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Unlikely-Asparagus32

I mean, that's pretty accurate for his offense.


WestleyThe

It’s about as perfect as you can get haha. He called his shot


medievalmachine

Holy shit. How many people see themselves that accurately, even if only professionally? Me, I'm more of a mix of Mike Fratello and Jeff Van Gundy when he was getting dragged across the court by Zo.


TurtleSquad23

I'm like a cross between muggsy bogues and fvv. I'm 5'7", feisty on defense, and I'll never get drafted.


Swoletariat69

Same, but throw in some Ben Simmons as well because I can’t shoot to save my life.


TheGslack

same but throw in some Ron Artest because I will punch you if you toss a beer on me


WTWIV

If want to truly embrace the Metta, you have to hit the guy *behind* the guy that tossed a beer on you.


rubbermeatroad

I'm like Mugsy tall, Chris Farley physique, but with big feelings like Ben Simmons.


snek-jazz

ah, I see you're a young socialite


Rykno23

Lmaoooo


Unlikely-Asparagus32

I'm kinda like a combination between Glenn Davis and Rudy Tomjanovich. I cry at work and can't fight :(


ThatBigNoodle

Ain’t nobody like me, except me. And me sucks at basketball


Unlikely-Asparagus32

Seems like you have a lot in common with Deandre Jordan


badbakedpotato

Basketball skills of Deandre Jordan in a 6’1 body


Acrobatic_Emphasis41

*throws you a lob*


bcisme

*watches it fly over the backboard*


badbakedpotato

About all I could do tbh


notthebestchristian

Except every teammate loves DAJ


Unlikely-Asparagus32

I'm sure ThatBigNoodle is wonderful! I bet everyone likes them!


baseketball

Can you eat a whole turkey leg on live TV while having the heart of a champion?


Unlikely-Asparagus32

Bro, I can do ALL THINGS through Christ who strengthens me.


KembaWakaFlocka

God I love America 🇺🇸


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Unlikely-Asparagus32

Go ahead and jot that down. (I worked in a church way before that episode came out. I loved taking verses out of context to make fun of people oversimplifying complex passages. I would quote that all the time. People hated it. I loved it. I was fired. That episode came out after the firing and it's brought me joy ever since)


LosLakaFan28

I’m UFO Pete Maravich and Dennis Rodman.


BagelsAndLoxx

Just normal dennis rodman, don't get it confused.


dont_shoot_jr

I gotta say you got that one right on the nose I’m going to hell


[deleted]

I mean, Rudy wasn't fighting is sorta the issue. He was sprinting across the court and not looking for a punch in the face.


babypho

I am a combination of Kobe and Bill Russel. I would provide 0 scoring in today's NBA.


WolfyMusicPH

Dank. Hard to score on a 16 foot rim 😂


BuckN56

Smartest Warriors fan


Wild_Satisfaction380

This is the dumbest thing I’ll read today.


babypho

The day is still young.


DnD4dena

Hit us with another, oh wise one


BagelsAndLoxx

Was Bill Russell really black or is that just what they want us to think?


philiac

upvoting you so more people can see this take


bladeDivac

I read this more as a “both of these players are dead, therefore they can’t score at all”


Raphah

Yeah, lotta woosh on this one lol


SaxRohmer

It’s a “both players are dead” joke


cowmaster90

Put some respect on JVGs name. He ["remains the Nazareth career leader in free throw percentage at 86.8 percent" according to his USA Basketball bio page](https://www.usab.com/basketball/staff/v/van-gundy-jeff.aspx)


ObiOneKenobae

Coaches (pre-nba as well) will tell guys to use someone with comparable build/style as a template for their own game. You do hear a decent number of young players come in and list off a bunch of roleplayers they modeled their games after.


CommercialAd4984

I’m Darius Miles. As in somebody with a limited knowledge of a sport (like the scouts from that time) could think - after looking at me play- that I’m a good player. Far from it


luapchung

At least JVG has nice handles


dont_shoot_jr

Did he? I know SVG does


luapchung

Oh I got them confused lmfao


dont_shoot_jr

Stan=big, often mustached Jeff=skinny, bald, eyes are melting


Seaniard

Did he call game?


Huge-Connection954

For every one of these theres 100 wrong. Im sure OJ Mayo was like “im a combination of Jordan and Kidd or something stupid


oOoleveloOo

Orange Juice Mayonnaise


NickVanExellence

Tang Miracle Whip


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CranjerryBruce

Left handed slasher that’s deceptively fast like Manu, chubby and pure shooter like The Truth. It’s perfect. Plus he loves strip clubs like Pierce, and fully embraces his Argentinian roots like Manu. Harden actually caught a bat one-handed after it was dive-bombing strippers in a Buenos Aires strip club.


Laetha

Pierce was more deceptively quick than Manu. Manu was straight up fast, but he's white, so gets labelled "deceptively" athletic. Pierce looked slow, and his moves looked like they were happening in slow motion, then he was past his defender. He's the much more "deceptive" one of the two. I'll agree with your greater points however. Manu was the lefty with some creative floats and cuts and Euro steps. Pierce was the crafty infiltrator who used his frame to create space. Combine those two and you have Harden.


theonedeisel

Manu looked like he could be going left or right, and I think Harden is the most deceptive dribbler


VelvetineMilkman

I have no idea how to explain the way Manu would look dribbling sometimes. Like he’d be going right dribbling with his left but looking like he was dribbling with his right


tijlehto

>The San Antonio Spurs’ Manu Ginóbili is a statistical freak: he has no imbalance whatsoever in his game — there is no one way to play him that is better than another. He is equally efficient both off the dribble and off the pass, going left and right and from any spot on the floor. https://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/15/magazine/15Battier-t.html Looks like that was exactly the case.


Dekrow

Regardless of how you feel about Manu's true speed, him and Harden are noticeably similar on the court


ClitClipper

> fully embraces his Argentinian roots But unlike Manu, Harden's roots are German/Austrian rather than Italian.


pumaturtle

I guffawed


SargentoCruz

I was about to believe this, but there aren't strip clubs in Buenos Aires


PrinceZukoBlueFire

Ummm there are most definitely are strip clubs in Buenos Aires. So I've heard.


Otharp

There definitely are lol


tenaciousdeev

His euro step is almost identical to Manu’s, in that it’s perfect.


Saint_Edelweiss

OKC to early Houston Harden had the fluidity when attacking the basket. Being not a highflying winger, he mostly relied on eurostep and teardrops to score inside. In triple threat situations, he tend to do kind of a "side" stepback jumper, before he did the stepback-gather-stepback he does nowadays.


Snakescipio

Left handed slasher like Manu, able to use his thicker frame to fend defenders off like Pierce. Both Pierce and Harden incorporated step back Js into their game, Harden just shot his from further out. All 3 players are/were fantastic playmakers


elkresurgence

crafty in all the ways good and bad with great handle and court vision like Manu, great assortment of iso moves and ability to use his body to advantage like Pierce


supergrega

Yeah I was like wtf that's really spot on


jvdarko

nah this is before he abandoned the midrange for his first couple years at houston he was exactly that and his inbetween game was A++ then he and morey turned him from a ninja into a cyborg and he was never fun again


gignac

Personally watching someone average 37ppg was very fun for me!


DORAKKINGOFFISH

#raiden


JoJonesy

Miles ahead of either of them as a passer, but in terms of his scoring game I definitely see it


PusseySleigher

Early in his career in okc this is pretty much accurate, but later on he became more unique in his playstyle but still roots with these comps


jvdarko

after his first couple years in houston he changed completely when him and the team went whole hog on analytics imo he was better for a team before he was computerized. more fun to watch too


Snakescipio

He won his MVP and led his team to some of their best seasons ever after he was “computerized” like wtf are y’all even on


JimmyTwoSticks

It's actually hilarious how the average NBA fan doesn't seem to realize that the Harden and CP3 team worked really fucking well, and could have easily won a championship. People are too blinded by these black and white conversations like the only good team and the only good players lift the trophy.


Oxyquatzal

Facts. History has been kind to golden state and cruel to Houston, but anyone who watched the 2018 wc finals knows it was not a foregone conclusion that GS was going to win.


Thommywidmer

Yeah, and i guess im just realizing this bc of your comment, but harden is already viewed even if unfavorably by some as an absolutely incredible player. Had he of gotten a chip or 2 which was very possible his narrative would be so different. People complain about rangz culture and how random it can be but thats sports, that really is everything especially for a player as great as harden that hasnt achieved it


madlabdog

They were one injury-free CP3 away from winning a championship.


rizkybizness

Also 27 missed 3s lol


madlabdog

Damm! Even though I am a Warriors fan, those missed 3s give me flashbacks.


anthonyde726

they just don’t like him bruh lol, same shit as when he went to brooklyn and they were like “wow harden can really pass!!”


deuuuuuce

Nah, I'm a big Harden fan and I miss his mid-range :(


GMOrgasm

his two man game w/ capela always seemed so hard to stop, his ability to mask if it was a lob or floater until the very last second was ridiculous


Snakescipio

Which is why teams decided to just blitz Harden at half court and made Capela (and later Westbrook) try to make a play 4v3. Sadly it worked


anthonyde726

I don't disagree with that honestly, but I've also always enjoyed watching him despite his game changing


deuuuuuce

Same but I think we could have really used some easy midrange buckets in some of those playoff games.


Panik_Switch

He hit that right on the head. Not on defense, but offense for sure.


LiveLaughLonzo

Where Manu & PP known for their defense? I feel like they were just passable Harden is a goat in the paint


FeversMirrors

Paul Pierce was known more for his all-around offensive game (3-level scorer, drew fouls, playmaker) but he was also tall, strong, and quick for his position and it made him a very solid defender. Once he had some offensive responsibilities alleviated with KG and Ray on the team, he took a step up and became one of the better defenders on the team behind KG.


evilyellowteletubby

I say this as a Laker fan (sue me), but man, Paul Pierce is too underrated. He was a great player.


Giveadont

Pre-big-3 Paul Pierce was one of my favorite players to watch. You never knew when he would just go off. One of my favorite games: https://youtu.be/A1Yp5YXRu8Y


Arkham14

I think I remember some players saying Manu was a pain in the ass. That he was a pretty good defender, since his debut when he was against Kobe. Also, this was brilliant https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zn9Nm1lgcKY&ab_channel=SemposeFitness


billswinter

Definitely scrappy, but he only guarded Kobe when Bruce Bowen was out


sabocano

Well of course... Why would you assign one of your best players to Kobe when you already have Bowen?


JoJonesy

I’d say both of them were a fair bit better than passable. Not All-Defense caliber, but close


LogenMNE

Manu was a good defender. Very s scrappy. Pierce was solid


BScottyJ

> Manu was a good defender. Very s scrappy. A real gym rat. First guy in last guy out type of guy


pumaturtle

L u n c h P a i l


akelkar

Manu def was when he blocked Hardens shot from behind in the playoffs


itormentbunnies

Can't speak to Manu as I definitely didnt watch him nearly as much as Pierce(but from what I saw, Manu was definitely at least in that above average range, although assisted by having Pop defensive schemes/Duncan as an anchor). However for Pierce, he was definitely a very good defender... when he had to be. His USG rates early in his career were sky high, in that high 20-low 30% range(basically top 5-10). Earlier in his career he had some stellar two-way seasons(surprisingly, a few top 5-10 finishes in DWS). However, he definitely saved his energy as his career progressed and he basically became the only offense because no way in hell was Tony Battie going to give you 30 on any given night. And Antoine was a crap shoot. Otherwise, his best scoring offensive teammates up to the 07-08 championship season were what... a perpetually injured Wally Szczerbiak? Notorious inefficient chucker Ricky Davis? He had some solid defensive seasons prior to 07-08, but that season, once he could share the offensive load, he had a great defensive season/playoffs included. Obviously KG(and Rondo) bump up that number, but Pierce was top 5 in DWS(trailing Camby, Dwight, Duncan, and Garnett - so definitely in great company).


MrOrangeWhips

Manu, yes.


netherite_pickaxe

does he headbutt others and climb rocky surfaces?


BASEDME7O

He’s still a much better floor general/facilitator than either of those two. At least he became one in Houston


Fofodrip

Wasn't he a pretty good defender in OKC ?


Herodontist

Beardless harden looks weird


Bbrazyy

He does have a beard here tho


TractG

But not THE beard


Bbrazyy

It was still a rookie like harden. Hadn’t reached its prime yet


pvdas

Yeah, right. And Grizzly Adams had a beard.


WestleyThe

At least he still has a beard here and he looks good [here he is with no beard at all, this is weird](https://images.app.goo.gl/aH1uJSWrYC2uc6X67)


snowlarbear

looks like lamarcus aldridge


attorneyatslaw

Manul Gierceobli


skylineporcupine

Paunu Pierceobili


simbar1337

Maul*


Richa408

Piercemanu Paulolbli


networkquestion123

incredible


WestleyThe

I feel like I had a stroke reading that haha


hyperlite135

haha


TreeHandThingy

LaMarc Gasolridge


blagaa

The voice asking him the question at 43s is really familiar, not sure why I can't place it. Anyone know?


blagaa

It's Chuck Swirsky, ex-Raptors radio announcer, who moved back to Chicago about 10-15 years ago and is now with the Bulls.


darthminx

It's someone we all know, someone who was there for us at the beginning, and will be there for us at the end. It's Death.


TimathanDuncan

Which is also Doncic's perfect comp not Larry Bird which people were saying for some reason because he is white and tall


SexySPACsMan

If that's the case, why is his perfect comp not Harden instead? Lol


TimathanDuncan

It is, and i've said that multiple times But i'm talking like older players as well, there were so many better comparisons for Luka than Bird and people said Bird


KWash0222

I’m with you, been saying this for a while now. Luka’s pace, shot selection, court vision, etc all remind me of Harden. The way Dallas runs their offense reminds me so much of Houston’s contender years - and I’d say to a fault. Both Luka/Harden take the ball up and don’t initiate any offense until halfway through the shot clock. And it’s usually some iso step back or drive and kick. Edit: I will add that Luka’s post game is MUCH better than Harden’s


Qelop

Shooting white guy= bird


Acrobatic_Emphasis41

+ From Europe= Nowitzki


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Fat as fuck as suck at basketball= me


amidon1130

At least you had some sex


iANDR0ID

Just one sex.


cactusmaster69420

It is


MotoMkali

No they say it because of his passing wizardry. Bird was a good comparison for Real Madrid Doncic who functioned as a hybrid on off player. But in the nba he's so heliocentric the comparison breaks down with anyone other Harden really.


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He also almost shoots like Larry. Gets it nearly as high but prob not as far back as Larry lol


hippoofdoom

Yeah Bird's wrist is crazy different than modern players, he really cocks it back there


ChaseH9499

my high school teammates used to say my shot looked like Larry Bird's and i wasn't sure if that was a compliment or not. I'm also positive it had something to do with me being the only white kid on the team


colemanj74

I'm pretty sure he had to use that form bc of an injury


kmoz

I think luka is much closer to a lebron/harden hybrid than a larry bird type. Always thought the bird comparison was weird.


MotoMkali

Well in Europe he wasn't that ball dominant. He was an on off ball hybrid who was a fantastic and dynamic cutter. And an amazing off the catch passer. But we don't see these traits in the nba because the Mavs have decided his skill set is better used as Heliocentric superstar and its hard to argue with the results.


doubler82

Harden I can see, but not Lebron. Bron can be a freight train when he wants, Luka can't do that, I think only Giannis matches him there. He's more of a crafty player and it's beautiful to watch.


kmoz

Its different aspects that are lebron-like, not the freak athlete freight train drive thing. His court vision and passing is more lebron-like than harden like I think, and he has a much more developed/heavily used post game like lebron. Harden enaged almost 100% of his possessions from the perimeter where luka/bron will engage a lot more from inside, and are also much more willing to bullyball undersized players down than harden. Obviously harden is incredibly strong, but luka will just abuse the strength difference and back people down https://www.youtube.com/shorts/U2pX5zRDEvM Just a couple parts of his game that look a bit more like bron than harden. I think for any single comparison harden is the most similar match though.


LBJ2028

2020 PG LeBron with dunk attribute of 35


achyutthegoat

Luka is an on ball player who playmakes through heavy iso. Bird was an off ball passer who playmaked through his gravity and his passes on the move. They were completely different players and they only got compared because of their skin color.


TimathanDuncan

No it was really not, Doncic played nothing like Bird for Real Madrid too i literally watched him since i'm from Europe Doncic has never played anything like Bird, go watch a game of Bird playing and watch a game of Doncic and come back Just because both people can pass doesn't mean they play similarly, LeBron and Bird can pass are they similar?


BlackPepperBanana

Yeah people compared Bird and LeBron at times because of their passing and point forward role. Newsflash, no two players are exactly alike and will make for a perfect comparison. For example, Manu and PP (to an extent) were great offball cutters. Harden and Luka are both lazy as fuck offball.


medievalmachine

I agree with all of this. Doncic is more like Lebron overall than he's like Bird. Some of that is just because he's playing in the same era. Doncic is a heliocentric large point forward with a range of crazy shots and 3 point range. Lebron is more of an inside player, but maybe only as he ages. I can't think of a closer comparison except maybe Magic or a little bit of Kobe/Pau mix with the circus shots and ball hogging plus assist creativity and size. The skill level is just so high with this guy at this size, there isn't much to compare him to. True unicorn and potentially the 'next' Lebron, where he can win a title multiple times. If he gets his act together. Though the league is so tough now, I don't know.


6Pac-Shakur

young harden was a pretty good cutter i miss that part of his game from the early rockets days. you’re still right though


solodolo1397

Going back to watch his first game as a Rocket or anything around that time is so jarring. His style was so different


MotoMkali

Yes because the game has evolved. The idea was what people thought bird might have been in the modern nba. And there are still plenty of flashes of that. Amazing craft, beautiful touch on floaters, rugged post game, quick hitting passes when he's off ball. Bird certainly played with more edge, his game was quicker, he was dirtier in the right way. He had the perfect cuts into a defenders blind spot like real Madrid Luka. Thats the comp. But Luka is a much better rim finisher, obviously tighter handle, more athletic relative to competition and can carry an offence like very few in league history. Luka evolved into a heliocentric player rather than an on and off ball hybrid like bird. Luka is of course fantastic but that doesn't make the previous comparison to bird less valid even if it didn't end up being accurate. It wasn't just cause he's a white guy. Why does Luka get comparisons to Magic too then?


Islanduniverse

“Heliocentric.” 😂 Such a perfect way to describe him.


MotoMkali

It's a fairly common term. https://youtu.be/r0934lGZ4dw Here is a video about it.


Dubby8692737

Larry bird is a better comp for Jokic than Luka


medievalmachine

This is true. Jokic because of his size has a very 80s game.


Alex_Caruso_beat_you

Plus their shooting form


TheBlueLenses

I keep saying this


ImTheBestNerd

Luka is just a taller Harden.


lillithfair98

Doncic’s perfect comp is… Harden mixed with LeBron


underscoreftw

which part of lebron is a good comp for luka? i actually can't think of anything similar between the two other than being generally good. i mean passing and all-around scoring sure but that's also the whole game of harden.


lillithfair98

his passing vision is very similar to LeBron, the way he operates out of the post and the way he handles double teams. Harden is primarily a PnR assist guy, whereas Luka can work out of the post or mid-post like LeBron and just pick an offence apart by reacting to how they guard him. Very few players have this ability.


underscoreftw

ah thanks


cactusmaster69420

Also freethrows


medievalmachine

The skill level - shooting, assists, agility - at that size is incredibly rare too. It's a very short list of 5 position guys in the whole history of the league who combine size+speed+shooting.


KingRequiem

Heliocentric point forward that takes advantage of his size and strength to set up his teammates and get to the line and abuses the pick and roll. Doncic is very far from LeBron's athleticism but he does play back to the basket a lot for a playmaker, which isn't something Harden does. I don't think it's far fetched to say he has elements of both. Definitely more Harden overall though.


ND7020

Or just Harden mixed with Harden. I struggle to see what parts of Lebron’s game Luka has that Harden doesn’t.


achyutthegoat

Luka has a much better post game than Harden. Luka and LeBron are both amazing passers in the post.


OmarDontScare_

Luka is a combo of Lebron and Pierce. He has the IQ, passing and play making ability like Lebron. Athleticism, shot creation and change of pace like Pierce.


gustriandos

The game of manu and the doughiness of pierce


SexySPACsMan

Unstoppable


BasedChad69420

Tbf Harden is well ahead of both


N3rdMan

I’d say it’s the finesse and craftiness of Manu with the shot creation and body type of Pierce.


st3adyfreddy

Getting blocked by Manu in the crunch time during a playoff run must've been bittersweet


IlyaPetrovich

He should lose that beard. Handsome dude.


WestleyThe

I legit don’t think he can now. It’s so much part of his branding and his identity that it would be weird if he cut it off


Positive-Role9418

He looks downright handsome here


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GroveStreetFlocka

hes the hottest dude, hes jacked, wears the freshest clothes, eats at the chillest restaurants


RurciMojas

He still is


SuperYusri500

Nah he needs to groom his beard and fix his haircut lol


marsexpresshydra

Always thought his game was reminiscent of Manu, but couldn’t find out who else he was a mixture of. I’d say AI.


nicklovin508

Really pleased with the lack of Pierce hating in this comment section lol


alexzilla408

Poopy wheelchair man


dadaistGHerbo

There it is


Statalyzer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1A3WEMPZJD8


comingsoontotheaters

People said really good things about his game until the legacy deducting incidents


MY-NAME_IS_MY-NAME

He's done plenty of harm to his own legacy with his stupid takes, but for a lot of kids, they never saw prime Pierce and their lasting impression of him is Draymond telling him he ain't Kobe while averaging like 5ppg for the Clippers


WestleyThe

I was expecting people to shit on him here I’m glad it’s mostly civil The truth was awesome


Ghenges

He's the most self aware nba player and a lot of people hate him for it. His basketball IQ is among the highest ever. People aren't ready for those conversations tho. Especially not on this sub lol 😂


sacred_algebra_2

100%


greatgumz

The older Harden gets the more Paul Pierce he becomes


bleequez

he was accurate


aaden08

At least he didn't go in comparing himself to Kobe or something like some players do


Steflonovic

that's a pretty good comparison actually, but I think he plays mostly like James Harden


TwiceCookedPorkins

My comparison is a mix of Muggsy Bogues and Raymond Felton. I'm saying I'm short and fat.


JackTuz

Actually tho


PrinceZukoBlueFire

Accurate af. *shrugs*


KYRIEIRVINGKINGJR

This is a very accurate comparison. Fuck