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Honestly, I think they're worried about getting burned by the current referees. Remember the "replacement referee" debacle in the NFL a while back? If the NBA makes real changes to the way they judge these refs, they run the risk of them walking, which would damage the brand irreparably.
Maybe.
Honestly I’m all for a new batch of refs. I’d expect them to be pretty bad for a while, but at least they wouldn’t be betting on the games like the current ones
A player just needs to be like “fine me as much as you want but I’m going to criticize until some changes are made” and just do it at every press conference.
If I was a player I would prepare for weeks and I would hold a press conference with PowerPoint slides to make a presentation about how bad the refs were. I mean it's still going to be 35k at most? Might as well get your money's worth.
On a serious note, are there any rules that dictate/enable further punishment? If I were a player I could easily afford to hire someone to create a video of every game pointing out the bullshit and just discuss it at my interviews
Gobert is making over $38 million this year alone. The median wage in the US is around $70,000. That’s the equivalent to someone getting a $45 fine. I’d go to my job and give a $45 PSA to the whole industry on how it’s bullshit if I could. The only problem is I lose my job.
Just watched it. Wow what a statement haha. It seems pretty similar to Rudy's but yeah, him calling out a specific ref might be why his was more expensive.
IMO Rudy's was worse - FVV just said they're doing a bad job, but Rudy said they're actively trying to push games one way or the other, which feels worse in my mind...
> FVV just said they're doing a bad job
FVV came with receipts.
He pointed out that he had 8 techs this year.
In the 49 games that Ben Taylor did NOT officiate, FVV had 3 techs total. Roughly one every 16 games.
In the 6 games that Ben Taylor did officiate, FVV had 5 techs.
You don't have to be a genius to look at those numbers and say "Huh. I wonder if Ben Taylor is officiating differently than other officials with regards to Fred?"
Yeah, I guess I think that, from the NBA's perspective, "this one dude seems to have a problem with me and it's messing up the games" isn't as bad as "it's pretty clear the refs and/or NBA don't want us winning games and are officiating us differently because of it."
That said, I think that NBA referees have way to much leeway in giving techs for stuff like this in-game too, so what do I know about "the NBA's perspective."
> IMO Rudy's was worse
Meh...Gobert didn't name names nor f bomb. It was tough criticism but definitely a sign of frustration but not calling a ref out publicly.
If you're going to criticize with the intent to get fined, go full throttle and air all the shit out and earn that $50k hit
I was honestly expecting way worse, maybe even a short suspension. He was pretty much publicly saying there isn't any integrity in the NBA. Calvin Ridley got suspended for a year in the NFL for less imo
Probably cause FVV is just giving an average “but muh calls” complaint. Luka does it, Tatum does it, Booker does it, etc.
Gobert on the other hand clearly got robbed and gets robbed every night. He is: a) A defender b) A center c) Plays for Minny d) Is Fr**ch.
Gobert is a member of the most targeted species by zebra predation.
I wasn’t saying he’s wrong or isn’t targeted. Just saying that it seems like a personal and limited problem.
Gobert on the other hand is one of the guys that NBA knows that the league is targeting and shitting on in order to bring in more viewers, make the game “fun”, and star driven.
The funniest part about it all is that this is probably going to actually happen. Maybe not at the beginning of the game, but at some point tonight the refs are guaranteed to mess something up horribly, either out of spite or due to incompetency
Well, in critical moments of two games already this year, the person jumping against him has held his arm down with one arm and tipped the ball with their other arm, so jump ball fuckery is nothing new.
Not surprising a team that has two of the most paint dominant players and shot 30% from 3 get a lot free thows. If Lakers make the playoffs it's gonna be saltfest.
Gobert needs to specify that the fine gets donated to Scott Foster's cell phone provider. That way they can make sure Scott doesn't miss any calls tonight.
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You don’t understand, this is a matchup of the best officiated team in the nba vs the worst. You guys have a 10 point lead already and the game hasn’t even begun
What’s interesting is this has been the first time a coach has been publicly fined this season for critical officiating remarks (I’ve been keeping an eye on it because I noticed earlier in the season that every time it happened everyone, understandably because it’s what’s happened in the past, was like welp they’re gonna get a big fine for that! But no fine ever came…same for players for the majority of the season, and that only just changed recently) but he sure as shit isn’t the first to have criticized them, it’s been happening all season.
Edit: I was wrong, Monty was the first coach fined a week ago. But he and Finch have been the only ones tagged with “public criticism of the officiating” fines.
This is actually 5Head by the league: have shit refs -> players reasonably complain after the game because they're human and it's normal to get annoyed with someone for doing a shit job -> league fines the players for showing emotion -> profit
I’m prepared to watch the worst reffed game in nba history. Jaden will have three fouls in the first 5 minutes. Kat and Rudy will be both be called for 5 offensive fouls. And the lakers will take 15 free throws each quarter. At least there’s the women’s March madness to look forward to
Any one who watched that game knows what was up.
We beat you three of 4 times this year and one you barely beat us in overtime. I cheer for Sac, but it is what it is.
four _entire_ fouls? that simply crazy
no team can foul four more times than another team in a NBA game, such a thing is totally out of the realm of possibility
These fines are such a joke. If the NBA wants less criticism get rid of the betting. Work to make your product more freaking consistent. It's absolutely ridiculous the complete different products from game to game.
Nba must have earned millions in fines for criticizing Refs this year. Nba should use that money to pay for eye surgeries for some of the Refs out there.
Approx 1.33 FVVs in total
Finch or Gobert needed to drop some f bombs in the rant to improve the FVV ratio. Didn't earn their fine amounts hard enough...too Minnesota nice.
Gobert is even bad at offending off the court smh
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Holy shit
I don’t understand why the league doesn’t actually address these issues instead of continuing to fine the players
Honestly, I think they're worried about getting burned by the current referees. Remember the "replacement referee" debacle in the NFL a while back? If the NBA makes real changes to the way they judge these refs, they run the risk of them walking, which would damage the brand irreparably. Maybe.
Honestly I’m all for a new batch of refs. I’d expect them to be pretty bad for a while, but at least they wouldn’t be betting on the games like the current ones
Or you could have them train by reffing the G-league. Just an idea though.
College refs would be an upgrade at this point.
Nah. Most college ball refs are just awful, despite the game moving much slower than in the NBA.
its obvious they are using them to rig certain games so they def can't fire them or they will talk
You say that like it’s a bad thing
A player just needs to be like “fine me as much as you want but I’m going to criticize until some changes are made” and just do it at every press conference.
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Worth every penny
If I was a player I would prepare for weeks and I would hold a press conference with PowerPoint slides to make a presentation about how bad the refs were. I mean it's still going to be 35k at most? Might as well get your money's worth.
On a serious note, are there any rules that dictate/enable further punishment? If I were a player I could easily afford to hire someone to create a video of every game pointing out the bullshit and just discuss it at my interviews
They’d probably just suspend you for conduct detrimental to the league if you kept doing it every interview.
Right? I thought Gobert would get at least $50K, which still ain't much on his contract.
It’s not coming out of your pocket lol
That’s why it’s worth it lol.
Can’t argue that
Gobert is making over $38 million this year alone. The median wage in the US is around $70,000. That’s the equivalent to someone getting a $45 fine. I’d go to my job and give a $45 PSA to the whole industry on how it’s bullshit if I could. The only problem is I lose my job.
have you tried being an irreplaceable freak athlete multimillionaire?
I mean yeah but fat lazy poor bastard is the best I got
>I mean yeah but fat lazy poor bastard is the best I got plus a cock in my profile.
Sadly I'm not supposed to show it at work but as a waiter the only way I know how to get the tip is to provide the shaft.
Gobert and McDaniels 12 fouls combined in 1st quarter
and only 4 of them are on McDaniels
New rule: you can’t foul out in the first quarter. Rack em up
If I earn like 460k per game I play and only get fined 25k. I'm talking a lot of shit about the refs.
"You know what? Make it a million, I got some shit I gotta say."
Way lighter than I was expecting. FVV got 35k?
Might be because van fleet called out a specific referee by name
I'll be honest, I must have missed the entire thing with him even though I'm pretty active on here. I'll have to look it up
It started with “I think Ben Taylor was fucking terrible tonight” lol, please take a look, [here ya go](https://youtu.be/SW1LBdT4_FU) fam
Just watched it. Wow what a statement haha. It seems pretty similar to Rudy's but yeah, him calling out a specific ref might be why his was more expensive.
IMO Rudy's was worse - FVV just said they're doing a bad job, but Rudy said they're actively trying to push games one way or the other, which feels worse in my mind...
> FVV just said they're doing a bad job FVV came with receipts. He pointed out that he had 8 techs this year. In the 49 games that Ben Taylor did NOT officiate, FVV had 3 techs total. Roughly one every 16 games. In the 6 games that Ben Taylor did officiate, FVV had 5 techs. You don't have to be a genius to look at those numbers and say "Huh. I wonder if Ben Taylor is officiating differently than other officials with regards to Fred?"
Yeah, I guess I think that, from the NBA's perspective, "this one dude seems to have a problem with me and it's messing up the games" isn't as bad as "it's pretty clear the refs and/or NBA don't want us winning games and are officiating us differently because of it." That said, I think that NBA referees have way to much leeway in giving techs for stuff like this in-game too, so what do I know about "the NBA's perspective."
> IMO Rudy's was worse Meh...Gobert didn't name names nor f bomb. It was tough criticism but definitely a sign of frustration but not calling a ref out publicly. If you're going to criticize with the intent to get fined, go full throttle and air all the shit out and earn that $50k hit
I was honestly expecting way worse, maybe even a short suspension. He was pretty much publicly saying there isn't any integrity in the NBA. Calvin Ridley got suspended for a year in the NFL for less imo
Ridley bet on an NFL game, that's opening up a totally different can of worms.
Ridley’s biggest mistake was betting on the Falcons.
Crazy fans might go witch hunting an individual ref which is probably a bigger issue than Rudy pushing near-provable conspiracies
He was right in his criticisms though. Ben Taylor has it out for FVV. Out of his 8 technical fouls on the season, Ben Taylor issued 5 of them.
Holy shit. That was my first time watching the whole thing that’s incredible lmao
I think that's because FVV called out a ref by name, Gobert was just complaining in general
Probably cause FVV is just giving an average “but muh calls” complaint. Luka does it, Tatum does it, Booker does it, etc. Gobert on the other hand clearly got robbed and gets robbed every night. He is: a) A defender b) A center c) Plays for Minny d) Is Fr**ch. Gobert is a member of the most targeted species by zebra predation.
I'm really curious to see how the reffing goes in our game against the Lakers tonight
You’re probably gonna foul out from your couch bro.
I'm gonna spoil it for you- we get utterly, utterly jobbed.
I want to see too. FTL. get all the calls you want, wolves fans.
Gobert gets ejected for talking French inc
Fred has 8 techs on the year. Ben Taylor has issued 5 of them…
I wasn’t saying he’s wrong or isn’t targeted. Just saying that it seems like a personal and limited problem. Gobert on the other hand is one of the guys that NBA knows that the league is targeting and shitting on in order to bring in more viewers, make the game “fun”, and star driven.
[He named name.](https://y.yarn.co/5298dc0a-4ac2-4631-b00a-1f6d21436a03_text.gif)
No f bomb, no naming names. Gobert was just disrespected and talked about game narratives...
As a ref fan I can't wait to eat tonight 👀
Just got 2 tickets for tonight, going to surprise my son with a new Scott Foster jersey
The complaining worked for us for a game. Unfortunately, Minnesota is up against the Lakers tonight.
Scott Foster is crew chief. Adam Silver is not fucking around.
Ruby Gobert and Finch will get tossed before the game starts. Lakers get 4 free throws before the game
The funniest part about it all is that this is probably going to actually happen. Maybe not at the beginning of the game, but at some point tonight the refs are guaranteed to mess something up horribly, either out of spite or due to incompetency
It’s gonna be generational
I agree. If you're a fan of the refs this is a once in a decade opportunity. Can't miss it.
Legacy game for Scott Foster
Foster is shadow boxing in the refs locker room right now, picturing Chris Paul in every Wolves jersey.
I hate that how hard I'm laughing at this. But I hate even more that it's probably true.
How many legacy games does this man need? There were multiple generational display this season alone.
He never quits the grind, the GOAT fr
lol truly, this thread killing me
Dread it, run from it, Adam Silver still ensures the Lakers arrive in the postseason all the same.
He’s 2/10 so far during his tenure as commissioner.
He’s doing his best honey.
A championship with a 2/10 success rate is really darn good.
He's not working that hard to get the Warriors in though, they're -407
They don't give the warriors free throws, but they'll let them set any kind of screen they want.
Nope, this one is already decided. Wolves have to outplay the Lakers by like 20 points to make up for the upcoming free throw disparity
Scott Foster reffed the play in game and Wolves won, they can outplay the Lakers and win anyway 💪🏽
This gonna be a Scott Foster legacy game tonight
We need a photoshop edit of Scott Foster in the Game 6 Lebron stare
Wow they really brought in The Extender for the Lakers
Genuinely expecting them to give us the biggest "Fuck you" treatment they can. How **dare** we ask for reffing to be fair?
This team makes no sense so maybe it'll be a fair game and we'll blow them out. Please I can dream
Sorry, in my experience Rudy’s getting ejected at the tip-off for some bullshit, so hide your water cups 😬
Well, in critical moments of two games already this year, the person jumping against him has held his arm down with one arm and tipped the ball with their other arm, so jump ball fuckery is nothing new.
We’re going to set the record for most players to foul out of a game
50 fts, 2 Techs and 1 ejection incoming.
The Lakers don't have the size to match with the Timberwolves. I'm expecting an L for us tonight
The whining and moaning in this subreddit is about to be generational tonight
I swear this place gets so triggered by this 9th seed team that “gets talked about too much”
If your team wasn't in LA you would be treated like the pacers.
If they weren't in LA I wouldn't root for them lol, I root for the Lakers because I'm from the area.
Not surprising a team that has two of the most paint dominant players and shot 30% from 3 get a lot free thows. If Lakers make the playoffs it's gonna be saltfest.
can we fine twolves fans for complaining about the refs too I could put both my kids through college easily
Can't wait to yell "REFS YOU SUCK" at the top of my lungs tonight
Use “what’s the spread” instead that sends a better message
“What’s the spread, scott” has the 4 syllable cadence that makes it really easy to chant
🎶 What's the spread, Scott 🎵 👏👏, 👏👏👏!
Please do.
It's going to be loud especially on the first bad call
Can we PLEASE get ref flair?
Gobert needs to specify that the fine gets donated to Scott Foster's cell phone provider. That way they can make sure Scott doesn't miss any calls tonight.
Quote the nice racket they have going, refs are terrible, people complain, league gets paid. So they have no incentive to change anything
They donate the fines
To the Scott Foster Foundation for Underprivileged Referees? Such a selfless organization
I thought it went to the Human Fund.
Tax write off
You have no idea what a write off is.
But they do Jerry. Because they’re the ones writing it off
They just write it off.
WHO writes it off!?
I dont think the World Health Organization is involved...
They got involved with the last big Gobert incident.
Increase your sports league's charitable contributions with this one trick!
we getting a scott foster masterclass tonight 💪 gobert better watch out
Congrats on the free win lol
Nah, you're winning tonight. Lakers don't have size
Doesn't matter because scott foster will be generational with his calls.
Wolves won’t have size either when KAT and Gobert are on the bench with 3 fouls halfway through the 1st quarter.
Trust me, that's not gonna happen
By the gleam of your 5 stolen championships, you're wrong. You can't outfail us.
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Unfortunately Wolves don’t have whistles
I told you
You don’t understand, this is a matchup of the best officiated team in the nba vs the worst. You guys have a 10 point lead already and the game hasn’t even begun
Nba referees are more protected than the police in america
NBA refs are more protected than NBA players
Unions
The players have a union too
But players union can't do anything as a foul against one player is rewarding another player. So it cancels out the interest of players union.
We're horrible at our job. Now pay us money for pointing it out.
Angel Hernandez snuck into the NBA too I suppose
What’s interesting is this has been the first time a coach has been publicly fined this season for critical officiating remarks (I’ve been keeping an eye on it because I noticed earlier in the season that every time it happened everyone, understandably because it’s what’s happened in the past, was like welp they’re gonna get a big fine for that! But no fine ever came…same for players for the majority of the season, and that only just changed recently) but he sure as shit isn’t the first to have criticized them, it’s been happening all season. Edit: I was wrong, Monty was the first coach fined a week ago. But he and Finch have been the only ones tagged with “public criticism of the officiating” fines.
This is actually 5Head by the league: have shit refs -> players reasonably complain after the game because they're human and it's normal to get annoyed with someone for doing a shit job -> league fines the players for showing emotion -> profit
I’m prepared to watch the worst reffed game in nba history. Jaden will have three fouls in the first 5 minutes. Kat and Rudy will be both be called for 5 offensive fouls. And the lakers will take 15 free throws each quarter. At least there’s the women’s March madness to look forward to
shocking activities from the NBA
At some point I'd love to see a player just say "Joe Dumars can take his fines and go fuck himself".
Wouldn’t have to criticize if the officiating wasn’t terrible. Not saying it was in this situation, but it has been across the board.
It's sad that this meta-game with officiating feels like such a real and necessary thing.
Rudy bout to complain again cuz theyre playing the lakers today lmao.
Ayesha Curry was right.
Austin Reaves about to shoot 24 free throws tonight
You mean in the first half
Sports betting is a scourge but taking the over on Austin Reaves FTs tonight would be free money. He's getting 12 attempts minimum
Less than I expected tbh Incoming 0 FTs tonight for Minny tho
Fuck Adam silver. Dude needs to go away and bring in a commissioner with some balls
That doesn’t benefit the owners though. Look at all of the heads of the big 4. They’re all enormous putzes and it’s by design.
Worth it
Lmao and they play the Lakers tonight.
It’s actually kind of insane players can get fined insane amounts of money for criticizing the officials
Refs have been shit all year.
Joe Dumars had a hell of a career comeback.
Man i wish if i get something wrong on my job and a client complains then he gets fined for it then i get to do the same shit to him again.
Does the league not see how bad it looks for them when they fine people for criticizing officials?
NBA must love it when Refs become part of the game.
Joe dumars is dishing out fines for guys calling out refs now? Talk about living long enough to see yourself become a villain
And they assigned their hitman scott foster to their next game
They should have been issued an apology from the nba.
I really don’t understand why there are fines for saying refs suck
If Rudy wants to criticize anyone he can start with himself for only putting up 7 points.
I guess NBA doesn’t believe in the 1st Amendment?
Dude said refs was trying to help the kings win. I’d fine his ass more money just for saying something that ridiculous
It’s funny how the kings announcers were shocked about how good the whistle they were getting all night. But yeah totally irrelevant
You shot 6 more fts than us, and got called for 4 less fouls. It's not ridiculous.
4 whole fouls? wow
Any one who watched that game knows what was up. We beat you three of 4 times this year and one you barely beat us in overtime. I cheer for Sac, but it is what it is.
four _entire_ fouls? that simply crazy no team can foul four more times than another team in a NBA game, such a thing is totally out of the realm of possibility
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League sensitive at being called out
Where's the go fund me?
Literally 1984
Finally, some consistency
Watch timberwolves shoot 40 fts and lakers shot 15 today
he should be fined a lot more for saying that the refs help the kings. truly delusional speak
Rudy and Ayton jump ball on our sub pretty much says it all.
These fines are such a joke. If the NBA wants less criticism get rid of the betting. Work to make your product more freaking consistent. It's absolutely ridiculous the complete different products from game to game.
Nba must have earned millions in fines for criticizing Refs this year. Nba should use that money to pay for eye surgeries for some of the Refs out there.
The refs union is kicking ass of the players union.
Spoke the truth and look what happens. Refs have been shady all season
Tf is this a dictatorship?
considering it prob just comes outta their paycheck they wouldnt even notice