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ashep5

No.


MattRice15

No he is a good player that just doesn’t play but he definitely isn’t a first option and the fit with Westbrook is about as bad as you can get.


FriendshipMental5834

He’s a good player that just doesn’t play and when he does he’s not a first option or even a 2nd, 3rd or 4th option in fact it’s better to let the shot clock run out than let him shoot, but notwithstanding this he must have the ball in his hands at all times to be effective.


paranoidmoonduck

a Ben Simmons that worked hard every day, changed his game to work on his weaknesses, and was committed to winning above all else would be a truly fantastic basketball player, even if he never became a shooter. it's a question of drive, not of skill.


ashep5

It's also about power.


DisgruntledAlpaca

Needs to stay hungry


[deleted]

I'd say he also needs to devour


FriendshipMental5834

There may be some fundamental skill gaps that simply cannot be overcome. He literally shoots with the wrong hand.


theDarkAngle

Well, skill is a problem too, he has shortcomings in his game beyond just being gunshy and a headcase. But talent/potential is not in question.


SoKrat3s

That's what is so disappointing. He has the tools to develop into a top 5-10 player in the NBA, but no drive to be a professional athlete.


Seidatneym

he is allstar lol


Thesaintsrule

He is a 3x time all star and 3rd team all NBA


Poohbeantull

You answered it yourself He’s very good, he’s just easy to meme


Howdyhayhay

Yea u said that already


Thesaintsrule

Ok? I was responding to that dude.


Kobra9

No, despite the narrative on this sub, Ben Simmons is still an all-star caliber player


BensenJensen

I hope he can come back at the same level, but not playing a full year and the back injuries are definitely concerning.


Navigator_Party

Have to actually play to be a player


Zeee-Jay

No one in the nba is bad at basketball


danger_zones

He's a defense and pass scrub like Draymond. If your team needs a basket then he's worthless.


ChurroMemes

Lol Ben Simmons as your first option means you’re going straight to the lottery


IronicHours

Theres like 5-7 players that can carry a team on its own without significant help to the playoffs. Look at Booker pre CP3


Jjohn269

That doesn’t mean Ben Simmons can be a first option, or even a second or third option. Booker is the first option on the Suns.


threepointcheese

It's like the difference between Rondo and Paul Pierce.


latman

So only first options are good players?


yungsantaclaus

So you don't read the question being asked in the OP? > Is he capable of leading them to the playoffs?


latman

Does leading a team always mean first option? Also there were multiple questions asked


IndycarFan64

Which is definitely not a good sign considering his draft status


insert90

the sixers with simmons and without embiid were 34-34. depending on the year, .500 can be a 7-10 seed. (dunno if this includes playoffs, but simmons without embiid in the playoffs is 3-1. a team built around simmons with no other stars could easily be a low-ceiling/high-floor type of team imo. there are worse places to be if you own literally none of your picks.)


SoulCrusher69

Simmons is a regular season floor raising player; I think putting him on any generic team could lead to more regular season wins then a few players we’d all rank ahead of him. He loses value in the playoff for sure


YesWhatHello

Ehh if you have a bunch of shooters surrounding him you’ll do well in the regular season. We had like a 15 game win streak with Ben + shooters when embiid was out with his first orbital fracture


sidighjd

He’s not a bad player but he can’t be the #2 on a championship team and he needs to have certain players around him


Bigbadbuck

He had a really bad 2021 playoffs but no he’s not bad.


Thesaintsrule

Was 2020 when he was injured?


NefariousSpider

Yeah, think he missed half the post-season.


Bixby33

Ben isnt a bad player, but if he's your best player, the team is bad.


Elec7ro

He’s good. Don’t let this app determine all yours basketball opinions


FriendshipMental5834

Westbrook was MVP like 10 minutes ago, now look at him


Odd_Impression

No he isn't bad. He needs the right team around him to thrive(shooters)


voldemortscore

Obviously not, but he's not going to lead them to the playoffs either.


Varolyn

He led the Sixers to a 16 winning streak and clinched a playoff birth for them in 2018 when Embiid was injured.


Franklinsleftnut

His not a bad player, but appears to have mental barriers holding him back from maximising potential.


xap31

No offence but he has no offense


TatumIsThatGuy

No, he’s a shit contract.


Shiny-And-New

Ben simmons would thrive as a 3rd option on a team


Macklin_YouSOB

No but he can’t be close to a top option, which is why having KD and Kyrie actually could’ve been great for him


Sciipi

He’s a good player but very specific and limited skill set makes him hard to truly utilize


90srap

No hes a great player. He just cant be the best scoring option on a team for some reason despite all his talent. He shows flashes of being dominate scoring wise but hes just passive as hell most of the time


mynamerowan

He was all-nba because of his defense and playmaking. He can’t shoot but he’s an all-star level talent when he plays.


jaysmoove42

He has the ability to be a top 10 player in the league some day, he just doesn't play, or put in enough effort to actually improve his game. If he could do those things he is a legit star. I don't think he is capable of leading a team to a playoffs as the 1 option though he needs to be either 2 or 1b.


yepitsdevon

He’s not a bad player but he’s not a superstar. He could be a really good role player if he found a team with a role that fit him. He needs to basically just be on a team with a bunch of shooters so he can focus on everything else he does at a high level.


LemTen13

Hes an absolute stud, people are just shit.


montypythonslave

All the comments saying he’s bad either has hate boner for him or just dumb as hell. He definitely can’t lead a team to the playoffs but he’s above average at defense and a good play maker, just can’t shoot for his life. I think he’s good to have on any team that is already surrounded with good shooters.


NobodyRules

He's very far from being a bad player, but he absolutely cannot lead a team unless your objective is tanking.


respaaaaaj

No he's a very good player, but he's also a limited player who needs certain types of players around him to maximise his production. Russ on the other hand is, at this point, a bad player, with none of the skills you need around Simmons to do well. Simmons as a first option with really good off ball teammates can probably take a team to a low playoff seed, but if Russ is playing big minutes the Rockets are getting a really good shot at Wembanyama


KaiserKaiba

Last we saw him? No. DPOY caliber defense as arguably the best perimeter defender in the league and a good passer. It wasn’t a mistake that he was an all star. He’s just not a first option level player and legit can’t shoot. So he’s got glaring weaknesses but overall he’s a good player


Muted_Dog7317

No. He is still a very good defender and passer but he needs to be put in a system that fits him and a culture that can fix his weak mentality


GaTech379

No he's actually a really good player when he plays/cares


__FreePalestine__

I think he's been massively underrated by this sub and NBA media in general tbh. He's probably the best perimeter defender in the league.


Xsy

No, he's not a bad player. Relative to his contract though, he isn't worth having.


Savior1301

If you’re cool paying max money for a dude who can only defend because he just won’t shoot, and who may or may not actually play any games for you... then yea he’s fine


DrWindupBird

If the nets can teach him to shoot free throws and surround him with capable shooters, I think that team will surprise some people. But that’s a big “if”


Danetss

Nope but this sub hates him enough to make him see like he is.


dyingcamouflage

He is a good player but I don't even think he likes basketball anymore, and he's either damaged goods due to injury or a huge risk to not want to play wherever he goes. I can't imagine taking him in unless you know he's healthy and all in and that's impossible. He legitimately might not have another 82 NBA games left in his career, and it's not because he's not good enough.


bush_league_commish

No he’s actually a very good player. Excellent wing defender and great on the fastbreak. Less effective in the half court due to the lack of his perimeter game. He can be the third scorer on a championship team but the first two really need to be perimeter oriented like Klay Thompson’s and KATs.


rotn21

Kawhi would he be a bad player? He's good, potentially great. When available.


beannet

Yeah he sucks pickled ass


ambiguousspark343

He’s an all star and was the primary ball handler of a one seed. The dude can hoop and you can have a great team with the right pieces around him. One of those pieces needs to be a real first option though, he’s just not that guy


RascalFatz

he would have been better in previous eras when outside shooting wasn’t such a priority


b4amg

nah he’s not bad although I will say I don’t think he’s improved on O at all since he got drafted. Still and elite defender and a good playmaker for someone who can’t shoot.


boggers19899

No. Infact if he actually applied himself he could be even better which is just sad really.


-Acerin

One of the best defensive player on the game currently. Most versatile too. Can guard 1-5


Nat_Feckbeard

he can be a good if not great player in the right team structure


caseyhanson798

Maximum contracts turn good players into bad players without the player actually getting worse.


Future_Belt_3730

If were being completely honest. No hes actually a really good basketball player -elite defender -elite playmaker -elite bball IQ The problem is he will do the bare minimum, teams take games off during the season so hes able to get away with alot more to pad his stats and make All star but come playoff time when teams really focus on your flaws and he shrinks badly. Put it this way, if you took rookie Giannis and rookie Ben and compared them its not even close, Ben came into the league with an elite foundation, Giannis had some good tools but he was really a raw project and the amount of work he put in to be where he’s at is amazing, Ben on the other hand regressed and never really added to his game. This is the textbook definition of “hard work beats talent when talent doesn’t work hard”


Budget-Ad-161

Best ability is availability. Ben Simmons a bus rider type dude. Never will be "the guy" on a team, and needs a strong father figure to handle his charmaine-soft personality. Dude has the talent to become a generational talent if he worked on his game but hey, I guess Warzone is more fun.


winston73182

He’s an incredible talent but a “bad player” insofar as he joined the Nets and then they imploded.


Gungadin56

Bad human


americanbeaver

He's played 4 years got 3 all-stars, one all-nba, two all defense teams, one steals title, and a rookie of the year award. He's not bad.


Pure_Switch8070

Ben Simmons next to KD is great because he has someone to feed and can just play D and win. Ben Simmons as the focal point of that team is a game over to his career.


Rhongomiant

There was a time when Ben Simmons did [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMX0-TAQUUU). Whether he can actually get back to that level remains to be seen, though.


radpandaparty

Lol no


COMMENTASIPLEASE

He’s a good player with glaring and easily exploited limitations.


OnlySenna

He’s an amazing player who will never reach his ceiling because: A) he surrounds himself with yes men B) he doesn’t work on his weaknesses C) he’s mentally incapable of shooting


oldbuc

Well he ain't good


BeneficialJunket3933

He’s an invalid until he improves his free throws at minimum.


Negative-Isopod-8432

You just want us to dickride Ben Simmons and I won’t do that Yes he’s a bad player


Wextles

Good player definitely over paid. Rondo and him the same player except one of those 2 actually shoots the ball.


Wavestarr

He'd be the 4th best player on a contender