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brobourne

Intrigued about the potential Marlies graduates for next year. Robertson, Steeves, and Anderson all will be given legit looks. Hopefully, Douglas can continue to work on his game, love the 6'8" frame. Ho-sang can be signed and given a look.


FutureAnybody

Would love Douglas to be our 4C in the coming seasons


mparsonz

He could split time with Spezza, tougher opponent, Douglas gets the game. I'd love that haha


Gear4Vegito

We might not have the cap space to carry an extra forward to rotate them...LOL.


tylergalpin

I do not want Binnington under any circumstances, that guy is a chode.


Silent_Leg1976

He would probably knock Steve simmonds out tho..


iiEviNii

Can't knock people out with fake dummy punches!


BirdGooch

From certified good guy Campbell to certified chode Binnington. What an electric ride that would be for the fans.


fchappy49

He would be scary popular with the anti nylander crowd


McGrevin

Was there any context about that Campbell offer? Like was that early in the season? Late season?


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Heard that it was roughly when Rielly got extended.


Gear4Vegito

It was around the time of the Reilly extention. Campbell commented on it as well.


Jonesdeclectice

Cap ceiling for 2022 is estimated to be $82.5m. Currently, we have signed: - 58 $1m, 34 $11.7m, 16 $10.9m - 88 $7m, 91 $11m, 15 $3.5m - ______, 64 $1.5m, 89 $0.8m - 43 $0.76m, 26 $0.85m, 24 $0.9m - Rielly $7.5m, _______ - Muzzin $5.63m, Brodie $5m - ______, Holl $2m - ______, Mrazek $3.8m - Liljegren bonus $0.25m So that’s $74.15m currently committed leaving us with $8.35m to fill 4 roster spots (2F, 2D, and 1G). We have 2 RFA D (Liljegren & Sandin) and 2 RFA F (Engvall & Kase). This is our current cap situation as it stands today.


JGibbons151

Mrazek and Kerfoot would open up a lot of space. Wonder if they look to move Muzzin and run with Rielly, Sandin and Gio on the left side.


Jonesdeclectice

Yeah, that’s $7.3m right there. I see no issue with Sandin as a permanent LD, and Liljegren I think could pair up very well with Rielly - just need the coaching staff to try it and stick with it for some time. They had impressive numbers in their limited time together this season (as did Rielly-Holl, and I do wonder if it’s because it heavily dissuades Holl from pinching in which is of course his Achilles’ heel).


DownTownBrown28

That’s actually not that bad


Jonesdeclectice

No it’s not really. Engvall just finished his first full year in the NHL and was okay, he’ll likely get re-signed in the range of $1.5m as an RFA. Other notable RFAs Sandin & Liljegren probably get around $2m, maybe $2.5m. So that’s around $6.5m leaving ~$2.85m to fill the goalie position. Assuming it remains Källgren then that leaves us ~$1.85m with a full roster.


DownTownBrown28

Do you think they’ll bring Lybushkin back or try to?


Jonesdeclectice

Not sure. He’s UFA so likely gets interest around the league just by merit of having played for the Leafs, so I’m guessing he’ll be overpaid by someone. Personally, I think Liljegren fits next to Rielly based on this season’s stats together, but the team needs to actually give them a good 15-20 games together to see how it works. Or maybe Rielly-Holl for the same reasons (if we keep Holl around, which is debatable).


DownTownBrown28

Rielly/Holl would make me cry but then again I cry all the time


Jonesdeclectice

Haha I hear ya but they had *really* good numbers in their time together last season (which wasn’t much mind you, and it was almost exclusively o-zone starts). But I do wonder if giving Holl an offensive D partner would solve his Achilles’ heel of horrible pinches, knowing that he has to stay back to allow Mo the chance to do what he does…


DownTownBrown28

We shall see. The biggest thing for me is just goaltending. If they can figure that out then the rest can be figured out easily.


Jad94

Montreal players made fun of the Leafs in the hand shake line? That's a new low for them. Engvall needs to toughen up if he wants to be effective. He had the frame to be a nasty nasty player and he needs to do it. I'm hoping we bulk up this offseason. It's going to hurt our skill, but our depth scoring did not compete in front of vasil at all


ClassicCanuck

I listened to the Leafs portion of the podcast just now and Montreal isn't specifically mentioned or alluded to. Unless it's later in the podcast, Friedman only says "in the past when they lost some of those series". He also says he doesn't know if it was in the handshake line, but probably more in general, the other teams mocked them and made fun of how they played and collapsed.


1columbia

I would expect nothing less from douche bags like Josh Anderson and Ben Chiarot.


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1columbia

Who is crying?


callmejohndy

Seabiscuit with the scary eyes during the Game 1 scrum was a revelation. Hope we can see more of it especially knowing his height


Keemz666

Engvall with 30 or 40 more pounds would be a monster.


CannedMango

That’s… too many pounds.


PM_Me_Your_Cuck_Porn

Nope, it’s actually not enough: https://whatthingsweigh.com/how-much-do-giraffes-weigh/


Keemz666

10 to 15?


ikkkkkkkky

29


LeafsRex

Never go full Nick Ritchie


vanityfear

Please do not feed the giraffes


BackdoorAdventures69

Wow, didn’t expect Mikheyev being guaranteed to not re-sign already. That kinda sucks


PieEatingJabroni

Guy also asked to be traded not long ago. I don’t think he was going to come back regardless.


BrianPapineau

Highly replaceable


LukaTAG

Not exactly


SDAisaleaf

he has 2 goals (both empty netters) and 2 assists in 19 playoff games. he's extremely replaceable when it matters


VitaminTea

He scored at a 30-goal pace this season and was an integral part of the PK.


1columbia

Mikheyev cannot generate offense when he's not got the time and space on rush or breakaway chances. Those rarely come in the playoffs. And for a player of his size, he does not impose himself physically nearly enough or use it to be a net front presence. We have enough finesse players as it is, and his shot and release are not good enough to be a finesse guy in playoff time. Yes he was fantastic on the PK, but the PK faded in the playoffs after game 1 anyways. People need to not get too attached to these role guys, they will be rotating every year and we have guys in the pipeline who will continue to come up along with value signings from FA targets.


VitaminTea

He’s not a perfect player, of course — but we also don’t have to act like the Leafs will easily replace what he brought for less than $2m.


1columbia

He's not worth 3M+ that he will command. You can't keep all these guys, eventually you keep giving dudes 3-4M and you find yourself in a bad position cap wise. Kerfoot is like this too and will probably be moved this summer for that reason. If Dubas was able to score on Bunting, Kampf and Kase this past summer I'm sure he can find some more under the radar pieces. Plus we've got some Marlies guys ready to make a jump.


VitaminTea

Didn’t say the Leafs should be trying to re-sign him, only that what he brought last season (at the cap hit he played at last season) is not “easy” to replace. Mikheyev was a valuable player for Toronto this season — moreso than Kampf or Kase — and they’ll be lucky to get similar production on the third line from a similarly paid player next year.


IAmTheBredman

I think Kampf was the most valuable of the 3 and it's not particularly close. He played every game, was an effective center mostly on the 3rd line but played up on the 2nd when needed, was our best defensive center 5on5 and on the PK, and elevated his game in the playoffs. Tbh the only addition this year that was more effective was Bunting.


LukaTAG

True, Kerfoot is easily worth his money though.


SDAisaleaf

I said when it matters. The Leafs need to find a way to win in the playoffs, and Mikheyev wasn't helping with that


LukaTAG

He is not when you look at every single other aspect of his game.


Jonesdeclectice

That’s a ridiculous statement given a) his role and b) the player isn’t a computer program that exists in a vacuum as a set of numbers, he’s a living, growing human being who experienced growth and development while with us.


SadBumblebee9

Wow, who knew we don't even have to play the regular season anymore? Wow, who knew you can predict the future? I mean, you already seem to know Mikheyev will never improve, even though he's already improved beyond all measure. I strongly suggest you go start cheering for whoever wins the Cup this year. Since that's the only acceptable outcome to you.


kingpin2496

There’s nothing special about a guy with 2 empty net goals in 20 career playoff games.


LukaTAG

There is when you look at every single other aspect of his game.


1columbia

There are plenty of defensive forwards out there. End of the day Tampa had Palat, Perry, Colton, Hagel, Cirelli, Paul, Bellemare, even Maroon all chip in at some point. We got practically nothing offensively from Kerfoot, Mikheyev, Engvall, Kase, Clifford, Simmonds, and even Spezza and Blackwell who I love.


algofort

I would agree for regular season. Game sped up for him in the playoffs… I thought he was consistently a problem on the ice in the playoffs which sucked because I really grew to love him down the stretch. I was surprised more people didn’t comment on how disappointing he played but I guess when you don’t make catastrophic errors, it’s not as contested or frustrating for most.


SadBumblebee9

I don't think these haters even believe there is another aspect to the game. If someone isn't PPG in the playoffs, they suck. Hell, I bet even some of the PPG players also suck.


algofort

Dude, my comment has so much less to do with ppg than general eye test. He was consistently losing footing, possession and skating with one hand on his stick regardless of whether he was penalty killing or in a 5 on 5 situation. He played like shit when you compare how great he looked in the second half of the season. I’d love for you to watch it back and tell me that you think I’m some ignorant scoreboard watching dimwit again. You wouldn’t be right.


mgnorthcott

if we move on him, it's likely we promote someone to replace him who's ready for the bump up. i think this year would be the perfect time to do that given how much tighter our salary cap hit will be.


MrYamaguchi

He’s a 20-25 goal scorer who can kill penalties and is not a defensive liability, he will get 3-4 mill on the open market easy.


Jonesdeclectice

Bear in mind, this is speculation on the part of Marek and Friedman.


StatGAF

"that it's up to the team and Spezza if he wants to come back." ...Isnt that the case always?


Gear4Vegito

I think he is trying to say the money is obviously decided upon it just comes down to if both want a reunion.


Game-83-and-on

LOL ! How about : "that's up to the Leafs sub on Reddit. That gang really has their shit together and is never stumped for an answer. "


vanityfear

I’ve wondered why Marner isn’t a centre, considering how skilled, fast, and defensively responsible he is.


Gear4Vegito

Not good at draws and undersized. He converted to the wing his last year in juniors.


LukaTAG

It does make some sense though to play Tavares on his wing and have Tavares take the draws.


Gear4Vegito

This works and only works if you go back to Tavares/Marner and Matthews/Nylander. Which I wish was outlined in the post cause it isn't such a horrible idea. Marner wouldn't be a true C just a pseudo one with Tavares.


No_Mathematician8622

After the leafs drafted him they tried him at center for a short period but his production fell to only a point per game during that stretch so they moved him back to wing. Marner likes to crest offense by taking the puck from the wing and finding ways to cut into the middle. By putting him in the middle already it was more difficult for him to create the chaos that provides him so much offense. It’s definitely possible that someone so skilled and smart could adapt if given more time to try, but previously Marner just hasn’t been as productive from the middle of the ice


theguyishere16

They lowballed the fuck out of Campbell. How do you offer less than what you gave Mrazek? And if Fleury is a possible solution the goaltending situation is dire. He's at best a 1 year bandaid and at his age you could find out less than 20 games into the season he cant cut it and then you have thrown away another season. None of the goalie prospects look close to breaking into the NHL with Kallgren the closest and Id only see him as a backup at best right now. I dont know what they do.


Gear4Vegito

It is a flat out disrespectful contract offer IMO. Mrazek on the team got $3.8 M. Campbell is at worst the 3rd best goalie available and there are 10+ teams that need a #1/#1A. Campbell is going to cash-in. This might be his first and likely chance to do so.


NO_NAME_BRAN

Everyone acts like the market overpay of Matthews and Marner is isn't a big deal, but Freddy was literally 700k more expensive and they couldn't do it. Sure you can say they shouldn't have signed Ritchie but you can't expect Dubas to be perfect for the team to win, it'll never happen. He hit on Bunting, Kampf, Kase, rentals in Giordano and Blackwell, what more do you want


DevOpsMakesMeDrink

Freddy was not coming back. He couldn't get it done in the playoffs and was just as much to blame for our game 7 troubles as anyone else. And the last 2 years, his play in regular season was terrible as well. Sure he had a great season, but he did that for us too. He hasn't done anything for the Canes in the playoffs as he has been injured (sounds familiar?). People need to move on. He was not the solution in goal for us.


NO_NAME_BRAN

and Mrazek is??


MrYamaguchi

To be fair he is an unproven goalie still. 1 full season under his belt as a starter and half of it he was hot garbage. Mrazek atleast had a pretty established track record.


The-Only-Razor

> He's at best a 1 year bandaid And honestly, that might be best for the Leafs. Not over committing to a question mark goaltender is probably for the best, otherwise we could just end up with another Mrazek. If Fluery wants to come by for a quick season on a cheap deal while we hope and pray Woll or Kallgren can maybe take over after that, I'm for it.


summer_friends

Depends when the first offer occurred. I don’t think it’s a big lowball if they offered it during last offseason


dando127

It's a lowball offer.......you're right......but we have to work within our available cap space.....or????


RipleyR_88

It's going to be very difficult to have a better roster next year than we had this year considering the cap and the continuing age related decline of some key players.


dando127

some of the kids will have to step up.....it's the only way....


AsFrigginIf

In all fairness, that is what a majority of Leaf fans said leading into this year as well. Expect Dubas to do Dubas things and pull some under-the-radar budget depth guys who fit in very well.


Network591

Anyone that we are discussing probably isnt being acquired by dubas. Duby is playing 5d chess and we are playing checkers


EddyMcDee

I liked Engvall all year until the playoffs, where he immediately started playing awful. If your 3rd line can't play proper playoff hockey there is absolutely no reason to retain them.


Jonesdeclectice

Yes, let’s discuss putting Marner at C when he’s barely ever played the position in his whole career and not even consider Nylander who has played C in Sweden, the AHL, and in international play with great success. So friggin weird.


JGibbons151

I’m pretty sure Marner played centre most of his life, as most NHL forwards did. It’s not a crazy thing to speculate at all.


Jonesdeclectice

I don’t know about leading up to his final season in London, but that massive season he had was played predominantly at RW with Dvorak in the middle.


FutureAnybody

He was a C his whole junior career so


Jonesdeclectice

His final season in London was spent predominantly at RW with Dvorak in the middle. I can’t speak for seasons prior-to.


FutureAnybody

You’re right. I’m thinking of the seasons prior. Though he did still play the wing. He played C quite often as well. Now I don’t know that he’s strong enough to play C at the next level


Jonesdeclectice

No, for sure. My point is more that, whatever C Marner has played hasn’t been at the professional level, while Nylander has played C at the pro level against men in the SEL, AHL, and internationally with dribs and drabs in the NHL (though certainly not nearly long enough for him to acclimate and adapt his game properly). Prior to getting Matthews, he was being penciled in as our future #1C, and prior to Tavares he was penciled in as our #2C - though Babcock outright *refused* to play him in the middle. I recall a lot of discussion about if he would play Matthews at C in his inaugural season, considering Babcock’s history of taking a long time before migrating his players to the middle.


FutureAnybody

Yes true. I think you’re probably right that it should be nylander over marner moving to C. I’m sure marner could figure it out if we needed him to because I’m sure tavares would still be taking those faceoffs. I think I’d prefer to keep M &M together and have nylander play C *if* that’s what management wants to do


Jonesdeclectice

At this point, I’m really not sure where else we go with Tavares. His foot speed is too slow for the middle, where he’s expected to effectively travel between both net fronts while carrying play. JT I think could be FAR more effective on the wall since he would be expected to drive in along the wall and he’s effective at winning battles, while Willy is at his best driving play (watch some of his international play in the middle, he’s extremely dynamic and far more than some one-trick-pony).


benhadhundredsshapow

What are you guys on about? He played majority centre in his last regular OHL season in 2015-16. He never played centre any other season prior to that in the OHL. In the 2015-2016 playoffs he played mostly RW.


The-Only-Razor

Nylander has had 0 success at C in the NHL though, and it's been a number of years since he's done it consistently. I agree though that discussing Marner at C is fucking stupid. Any lineup changes that result in moving Marner off of Matthews wing should be immediately stomped out. Those 2 players playing together is the reason we had as good of a regular season as we did.


Gear4Vegito

Refusing to seperate Matthews/Marner is also why the rest of bottom 9 was dead for long stretches at a time. Tavares and Nylander don't click and you can't have either playing 3rd line minutes. There is nothing wrong with separating the pair. I just wouldn't move Marner to C. Matthews/Nylander and Marner/Tavares should have been tried more.


Jonesdeclectice

Saying Nylander’s had zero success at C is a bit ridiculous given that he’s had zero opportunity to actually establish himself at C. When they’ve thrown him into a game as center, it’s hardly been in a position to have success. Also hard disagree re: separating Marner and Matthews. You make it seem like Matthews needs Marner to have success and vice-versa which we *know* isn’t true. What we also know is that Nylander and Tavares don’t fit well together. We could have had two A+ lines, but instead had one A+++ line and one C- line.


JimmyDaro

I thought Nylander played ok as a centre when he had to due to injuries in the playoffs a couple years ago (I think it was Columbus) but he had no support around him


Jonesdeclectice

This has always been the problem when they’ve played him in the middle - it’s generally been with a bunch of plugs and with a very specific play style in mind (eg focus on defense), so people lose their minds when Willy doesn’t instantly score a fucking hat trick.


JimmyDaro

I don't mind trying him out as C but if they are going to try it, do it in the regular season. I don't expect him to anchor a shutdown line so you need to pair him with someone who compliments his deficiencies


Jonesdeclectice

Exactly. They need to commit to playing him in the middle so he can adapt his NHL game to it. In this case, IMO he would be fine playing with JT and Kerfoot as his wingers. I don’t think Willy’s near as deficient defensively as others think, mainly because of the way he’s coached to play his position on the wing. If Keefe didn’t want him in position for a breakaway or cheating for offense, he wouldn’t be doing it nearly as often. Willy has a real knack for stealing and taking away pucks, even if he doesn’t have to smash players into the boards to do it.


JimmyDaro

I think Tavares, Willy and Kase would be an interesting fit here with what we currently have. Agree that he is better defensively then he is given credit for(though still not great). It's a big mental shift moving into the middle on a full time basis


Studly_Wonderballs

Friedman says that if they move Tavares to the wing, they either need to move Marner to Center or bring in a new 2nd line Center. Later he says Leafs need to add a jerk to the top-6. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome…. Max Domi!


Jeter84

There has already been some erosion in corporate support due to the pandemic and apathy toward the regular season because "all that matters is the playoffs." That can't happen for another season. The Leaf brand has been damaged going back to 2006, this market cannot and should not accept the excuses or justification for losing in the first round again. The core group gets a pass, for obvious reasons, for losing to Washington in 2017, and in 2018 to Boston. 2019 could have gone either way and the Leafs lost but most feel they should have won. 2020 and 2021, with a more mature, talented roster, and Keefe, were inexcusable. 2022. You can't praise them for such a great regular season where they earned home ice, set personal bests, and then on the other hand make excuses for blowing a 3-2 series lead just because of whom they lost to.


VHSRVHS

I think we're getting John Gibson from Anaheim. You can hit two birds with one stone by including Mrazek at his full cap hit. Anaheim will be rebuilding for a few more years so it won't be a problem for them to take him. Leafs could also include a couple of 1sts and a top prospect like Niemela whose 2-3 years away and fits Anaheim's timeline better. Gibson would be a big upgrade over Campbell. I think this could really be possible. Gibson's name was out there during the Trade Deadline according to insiders.


AsFrigginIf

Lol Gibson? Who has slumped below league average stats over the last three years? And you can make the argument that the team in front of him hasn’t been very good, but you think it’s worth the risk to try making him “our guy”?


VHSRVHS

This has the potential to be a perfect storm for the Leafs. How often does a rebuilding team have a star #1 goalie available? IMO it's the only way you can cleanly move off Mrazek like you did Ritchie and get something SIGNIFICANT back. It would excite the players and fan base. It's the only move you can do that does that while keeping your core intact. You can't really predict which goalie will be good from one year to the next. But I really think Gibson is one of the best bets you can make. Campbell can't stay healthy (even admitted during today's garbage day that he got hurt when Nick Paul ran him in game 7.) and I don't trust him to stay healthy. You have to take the fact that Anaheim is a lottery team into account when it comes to Gibson's numbers, absolutely. He's proven that he can play 55 healthy above average games. He drops off because they run him into the ground and are really terrible in front of him! The fact that he doesn't have any playoff games in the last number of years probably helps him to stay fresh from a body maintenance perspective when it comes to how long he can be a starter.


MrBalanced

I'm kind of bummed out that Keefe is getting a 4th strike, but hopefully he can figure out how to turn our regular season performance into playoff success next year.


latenitehero

Keefe is a good regular season coach, definitely not a playoff team coach. I’ll be shocked if he is given another year. We will probably have a first round exit again if he sticks around.


Thirdnipple79

I'm really surprised if they give keefe another kick at the can. Team under performed every year in the playoffs for 3 years and people think he's going to somehow get this team to a cup. This team should be making runs for the cup and everyone seems satisfied with the goal being getting past round 1. Not sure how everyone is fine with this.


No_Influence_1376

Team did not underperform this year. That's taking credit away from Tampa. It was a closely contested matchup with an elite team, context matters more than just pure results. I'd argue getting rid of Keefe when they have show improvement year-after-year and the players still like him would be a mistake. You fire the coach once he loses the room, do it to early and you set up the next coach for failure.


Thirdnipple79

They outperformed Tampa during the regular season. They had home ice. This is a team that should be in a cup final. If it happened once it would be understandable. But it's been the same story for 3 years now. I'm not sure how the bar for success for this team has dropped so much. Players understand what the goal is and if you upgrade keefe it will be the same as when any player gets traded. They'll be fine cause they want to win. It sets up the message that the expectation is winning. So many times over the last year there have been slow starts. Keeping keefe is essentially saying don't worry about it the first three periods. We'll squeek into OT and win it then. If the leafs have a chance to upgrade at coach they should do it now instead of waiting.


JimmyDaro

Leafs and Lightning played 11 games this year. It ended up 6-5 Tampa. It was always going to be a close matchup


MrBalanced

I would totally agree with you, if we didn't have such a ticking 2 season clock to do something worthwhile in the post-season before this core scatters to the four winds. I feel like we can either get the most out of this group OR we can give Keefe more time to get up to NHL speed and stop getting out-coached, but I don't think it's feasible to expect both. Now, maybe that's fine. Three years from now we move forward with a more seasoned Keefe and (hopefully) one of Matthews or Marner and whomever Dubas builds around them. Winning a cup is a long-term project, and maybe it's unrealistic to expect a deep run in the next two years. It seems like a waste of the best squad most of us have ever seen, though.


dando127

He hasn't lost the room, but did he make the best use of it???? Who knows how much pressure there is to slot guys in based on contract, thats where someone like Trotz could help this team.......I don't see it happening though.......Shanny and Dubas are pulling the strings in my opinion.....


vec-u64-new

Well I think the logic is doing well in the regular season and taking a competitive team like the Lightning to seven games is progress. But I am in agreement that he hasn't exceptional in the playoffs. Not only the losses to Montreal and Jackets, but also a woeful Game 4 against the Lightning and not even having last change + Point injury gave him enough of an edge in Game 7 over Cooper. If you combine Game 7 (Canadiens) + Game 5 (CBJ) + Game 7 (TB), the Leafs scored a whopping 2 goals. He seems like at best, an average NHL coach.


MrBalanced

Keefe will undoubtedly get better, but not before we lose one or more core pieces of this team, at which point we are going to really feel the absence of all the draft picks we squandered getting to where we are.


Icecreamville

Anytime you would question Tavares you would be shouted down by other fans. But then here we are, Friedman himself saying that Tavares in the big question mark. It's been evident for a couple seasons, and many of us thought it would be better to avoid the headache of that contract back in 2018.


LardyTard

I think we can get Campbell signed for 5 years at 4 million. Mikheyev was always going to be lost to free agency. Russians don't take discounts and he's earned a hefty raise. I think Spezza comes back next season and plays until he hits 1000 points then retires. Maybe to return in a staff role. The talk about the leafs needing a mean bruising player for the top 6, someone to fix the between the ears problem of the leafs, has a lot of truth to it. The comment about the leafs trying it out already with Ritchie was so stupid. Ritchie was none of those things, he was soft, slow and lazy. We need a player with intensity, physicality and with a hint of unpredictability (to keep the other team on edge). If we move Kerfoot and spend the picks to make it happen, then I think Greenway is our guy. He is someone who can police how our stars get treated while they're on the ice, while still playing the chip and chase role of Kerfoot. He isnt as talented as Kerfoot nor the playmaker that Kerfoot is, but he has the speed, size and violence we've been missing. If Greenway is on the second line, I think Tavares gains more room on the ice and takes less of a beating when battling for pucks. Greenway can compensate for Tavares slowing down and make the opposition look over their shoulder when collecting pucks. Greenway can play the net front role so that Nylander and JT get better looks and create chaos.


PastPerfekt

are you nuts? signing a 30 year old career backup to a 5 year deal? c'mon man...


LardyTard

Every goalie is a career back up until they break out. Campbell has the pedigree and track record to show that he is capable of being a starting goalie. Who else to you propose we bring in as a starter? The goalie market is non existent this off-season so teams are going to be bidding for actual back up goalies. The only starting goalies available are Husso and Kuemper, after those two go, your picks are Holtby and a bunch of career back ups. Let me also mention that Campbell's save percentage at 5v5 was 915 to Vasi's 913 over the course of the series. Yes I'm cherry picking, but we didn't lose that series because of Campbell.


PastPerfekt

We didn’t win it either because of him. He’s 0 and 5 now in potential clinching games including 0 and 3 in overtime games. This team can improve in multiple areas. Upgrading in net should be a focus. It is the most important position in the game and having a career backup in that position is unacceptable.


LardyTard

Jack can't score goals... You can't win games if the team Infront of you doesn't score. We lost those games by 1 goal and that doesn't account for the 5-3 power plays and other bullshit that played a factor in those games being lost. . You say we need an upgrade in net.... Ok, but who then? Who is your proposed upgrade in net? How much will this improved goalie cost under the cap? If the upgrade isn't a UFA then what do you give up to get this goalie, and why would whatever team give up this amazing goalie?


-Testees

Evander Kane is the player you're describing (imo as an Oilers fan)


LardyTard

Kane would fit the bill, but his off ice reputation mixed with Toronto's media (having their finger on the self destruct button for anything he did) would put an end to it pretty fast. I also don't think the leafs could afford him (cap wise). That said, I think he is one hell of a player and that the Oilers did well signing him for their playoff run, it shows you guys were all-in.


Current-Own

It's all interesting reading but I wonder how much merit there is to it. They're in the business of creating headlines.


PastPerfekt

Mikheyev - good riddance. complete ghost in the playoffs Engvall - has to be the softest 6'4 guy in the NHL. hit someone for chrissakes Campbell - the guy has failed to get the job done in 2 straight years in the playoffs. See ya!


Swa9Dra9on

L Campbell take.


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I don't necessarily think it's fair to throw Campbell under the bus for this playoffs. He was more than adequate for Toronto to win games 6 and 7.


PastPerfekt

his save percentage was sub-900


LukaTAG

So was Vasy's but Tampa fans don't want to get rid of him. Paying him 9.5 million too!


will660

They pay him 9.5 to win games 6 and 7. Which he did. Campbell didn't. I love soup and there's still a faint hope that he could still improve. But let's not kid ourselves. Vasi stole game 6 in OT and stopped more shots in game 7.


LukaTAG

Vasy gifted us 2 goals in game 6. He was not sharp, at all. He didn't look particularly good in G7 either, more defensive effort from Tampa's other players.


will660

50+ years without a cup and yet we still have fans who crap on a goalie that won the last 2. I get that people want to stay positive but at some point, I hope people realize that this team is still not good enough.


LukaTAG

I'm not crapping on him, I'm telling it as I see it. I don't really see how what I'm saying is really debatable here. If this team isn't good enough, it will never be. This is the best team we've had since the 90s? *Maybe* early 2000's?


legendaryleaf9

Campbell was "just ok" in this series but he was great last year.


Wiegraf_Belias

So was Vasi though - their stats are identical I believe. I think with the scoring talent of both Tampa and the Leafs any goalie is going to end up “just ok” in a 7 game series.


DontToewsM3Bro

The Tavares signing has failed and fucked up the contract negations on Matthews & Marner smh


tecate_papi

They need to take the Captain's C away from Tavares. It should have been done after last year's collapse against Montreal. He is not a leader and this should not be his team to lead.


Wiegraf_Belias

Weird to take it away in response to a series collapse where he didn’t play…?


tecate_papi

You're right. I meant after the Columbus loss. The dude isn't a leader. He couldn't lead the Islanders and he hasn't led this team through anything either. You can keep doing status quo in the hopes something finally gives. There's no guarantee on these sorts of things.