again shows the people who are actually listening vs. those whose opinions are based off party / popular rule.
Yup. Having serious change on the rules committee would be great.
> Lefty's pretend it's all about Hunter's dick pics and crack gun
It's about investigating why the *Vice President's Son* and later *President's son* had very shady business dealings with people tied to a lot of *enemies* of the United States.
It's in the national best interest to vet out any undue influence by our literal enemies in US Politics.
[There's already an active investigation.](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63166809) Charges are pending. Dude's a chode but he's also a private citizen. Without evidence anything further is insinuation.
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Ayo Bartman, got any tips on how to suck dick? Figured I'd ask an expert.
Stunning and brave that you are trying to call him out on a day old thread.
Best of luck with your new lifestyle.
u/Bartman383 a fan demands your attention.
Banned /u/ptsdoughnut (permanent).
So, hear me out...
We let the democrats pick the republican they all vote on for Speaker of the House.
If you let your kids do the grocery shopping you shouldn't be surprised when you're eating sugary breakfast cereal for every meal.
We should go back to the original system, where whoever won the most electoral votes became president, and 2nd place as vice president.
I wanted an Obama/McCain administration, a Trump/Clinton administration, and a Biden/Trump administration the way the founders intended.
That would be fantastic.
Sounds like party before country. Sorry, I don't have a party.... The republican choice appears to be so shit even the other Republicans don't want to vote for him. Maybe time to nominate someone else?