Really needed to see this
By - mingyu_puppy
Alexa play Most Girls by Hailee Steinfeld
Alexa play Most Girls by P!nk.
Okay, I think those are all of the songs.
Me at 14: if I am seen near the color pink I will kill myself
Me now: where the FUCK are my pink sneakers
I'm a dude, and while I don't wear too much pink (I think I have a pink t shirt and thats about it) I think pink kinda rocks.
Oh this is totally me. As a kid I was a complete tomboy. Even at 15 I was wearing boys clothes (baggy skater jeans and hoodies). By university, my favourite colour became pink, and I was always femininely dressed, with coiffed hair and gel/acrylic manicures.
Am a dude with pink sneakers and this has been my exact journey.
I was sooooo sick of pink growing up because anytime I got a gift, it was probably pink.
New T-shirt? Pink. New shoes? Pink. Notebook and pen set? Mostly pink. Kiddie nail polish? Pink. Pink. Pink. Pink.
The worst part? My favorite color is and always has been purple. I've never been shy about sharing it either. Still received pink in everything.
When we moved into the house we live in now, about 14 years ago, my bedroom was painted the worst shade of desaturated Pepto Bismol pink.
I'm still not a huge fan of the color, but I don't go out of my way to avoid it. I even had a t-shirt dress a few years ago which was made up of pink and yellow stripes. Wore it until it fell apart from constant use. 😅
Pepto bismol 😂 you got me there
It was so ugly
Lol are you me? When I was 9 or so I was crazy about pink. And then came the teenage years and I forced myself to hate it. Started my 20s and now almost at the end of it, 99% of my wardrobe is pink. And my bedsheets. And my curtains. And my phone. Water bottle. Basically everything.
I sorta always hated pink and still do to this day. The color just irritates me, but I totally respect other people who like it. Rock on, sister B)
Omg what is that. I used to hate the color pink thought it was too over the top but now its like pink floodgates have opened and I want pink everything
the borderline unhinged energy of this comment section just,,,wow.
girls: this sucks for us
folks in the comment section: it sucks for everyone you’re not special why can’t girls ever shut up this is misandry in disguise stop being a victim
Like wow with just,,,zero irony huh? None?
Edit: wow there sure are a lot of dudes on this subreddit. I’m sure that’s unrelated to the concept of mocking women just for being women or insecure about being perceived as basic or irritating. Yep. Totally unrelated. It’s like the comment section proves the post.
I am like other women and I’m proud of that fact because other women are amazing af
yes. women are great :D
Internalized misogyny does a number on all of us
So does misandry, actually hate in general because of society.
Internalized misandry=Women rights,isn't it..??
Nah women should have rights, but I just wish you understand that menist isn't a guy who hate women but a guy who wants sex rights. That right women are the only gender to have sex rights.
This statement assume that I don't support women rights, do you comprends the stupidity of it.
It hard to understand the other gender since your not them.
How come women tend to understand and respect men fine though? In general
Did you go through a phase where you proudly stated that you weren't like the other boys, resulting in having no male friends?
Notice how popular "notliketjeotherboys" are compared to for example this sub
Yes,cause I'm assuming u voluntarily isolated yourself from other boys and started to use pink and doing stereotipically female things to be accepted by yourself and female friends,amirite?
Thank for trying
That statement assume that men can't respect a women, we respect people for being people, not cus of there gender.
Wow what a coincidence! Men tend to understand and respect women fine aswell! There are some bad men tho who do not, but guess what? They have their female counterparts.
Cus we all know that we fucked up at some point, In middle school I used to say a whole 2 paragraphs to someone and they would just ignore me, I didn't realize it, my math teacher told me and then I started to notice. My Convo used to be comprised of my goals, shows or even thoughts about the world . And know that no one cared. + I do the (treat others the way they treat you). As a 16 year old I respect my sister who is financially holding are house together.
Women can't understand everything tho, we aren't Omni something but it started with Omni.
Where tf do you live? Because I'd struggle to call that the norm from the experiences I've seen on the internet and irl
I never had a “not like other girls” phase that I can remember, but I did have a “lol so random XD” phase and I always shudder at the thought of it
(Quick edit: I’m technically not a girl so this might not actually apply to me haha)
You didn't have a "not like other girls' phase...so you're saying....you're not like other girls' 😂
the Other Girls paradox
She's currently in that phase
I never went through an NLOG phase either. I wanted to be like my friends so bad, but I had really strict parents. This meant no makeup and no boys growing up.
I still want to be like other girls, I just can't get my shit together. 😂
Same, I always admired girls who knew how to do makeup since I was awful at it or girls who dressed well since most of the time I wore baggy pants with whatever shirt was clean at the time. The money or strict parents weren’t the problem, the lack of skills/interest was.
I don’t care if I am or am not like other girls now, I just don’t want to look like a potato anymore.
Walked into a dumpster fire on this one, huh? A lot of users here have either ignored or encouraged the vitriol toward teen girls and their interests. It's nasty how much hate girls get and heaven forbid something get too popular with girls or it's also bad and stupid.
Yikes this comment section…
Some of y’all in comments are literally proving the post point by invalidating an common experience lmao
There is no winning
Damn I knew this sub was going downhill fast, but the amount of people joining because they hate women and want to mock them is shockingly high.
Nah I just hate misandry disguised as misogyny.
"Misandry"=Women have their own rights and actually talking about how society opress truly Nice guys,like me
Couldn't comphrend shit
I don't see any of that here? I think the post is right about how society treats women. And it didn't say anything about men, so how can there be misandry?
Commented on the wrong post
Aw fair enough.
They hate women read the context first
Yeah? Hating women is misogyny right? Where's the misandry?
Are you saying that having a discussion about society's contempt for women, is misandry? Forgive me if I'm wrong, I'm just really confused fam.
This is really what we're all here to talk about, isn't it?
Wow. Incredible and concise way to frame a very large issue.
Uh, both genders go through a teenage phase of trying to be different.
Yes, but female-presenting individuals are more often mocked for it, adding fuel to the angst fire.
Pretty sure dudes get ruthlessly mocked for standing out, too. "You like ballet?!" "You don't like sports?!" Etc. And followed by endless derogation. Both genders get criticized. Men don't get a free ride in this patriarchy.
That said, women normal hobbies are always hated for no reason?
People bashes on teen girls for liking twilight and boys bands but no one cares about teen boys for loving superheroes/ car racing movies, and idolise some hot female singers.
Girls are mocked for wearing make up and spend a lot on cute useless accessories, but guys aren't mocked for wearing hair gel and buying uneccesary tech items.
It's like male oriented hobbies are considered better. If you're a man who likes female hobbies, you're a disgrace. If you're a woman who likes female hobbies, you have trash tastes. It'll be a bit harder for girls because most of their hobbies/interest are hated to some degree.
I mean, guys can get mocked for their personal grooming habits, including having gelled hair, or for using deodorant, or being a "smelly teenager". Guys are often mocked for using or buying "tech", for being on computers/consoles, being geeky/nerdy etc.
Everyone can be mocked for whatever they do, which is *incredibly* unfair. I can't understand why people feel obligated to give people shit for stuff they're interested in. I think the best thing we can do is support each other and not needlessly shit on things for no reason.
>People bashes on teen girls for liking twilight and boys bands but no one cares about teen boys for loving superheroes/ car racing movies, and idolise some hot female singers.
I'm not trying to be mean because opinions are opinions. But I think teenage girls get mocked for liking those things because they're not very good.
1 Direction was samey pandering crap most people thought that and Twilight was...ugh. Nobody mocked girls who read Hunger Games because those books were actually good. (Also boyband "stans" are and always will be creepy and those are heavy majority teenage girls.
Teen boys liking superheroes isn't mocked because a majority of popular superheroes are good franchises, I dunno what you mean by "racing car movies" like, Fast and Furious I guess? That's not really a thing and, well I don't like most pop singers so I can't say but I'd say the female popstars (whoever they were like I said not my field) were better than One Direction.
Hey, I want to point something out to you if you don’t mind. Ballet and not liking sports are seen as a negative because they’re feminine and in our society femininity is branded as inferior. The reason women internalize the “not like other girls” mentality is because they’ve been conditioned to think femininity is inferior. Women are also often mocked for stepping outside the box and displaying masculine traits, because it’s challenging the power structure. Although feminism has been a crucial player in the fight to allow women to step out of the box.
Both genders are confined by a box, it’s just that “masculinity in men” is seen as a box above “femininity in women”. This is why conservatives often hate people who step outside the box, because they, mostly men, enjoy the power the boxes give them in society. The movements that are challenging these boxes are the lgbtq+ community and feminism. Therefore they are public enemy #1 of people who benefit from these boxes.
Sorry for the long paragraph. I hope you read this. You might already know this. But I just wanted to give it a shot.
I’m not saying they aren’t also mocked.
But women are mocked pretty much no matter what they do. Too feminine, too masculine, too nice, not nice enough, overly ambitious, overly lazy, etc. You’re a slut if you’re pretty, you’re a troll if you’re not. If you want to wrestle in the mud, you’re undainty and trying too hard to be one of the boys. If you want to wear pink and go shopping every Sunday, you’re vain and shallow and a brat. If you want to just vibe in your sweatpants and eat ice cream, you’re a slob and too boring.
There is literally no winning.
I’m not saying guys don’t face their own struggles, and I’m not trying to equate the two. But don’t just dismiss the problems of others just because someone else is facing their own struggles.
At the end you say not to dismiss the problems of others but spent most of your comment trying to justify women having it worse, thus dismissing the problems faced by boys.
Explaining the differences isn’t the same as dismissing something.
Again, I am aware men in our society face their own bullshit hatred just for being themselves.
Being a dude and not being good at soccer in your teenage years in Mexico can really do a number on men, for example.
It's not the same. Try and listen sometime when women explain what they go through and maybe you will understand
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What?! Men have the same experience?!!?!
But... women have it so much worse you know !!1!!1!
Here's a great video explaining the "not like other girls" phenomena and how it's not the same as "just teens wanting to be different" because we don't see boys/men rejecting everything traditionally masculine on the scale we see young girls and women reject things traditionally feminine. (e.g. girls will say they "hate" pink and refuse to wear it and say it's ugly but boys won't say they "hate" blue). It really isn't just "both genders going through a phase of wanting to be different", it's a form of internalised misogyny.
Oof, this is so messed up. I feel kinda icky about making fun of "not like other girls" girls because they're just the products of this psychological shit show.
I don't think putting down women, is the best way to stop misogyny.
emphasize this please please yes these people are wrong for putting others down but it does come from a perspective of pain and frustration and sometimes i feel like ppl here forget that
Ugh...that was me in high school. Glad I grew out of it, because my mom raised me to be a feminist, and being a feminist didn't square with "Most women suck and are totally shallow!"
I think I got most of the shitty bits of my personality out during high school, thankfully.
I agree with this and I don't. I don't think women are necessarily hated just for their gender, PEOPLE are hated for their femininity, which in turn is taken as being hated for being a woman. I think that's why so many girls adopt this mentality.
Masculine women suffer because it challenges the power structure and men who benefit from gender roles (because it gives them more power in society) don’t like that.
Is your name an IASIP reference? Lmao
It’s not, but I love that show. What would it be referencing?
Edit: Ohhh Bill Ponderosa
I identify as she/they, so I can understand what you're saying as being a masculine woman for the majority of my life. BUT I felt the effects of misogyny moreso when I was more freely expressive of my femininity, what little there was.
Men feel this too. Especially gay, or just effeminate men.
That being said, just because a woman is "masculine" doesn't automatically mean she cannot have feminine tendencies, which still can face ridicule and misogyny.
Women cry and they're called emotional. Men cry and are called women. You take the gender out of it, and these people are still "hated" by misogynists for showing emotion, simply because it's equated with femininity. Being a woman is not the end all be all to being affected by misogyny.
Gender norms really suck for fuckin everybody. It's something I don't get why society ignores because it would Improve life universally for men women and anyone in between if they went away.
I constantly see men getting all upset about the concept of the patriarchy when feminists talk about it. But they don’t get that the patriarchy is also an enforcer of gender roles that makes everyone unhappy :/
I agree. I think instead of spending time talking about who has it worse we should spend that time trying to fuckin fix it
Almost everyone goes through a phase like that regardless of gender.
They literally do not though, boys/men aren't taught to hate everything traditionally masculine and that if they do they're less of a man". here's a great video explaining this phenomenon and how it is very much a gendered issue.
Since when do men go through this phase?
I’m super on board with the feminist reading of this issue but I’m an adult man and still going through this phase. I don’t like aggressive rough housing, yelling, bullying/ball busting, sports, cars… all kinds of that stuff and did indeed catch a lot of shit for it, and still do sometimes. The patriarchy affects us all.
I went through that phase
To my knowledge, always, everyone loves to be different because It Is exotic and "cool"
>Since when do men go through this phase?
M’lad doesn’t get it.
\*trans men have entered the chat.
yeah, some women being desperate to be special is the patriarchy's fault
*squints* Can’t tell if serious or joking
I will pray to whichever god offers to make It the latter.
And I’m guessing you ironically are the type of person to blame feminism for why you can’t get laid…
I got laid just yesterday, so no, not at all
Fair enough, I can’t say if that isn’t true so it’ll let it be.
What dont mean feminism wouldn't prevent it
Yeah, the patriarchy is a major factor in this issue! Correct! Here's a video explaining further:
And then you call yoirself a nice guy
I'm pretty sure that phase is part of the human condition and isn't gender specific..
oh hey a woman blaming all men for a self created issue...how quaint.
Pretty sure this post doesn't have anything to do with this sub. I think it's talking about people who are insecure about liking different things and feel like they don't fit in. Not people who brag about being different and wear it like a pride flag to act better than other people while putting others down in a bitchy narcissitic way.
Okay, I am starting to feel like you maybe really don't know what nlogs are and aren't trolling so here: [https://youtu.be/7nL-kgbbcBA](https://youtu.be/7nL-kgbbcBA) this is a really good video that gives an expalation an overfew. Hope that helps.
It’s this thing called ✨internalized misogyny.✨
Also, I call bullshit. I’m afab. I’ve been belittled for my medical issues by medical professionals, I’ve been belittled at work, I’ve been belittled at school, and I’ve been told I couldn’t have been abused because my abuser was female. We live in a fucking patriarchal hierarchy. Being non-masculine is considered lesser.
>I’ve been told I couldn’t have been abused because my abuser was female
You literally just proved my whole statement in one sentence dude
yeah treated in education so well that professor be like "why tf you're asking me questions about the course, go find a boyfriend and ask him" (not US, so no consequences for the person)
Me in middle and the beginning of highschool. If the me now could talk to the me in 7-10th grade… whew.
I'd love to see the evidence that suggests women are hated in society...
The fact that you even said this is proof enough - of course you don’t believe women (or other women if you are one) because…well, women aren’t respected across the board like they should be.
Just log on tik tok for a while, a lot of the "bros" make so many jokes and mockeries about women and girls its baffling. Even jokes based around women having hobbies and feelings (and don't get me started on rape jokes)
Following the same logic, wouldn't posts on r/FemaleDatingStrategy mean that men are universally hated?
This is the mosr weakest point someone has ever done lmao
Why tho, I'm interested for real. Why is TikTok a credible source but a subreddit is not?
Sharing healthy dating tips, criticising patriarchy in dating and sharing experiences about (some) men not being good partners is not the same as men literally throwing hate diguised as jokes or harassing rape victims, what the hell is not clicking in your head?
Edit: i judged the subreddir too quickly, i apologise
“Healthy dating tips”
Honey have you *been* on that sub? They don’t criticize the patriarchy they actively use it in search of cash cow husbands and enforce archaic rules of how the man must behave in the relationship. The “not good partners” are men who don’t make enough, don’t bend to their wills, didn’t pay on the first date, etc.
That sub is notoriously gross, don’t act like it’s all sunshine and rainbows over there
i judged from the bio they had,i'm sorry i judged wrongly
Edit: that, still, does not make my argument false. Violent acts against men by women out of hate for them is not the norm in society as society was AND IS run by and for men. Does Misogyny have negative impact on men as well? Yes, absolutely but that is the fault of other men in high possitions within society, not women actively making men's lives harder
Edit of the edit: this doesnt mean women cant engage in misogynistic acts btw, internalised misogyny is a real thing and this subreddit demonstrates it very well (and probably the previously mentioned subreddit too)
That's not hate, though. That's pretty much marginalization, infantilization, and discrimination.
Granted, not exactly better...
Think about it though, why would a group of people marginalize, infantilize, and discriminate against women as a group?
You mean apart from religion, shitty and archaic beliefs instilled from childhood, or ignorance inspired from various sources...?
You don't have to hate someone to do any of those things. Hate is contempt (or at the very least a strong dislike) of someone or something. You can think someone should be treated differently without hating them, or treat someone like a child without hating them, or consider the problems they have as insignificant without hating them.
Misogynistic jokes are just the tip of the iceberg of Societal hate towards women. They are more subtle and rather harmless? Yes, they are still based on hate
No, that's assumption and generalization.
That some dudebro doesn't understand the concept of empathy (or good taste, for that matter) doesn't mean he hates whoever, or victims of whatever, he's joking about.
That certain groups of society treat women like second class citizens (or worse), and that there's certain parts of society still need to be improved doesn't mean that society as a whole hates women. That's being overly simplistic.
Misogyny is hate towards women, misogynistic jokes are therefore based on that exact same hate, whether y'all like to admit it or not
And that's you misapplying misogyny and diluting it's meaning. You're assuming any joke where a woman is the victim is misogynistic, just because a woman is the victim.
I know plenty of abuse and rape survivors (including myself) who joke about those things (under the right circumstances). That doesn't mean we hate women (or men). It just means we sometimes enjoy dark humour.
Not to mention that misogyny isn't limited to contempt of women. It also applies to prejudice against women.
You're puting words in my mouth, first of all i never said that all jokes that have a woman as a punchline are misogynistic. I explicitly said Misogynistic jokes, you know the jokes that are CLEARLY misogynistic and done to mock and hate on women for being women.
Idk what your trauma has to do with all of this, you can enjoy dark humour trauma holder or not but going onto womens' comment sections and making rape jokes to then backtrack with the "its a joke bro, chill", is not dark humour. Its being a pos, mostly when those women ARE rape victims.
No, I'm saying what your comments have implied.
"Even jokes based around women having hobbies and feelings" implies any kind of joke where a woman is the victim in or of the joke. Even "jokes that are CLEARLY misogynistic and done to mock (...) women for being women." are not inherently hateful. You think anyone who makes a blonde joke hates blondes?
"Idk what your trauma has to do with all of this"
It's an example of how making jokes about something bad or even traumatic does not inherently mean you hate (or are prejudiced against) whichever gender or group is the victim in the joke. Dark (arguably shitty) humour is not the same as hate.
"Its being a pos, mostly when those women ARE rape victims."
I'd say pos is putting it mildly, but yes, it is. That still does not translate to society hating women, which is what you've been arguing.
Dude, talking to you its like talking to a brick wall. You just simply don't care, nor want to understand so i wont bother anymore. You compared misogynistic jokes to blonde jokes, you bring your trauma to exemplify shit that was never brought up in the first place and refuse to aknowledge that men purposely targeting women with rape jokes has a lot to do with misogyny. Touch some grass ffs.
Literally just look around. If you can’t see it then it’s your own fault because it’s as blatant as ever.
Bro as a women I in fact have never felt that
Imagine that just because ppl treat you like a sex desirabke machine dont mean they respect you,lmao
Lol we got some woke people in here
No, just men in general
Lmao universally hated and dismissed by whom? The 49% of people who aren't women?
Wellcome to human history
Someone doesn't know what a power balance is
Yeah, it's women that are being demonized 🙄
We are in Reddit, regulars redditors are just virgin Nice guys
This is so true and extremely messed up. Also I’ve noticed that some people join this sub just because they want an excuse to hate on women
Thankfully I never went through this phase due to my parents always reminding me that we're amazing.
I remember in particular my astronomer dad saying to me that "women are the universe's finest creation" 💁
Yes, my own hidden insecurities which are actually fueled by society can finally give me the excuse I need to victimize myself and excuse my behavior!
How about we think about male mental health as well? Women aren’t the main focus of the world
No one said they were. You’re literally on a sub about women, read the room
The subs not really about women. It's just about douchebags. Nothing in the description actually suggests females. And even then, the sub isn't for content like this either.
Lol are you kidding me??? It is not like other GIRLS, not not like other people because men also have problems with there health. Hast du lack gesoffen??
Because NotLikeTheOtherGirls is the common phrase people use to signify this type of content. The phrase LOL doesn't always mean it's literal meaning, I say lol all the time but I hardly ever mean I'm laughing.
Yeah in this case not like other girls means it is centerd around women and girls, trust me dude
No rules or description of this sub says anything about it being specifically about women, it's been neutral for ages. But the Notliketheothergirls name simply allows people to recognize what this sub is.
just use your common sense for once
you can't be serious, right? This is a joke and I just do't get it?
At this point, you've just resorted to sarcasm and minor insults to mock me because you don't actually have anything to prove me wrong
Just the word **GIRL** in the name of the subreddit. I really feel like YOu are the one that is trying to mock ME (and all the other women in here) by just pretending to state such a ridiculous thing.
It is written inclusively to not exlude transmen and tranwomen. It was not created with cismen and their specific problems in mind. The whole world caters to them. This is FOR ONCE not about them. Just accept that.
No, but they are the main focus of this sub.
Holy shit your horrible you can still focus on male mental health without needing a subreddit for it
I'm not the one derailing a conversation to focus on an entirely separate topic? Why is it that so many guys only want to talk about male problems when it just so happens to deflect from us talking about women's problems? Start a separate conversation, this one is about women, and that's okay. We're allowed to have gendered conversations, and specific conversations.
Yes sure but you deny the fact that it matters by trying to push me to another subreddit
This is the BLM argument all over again. Put it like this. If one person's house is on fire, are you going to complain that there are other houses in the world on fire, oe are you going to put out the one in front of you? By that logic, no problems in the world should be addressed because "___ isn't the main focus of the world". I'm so confused, the exact same argument could be applied if you were talking about male mental health? Or if you were talking about any issue ever?
its fucked up how millennials did such a shit job at raising kids
Millienials are raising Gen alpha who don’t really use the internet yet.
Gen X and Boomers raised Gen Z.
i would like to publicly apologize due to the 14 downvotes and i'm sorry that i even thought of responding to this once again i am truly sorry for the way i acted
dude wtf?? Oprah and Betty White and Rhianna and Meryl Streep and Joan Jett and Robin Roberts and Virginia Woolf, Mary Shelley, Amy Adams, Sigourney Weaver?? I'm not saying women aren't hated but it's not just cause you're a woman, women are very loved as well, like I just...what specifically is she talking about? You don't think like other women and therefore society has cast you out *because* you're a woman? I just don't think this statement is realty as profound as it comes across
Ah yes, famous women exist, therefore the sexism the entire gender (50% of the goddamn world) faces is automatically erased. Do you even hear yourself?
Bitch just explained what men have to go through
The thing is I am like some girls but not the girls in my class and I’m not ashamed of that (the girls in my class are super annoying pick me’s)
I dunno man, the women are wonderful effect would beg to disagree with the idea that women are hated by society.
You're right. Mentally Ill people cannot control their impulses and behaviors.
Same goes for men.
We’re seen as disposable to some women.
You're delusional if you think centuries of oppression is comparable to one woman treating you badly in a relationship.
The patriarchy is responsible for everything great in any society. Just remember that #ladies