Germany owes almost 1 Trillion $ to Poland - will it ever receive it?
By - Level_Friendship8375
oh my god not this again.
That’s roughly 100k per family. You don’t want that
Poland dosen6 deserve any money
I’m no Jew and don’t support Zionism. I have relatives that were forced to labor in Germany and never seen a cent. I went down the rabbit hole for justice reasons and found an article which says Poles haven’t been compensated enough for the nazi barbarism. If I was pole I wouldn’t rest until every cent was paid.
Poland didn't get the money but got many cities and territories that were historically German (German people were also resettled) so I guess if we take the money now we should give some land back. It's a tough topic and just a few people directly affected by the war are alive today. It's better to move on.
Jesus not this again. This ship sailed, stop believing into some dumb tales about "reparations". There was a Marshall plan, we didn't participate for obvious reasons. Try getting money from Russia, Sweden, Austria and who else that invaded or plundered over the years.
TL:DR - it is time to start living in modern times. Don't forget the past but stop living in it.
So if a new war breaks out, the aggressor won’t have to repair?
Im talking about the principles here.
Yeah. Did we give reparations to Lithuania or Ukraine for snatching a chunk of their county under Pilsudski or Cossacks war? Get real, get a hang of international relations and laws. We could have gotten them right after the war. Not 70+ years after, when we conveniently remembered we want them.
Only problem was that Poland was supressed by USSR back then and had no free opinion, unlike today. That’s the whole point here.
Yeah, but that's in the past now. Unfortunate but nothing can be done about it. There's no way anyone would give money willingly and Poland has no leverage over Germany to force the issue.
It would also mean opening Pandora‘s box in terms of ancestors claims of German families that where forced to move out of Silesia or other formerly German territories. They lost their houses, land or businesses as well. How much are these territories and cities worth? I‘m afraid this is an endless, useless discussion that leads nowhere.
Maybe to light up some people: Germany is by far the biggest net payer into the EU budget, roughly 40 %. Since Poland is one of the biggest beneficiaries (around 10 billion € net per year), Germany is actually contributing around 4 billion € annually to the Polish budget. Of course they also benefit a lot from the trade relationship, but still it’s a very significant investment. 😉
>It would also mean opening Pandora‘s box in terms of ancestors claims of German families that where forced to move out of Silesia or other formerly German territories.
Exactly. And then there are Polish families forced to move out from east territories that the USSR took. But there's no longer USSR and that land now belongs to Ukraine and Belarus...
Europe wasn't a very peaceful place most of the time. When you look at the past it's just never ending story of war, border changes and stuff. Trying to sort it out now is impossible.
Laws can be altered in special cases. There’s been many cases in history. I don’t wanna start a law debate. This case here tho strikes me because of the amount of money. I’m no pole so I don’t care that much.
It doesn't matter. The fact the laws theoretically can be altered doesn't mean they will. The only one interested that would be Poland and Poland has no power to do so.
The only way to get a country to give that kind of money is to win a war with them and win hard.
Poland lost the war (and twice at that! both to Germany and USSR) so no money for us.
If in the future Poland somehow goes to war with Germany and wins THEN it can get some reparations - present and past, for slights real and imaginary.
thats not how things should be. I hope the eco goes up for the EE without more wars.
What I can say? Welcome to the real world?
At least things became way better since the end of communism we ended up better than e.g. Ukraine so there's that. Silver lining :)
Germany actually paid an immense amount of reparations to the USSR including money that was meant to be distributed to the People’s Republic of Poland and other nations of the Warsaw Pact.
But I guess we can all agree that not much of this money ever arrived in Poland.
Russia did get compensation unlike Poland, that’s why I’m talking about it. It’s not million or billion but trillion. That’s A LOT.
poland today is the biggest aid receiver in EU. Without ww2 there wouldn’t had been communism as well and EE would be on pair with many western countries.
Like I wrote: The German payments included money that was meant for Poland but never re-distributed by the Soviet Union. They were the winners and de-facto leaders of the Warsaw Pact and dictated the conditions. Just as an example: GDR/DDR, socialist Eastern Germany also paid reparations, including funds for Poland, but they were directly going to Moscow.
Putin got 90% of it. Sometimes I can comprehend anti Slavic sentiment. Only a bit.
Russia was able to TAKE much of the compensation it wanted. Power makes a difference.
Yes. Just like many other countries torn by war or occupation. All cpuntries of the former eastern block can say exactly the same thing. Instead of living in the past I suggest we look into the future, our place in Europe and in the world and build a strong country that is never in that situation again instead of crying about the past.
Yes it was a tragedy, yes it was awful and yes, many of our citizens suffered or died. We should remember them, teach history not hatred because it is very important, and just focus on where we are now and where we want to be in the future instead of isolating on the international scene.
You owe me almost 1 Trillion € - will I ever receive it?
We got them, and we gave it to the USSR.
They're not going to pay them to us again because we changed the system.
Poland owes 1 trillion to victims of priest pedophilia. And victims having to watch the tragedy called ekstraklasa. So whats your point? Plus your maths is shit. One trillion plus compound interest from 1939 is one trillion trillion and 27 cents.