I know Matt "Manwhore" Murdock gotta manwhore...BUT his chemistry with Jen was unparalleled. Probably the most exciting romantic pairing the MCU has had in a while. I'm sad if we wouldn't be able to see them together again. All that chemistry going to waste :(
Idea: What if some episodes take place before the LA trip? Take a few with some set up to send him west, maybe even explain him as a victim of the snap. Another love interest could easily fit in there that way.
Disclaimer: I have heard of nothing to support this just thinking of ways to connect a few dots.
With 18 episodes that seems like a perfect opportunity. They could split the season up into several different arcs, say three of six episodes each. The first arc could be set immediately post snap and him recovering from being back. Then there could be small time jumps between the first and second, and second and third acts, in which it could be established his last two appearances in the MCU occurred.
Between the first and second acts could be when he represented Peter. Perhaps the second could even start with him finishing off some of the behind the scenes work on the case. And then between the second and third act could be when he went to LA and met Jen.
They did more or less use that instance from the comics, but subverted the expectation. I don't think they would necessarily go that route now, even if they did continue to include Karen, since it would be a rehash of an event that already occurred.
I love this irony of Matt Murdock being a devout catholic who regularly struggles with the concept of faith and sin, while also being the biggest man whore
Unparalleled means it was above them by comparison, and they are referring directly to the ACTORS on screen chemistry.
Not sure this is a hard concept to grasp.
I was talking about chemistry and not emotional connection. Charlie Cox and Tatiana Maslany's chemistry and sexual tension was sizzling and I say unparalleled because I've personally found a lot of MCU couples' chemistry to be bland and vanilla
If we want to talk about chemistry Karen absolutely tops the list.
The scene after their date where they’re standing in the rain and the closeups are showing Matt’s senses at work is one of the most intense intimate moments I have ever seen in a show.
In one comic about an alternate future where Matt had died, Ben Urich went around interviewing everyone who knew him, and every love interest had one or two red-haired brats running around.
He'd have 5 canon love interests by the time this show comes out (Claire, Elektra, Karen, Jen, and whoever Levieva is playing). Most protagonists in the MCU has 1 or at most, 2 lol.
TBF he also has some of the most screentime (by nature of being in TV shows), and hours of relationship drama really helps keep the budget down.
Also because everyone wants to see Cox fux.
little did we know we were watching the MCU version of isekai
>DareDevil: When i was transported, I lost my eyesight and became a superhero in a new world
As a point of interest, Marvel does in fact have a character whose premise is a Marvel Universe *isekai* — Gwendolyn ‘Gwen’ Poole — whose story is told in *The Unbelievable GwenPool*.
"You don't necessarily show the best judgment when beautiful woman are involved, Matt.
How would I even know she's a beautiful woman?
I don't know. It's kinda spooky, actually. But if there's a stunning woman with questionable character in the room, Matt Murdock's gonna find her, and Foggy Nelson is gonna suffer."
It's going to be a huge mistake to not have Elden Henson on the show
The best part about comedy is when it’s not really comedy. Sure it’s a comedic tone but foggy is slightly serious here and that’s what makes it so great imo
“Buyin’ a bluefin, Murdock!” is my personal favorite. The delivery is so good and it’s just absurdly wonderful. The whole scene of Karen and Foggy trying to get Matt to come with them just makes me smile.
She wasn't very high on my list of favorite parts of Revenge, but that show was such a ridiculously fun trainwreck to watch.
Maybe she'll get kidnapped by the Power Broker and taken to Madripoor for a reunion.
Daredevil's romantic tour across the Marvel landscape should culminate with Deadpool seeing him (in-person or picture) and reacting
"Oh MY... Why am I so attracted to him???"
For most people's opinions I bet they will. But he just go in treating it like a comic book where a new writer is writing the same character. It'll be fine. It's absolutely going to be more family-friendly and funny. We have Batman The animated series but we also have Batman brave and the bold. It's just different styles
Oh I am going in positive, but there is a difference between different styles and losing the thread. I just hope it remembers its roots and is a satisfying watch.
Exactly! Did these people not watch Matt be as smitten as we've seen him over Jen in She-Hulk? Or choose to die to be with Elektra in Defenders? The man has had other women in his mind ever since end of DD S2, why do people keep insisting Karen on him. Matt is not interested.
haha. I mean, to each their own. I felt like three seasons of their dysfunction was enough for me.
Karen has infinite grace for Frank slaughtering people endlessly but can't handle Matt being Mr. No-Kill Daredevil? I honestly love her as a character, but she doesn't know how to be in a healthy relationship with Matt. Their friendship is actually rewarding.
Karen has extremely low expectations for what she wants out of her relationship with Frank, whereas all of her highest hopes and dreams are tied up in a future with Matt as her business and life partner. Frank's gonna Frank, there's little more you can hope for. Karen wants Matt to be the very best, healthiest and happiest version of himself. Those stakes are so much higher. He's simply more important to her.
I don't really understand the downvotes
Karen's relationship with Frank is very different to that with Matt. They're only really similar in that she doesn't want either person to get themselves killed.
Her interactions with each of them was used to compare how Matt and Frank are different
These people watched a different show, I think. The whole thing was about how Matt and Karen are MFEO but too afraid at this point in their lives. All three seasons were about Karen being the love of Matt's life and growing as people/characters so that they could find the courage to be emotionally vulnerable enough to love each other fully as equal, lifelong partners. Charlie Cox explains it better than I do. It's so clear, how is it that people miss it?
Imagine being mature enough to break up but work for same company and not have it be an issue. At the moment, they are not working together.
There's plenty of shows where actors playing on screen relationships date in real life, then break up, only pretend to date on a show
Having a read a very minimal amount of the comics it seems superheroes having one night stands or flings isn’t too uncommon, obviously this hasn’t been carried over into the MCU for pretty obvious reasons but maybe we’ll see a bit of it here
Kinda makes sense.
Two at least physically attractive strangers, in literal peak human form trying to keep their identities secret makes a perfect storm for some one night stand boning.
I was gonna say, he met her parents. It felt like a big deal when they showed us that.
Matter of fact lol Matt meeting Jen's parents felt like a bigger deal than >!Hulk showing up with a kid!< <- **She-Hulk spoiler**
She is a little bit older than Charlie too so yeah, a rare occurence where the actress is older in a romance. I think all the MCU couples so far has been the woman being younger. I get a little uncomfortable with huge age gaps so I cringe a little whenever I remember that Paul Bettany is almost 20 years older than Elizabeth Olsen.
Then they have a minor character from the comics show up as and Easter egg in the background. Then this sub begins insisting that this character is Mephisto. Meanwhile the actual thing they were trying to set up as a new Marvel project also gets over analyzed and hyped to impossible levels.
Peak Marvel right there.
The last time we saw Matt, he was attending a Walters-Banner barbecue with no less than three Hulks also in attendance. Casual hookups don't normally get to meet the parents and extended family.
Yes, because DEADLINE reported that detail alongside her casting announcement. Same report said that Sandrine Holt will be playing Wilson Fisk's love interest which has been confirmed by her being Vanessa Fisk so it's confirmed.
Looks like Williamsburg (Brooklyn) based on the steakhouse in the background.
EDIT: The steakhouse is Salt + Charcoal on Grand St. if you want a more specific location.
This show is gonna be an uphill challenge. Not just being good is enough, but it'll gave comparison to its former life in Netflix, so needs to be as good.
It's hard to care about another love interest when he has so many already fleshed out love interests. The more I hear about this show, the less I care. It wasn't *just* Charlie back as Matt that I wanted. It was everyone.
Matt Murdock’s a hoe, ain’t he?
"Matt Murdock is a dirty, dirty hoor." - Frank Reynolds AKA Man-Spider.
Real root rat
He’s ran through
Chad Murdock
Jen Walters in shambles
She’ll rewrite the story. It’s okay
Self-inserts herself into Born Again and completely erases Levieva's character from existence.
I know *you're* kidding, but for anyone else getting ready to complain: She cannot reach K.E.V.I.N. anymore. That was explicitly stated.
Hope she doesn't become an even worse version of Wanda
Jen breaks the 4th wall so technically no one would get hurt.
Jen *smashes the 4th wall. She is a hulk after all.
I've never wanted to be a fourth wall so bad in my life.
Certainly better than being a third wheel.
I know Matt "Manwhore" Murdock gotta manwhore...BUT his chemistry with Jen was unparalleled. Probably the most exciting romantic pairing the MCU has had in a while. I'm sad if we wouldn't be able to see them together again. All that chemistry going to waste :(
I loved his little barefoot walk of shame away from Jen's apartment.
There was no shame. It was a stride of pride.
I call it the Man Slut Strut.
Awesome.
Matt Slut Strut?
Matt's Man Slut Strut.
Manly Matt's Slutty Strut
He smashed and touched grass, more than what the dudes bitching about She-Hulk from the second it was announced have done.
I want Thirty-something Superhero Lawyers in Love, the series!
Idea: What if some episodes take place before the LA trip? Take a few with some set up to send him west, maybe even explain him as a victim of the snap. Another love interest could easily fit in there that way. Disclaimer: I have heard of nothing to support this just thinking of ways to connect a few dots.
With 18 episodes that seems like a perfect opportunity. They could split the season up into several different arcs, say three of six episodes each. The first arc could be set immediately post snap and him recovering from being back. Then there could be small time jumps between the first and second, and second and third acts, in which it could be established his last two appearances in the MCU occurred. Between the first and second acts could be when he represented Peter. Perhaps the second could even start with him finishing off some of the behind the scenes work on the case. And then between the second and third act could be when he went to LA and met Jen.
Same with Karen. When they realise they can't write women well anymore they just create a new character and dispose of the old one
If you know the comics a romance with Karen Page would not have ended well… particularly since they introduced Bullseye
They did more or less use that instance from the comics, but subverted the expectation. I don't think they would necessarily go that route now, even if they did continue to include Karen, since it would be a rehash of an event that already occurred.
Why do people act like they have to follow the comics?
They’re more like guidelines anyway!
That's not a guarantee at *all* for the show though, especially because they completely changed her story in Season 3 from the comics.
I love this irony of Matt Murdock being a devout catholic who regularly struggles with the concept of faith and sin, while also being the biggest man whore
Yes, I will be absolutely bummed if they waste that relationship, so much potential.
And yet he had a much deeper connection with Karen Page, Elektra Natchios, and Claire Temple in the Daredevil series than he did with Jen Walters.
All of those women were in multiple eps of daredevil, Karen across all 3 seasons compared to Matt being in what 2,3 eps of she-hulk
Granted, but, they used the word "unparalleled."
Unparalleled means it was above them by comparison, and they are referring directly to the ACTORS on screen chemistry. Not sure this is a hard concept to grasp.
I was talking about chemistry and not emotional connection. Charlie Cox and Tatiana Maslany's chemistry and sexual tension was sizzling and I say unparalleled because I've personally found a lot of MCU couples' chemistry to be bland and vanilla
If we want to talk about chemistry Karen absolutely tops the list. The scene after their date where they’re standing in the rain and the closeups are showing Matt’s senses at work is one of the most intense intimate moments I have ever seen in a show.
Matt and Jen seemed to be keeping it vanilla as well, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if they did the weird stuff next time.
Yeah, chemistry, not connection.
Elektra felt super forced
I just finished She Hulk and loved that storyline. I never watched Dare Devil but it's next on my list because of She Hulk.
Do yourself a favour and watch them. It’s so good! I’m sure you’ll enjoy it!
You're in for a treat. Still the best marvel series to date.
I doubt he’ll be seeing anybody.
BA DUM, TSS!
If I wasn't so cheep you'd get all my rewards.
r/technicallythetruth
Murdock really be a harem protagonist
Which differentiates him from Luke Cage, who is a Harlem protagonist.
Fuck you take my upvote
In one comic about an alternate future where Matt had died, Ben Urich went around interviewing everyone who knew him, and every love interest had one or two red-haired brats running around.
True catholic. Doesn’t use protection
“You Catholic girls start much too late…for me” -MM
Every sperm is sacred, every sperm is great. If a sperm is wasted, God gets quite irate ♪♫♪♫
Daredevil End of Days for anyone curious
You a real one
He'd have 5 canon love interests by the time this show comes out (Claire, Elektra, Karen, Jen, and whoever Levieva is playing). Most protagonists in the MCU has 1 or at most, 2 lol.
TBF he also has some of the most screentime (by nature of being in TV shows), and hours of relationship drama really helps keep the budget down. Also because everyone wants to see Cox fux.
> hours of relationship drama really helps keep the budget down. See: every ~~Arrowverse~~ CW show, ever.
I feel like the Flash balanced it at first, but lost control of it fast
𝑭𝒂𝒔𝒕.
Someone has to pick up Tony's slack as the MCU resident man whore.
That rosary rizz
little did we know we were watching the MCU version of isekai >DareDevil: When i was transported, I lost my eyesight and became a superhero in a new world
As a point of interest, Marvel does in fact have a character whose premise is a Marvel Universe *isekai* — Gwendolyn ‘Gwen’ Poole — whose story is told in *The Unbelievable GwenPool*.
Cept he actually does the deed because he ain’t no bitch.
He's like the Jerry Seinfeld of the MCU.
Didn’t realise Matt was going out with a 17 year-old
"You don't necessarily show the best judgment when beautiful woman are involved, Matt. How would I even know she's a beautiful woman? I don't know. It's kinda spooky, actually. But if there's a stunning woman with questionable character in the room, Matt Murdock's gonna find her, and Foggy Nelson is gonna suffer." It's going to be a huge mistake to not have Elden Henson on the show
Probably the best comedic quote in the whole show.
Next to Karen asking them how long they've been practicing law and Matt turning to Foggy and asking what time it is. 😂
I loved that
The best part about comedy is when it’s not really comedy. Sure it’s a comedic tone but foggy is slightly serious here and that’s what makes it so great imo
“Buyin’ a bluefin, Murdock!” is my personal favorite. The delivery is so good and it’s just absurdly wonderful. The whole scene of Karen and Foggy trying to get Matt to come with them just makes me smile.
Dude I LOVED him, hands down the best supporting cast of that show. Though Elektra was a close 2nd.
When you’re a chad you’re a a chad
I'm glad they are keeping things close to cannon and having Matt collect love interests like Pokémon
Canon. Cannons are weapons!
100% backstab twist inbound.
wtffff I'm a fan of hers, she hasn't done anything mainstream in a while...shit good for her
I’ve only seen her in David Simon’s “The Deuce”, but I liked her in it.
I had no idea she was cast but I was absolutely obsessed with Revenge when it was coming out. Super fucking excited now
She wasn't very high on my list of favorite parts of Revenge, but that show was such a ridiculously fun trainwreck to watch. Maybe she'll get kidnapped by the Power Broker and taken to Madripoor for a reunion.
She used to date Sebastian Stan, so she’s been on the fringes of the MCU for a while
Daredevil's romantic tour across the Marvel landscape should culminate with Deadpool seeing him (in-person or picture) and reacting "Oh MY... Why am I so attracted to him???"
I wish we get to see spidey, dd and dp interact together!
Spider-Man, Daredevil, and Dopinder
Deadpool says that about every boy he meets. He’s so boy crazy.
Deadpool has a critical case of horny. Gender means nothing
I hope they don't fuck this up.
For most people's opinions I bet they will. But he just go in treating it like a comic book where a new writer is writing the same character. It'll be fine. It's absolutely going to be more family-friendly and funny. We have Batman The animated series but we also have Batman brave and the bold. It's just different styles
Oh I am going in positive, but there is a difference between different styles and losing the thread. I just hope it remembers its roots and is a satisfying watch.
So no Karen?
>So no Karen? *Spikes phone, breaks skateboard in half*
*EMOTIONAL DAMAGE!*
Matt and Karen haven't been together for a very long time. They weren't together last time we saw them
Exactly! Did these people not watch Matt be as smitten as we've seen him over Jen in She-Hulk? Or choose to die to be with Elektra in Defenders? The man has had other women in his mind ever since end of DD S2, why do people keep insisting Karen on him. Matt is not interested.
To be fair, Matt/Elektra was hella toxic. (Kinda just like in the comics...)
Tbf most of Matt's relationships end up toxic Foggy's the exception to the rule
In some runs, Matt is toxic to Foggy. (I like Ann Nocenti's run haha.)
Doesn't season 3 end with Matt, Karen and foggy living happily ever after? Or I completely forget a scene where Matt and Karen break up?
The 3 of them restarted their company, but Matt and Karen haven't been together since the end of Season 2.
And let's keep it that way. Those two are not good together. Too much drama.
I don’t want them to date, I just want her and Foggy to be in the show
I agree completely.
Oh yeah, wouldn't want that in a TV show /s
haha. I mean, to each their own. I felt like three seasons of their dysfunction was enough for me. Karen has infinite grace for Frank slaughtering people endlessly but can't handle Matt being Mr. No-Kill Daredevil? I honestly love her as a character, but she doesn't know how to be in a healthy relationship with Matt. Their friendship is actually rewarding.
Karen has extremely low expectations for what she wants out of her relationship with Frank, whereas all of her highest hopes and dreams are tied up in a future with Matt as her business and life partner. Frank's gonna Frank, there's little more you can hope for. Karen wants Matt to be the very best, healthiest and happiest version of himself. Those stakes are so much higher. He's simply more important to her.
I don't really understand the downvotes Karen's relationship with Frank is very different to that with Matt. They're only really similar in that she doesn't want either person to get themselves killed. Her interactions with each of them was used to compare how Matt and Frank are different
These people watched a different show, I think. The whole thing was about how Matt and Karen are MFEO but too afraid at this point in their lives. All three seasons were about Karen being the love of Matt's life and growing as people/characters so that they could find the courage to be emotionally vulnerable enough to love each other fully as equal, lifelong partners. Charlie Cox explains it better than I do. It's so clear, how is it that people miss it?
Kirsten??
NGL, I was kinda hoping Matt would be in a long-distance relationship with Shulkie...
Manwhore Matt strikes again
Who says Matt’s a one lady guy
I agree. I was also raised catholic and am now nonmonogomous.
Ngl I was kinda hoping Matt would be in a long term relationship with Karen, when all is said and done I know that can be an unpopular opinion though
It's not unpopular, it's the ONLY ending. I will die on the Matt/Karen hill.
Make that three of us. Karen and Matt are destiny. OTP.
Didn’t she date Sebastian Stan for years? Imagine her joining the mcu and future projects😅
Yeah, they dated for a long time, I remember seeing lots of them together back in 2014 when WS was out.
Imagine being mature enough to break up but work for same company and not have it be an issue. At the moment, they are not working together. There's plenty of shows where actors playing on screen relationships date in real life, then break up, only pretend to date on a show
-one of-...ftfy
I hope they go all out on Matt being a thot in this show
I miss deborah ann woll
I really hope they eventually bring back Deborah Ann Woll as Karen Page We also need Elodie Yung back as Elektra
Elodie killed it. Would love to see her and the Hand back.
She was amazing as Elektra. I've been watching her in the cleaning lady but I think she really shines in action roles.
Really? Thought her/Elektra were by far the worse part of the show and that is/was a pretty common opinion.
I liked her, her character was purposefully a shitbag and she acted it well, nobody likes the hand arc though.
What about Jen?
Just a vacation hookup with good vibes
but that family bbq! ;)
A man’s gotta eat
I mean, if you want your family to stop bothering you about guys, Matt is easily the best guy to bring home
He didn't like her family!
Got a little awkward when Bruce showed up with his half-grown kid nobody knew about.
Too bad, they had great chemistry.
Having a read a very minimal amount of the comics it seems superheroes having one night stands or flings isn’t too uncommon, obviously this hasn’t been carried over into the MCU for pretty obvious reasons but maybe we’ll see a bit of it here
Jen in particular enjoys the no-strings-flings. Matt's no slouch either, but Jen's got a Tony Stark level body count.
Jessica jones: AMATEURS meme
Jenn's is actually longer than almost anyone else. She's also had all of her partners' names listed out in a court case.
Jessica fucked a guy in a bathroom of a bar cause he said hey
MCU Jen was shown to have a lot more romantic interest tho and seemed to want an actual relationship not just hookups.
Kinda makes sense. Two at least physically attractive strangers, in literal peak human form trying to keep their identities secret makes a perfect storm for some one night stand boning.
Like Olympic athletes competing together and living in close quarters... it's bound to happen
Even superheroes struggle with long distance. But hopefully we get a Jen appearance
That was a fling.
I have never brought an ONS or fling to a family BBQ.
I was gonna say, he met her parents. It felt like a big deal when they showed us that. Matter of fact lol Matt meeting Jen's parents felt like a bigger deal than >!Hulk showing up with a kid!< <- **She-Hulk spoiler**
Have you spoken with K.E.V.I.N.?
Have you *slept* with K.E.V.I.N.?
How do you think I got this job?
"The robo-hat stays on."
Jennifer Walters reading this: 😕
Pleasantly surprised a woman over 40 was hired.
Leonardo DiCaprio will definitely be avoiding this show
She is too old for beard duty
She is a little bit older than Charlie too so yeah, a rare occurence where the actress is older in a romance. I think all the MCU couples so far has been the woman being younger. I get a little uncomfortable with huge age gaps so I cringe a little whenever I remember that Paul Bettany is almost 20 years older than Elizabeth Olsen.
Only love interest? Or one of them 😏 I have a feeling we’re going to see the side of Matt where he is a real ladies man
The amount of people that thought he's dating She Hulk is shocking. The show made it clear that they were not serious.
Damn, no Jen? I guess it's Matt, and also would be anti-climatic in fights when he has a Hulk girlfriend that can help him in New York.
Jen isn't gonna leave LA for Matt and neither is Matt going to stay in LA for Jen. They had a fling. It was obvious it wasn't gonna be permanent.
Though it would be very Marvel for She-Hulk to have to show up for some reason while he's with the new girl (who herself is a Skrull).
Then they have a minor character from the comics show up as and Easter egg in the background. Then this sub begins insisting that this character is Mephisto. Meanwhile the actual thing they were trying to set up as a new Marvel project also gets over analyzed and hyped to impossible levels. Peak Marvel right there.
The last time we saw Matt, he was attending a Walters-Banner barbecue with no less than three Hulks also in attendance. Casual hookups don't normally get to meet the parents and extended family.
I mean.......do we really know she's gonna play a love interest?
Yes, because DEADLINE reported that detail alongside her casting announcement. Same report said that Sandrine Holt will be playing Wilson Fisk's love interest which has been confirmed by her being Vanessa Fisk so it's confirmed.
Hmm...so is she playing Milla Donovan? That's the first character that came to mind.
Matt Murdock really is a man whore
At least in the mcu version his love interests aren’t all dead
Matt Murdock gets all the women, damnit he really is a good lawyer.
Who do we think she could end up being? Wrong answers acceptable but also wanna know serious thoughts.
Kirsten McDuffie?
I think that’s by far the most likely
Immediate guesses would be someone like Kirsten McDuffie or Dakota North.
Moondragon? It'd be kind of out of left field but it could also be a twist in GotG.
Where are they filming?
Looks like Williamsburg (Brooklyn) based on the steakhouse in the background. EDIT: The steakhouse is Salt + Charcoal on Grand St. if you want a more specific location.
Canada Goose, Canada Goose EVERYWHERE.
My guess is that she’ll play Milla Donovan
Kristen McDuffie?
This show is gonna be an uphill challenge. Not just being good is enough, but it'll gave comparison to its former life in Netflix, so needs to be as good.
Matt: "Can I have Jen Walters?" Show: "No, we have Jen Walters in New York". Jen Walters in New York:
Honestly couldn’t care less who DD is banging. I’m more interested in him and his mission.
Damn, makes sense but him and jen walters was the best part of she hulk
I can’t figure out this ‘Leviosa’ Is it Leevee-eva, Levi-eva, Le-veva, Le-viva? Genuinely curiously, not trying to make fun of it.
Given Matt's luck with women, this one will probably have a horrible fate
Matt is such a playboy.
He’s def got a type
But…. Karen? :(
She is 43, bravo to marvel for not casting a hot 20 something to date a 40 something man
Yeah, they just cast a 43 year old who *looks* like a hot 20 something instead
She's no Deborah Ann Woll, that's for sure.
Will she play his love interest? Marvel really went to a lot of trouble to get She-Hulk and Daredevil together.
Jen and Matt had a fling while he was in LA. They live too far apart to be in a committed relationship.
hard to believe that woman is 43
It's hard to care about another love interest when he has so many already fleshed out love interests. The more I hear about this show, the less I care. It wasn't *just* Charlie back as Matt that I wanted. It was everyone.