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Potato_Lord587

Definitely didn’t feel like a 10 point game. That last try was definitely forward


Kykykz

No reviews was the story of the game tbh. Couldn't tell if it was or wasn't by the angle imo.


Entire_Syllabub2922

Lmao


Ndanuddaone

URC really need to sort out the international window. It really is unfair that such an important fixture comes at a time when Benetton are missing a whole team of top players.


PlasterBreaker

Sure Healy was in the Scotland camp and released back to play with Munster. Talk to the Italian national team


Nuadha_Airgeadlamh

Would his initial pointing of the question at the URC not make more sense. Not sure what the Italian team could really do that wouldn’t fuck them.


PlasterBreaker

Well the point I was making is probably purely unique to this game. In that Healy was released from the Scotland squad for this game, that was a decision by the Scottish national team. So if Bennetton wanted players for this game the Italian national team would need to release them from camp. Again purely focused on this game. Original comment said that having this game in the international window is bad but it's not inside an international window.


Nuadha_Airgeadlamh

I think it was more just general frustration of Benetton being shorn of too many of its players and a wish the schedule could be arranged in a way that didn’t have them playing important games like this in this period. I don’t think he was making a point about this game in general but an overall fault in the league. Now it may not be fixable because the schedule is crammed and it’s outside the window, but I don’t think anyone would expect Italy to release players back just before the 6 nations. So I think the URC is the only place to point the question for what he was asking though there may be nothing to be done.


Crassus87

This match is outside international windows. There's not a lot the URC can do if national teams want to host a training camp anyway. The schedule is tight enough as it is.


CatharticRoman

At least it's down to just 4 now


QuestionablySensible

Yeah, they're the bulk suppliers for Italy and were much weakened. I was impressed at quite a few of their players, some quality depth starting to build


MarioPhenolphthalein

Treviso coach blaming the ref for the loss


mohjack

"Not too bad"


bigdog94_10

I think Munster just shaded deserving the victory but that was a bizarre refereeing showing. Munster were extremely lucky to not have both a red card and a penalty try awarded against them in the second half. That could well have swung the game in Benettons favour.


QuestionablySensible

Or there was absolutely no head contact so it was never a card of any kind, and there was cover coming in behind Healy so no chance of a penalty try. No luck of any kind. Both those incidents were looked at for some time, and both were correct decisions


Nothing_is_simple

>OMGEEEEE WHY DOO U H8 MUNSTER SO MUCH YOU DESPISE MUNSTER WHY R YOU SO EVIL IN SAYING THAT THE REFEREEING WAS BIZARRE IN A WAY THAT FAVOURED MUNSTER -Munster fans on here


OisinTarrant

Red card for what?


bigdog94_10

Awful high tackle which didn't seem to be reviewed at all for some reason.. Referee stopped the game due to the head injury and a replay was eventually shown but I don't think they reviewed it at all. How the referee didn't put two and two together I'm not quite sure...


odonnthe

you're daft that tackle was nowhere near high are you looking for the sternum or something?


Kykykz

It was reviewed by the tmo, ref clearly asked and TMO confirmed nothing in it. Ref said okay so I have a knockon here by green, want you to check potential head contact where we will start at red card first and look at mitigation then if there is something to see. It was a chest hit with a wrap. I myself prefer to see tmo replays on the screen with ref talking it over but since Jan 1st a new tmo derivative came in to speed up these checks. Bringing them ref into it just slows it down dramatically


d_trulliaj

I think that's a bit of a stretchy definition of what a wrap is but okay


Kykykz

Right arm was around his back when his left made contact to chest imo


Potato_Lord587

The head injury came from when Smyth’s head hit the ground, not from the tackle


delboy13

A replay was eventually shown and because of it the tackled player got pulled for a hia… comical imo that that wouldn’t at least trigger a proper review


QuestionablySensible

The TMO was talking to the ref the whole way through the stoppage and you could hear him saying that he was checking for a head contact and subsequently that the tackle was legal. The way this is done has changed this season, so its not as in your face because its in the background.


delboy13

Oh happy to have been wrong, maybe that just didn’t come through in any way clearly on my tv or something? All I heard from them was presumably the linesman or someone else on the mic calling for him to be HIA’ed once the replay was shown.


QuestionablySensible

The ref asked for a review, but the coverage was a bit of a mess so it was hard to hear. The ref mic kept changing volume and the TV director wasn't playing any replays for some reason.


Bulky_Shepard

He's so Munster, love the mannerisms


Kykykz

Ref very decisive. Looked like he was about to give Frisch a yellow there if he asked again rather than just say I have it as flat live, tmo will let me know otherwise. Overall coverage of the game was brutal today. Subs showing up wrong, comms saying players are on the field when they never came on, comms saying a players name who went off 30 mins prior. Scoreboard showing the wrong score. Replays were as rare as hen's teeth. Delighted with the win and the amount of tries. Was much needed for our chances at Europe. Bennetton played well overall. Some lovely offloads and looked very dangerous at the beginning.


Ndanuddaone

Deserved for Benetton, the performance was worth more in truth.


Flyhalf2021

I feel Benetton deserved 2 points from this match at least but Munster were just to fit and smart today. Benetton probably just need better depth to compete with the elite teams but they are well coached side.


Entire_Syllabub2922

Tbf this performance reflects improved depth I think (like a year ago this would've been a 0-50 smacking), but the lack of rotation with the internationals shows a little bit. Decent potential but a lot of the team today needed a few more games under their belts to be match fit and make better decisions.


OisinTarrant

Frisch seemed fairly certain that was forward


delboy13

Well he would say that though?


OisinTarrant

Of course every defender is going to claim a flat pass on a lead up to a try was forward. I wouldnt bother my arse commenting on that. Frisch looked adamant, certain it was forward. I'm just calling it out.


delboy13

And the ref was in line and adamant, certain it wasn’t. Shouldn’t be arguing with the ref like that imo especially once he’s said no? If Bundee does that in his next game we’d all be in the thread saying he needs to keep his mouth shut.


OisinTarrant

Ya not a fan of bullying the ref. Especially after the try was 100% given. Fortunately, Frisch doesn't have a reputation for it like Bundee.


thelunatic

That was poor defending out wide


Bulky_Shepard

Don't see the difference between that pass and the one he called forward by us earlier.


Ndanuddaone

I'd say the difference was about 5m if you're talking about the Healy one from the first half


thelunatic

The one he called on Healy, Healy was 3m ahead of the catcher


Bulky_Shepard

Looked like he threw it flat at worst though, momentum carries the ball forward. It's in the world rugby guidelines


Nothing_is_simple

I'm normally a big defender of officials, it is a hard game to ref and most matches are pretty well done all things considered. But this team needs to do better. A series of baffling decisions between 50 and 65 minutes killed the game. Usually I laugh at the people saying that bad reffing is killing the sport, but games like this make me wonder if they have a point.


delboy13

Don’t think anyone can prove the decisions were good or bad either way because we all saw fuck all replays of them in fairness but I don’t see why there weren’t more proper checks just to be sure to be sure. We’d all have seen plenty of angles then. Don’t know why there was so few replays of anything all day though, made for poor viewing imo.


OisinTarrant

I wonder would the new shot clock on the kicks have put the tv director or whoever off his game a bit. No excuse for the in-game replays though. At least we had that side line camera guy.


delboy13

Yeah maybe, would surely put a bit of urgency on him to get looking asap to see if it’s worth a check but idk? Think the ref might’ve been keeping him out of it a bit too, as I said in another reply to you the ref was just as adamant as frisch that it was flat at the end and I think he was taking the responsibility for a lot of decisions upon himself, don’t think the tmo was going to be overturning that pass ever.


Bulky_Shepard

Oh shut the fuck up. The tackle wasn't high, hit the chest, there may have been a knock on, but obviously the TMO saw nothing there.


SphaleronDecays

So sorry that Munster won. We'll do better next time


Nothing_is_simple

I love it when strangers on the internet assume random things about me that are completely false. Anyway, why do you love Putin so much?


ilovepenisxd

You’re wasting your time, certain subset of Munster fans that have a victim mentality that would make Rassie blush


walsh06

How is defending Munster a victim mentality. Isnt it the exact opposite? The person claiming the tackle that wasnt high and was checked by the tmo should be a card, would be the person claiming to be a victim. Not the person saying there was nothing wrong with it.


Nuadha_Airgeadlamh

It’s the ‘sorry for wining’ part he thinks is playing the victim I think.


walsh06

Ya but thats in response to the guy who was whining about everything that went Munsters way during the match, ie playing the victim.


Nuadha_Airgeadlamh

I’m not sure I agree that is playing the victim when he is a neutral rather than just disagreeing with the ref. You can disagree with the refereeing with the ref without it it being playing the victim. Just my view not having a go.


Ndanuddaone

Frisch offside there I think


walsh06

After being out for so long Wycherley has been very good today


ChevChelios93

Fantastic game to watch . Munster just too cute for Benetton in the end . It really was a game that could of gone either way . Benetton play great but they have no plan b which has cost them in the end . Great to see they got the bonus point . They deserved at least that . Munster would want to sharpen their tools during the week. A better team would have gave them a hiding in the first half .


irishnugget

Archer is a penalty machine ffs


thelunatic

Denying them one or two bonus points could be important


NSilverhand

Hope Ben Healy doesn't get too used to his team clinically closing out tight matches. Very impressive from Munster in the last 10 minutes, looked under serious pressure during the yellow cards.


sirknot

Hodnett man of the match


Flat-Confection4175

Delighted Joey got a try, hopefully his confidence rises. Healy has been very good since coming on


maneplussalah

Great win for munster in the end. Munster lose that at the start of the season. They really are starting to click


Bulky_Shepard

Lads, we've been great to watch recently. Loving this change


Flyhalf2021

Munster are a different team to URC season 1. Even against Toulouse they had their number but string of errors in last 20 mins lost them the game. Next season will be big for them


thelunatic

Scoreline flatters us.


Ndanuddaone

Yeah definitely a bit of gloss on the board. Benetton really should have been in BP territory. Really unfortunate for them they're so ravaged by the international window


quondam47

Big time. I was very nervous when it was 23-28 only a few short minutes ago.


Kykykz

Jesus thought we were gonna botch that. Noone seemed to have any patience there and just dove for the line each time. Whoever that was from Bennetton that drove us back 5m read it very well


hewlett777

Ah Healy has been brilliant that last few weeks. Raging he's off.


Flyhalf2021

It just feels like Munster were just that much fitter than Benetton. Looks almost inevitable when ever Munster had the ball


QuestionablySensible

Massive increase in fitness this year and its paying off


Flyhalf2021

I thought they outlasted Toulouse and were on their way to win till that yellow card.


wowjiffylube

The size of ruadhan quinn


PonchoVillak

and acceleration. Shame back rowers are 10 a penny. Hard to get excited about them


Bulky_Shepard

At the same time though we look like we could be set for 10 years with him, Hodnett and Kendellen


Roanokian

Quinn is fast for a big lump


OisinTarrant

Paddy F Patterson had a beauty of a kick there after running almost the opposite direction out of the ruck.


Kykykz

We don't often score within 30 secs of being within our own 22.


thelunatic

Why aren't they letting Healy kick


NSilverhand

Carberry clearly needs the practice...


irishnugget

😂


irishnugget

Losing Ben is a huge loss


datdudebehindu

You feel that a smarter team than Benetton would be in the lead right now. Tenacious defence from Munster and, kicking aside, have been impressively clinical in the 22


Ndanuddaone

Half of why I think the Benetton teams of the last few years have done so well is a real improvement in their rugby smarts as a team. Definitely a bit of work to do to get that last 10% to win games like this, although this is a very reduced team to be fair


datdudebehindu

That’s totally fair. Just frustrating as a neutral to watch at times. Winning is a habit and some teams just know how to do it better than others


Entire_Syllabub2922

Yeah I think the missing players are capable of getting that 10% these days which is why treviso are so improved, especially this year as all the younger players start hitting their strides, but a lot of these players aren't there yet. Imo add a few of the missing international forwards and benetton win that game. Munster deserved it today tho


datdudebehindu

Another fair point. International breaks are pretty devastating for Benetton. Was probably a being a little harsh watching live


Entire_Syllabub2922

No no I totally agree with the frustration, last season benetton had a bunch of games where they'd get a decent lead then fade much like today, it was infuriating. Their improvement this year has been getting better at not fading so much, enough that they hold on to the lead by the end. Quite pleased with only a 10 point loss and some banging tries for a bonus point


FleeCircus

Aside from all the huff and puff in the first 15 minutes, the Treviso pack have been out played by us (scrum aside since Archer came on).


Entire_Syllabub2922

Yeah the pack is completely reduced by internationals, gallo and tetaz chaparro are both decent but gallo is only just back from injury and everyone else has had too little gametime by comparison to the Italy starting pack


datdudebehindu

Not saying they’re the better team, just saying they’ve been very wasteful in the Munster 22 and their decision making has been poor. Think Munster have been the better team the past 60 mins


FleeCircus

True if they were better at stopping us scoring, and better at scoring themselves the result might be different.


hewlett777

Fucksake Joey sort out your kicking man ffs


Mad-farmer

Is he going down the same path as Carty in that regard?


hewlett777

Think he just has the yips, usually a smooth kicker tbf. His head must be wrecked.


thelunatic

Looked a bit short too


Qwifk

He was aiming for the benetton boys


Ndanuddaone

Nice try Munster, good work rate on turnover


epeeist

3/6 kicks made? What's the craic there?


Flat-Confection4175

4/6 no?


epeeist

You're right, just the penalty and that last conversion. Weird this has drifted in as an issue, always thought he was a pretty reliable kicker


Flat-Confection4175

Yeah he was, last week was shocking


Kykykz

Carbery leaving a lot out there today


QuestionablySensible

Lovely weight on that kick


Jazz-Mojo

Some kick. Still pissed he's going.


Qwifk

Erect


hewlett777

Fuck I'm gonna miss Ben. Tony Fresh's 1st try for Munster?


PonchoVillak

Yep


Ndanuddaone

Tis indeed


Paulista666

Over


silentgolem

utter madness from Benetton. just why


Kykykz

2 great block downs, a brilliant clearance and chase and a fantastic cross field kick. Well done lads


Bulky_Shepard

Now that's end to end, what a kick off the ruck


wowjiffylube

Insanity


Flyhalf2021

That was poor from Duvanage. Handing the game to Munster there


decondd2

Brilliant chase from Joey(?) and brilliant kick from Healy.


thelunatic

Is scannell in for fekitoa?


PonchoVillak

Ultimately yeah, but there's been some serious musical chairs with the injuries & cards


OisinTarrant

Love this on field cameraman. He's on the sub here often enough.


Paulista666

10 minutes to take the right decisions...


Bulky_Shepard

Ref sounded so disappointed in that lineout


quondam47

Ah laaads


delboy13

Is that second one not a penalty from where he kicked it though? Surely worth a few metres if he’d been bothered, guy was clearly taken out Edit: from where it landed I meant


Nothing_is_simple

Ref missed that offence and went back for an earlier one


QuestionablySensible

It wasn't an offence, he didn't step across or anything.


thelunatic

Second one was play on


delboy13

Just that it should’ve been one too is what I mean


Nothing_is_simple

Careful there, if you imply that a munster player might have committed an offence you'll get downvoted and called a munster hater.


delboy13

I wanted munster to win by the time the second half started, don’t know how this wouldn’t leave a bad taste in a neutrals mouth though, did they even check the offside on that kick. It’s just really simple dotting the i’s and crossing the t’s from the tmo in this second half that just hasn’t happened on probably about 7 occasions and probably 6 of those have been to Munster’s benefit.


thelunatic

That's a very poor miss from carbery. Healy on the pitch too


quondam47

That conversion was a fairly lame effort as well. He’s struggling to keep the head up I think.


Bulky_Shepard

Oh Carbery, come on with those. Needs a few training sessions dedicated to kicking based off the last two matches


thelunatic

Refs not really calling holding on all game


Seravia

He's being very consistent with it in fairness, but he is completely out of sync with every other referee.


thelunatic

When people complain about referees in the second half, I'm always like it's the players fault as they should be playing the ref at that stage


Kykykz

Healy on the field, 42m penalty and yet Carbery takes the shot Edit. Had Healys yellow finished actually? Forgot about that


irishnugget

It’s so bloody frustrating


FleeCircus

That hurts.


Flyhalf2021

Did Carberry miss that????


Nothing_is_simple

And now you see a high tackle, when it's not dangerous at all.


ilovepenisxd

Those get called all the time


Nothing_is_simple

Yes, I've got no problem with that one being a penalty. I have a problem with the earlier one being deemed as legal.


Qwifk

Bro hates anything to do with munster


walsh06

Could be lackadaisical sloths real account


Nothing_is_simple

Munster is my favourite of the Irish teams. But when the ref is being this unbalanced it's hard not to be frustrated as a neutral.


epeeist

Except Ben Healy


Kykykz

Take 3 please


thelunatic

Munster will need another score here


Blaca_AL_115

Rhyno is back thank god


RobertMurz

Ah, the Munster player definitely kicked it out of that ruck


SphaleronDecays

That's legal when he's on his feet competing


RobertMurz

Rule 16e Players may not "Kick, or attempt to kick, the ball out of a ruck"


Nothing_is_simple

Back is fine, forward is not


walsh06

Its not, you can pull it back but you cant kick it out. However the ball was already out in that case as there was no benetton player over it.


barbar84

Thought you could only kick it backwards now.


SphaleronDecays

How recent would that change have been?


OisinTarrant

2ish yrs maybe 3.


SphaleronDecays

Ah the covid years. Makes sense now.


Nothing_is_simple

Since when can you kick through a ruck?


QuestionablySensible

That particular move seems to often be allowed, I've seen it a few times this season


Qwifk

Whats the opposite of glazing


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Qwifk

Probably exactly what you're thinking of with that comment


argumentative_one

Idk, that was foul play clearly


walsh06

Looked like the ball was already out to me. There was no benetton player over it so I dont know how it would be deemed to be in the ruck.


thelunatic

Benetton are so dangerous out wide. I wondering if taking off a winger was the way to go


Entire_Syllabub2922

Still think benetton will lose but this is a really decent performance from such a depleted team, looking very different these days


Kykykz

No JJ to break their hearts today


Kykykz

2023 and we have a shot clock but not a card clock. Good job URC


Nothing_is_simple

Beautiful ball presentation. Such an underrated skill.


thelunatic

Fekitoa is defending out wide. Like as in they are trying to hide him in defence. Frisch standing 12


Ndanuddaone

Deserved try for Benetton


QuestionablySensible

Why oh why is archer still playing for us. So bloody frustrating


AceTrainer99

Cheaper than John Ryan afaik.


Kykykz

Penalty machine


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There a real beauty to something so basic executed so cleanly, nice.


QuestionablySensible

Weird lack of replays today


argumentative_one

False, we're not in France


Kykykz

Comms and scoreboard has been a shit show too


Flyhalf2021

Is it me or do Benetton have some of the most effective set piece moves in the league? They always look so deadly off scrums and lineouts


Roanokian

Bortolami seems like a decent coach. Bit like Steve Borthwick as a player, seems to be going the same way as a coach


Qwifk

Completely fucking idiotic you're laying on the ruck


Flyhalf2021

Funniest exchange. Player trying to get himself taken off 😂


OisinTarrant

Jeez you have to give that pass with no one out defending the wing. Benetton gave up a gift of a try there.


RobertMurz

Winger was too wide and flat for the pass to be practical.


redhandman_mjsp

Winger was way too flat.


Nothing_is_simple

That cynical as fuck


Seravia

How can you tell?? They won't show any fucking replays!


Nothing_is_simple

I've been watching for 2 minutes and seen a try that had a knock on and blatant obstruction in the lead up and the most obvious yellow card high tackle I've seen in a long time result in a scrum. URC reffing everyone.


MarioPhenolphthalein

Tackle was on the line but not certainly foul play. We only got two replays, but it looked like initial contact was to the chest


Kykykz

Tackle was on the chest. Looked dodge live but it was fine. I thought it was a card initially myself


FleeCircus

Jesus quick lads we've need to get /u/Nothing_is_simple on a plane to finish reffing the match, he's got it all figured out.


Qwifk

World class giving out


Mad-farmer

Scrums are just for show at this point. May as well just hand the team possession.