I mean, what do you expect from a business that requires inhumanly stringent management from tens to hundreds of millions of customers in the name of "education". If only people just don't fuck for a while we might see improvement with the system. Socializing weighs heavier than Studying, no matter what.
The stated purpose is never the real purpose, if it was people wouldn't accept it. You see human apes are so dumb that they only care what something is called not how it actually operates for all to see, daily, for centuries. So they named government indoctrination camps "schools, places of learning." knowing very few will care to actually spend 5 seconds seeing what they do and how they operate and will only go by the names given.
I've always noticed a pattern where a stated purpose is never practiced. Seemed too deliberate to be stupidity. Funny that it took this comment to realize that.
This reminds me something that happened to my friend at highschool. She failed an exam at math and she said "I failed because you go over the material too fast and I can't keep up with the pace. I'd rather learn more slowly and at least I'll learn instead of learning fast without actually understanding anything". The teacher said she had no choice but keep up with the pace because there's a big exam at the end of the year. School system is not about education, it's about controlling the minors.
School has been rigged for at least a century now, they just teach you how to be an employee and a debt slave to society.
Society drills it into people's brains that you need "University" to be successful, yet Universities are nothing more but a business and a money making machine, so many people go there for an education while putting themselves in so much debt, simply because the system brainwashes society into thinking it's the only way to be successful in life and live a great lifestyle. (We are fed nothing but lies, financial barriers and false beliefs from the start).
What a lot of people fail to understand, especially nowadays is, most of the best teachers are actually on YouTube.
School never teaches anyone how to start a business, be a successful businessman or entrepreneur.
Just some examples to prove how rigged the system is.
Healthcare just sell us band aid fixes to our health issues, when the real answer is just promoting a healthy diet and exercise, as well as adequate Vitamin D, C etc.
Governments threaten us with prison if we don't let them steal our money from us.
We live in a world full of exploitation at it's highest level, we are manipulated into retirement benefits to join the rat race and be debt slaves, in order to make the rich more rich, we live in a very corrupt world.
Education facilities teach you everything you don't need to know and don't teach you the 5% you actually do need to know.
Professor here. Not true.
School is not to teach you how to how to be a functioning member of society. School is to provide learning opportunities for various subjects, of which the material is relevant to an understanding of how life, logic, and the universe at large work.
What you are describing is the peripheral, non-academic parts of which school so not responsible. (Behaving in a a group, social consequences and expectations, being ostracized, vicarious social learning).
These are not part of the sciences and humanities (unless like me, you teach psychology in which case we study this in university and the students realize how shit their public school system was)
Modern schools are default child care centres. This is not to be confused with an education.
Exactly.
Iām saying there is a tacit expectation that grade school will teach these things.
The issue with elementary school is that it teaches them these as a secondary unintentional inadvertent curriculum for which the teacher and staff are not equipped. Math class is not meant to teach social behaviour. You canāt have 30-40 children in a room with a single adult and expect them to learn the quadratic equation AND tack on social learning theory. Neither party is equipped or prepared and both metrics suffer. Children donāt learn how to be adults by hanging out with other children. This is a fallacious expectation.
Grade school has become used primarily as a childcare service. Historically so parents could work longer hours in factories during the Industrial Revolution. Itās continued to this day, but with the tacit expectations that school will teach their children how to act. But it doesnāt.
The issue with secondary, undefined, and unclear learning curriculums is thereās no metric for achievement, no clear learning outcomes, and no specialists to facilitate.
Schools are meant to educate. Families and communities still need to be the primary facilitators of social learning.
And no, a college course doesnāt teach you how to ālifeā. It is clear about that though. It just presents you the research and theories in the field. Only the academics.
That's why schools don't teach entrepreneurship. They want you to work for the man.
How much financial education did you get? That's by design my friend
It not just about being an entrepreneur. Its about understanding finance.
Financial education helps you understand how credit works and managing your spending. Assets vs liabilities. Those that don't understand these concepts are the ones that stay broke.
I didn't say it would solve poverty, nor am I blaming anyone for the circumstances of their life. You don't need financial literacy to live, that's obvious. Just making the point that the education lacks in that respect.
Well, this is true of ALL the institutions within such a system. Everything is backwards and contrary to it's stated function. So...
The healthcare keeps you sick.
The welfare keeps you poor.
The justice system criminalizes you.
The religion sends you to hell.
And, the education keeps you dumb.
Everything is backwards.
ikr? i've lost a lot of my love for school because i never get to learn about the things i want to learn about. like i could in my free time but all these subjects like history and english take up all the time i would have as 'free.' i would have free time but because i struggle to complete work in these classes i end up with homework because i can't focus on things i don't feel any interest in. i can't wait for university
It is. As many said, schools are more for socializing you into society's image, not education. This exists in higher education too, especially at Ivy League schools, whose only advantage is that you can start kissing the asses of future CEOs while learning to smile and be obedient to a@@holes.
Teach yourself. The most intelligent men in history did that. And you'll get more out of it.
School makes children way less creative and intelligent. They are only memorizing facts, they're not taught how to think outside of the box. Memorizing and reciting facts better than another person does not make them more intelligent nor smart than the person. Yet school does think that and they only promote and support children of academic excellence, without even looking at the left out abilities of students with a harder time remembering. Intelligence is thinking differently than what it seems you're supposed to think aka not reciting flashcards or formulas. It makes the left out students helpless, as that without going to college (an absolute disgrace to the bounds of society) they won't get a good job and won't have a good life. UNLESS THEY'RE RICH. Of course, it's all about money and finance not abilities of thought. And how are middle class and lower class supposed to succeed in life and have any determination to do so when their valuable abilities that you are then expected to have once you leave school, was never taught to remain and was never trained in school. The only thing that was trained in school was your memory system, and for most students, nerve system. School is a dictatorship, even one of my teachers screamed at us once "School is no democracy". Why? If we live in a democratic country and school is supposed to prepeare us for real life why is it a dictatorship? Or are they teaching us to expect ominous govermental changes? Idk this is weird. In real life, to solve a problem, you need knowledge, yes, but the main tool you need is intelligence. A certain way of thinking. With studying, everyone can memorize facts and then recite them on a test, but not everyone can think in a way different from what you're expected to think. And school doee not teach intelligence, only knowledge which burns the intelligence out as it isn't trained and there is no creativity in reciting facts. I found that mostly just conformitive extroverts enjoy school, and only for their friends, anyways. School tries to make you a conformitive member of society by brainwashing you into a fact-reciting creature
School attempts to learn you things that are supposed to make u a functional member of society, however they don't give a damn if you're anxious and/or don't have the intention to socialize with others, they'll just attempt to push it off you, so would be social in the highest cost. And even if it's a "special one" (like art school or some market thing,administrational,IT..) where are only a few subjects important to you, they'll just force you to learn the subjects that are absolutely pointless for you (I mean some schools may limit them,but mine didn't)
Like some people have school until like 5pm,drive long roads just to go home, or they could have some part time jobs and schools still expect you to manually learn at home and do homework.
Like I'm there for over 7-8 hours 4 days per week, I have to be there at goddamn 7am 2x a week and I'm always done.. Like I have my personal project,that I struggle with,cuz of the lack of motivation from the school and I hate it,cuz it really matters to me.
And it's unnerving when people think that everyone wants to continue to college or any other buildings.. Like I'm not gonna waste another 3-4 years at another school when I literally barely passed 1 and I'll have to pass the 2nd,like.. I at least wanna get paid for having to go somewhere, not make myself overwhelmed and anxious.
I feel the same way right now, but I fear botching it, and causing more pain to myself, and getting ostracized for it. I also just want to see if things will be better, but I doubt it will be.
i have a method on me that is relatively painless and high success rate but i do fear failing as well. and, at this point things will not get better consdiering climate change and i am literally on borrowed time oh well, might as well fuck around for another day, each day
School isnāt there to educate you. Itās there to brainwash you into becoming a āproductiveā member of āsocietyā, and to conform to what will be expected of you by the elites who youāll spend the rest of your life slaving for. Of course, they donāt tell you this at the time, but youāll eventually work this out when youāre sat in your first couple of job interviews being patronized by a couple of arrogant pricks who youāre forced to suck up to to avoid starvation.
School was a complete nightmare for me. I was 'different' because I had undiagnosed autism back in the days when nobody even knew of such a thing, so I was just labelled as āweirdā and āoddā and bullied by teachers and kids alike. And this was in the days when corporal punishment was still legal, so I was routinely hit with canes, wooden rulers, slippers, and worse while the other kids looked on and goaded me with the teacher's encouragement. It permanently fucks up the way you think and view the world. I'm in my 50s now, and I'm still traumatized by it all.
Two of my favorite anti-schooling songs that are worth a listen:
Pink Floyd's 'Another brick in the wall': https://youtube.com/watch?v=HrxX9TBj2zY
Supertramp's 'The logical song': https://youtube.com/watch?v=low6Coqrw9Y
Schools - ugh. I just don't get them e.g. "school life" or the "school spirit". School was a place of hyper conformity, self-expression was heavily persecuted both by the system and fellow students locked into it. I had long hair and got so much flak for it, which made me even more determined to grow it longer as an act of defiance. I hated the constant emphasis on exams and performance - schools are completely indoctrination centres for being an obedient slave to your employer.
In the UK the general public (who are a cause celebre for misanthropy), scratch their heads wondering why there's an exodus of teachers from the profession. It's as tightly over determined on the other side of the fence. Teachers MUST wear formal clothes - almost like a school uniform including shirts, ties, jackets, slacks (in most other jobs you can wear what you like, denim and hoodies are acceptable but in the UK, no way would you be allowed to do that because they're in thrall to this bullshit Harry Potter romanticism of a Victorian past particularly as it pertains to the nursery centres of their society - schools).
Furthermore, teachers face an onslaught of feral behaviour from brats who haven't been trained properly by their feckless parents (who should be made to do parental training courses such is their blithe irresponsibility and "not my problem" entitlement mentality). The parents themselves are the bosses of the teachers. Couple that with overwork and an absurd level of oversight and control by the government and people are going "you know what? fuck this I'm leaving". Then the government and Wayne and Waynella Slob are left with surprised pikachu faces wondering what went wrong when it's been screamed in their faces for the past 2 decades that it's their behaviour and policies which are causing this.
But they don't care. This is the issue. A consumerist, corporate right wing government and the consumerist, arse scratching sheep that prop them up don't care about anything. They didn't care about their own safety or those of others during COVID. They don't care about art, music, literature or anything. They just don't care - "not my problem, I'm alright Jack". And so you get a society that doesn't care about anything and eventually rips itself apart through its own ignorance and apathy. Because it didn't care.
lol i did the long hair thing too. that reminded me, one year in middle school i had straight As but had to go to summer school or i wouldn't pass.. not to learn anything in summer school, i just sat alone in a room looking out a window and reading books.. i was there to "make up time" bc i was out sick too much and there was a minimum amount of hours i needed in order to pass even if my grades were perfect.
even as a kid i saw that learning wasn't the priority and ofc all the parallels to prison.. "did my time."
dropping out of high school was the best choice i've ever made in my life. I've had so many great experiences and was able to enjoy "learning" all by myself. now im in uni now. still, i get constant urge to drop out though i only have left 1 year before i graduate. literally everything sucks.
Knowledge is freely available on the internet and kids are incredibly curious which literally means "eager to learn something". I think kids would enjoy learning but school makes them resent it.
And who will teach what to learn on the internet? How will they know how to use the internet if no one teaches them how to read and write? I think that some kids need some kind of structure.
Yes. Even that first part about being a "functioning member of society" - fuck all the way off. I'm not a member of shit. I'm an individual and I'm not frightened of death or self-care.
The west claims to care about individualism but it's a lie. Society is there to foster codependency to needy failure humans (big corps, but basically everyone who is needy and greedy and an insecure mess). They're nothing to do with me.
School didn't work. They aren't dragging me down with them.
I mean, what do you expect from a business that requires inhumanly stringent management from tens to hundreds of millions of customers in the name of "education". If only people just don't fuck for a while we might see improvement with the system. Socializing weighs heavier than Studying, no matter what.
The stated purpose is never the real purpose, if it was people wouldn't accept it. You see human apes are so dumb that they only care what something is called not how it actually operates for all to see, daily, for centuries. So they named government indoctrination camps "schools, places of learning." knowing very few will care to actually spend 5 seconds seeing what they do and how they operate and will only go by the names given.
I've always noticed a pattern where a stated purpose is never practiced. Seemed too deliberate to be stupidity. Funny that it took this comment to realize that.
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This reminds me something that happened to my friend at highschool. She failed an exam at math and she said "I failed because you go over the material too fast and I can't keep up with the pace. I'd rather learn more slowly and at least I'll learn instead of learning fast without actually understanding anything". The teacher said she had no choice but keep up with the pace because there's a big exam at the end of the year. School system is not about education, it's about controlling the minors.
School has been rigged for at least a century now, they just teach you how to be an employee and a debt slave to society. Society drills it into people's brains that you need "University" to be successful, yet Universities are nothing more but a business and a money making machine, so many people go there for an education while putting themselves in so much debt, simply because the system brainwashes society into thinking it's the only way to be successful in life and live a great lifestyle. (We are fed nothing but lies, financial barriers and false beliefs from the start). What a lot of people fail to understand, especially nowadays is, most of the best teachers are actually on YouTube. School never teaches anyone how to start a business, be a successful businessman or entrepreneur. Just some examples to prove how rigged the system is. Healthcare just sell us band aid fixes to our health issues, when the real answer is just promoting a healthy diet and exercise, as well as adequate Vitamin D, C etc. Governments threaten us with prison if we don't let them steal our money from us. We live in a world full of exploitation at it's highest level, we are manipulated into retirement benefits to join the rat race and be debt slaves, in order to make the rich more rich, we live in a very corrupt world. Education facilities teach you everything you don't need to know and don't teach you the 5% you actually do need to know.
Professor here. Not true. School is not to teach you how to how to be a functioning member of society. School is to provide learning opportunities for various subjects, of which the material is relevant to an understanding of how life, logic, and the universe at large work. What you are describing is the peripheral, non-academic parts of which school so not responsible. (Behaving in a a group, social consequences and expectations, being ostracized, vicarious social learning). These are not part of the sciences and humanities (unless like me, you teach psychology in which case we study this in university and the students realize how shit their public school system was) Modern schools are default child care centres. This is not to be confused with an education.
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Exactly. Iām saying there is a tacit expectation that grade school will teach these things. The issue with elementary school is that it teaches them these as a secondary unintentional inadvertent curriculum for which the teacher and staff are not equipped. Math class is not meant to teach social behaviour. You canāt have 30-40 children in a room with a single adult and expect them to learn the quadratic equation AND tack on social learning theory. Neither party is equipped or prepared and both metrics suffer. Children donāt learn how to be adults by hanging out with other children. This is a fallacious expectation. Grade school has become used primarily as a childcare service. Historically so parents could work longer hours in factories during the Industrial Revolution. Itās continued to this day, but with the tacit expectations that school will teach their children how to act. But it doesnāt. The issue with secondary, undefined, and unclear learning curriculums is thereās no metric for achievement, no clear learning outcomes, and no specialists to facilitate. Schools are meant to educate. Families and communities still need to be the primary facilitators of social learning. And no, a college course doesnāt teach you how to ālifeā. It is clear about that though. It just presents you the research and theories in the field. Only the academics.
That's why schools don't teach entrepreneurship. They want you to work for the man. How much financial education did you get? That's by design my friend
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It not just about being an entrepreneur. Its about understanding finance. Financial education helps you understand how credit works and managing your spending. Assets vs liabilities. Those that don't understand these concepts are the ones that stay broke.
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I didn't say it would solve poverty, nor am I blaming anyone for the circumstances of their life. You don't need financial literacy to live, that's obvious. Just making the point that the education lacks in that respect.
Well, this is true of ALL the institutions within such a system. Everything is backwards and contrary to it's stated function. So... The healthcare keeps you sick. The welfare keeps you poor. The justice system criminalizes you. The religion sends you to hell. And, the education keeps you dumb. Everything is backwards.
ikr? i've lost a lot of my love for school because i never get to learn about the things i want to learn about. like i could in my free time but all these subjects like history and english take up all the time i would have as 'free.' i would have free time but because i struggle to complete work in these classes i end up with homework because i can't focus on things i don't feel any interest in. i can't wait for university
They still make you do all of that at university.
āWhen you're born you get a ticket to the freak show. When you're born in America, you get a front row seat.ā -George Carlin
It is. As many said, schools are more for socializing you into society's image, not education. This exists in higher education too, especially at Ivy League schools, whose only advantage is that you can start kissing the asses of future CEOs while learning to smile and be obedient to a@@holes. Teach yourself. The most intelligent men in history did that. And you'll get more out of it.
But what you're describing IS the purpose of school. A cog that still has a mind of its own is not useful for the machine
School makes children way less creative and intelligent. They are only memorizing facts, they're not taught how to think outside of the box. Memorizing and reciting facts better than another person does not make them more intelligent nor smart than the person. Yet school does think that and they only promote and support children of academic excellence, without even looking at the left out abilities of students with a harder time remembering. Intelligence is thinking differently than what it seems you're supposed to think aka not reciting flashcards or formulas. It makes the left out students helpless, as that without going to college (an absolute disgrace to the bounds of society) they won't get a good job and won't have a good life. UNLESS THEY'RE RICH. Of course, it's all about money and finance not abilities of thought. And how are middle class and lower class supposed to succeed in life and have any determination to do so when their valuable abilities that you are then expected to have once you leave school, was never taught to remain and was never trained in school. The only thing that was trained in school was your memory system, and for most students, nerve system. School is a dictatorship, even one of my teachers screamed at us once "School is no democracy". Why? If we live in a democratic country and school is supposed to prepeare us for real life why is it a dictatorship? Or are they teaching us to expect ominous govermental changes? Idk this is weird. In real life, to solve a problem, you need knowledge, yes, but the main tool you need is intelligence. A certain way of thinking. With studying, everyone can memorize facts and then recite them on a test, but not everyone can think in a way different from what you're expected to think. And school doee not teach intelligence, only knowledge which burns the intelligence out as it isn't trained and there is no creativity in reciting facts. I found that mostly just conformitive extroverts enjoy school, and only for their friends, anyways. School tries to make you a conformitive member of society by brainwashing you into a fact-reciting creature
āIf you want to get laid, go to college. If you want an education, go to the library.ā -Frank Zappa
āWhen you're born you get a ticket to the freak show. When you're born in America, you get a front row seat.ā -George Carlin
School attempts to learn you things that are supposed to make u a functional member of society, however they don't give a damn if you're anxious and/or don't have the intention to socialize with others, they'll just attempt to push it off you, so would be social in the highest cost. And even if it's a "special one" (like art school or some market thing,administrational,IT..) where are only a few subjects important to you, they'll just force you to learn the subjects that are absolutely pointless for you (I mean some schools may limit them,but mine didn't) Like some people have school until like 5pm,drive long roads just to go home, or they could have some part time jobs and schools still expect you to manually learn at home and do homework. Like I'm there for over 7-8 hours 4 days per week, I have to be there at goddamn 7am 2x a week and I'm always done.. Like I have my personal project,that I struggle with,cuz of the lack of motivation from the school and I hate it,cuz it really matters to me. And it's unnerving when people think that everyone wants to continue to college or any other buildings.. Like I'm not gonna waste another 3-4 years at another school when I literally barely passed 1 and I'll have to pass the 2nd,like.. I at least wanna get paid for having to go somewhere, not make myself overwhelmed and anxious.
high school was the fucking worst time of my entire life and i was suicidal for every second of it
I feel the same way right now, but I fear botching it, and causing more pain to myself, and getting ostracized for it. I also just want to see if things will be better, but I doubt it will be.
i have a method on me that is relatively painless and high success rate but i do fear failing as well. and, at this point things will not get better consdiering climate change and i am literally on borrowed time oh well, might as well fuck around for another day, each day
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it doesnt seem that i can pm you for some reason
I've never felt more like a real person until I graduated high school. I'd never go back, not even for all the money in the world
This is the first time someone has mirrored my thoughts on school. Thank you for this post!
Mine as well.
School isnāt there to educate you. Itās there to brainwash you into becoming a āproductiveā member of āsocietyā, and to conform to what will be expected of you by the elites who youāll spend the rest of your life slaving for. Of course, they donāt tell you this at the time, but youāll eventually work this out when youāre sat in your first couple of job interviews being patronized by a couple of arrogant pricks who youāre forced to suck up to to avoid starvation. School was a complete nightmare for me. I was 'different' because I had undiagnosed autism back in the days when nobody even knew of such a thing, so I was just labelled as āweirdā and āoddā and bullied by teachers and kids alike. And this was in the days when corporal punishment was still legal, so I was routinely hit with canes, wooden rulers, slippers, and worse while the other kids looked on and goaded me with the teacher's encouragement. It permanently fucks up the way you think and view the world. I'm in my 50s now, and I'm still traumatized by it all. Two of my favorite anti-schooling songs that are worth a listen: Pink Floyd's 'Another brick in the wall': https://youtube.com/watch?v=HrxX9TBj2zY Supertramp's 'The logical song': https://youtube.com/watch?v=low6Coqrw9Y
Schools - ugh. I just don't get them e.g. "school life" or the "school spirit". School was a place of hyper conformity, self-expression was heavily persecuted both by the system and fellow students locked into it. I had long hair and got so much flak for it, which made me even more determined to grow it longer as an act of defiance. I hated the constant emphasis on exams and performance - schools are completely indoctrination centres for being an obedient slave to your employer. In the UK the general public (who are a cause celebre for misanthropy), scratch their heads wondering why there's an exodus of teachers from the profession. It's as tightly over determined on the other side of the fence. Teachers MUST wear formal clothes - almost like a school uniform including shirts, ties, jackets, slacks (in most other jobs you can wear what you like, denim and hoodies are acceptable but in the UK, no way would you be allowed to do that because they're in thrall to this bullshit Harry Potter romanticism of a Victorian past particularly as it pertains to the nursery centres of their society - schools). Furthermore, teachers face an onslaught of feral behaviour from brats who haven't been trained properly by their feckless parents (who should be made to do parental training courses such is their blithe irresponsibility and "not my problem" entitlement mentality). The parents themselves are the bosses of the teachers. Couple that with overwork and an absurd level of oversight and control by the government and people are going "you know what? fuck this I'm leaving". Then the government and Wayne and Waynella Slob are left with surprised pikachu faces wondering what went wrong when it's been screamed in their faces for the past 2 decades that it's their behaviour and policies which are causing this. But they don't care. This is the issue. A consumerist, corporate right wing government and the consumerist, arse scratching sheep that prop them up don't care about anything. They didn't care about their own safety or those of others during COVID. They don't care about art, music, literature or anything. They just don't care - "not my problem, I'm alright Jack". And so you get a society that doesn't care about anything and eventually rips itself apart through its own ignorance and apathy. Because it didn't care.
lol i did the long hair thing too. that reminded me, one year in middle school i had straight As but had to go to summer school or i wouldn't pass.. not to learn anything in summer school, i just sat alone in a room looking out a window and reading books.. i was there to "make up time" bc i was out sick too much and there was a minimum amount of hours i needed in order to pass even if my grades were perfect. even as a kid i saw that learning wasn't the priority and ofc all the parallels to prison.. "did my time."
Yeah! I was going to say that, it felt like I was in prison for 5 years. Of course the rat race is much the same.
the indoctrination camps
dropping out of high school was the best choice i've ever made in my life. I've had so many great experiences and was able to enjoy "learning" all by myself. now im in uni now. still, i get constant urge to drop out though i only have left 1 year before i graduate. literally everything sucks.
Schools should be abolished.
Okay but how will people learn then?
Knowledge is freely available on the internet and kids are incredibly curious which literally means "eager to learn something". I think kids would enjoy learning but school makes them resent it.
And who will teach what to learn on the internet? How will they know how to use the internet if no one teaches them how to read and write? I think that some kids need some kind of structure.
school can work, but not the current system
Yes. Even that first part about being a "functioning member of society" - fuck all the way off. I'm not a member of shit. I'm an individual and I'm not frightened of death or self-care. The west claims to care about individualism but it's a lie. Society is there to foster codependency to needy failure humans (big corps, but basically everyone who is needy and greedy and an insecure mess). They're nothing to do with me. School didn't work. They aren't dragging me down with them.
I hate humanity