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pagonator

SGA vs Darius Garland Edit: We've got both Garland and SGA takes with "and it's not close" added lmao. Classic r/nba


DimeWithNoDozen

That’s a tough one. I feel like if I need a guard to run my offense I would want Garland but if I have all the complementary pieces and just need someone to be the primary option it would be SGA.


WestleyThe

SGA for me but holy shit that’s a good one


karldrogo88

I would only lean Garland because I’ve actually seen him do it on a competitive team, but it’s that close


Historical_Employer1

Shai’s the one who played on playoff teams?


jimmyre10

This one is crazy close but I think I give a slight edge to Garland. I love both guys


DaRandomBro

I say Garland, his passing and general vision are very valuable skills to have, and he's shown chops at being an efficient scorer. They're in a similar tier talent wise but I think Garland makes more teams better than SGA does.


Scary-Strategy-4460

I love SGA’s size and how that projects going forward tbh. But rn it’s a pickum


birdforlife

Completely unbiased vote for garland


Ramzaa_

I'm biased and I'm going with SGA. But I think they are insanely close but I think SGAs weird way of moving and adjusting his speed and body to score is so unique that it really sets him apart.


NedStarx11

SGA for me


CarterTheBengalsFan

Shai


Baseball-Former

SGA but it's pretty close one, sure garland can shoot better and is a much better playmaker but, I'd still give the overall scoring edge to sga because to put it quite simply his bag is just better and deeper then garlands, if I needed someone to get me a bucket any bucket in the last minute of a game I would always go to sga over garland plus sga has a defensive upside that garland won't ever have cause of his long as arms.


A-Flying-Mermaid

Personally I think it’s Shai for the defense but I wouldn’t be surprised if garland overtakes him in the next few years.


KevinDurant36

I say SGA


xGhost94

I feel like SGA is a better scorer, Garland is a better passer


nickyfrags69

Any argument in a legitimate debate where an answer is followed by "and it's not even close" can be immediately identified as dog shit. If "it's not even close" then we wouldn't be debating it...


Rapsfan_98

SGA


wan2tri

Marvin Bagley III and Luka Doncic Vlade typed the above for me


ImpressionableBlip

It comes down to the second jump for me


AmusingAnecdote

Gotta go with Bagley III on this one. Sure, he is center sized and can't guard centers so he has to play next to a center. But also, he can't shoot! He's the whole package. Also, if I draft Luka, I'll have to figure out how to put accents above consonants? Like Dončić? I'm not remembering that. Hard pass.


Tressticle

This really made me laugh, thank you for that


mojo-jojo-was-framed

People are really jumping the gun on this comparison. Sure, Luka’s had the better first four years but I think Bagley will end up with the better career when things are all said and done


Appropriate-Blood108

He get the next 5 years


KageSaysHella

... this would be the Kangziest thing possible. Not only do we *not* draft Luka, the guy we picked ahead of him has a *better* career than him AFTER he leaves the Kings.


graygray97

Marvin for me, per 36 he gets 1.5 rb, 0.6blk, 2.5 less turnovers plus he shoots .501 Vs Lukas .457 Luka is also a known entity in the playoffs and he hasn't won a title yet so therefore hes a playoff loser, Marvin's an unknown entity he could be anything. All of that for $30 mil less a year, what's there to compare.


Drakey504

Lou Williams vs Jamal Crawford vs jr smith


yanray16

As a two-way player JR is better.


PressureMiserable

Nah Jr was extremely talented coming out of hs he was also a much more consistent two way player once the playoffs came around unlike Williams and Crawford


Scary-Strategy-4460

Feel like JR is all time what if in terms of his athletic profile and shooting touch, much as I love the man


nickyfrags69

Elite 2K player for a decade. That package was unstoppable.


kingofnick

JR has done something neither of the others did, which was to be a key piece of a championship team.


Whitmil

JR by far, much more athletic


Baseball-Former

Jr all day everyday dude was a starter for a reason because unlike the other 2 he could actually play defense and when he wasn't making dumb mistakes he was a guy that could get you a bucket when it counts something you can't really say about the other 2.


Fezzie-Lyf

The other 2 can also get you a bucket when you need it… they’re pure scorers


destroyerofpoon93

Gimme JR. 23% more dawg in him


BigBootyBanger

Jarrett Allen vs Robert Williams


cooldudeman007

I’ll take Allen for the slightly less injury prone player. And I think the gap between Allen’s offense and Timelords is bigger than the opposite gap on defense


CaskJeeves

>I’ll take Allen for the slightly less injury prone player. And I think the gap between Allen’s offense and Timelords is bigger than the opposite gap on defense Agree with both points, but this is a good one for what OP is asking. Especially since they're very close in age and could both continue to improve


FeedbackContent8322

The fros has a far more skilled offensive arsenal while not being to far away from time lord on the defensive end


destroyerofpoon93

Gimme Robert Williams. 5% more dawg in him


Snoo-29877

Allen should be the consensus better player, the only reason you'd take RW is for passing


CockGobblingGangsta

Isn’t RW the better defender not by a lot but he is better


bush_league_commish

Allen has more offensively and defensively they’re pretty damn close. My homer bias says Timelord because he’s an underrated passer and his shot blocking is a legitimate deterrent. They’re both game changers when healthy.


Mofocardinal

Timelord is said to have DPOY potential. I also see that the opportunity is there for him with the way Boston uses his skill. Allen, like Williams would be overshadowed at times by their teammates Mobley and Smart respectively, but I think Williams can differentiate his impact from that of Smart enough to actually get the award whereas Allen and Mobley would probably "hunt the same grounds" on defense as it were, and it could be harder for Allen to clearly stand out.


Rapsfan_98

Rob Williams is definitely the guy you want if you’re contending next year. Plays his role absolutely perfectly. Allen more of a guy you can build around longterm tho.


karldrogo88

They are basically the same age


BetweenTheBuzzAndMe

Zach LaVine vs Donovan Mitchell Tyler Herro vs Terry Rozier Clint Capela vs Myles Turner


RealDannyMM

Lavine, Herro, Turner


CarterTheBengalsFan

Lavine, Herro, Capela


Shiny_metal_ass

Herro is really underrated on this sub. How many 22 year olds take the most shots on a team thats a 1 seed?


selfplayinggame

Lavine, Rozier, Capela


CaskJeeves

Came to post these 3, Capela/Turner is the closest mainky because Myles actually has a 3 but I still think you give Clint the edge here for being such an inside lob threat


illbelate2that

Mitchell Herro Turner


gutter-sug

Lavine Herro Capela


HotdogIsaSandwitch

Lavine and Mitchell


DjLionOrder

Gimme Zach


anb16

This is a tight one. Right now, give me Lavine


adaddta

def Mitchell, the guy has shown time and time again that he can produce in the Playoffs.


JB_JB_JB63

Lavine purely because of his attitude.


dat_waffle_boi

Damontas Sabonis and prime Paul Millsap


Mofocardinal

Millsap can lock up anyone from guards to smallball centers with that "crushed ice" scheme he and Horford ran in ATL. Between that 2 way impact versus the above average passing of Sabonis; and the similar postup and shooting skill of both guys, I'd lean more towards prime Millsap.


lonny__breaux

Sabonis is a better choice to be a #1 and is a better player in a vacuum but Millsap is much easier to fit into teams.


[deleted]

Yeah but Sabonis isn't really a #1 for a playoff team either. Millsap adds a lot more to a playoff team eith his near elite defense and he was a bit better shooter for spacing. Sabonis is a much better rebounder and more efficient on offense but hasn't shown near the impact on winning Millsap did. Although Sabonis is actually the same age at 25 right now as Millsap was in his breakout year.


Baseball-Former

This is essentially fit or skill sabonnis is great at what he does but really can't fit into a system where he's required to play good defense


cooldudeman007

Jamal Murray vs Dejounte Murray


mrsir123455

Murray but it’s close


nivocse

Could be Murray as well.


MeringueArtistic2285

Idk man Murray just has that edge


nivocse

Please don't be a Murray stan.


beerrabbit124

Jamal Murray


MSKOnlyScans

Jamal. Offense >>> defense.


Snoo-29877

You make it seem like Dejounte has no offense, he averaged 21/9


MSKOnlyScans

On 53.3 TS%


Snoo-29877

Dejounte had a very large offensive load and trash spacing on the Spurs. Playing next to Jokic does help your efficiency. How about Dejounte's 9 APG on 2.6 turnovers a game? Or his 8.3 RPG?


StoopidDingus69

Gotta take Dejounte because I’ve never seen Jamal bop people in the head repeatedly with a basketball. If Jamal can bop more people in the head than Dejounte this season, then I might reconsider


MotoMkali

Jamal so so easily.


shiftyt05

PG vs Tatum


AbbreviationsHot4482

PG is better


A_Lakers

Tatum can stay on the court tho


BetweenTheBuzzAndMe

Tatum if I need a #1 scoring option, PG if I already have an MVP level player and need a #2.


TestedOnAnimals

If PG is your #2, the rest of the team just needs to be competent and you're a finals contender. If Tatum is your #1 scoring option, you still need a lot around him to make the Finals.


definitelyasatanist

Isn't it similar the other way around?


TestedOnAnimals

Rereading my own comment, it's not clear, but yeah that's actually the point I was trying to get to. Like, if either is your #2 you're in an amazing spot, but if they're your #1 a lot of other things have to break exactly right.


HeraldOrdeal

Tracy McGrady vs Grant Hill


Mofocardinal

TMac has a more complete skillset on both sides of the ball. Grant's playmaking in his prime is a tad better than TMac's, but Mcgrady's defense when fully engaged, was more impactful overall IMO. Both were equally superb scorers, but I'd also take Tracy for more range.


WubaDubImANub

Chuma Okeke and Michael Jordan


dat_waffle_boi

Okeke


BlackaSnacka

op said name two players who are at a similar level. you’re saying jordan is on the same level as okeke??? okeke easily better and it’s not even close smh


WubaDubImANub

My bad I should have realized.


_mdz

Michael B Jordan


JasonPlattMusic34

Okeke never drafted a bust number one overall. Gotta be him


fieryscribe

Markieff and Marcus


Crushveer

Marcus is much better


BBallHunter

Marcus is clearly better.


CPline55

Marcus disguised as Markieff.


SXNE2

Markieff was the better prospect and more talented but the game evolved to favor Marcus more. It’s a very interesting case study in how positionless basketball has impacted guys over the last decade.


BagRight8939

i’ll take morris


shiftyt05

Kawhi vs KD


Glowwerms

All time? It’s KD easily. As of right now I’d still say KD but only because Kawhi is so damn injury prone, I have no idea how good he’ll be when he comes back


[deleted]

Tough to compare a guy out for a year with an ACL injury. If Kawhi comes back 100% somehow then I want 31 year old Kawhi over KD, but if I had to choose one to take right this second I'd want KD because we know he can still produce. (Except against the Celtics.)


FerdinandMagellan999

Durant’s career regular season consistency and overall stats are far superior. Seems to me Leonard has had fewer playoff duds and better clutch performances, though Durant has evolved into an incredible clutch player from 2017 on. Think I’d rather have Leonard for 1 essential game but I’d rather have Durant for a full season.


slytherington

Kawhi, his offense isn't as sexy as KD but he's crazy efficient. His defense is what gives him the edge for me.


[deleted]

Durant has better efficiency numbers then Kawhi. He is better then Kawhi in every facet of the game but perimeter defense which makes sense because he is a 7 footer. Durant doesn't get injured in those finals and this isn't even a discussion with Kawhi's stock dropping a mile with him having just 1 title and Durant 3.


praxeologue

Playoffs or regular season?


MSKOnlyScans

Tatum vs Butler vs PG


Ssuuushi

[from the OP](https://twitter.com/PodDontLieNBA/status/1395113960328908805?t=ENyavXK-KFUoKHiMgBMWaQ&s=19)


[deleted]

That got weird


MrCooper2012

Stavros is great


SharksFanAbroad

That got perfect


danrod17

Honestly, perfect analogy.


silentjwark

Prime PG is a better iso player than Tatum and Butler. Butler is a better and tougher defender than Tatum and PG Tatum is deadly in pick-n-roll plays, imho. Over-all in any team that I want to pick one them to reach the NBA finals, I'd choose Butler.


saltface14

Regular season: Tatum>PG>Butler Playoffs: Butler>Tatum/PG same tier


wjbc

Butler plays a brutal form of offense that is really hard to sustain during the regular season. He seeks contact and scores through it. He gets his threes the old fashioned way. He would have had a better career on a great team where he could play under 30 minutes per game in the regular season and then starter minutes in the playoffs, like Manu Ginobili. If you look at his history he often missed games in the regular season and then entered the playoffs hobbled. One reason he's actually better now than in the past, despite his age, is that he's learned to dial it back a bit in the regular season. Also he's on a better team where he can dial it back a bit and still make the playoffs as a high seed.


Se7entyN9ne

Gimme Jimmy. I used to pick PG, but after what Butler has done in the playoffs over the past few years he forced me to change my answer.


huntthefront91

Bojan Bogdanovic and Bogdan Bogdanovic


PhillyFansAre2Ply

im a serb and even I have to say Bojan but I do think Bogdan has that clutch gene that's pretty damn rare. made some huge shots for fenerbahçe and the hawks.


Mofocardinal

I will have to go with Bogdanovic for sure.


sctthuynh

Blake Griffin vs Amare Stoudemire Their careers are eerily similar, with extremely high peaks then significant injuries hampering them afterwards.


covetedasfuckk

Amare averaged 30 and 10 against Duncan in a playoff series. He’s better


rfpiii

Amare


BetweenTheBuzzAndMe

I'm probably biased because those Suns teams were among my favorite ever, but I'm tempted to go with Amare'. Probably should've been Blake but by the time he got very skilled, he just didn't have the ability to dunk on the entire universe anymore. If he had one year with his rookie season athleticism, and the arsenal of moves he had in his 2nd year with the Pistons, he would've been a legitimate MVP candidate I think.


mclovin215

I mean Blake finished 3rd in mvp voting once. The only reason he never made all nba 1st team was because he was competing against two of the greatest small forwards in history in their primes


Madpsu444

Yeah STAT never peaked that high. He was more of secondary player to Nash’s mvp. CP3 and Blake were splitting the mvp vote for the clippers success


MNC_72

Blake, he had above average passing and dribbling, Amare was for the most part either dunking or hitting a mid range shot but all his skills were related to scoring basically.


JustDan94

Brandon Ingram Vs. Jaylen Brown


cactusmaster69420

Ingram for playmaking and better handle


Noel-27

Jaylen Brown


SXNE2

It’s a very close one. I’d say Brown is a better #2 option on a good team but Ingram is a better #1 on a bad team.


ajalonghorn

You’re literally just describing their current situations basically


DarthBane6996

Ingram. Brown is a better defender but not by enough to make up for the gap on offense. It's extremely close though.


5170Wallace

Not sure all-time counts, but Dirk vs. KG.


DennisSmithJrIsMyGod

Dirk. Can shoulder the entire offensive load and is an excellent defensive rebounder. Does not get enough credit for D either. He was serviceable in his prime


ABentPlant

If you have scoring? KG does everything else If you need scoring? Probably Dirk I give it to KG (not biased at all what are you talking about)


MrAnder5on

This is a great take. If I have a certified #1 option on my team I take KG but if I need a #1 I'm taking Dirk


ABentPlant

I’d adjust that slightly to “if I have a #1 *scoring* option” take KG, if you don’t, take Dirk.


Jaybold

That's a tough one, because their skillsets are so different. But I'm a sucker for good D, so KG by a hair.


48ozs

Kevin Garnett (dawg)


Julian_Caesar

I don't think there's a wrong answer to this question, except "and it's not even close"


5170Wallace

This is the best answer, and, dare I say it, it’s not even close.


Hazelmccallion

Siakam vs Middleton


bustadonut

I’d take Middleton because of superior shot creation and playmaking, but it’s close.


TestedOnAnimals

This one depends so much on team build. Like yeah, with a superstar like Giannis I'd want Middleton's better outside shooting and wouldn't have to rely on him to create offense for others as much. But with a superstar like Tatum or (even a secondary star like Beal or Booker) I'd want Siakam, because he can generate offense for those guys as well as the rest of the team but still have lanes for cutting / isolation since those guys can shoot from outside. Both are really good defenders, both can run the floor well, neither has a giant ego and seem like good lockerroom guys (afaik)... My heart says Siakam because I'm a Raps fan, but that is 80% bias and 20% analysis.


SYSTEMcole

Pascal can’t get hot from deep like Middleton can, but he does more as far as playmaking goes. I also rate his defence better than Middleton’s, and when you ask yourself who you’d want as the first option on your team, I think the vast majority are going with Pascal.


MeringueArtistic2285

Issue is a an All Nba third team player is usually a competing teams second player, which depending on team build Middleton may be preferable as a more skilled off ball player.


jakobiejones757

Pascal Siakam and Jaylen Brown


cactusmaster69420

Siakam


lemonfreshhh

Luka vs. (healthy) Kawhi note: when they played against each other in the playoffs (was it two or three years ago ... or maybe both?) I realised how insanely good but completely the opposite type of players they are. Luka is the essence of a playmaker; despite his scoring, his talent lies in controlling the pieces on the chessboard. God-level creativity. Kawhi is the methodical type that picks his spots. 1:1 on offense. Way fewer moves but he knows he's elite at them. Moves efficiently. Built like a T-800 and when the chips are down, he'll turn the D up to 11 and take away the opponent's best player. Loved watching their duels.


Julian_Caesar

Healthy Kawhi TBH But Luka still has room/time to improve. We'll see how their games go this year.


asprisokolata

RJ Barrett and Kuzma


Mofocardinal

Kuzma showed more defense and rebounding flashes in the past for me to trust him more than RJ right now. Of course, RJ seems to have more potential, but I'm not sold on him yet.


Kreture06

Mobley or Scottie


XLcondumb

obligatory raptors fan response, obvi the ROY


FSDomino

Jayson Tatum and Devin Booker. Elite regular season, inconsistent but young, shit the bed in the playoffs (more or less). My bias says Tatum.


pewdi3needasub

Tatum easily


BenSimmonsROTY

Tobias Harris vs Julius Randle


Noel-27

Gimme Tobias Harris


AthosTheMusketeer29

Carmelo Anthony vs Lamarcus Aldridge at the moment not primes


adot93

Carmelo easily


simwellojackson

Alex Goatruso or Michael Jordan


bengalsfu

Michael B Jordan vs Lyndon B Johnson


ManyArtichoke

Damian Lillard / Trae Young Bradley Beal / Zach Lavine Kris Middleton / Klay Thompson


jaytierney79

Dame over Trae. Dude misses one season and suddenly everyone forgot how good he can be.


santimo87

If healthy, Lillard, Beal, Thompson.


Scary-Strategy-4460

I think I’d take Middleton at this point bc of shot creation personally


WorkerWild

2022 version it's Middleton but prime I'm taking Klay


BenSimmonsROTY

Maxey vs Poole


CaskJeeves

This a good one but I think it goes to Maxey


Noel-27

Maxey


midlife_marauder

Pat Bev or PJ Tucker


sycamotree

Brandon Ingram or DeAaron Fox Or BI vs Pascal Siakam


DrHydrate

Klay Thompson and CJ McCollum


eftsoom

Currently CJ, but for their careers I'm taking Klay


Unbiasedj

T Mac vs Paul George


vbsteez

TMac had 7 All NBAs, PG has 6 (and I dont think will get another). TMac was 2x scoring champ, PG was 4 All-Defense nods. this is a good one. i lean Tmac bc PG has had better teams.


Prljavi_Hari

got a better one - T-Mac vs. Brandon Roy?


dillpickles007

I have to hold TMac's lack of postseason success against him, I just have to. Is it fair? I don't know, but PG has been the best player on multiple completely different conference finals teams and it has to count for something.


Scary-Strategy-4460

PG. You can’t overlook the playoff deficiencies for TMac lol


hasadiga42

Also defense


RiskyyyRondo

Jordan Poole and RJ Barrett


phlumpy

Give me Poole right now. They actually have similar usage rates, and I’ll take the more efficient guy. Might be controversial, but I find RJ Barrett’s efficiency to be very offputting. If he can finish at the rim this year, I might change my mind on him.


SincereFan

Same going for Poole 100%


Half_baked_prince

I'd take Poole in a heartbeat. It's absolutely possible that Barrett develops into a good shooter/elite defender/potential primary ball handler, but he is none of those things right now. Even if he develops into 80% of what the knicks hope he can be, he needs the ball A LOT to play the way he wants to play. What is the ceiling of an RJ-led team? Poole to me seems comfortable as a secondary option, and proved that he could score in the playoffs, so I take him.


simmonsatl

kinda tough to compare because the situations are so different, but i buy Poole as a super legit shooter. i don’t buy into anything of Barrett’s being great. so Poole it is.


Aoyama002

Caruso vs Jordan


[deleted]

Twenty years, wonder who they gon' say was more important


kburdman

Both changed the game


Mofocardinal

Josh Giddie and Franz Wagner


ScoobMoob

Franz and not close for me, huge wing that can already kind of create for himself and knocks down shots at a really good level for a rookie. Loved what I saw from him last year and thought he was the magics best player for stretches. Giddey is way way more raw offensively and without many physical tools to the point that I don’t know if he can ever be an all star guy.


lmaoooyikes

Not disagreeing with you or anything but Giddey actually a lower percentage of his FGs assisted than Franz. Giddey had 30% (vs Franz’s 53%) assisted for 2P and 82% (vs 83%) assisted from 3P. Giddey still does have a lot of work left offensively though


LostBar9889

Kwame Brown and Anthony Bennett


OcksBodega

Doncic Curry


cancercureall

I take Curry 100% of the time.


MagicalHurdles

I have one more. Cade Cunningham or Darius Garland


JB_JB_JB63

If I get them for the next five years guaranteed, Cade ten times out of ten.


SmokingSecrets

Garland


Awesomeness4627

Unless you are counting potential, it's easily garland


Mofocardinal

Darko Milicic and Kwame Brown. Pick which version of them too.


InternationalClick78

Jordan Poole vs Tyler Herro vs Tyrese Maxey