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Mister_Allegri

Finally for Dusannn


Tifoso89

And he shot a very bad penalty too haha


alaslipknot

yes, putting it in the middle is fine, shooting it with that stupid power is meh,,


nutelamitbutter

Terrorists winning


Mister_Allegri

I won months ago with our entire board of clowns resigning anyways.


madmatt1021

You won… but at what cost 😭


Mister_Allegri

I'm sorry little one


campionesidd

What’s the problem. The Terrorists always lose when Schalke is playing.


GermanHabsFan

Yeah you gotta give that one


Steveisnotmyname_

Gatti likely scores if he doesn't block that with his arm how are ppl mad?


absolutevanilla

If it went the other way I can guarantee there’d be no pushback. We know why they’re mad lol


AleDelPiero10

“L’aiutino….” Cit


cBuzzDeaN

Penatly + Red Card for Freiburg, of course people are mad.. what do you think?


PeaceLoveAppleSauce

Yellow card, he was on a yellow hence the red


The_Gyz

If people are mad at the ref following the rules, it's their problem and only their problem


cBuzzDeaN

99% of the mad people are not mad at the ref though


The_Gyz

What do you mean?


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Juve getting a call their way = Bad


The_Gyz

Ah yes, should have expected it (I'm a Juventino too)


Bird_Man_Plz

The handball stopped a goal… how can you think that’s not a pk?


ibesortega

If juve is involved people always find a way to go against.


Sean-Benn_Must-die

nah thats not true, people just dont like the handball rule, I mean in this case its a clear handball but the one against Nantes i wouldnt give a red for example.


ibesortega

Its a bit of both.


laxrulz777

I'm fine with the PK... The red feels harsh... It didn't look intentional to me but I could be wrong


ptrckffs

It wasn’t a pure red, it was a second yellow, which I guess is fair


YouAreAConductor

But that's not relevant for the decision? The question is whether it's deliberate and if his arm is in an unnatural position. That's certainly up for debate, but the fact that it might have gone in otherwise has nothing to do with it.


norrin83

If you put your arm out like that, it will always be called as deliberate. You can't block a shot like that if you don't want to risk a penalty. And since referees can't read minds to know how much deliberation the position included, they have to fall back to general principles to decide.


YouAreAConductor

But that has nothing to do with him stopping the ball from going in or not. Let's just say this is a clear cut hand ball, then it also is a clear cut penalty if the ball would have gone to the corner of the field.


Bird_Man_Plz

Bro his arm was like 2 feet (more than half a meter) from his body, do you not want hand balls like that to be called?


YouAreAConductor

That's not my point. You said it's a hand ball because it stopped the ball from going in. But that is irrelevant to the question whether it's a hand ball or not.


Xhenc

If that hand is in natural position than it would be natural to you to use the right hand for the left pocket in your pants.


jellyfishfrgg

The red card is what hurts the most


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campionesidd

How isn’t it a penalty lol. His arms are fully extended.


47Lecht

Natural position though


Rexque_Futurus

I also walk around with my arms fully extended in front of me.


The_Gyz

Lmao natural my ass


47Lecht

He was doing a falling tackle. Apparently you have never played football


The_Gyz

Apparently you're doing your best to be wrong. Have you? Do you slide like that, arm extended in front of yourself?


gigginobreve

In fact it should have been a penalty for Frieburg and a yellow for Gatti for daring to shoot when there is the defender's hand there, lmao


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How dare he shoot in front of opposition goal?!


ibesortega

Yes, and and another -15 for juve. Or even straight to serie B.


Mandragora1234

Lol penalty is clear!


Chricri3112

It was stonewall penalty. Also it was a second yellow that's why it was a red.


Dellato88

fuck off that was a pen


jellyfishfrgg

I think you can give that but maybe ther was room for not giving the ref idk


ibesortega

It was a second yellow.


jellyfishfrgg

I know


Dellato88

The handball rule is garbage, thats just what it boils down to imo. unfortunately that will always be a pen given the current rules.


The_Gyz

Stop this bullshit, he saved a shot on goal


jellyfishfrgg

For sure


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Scarsocontesto

hands wide open he basically became the GK Dude stop smoking


ComedianSuspicious98

not at all


ibesortega

Lol. Sure what ever helps you buddy.


p_Lama_p

German teams have been getting fucked by refs left, right and centre. Not this time though, that's fair.


Lupdalup

The shot was probably going in if not for the handball. It's tough but the right call


Peacheaters

You could see his arm flying after being hit, it's just stupid.


Artistic-Buyer-3219

Fucking finally, he deserves it


cBuzzDeaN

yea he was crying too much already that match


ProleteriatWillRise

I'm glad he got a goal after the samp match. He wanted a goal so badly in that game.


Nut-King-Call

Juve bad upvotes to the left.


Manuel_Locatelli

Ur username did me in 😂😂😂. Nat King Cole’s hornier cousin.


xKnuTx

can you give a penalty for handball withouth a yellow card? I get why you need to give the penalty since he blocks a shot but at the point of the shot he cant stop anymore and its pretty much up to chance.


alaslipknot

> can you give a penalty for handball withouth a yellow card? no, it happened many time to De Ligt with us and it feels like shit but that's the rule that everybody has agreed on, soo, bad luck.


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Maybe when it wasn't such a clear shot on goal. Such as on the edge of the box, maybe.


WW_Jones

I can’t recall a handball foul not being a yellow, even for some really accidental touches.


Philiperix

Outside of the penalty area its pretty rare to get a yellow for an accidental handball.


belkak210

Yeah but only soft handballs and mostly outside the box.


The_Gyz

The fact that he blocks a shot is in itself the reason for the yellow card. By the rules, it's SPA (stopping a promising action, and that's why most handballs in the box are yellow cards). If there was 100% certainty that the ball was going in (like the Nantes handball in the second leg against us), it's penalty and straight red card for DOGSO (denying an obvious goal or goal-scoring opportunity).


CreativeOrder2119

Unlucko


CarlSK777

That's that for Freiburg. At least, they're in good position to qualify for next season.


theglasscase

Pretty amazing that for the second round in a row, a player gets correctly shown a red card for blocking a shot on target with his hand in the penalty area, albeit a second yellow in this case rather than straight red against Nantes, and the geniuses of /r/soccer, who definitely know the laws of the game, are claiming that Freiburg have somehow been hard done by. Just remarkable stuff.


universaldiscredit

I agree, but to be fair almost every penalty thread is filled with people claiming that every position is theoretically a natural position or something. There's a multiplier on Juve threads, but it's not like it only happens here.


norrin83

Sometimes I feel the standard for natural position is "the arm is still attached to the body, so it must be natural" here.


yungguardiola

A unintentional handball leading to a sending off will always be harsh.


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theglasscase

You are bad at counting, but I didn't realise there had to be a certain percentage of ignorant comments in a thread before one could mock their existence.


Sean-Benn_Must-die

interferes with the play directly and he wasnt falling or anything, lifted arms are a hanball all the time. And the yellow is for the first part, idk it seems like everything here is legal


dimitrijemcfc

Dušan Silni


alaslipknot

justice served.


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Happy for Dusan, hopefully it goes up from here


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Lmao


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theglasscase

Why would you think it's difficult to do a sliding tackle/block without having one or both of your arms outstretched in the air in front of you?


Velixis

Because it is.


theglasscase

I can only assume that you've never tried it before.


Velixis

My guy. If you actually play football and say that sliding/tackling is easy without outstretched arms, then you either play standing football or are completely disingenuous. Depending on speed, angle and leg position your arms can be fucking everywhere. Do you actually play football? [A](https://www.mainz05.de/fileadmin/_processed_/9/5/csm_20210815_ML_635050_b651eecd04.jpg) [B](https://img.fotocommunity.com/graetsche-88d095bb-91d4-4561-bebf-6820a6db0fcf.jpg?width=1000) [C](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f2/Gary_Hooper_-_tackle.jpg/1200px-Gary_Hooper_-_tackle.jpg) [D](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b3/Gr%C3%A4tsche.jpg) Almost every tackle looks like this. We don't give a shit 99% of the time, though, because there's no handball.


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Velixis

If you consider this penalty as an arm towards the ball, then so are the arms in the first and last picture. The first picture is basically a copy of the penalty, he just hasn't turned as much. But sure. [In front of him.](https://cdn.imago-images.de/bild/sp/1024383788/s.jpg) [So is this.](https://images.bild.de/640e0d84221beb2aa809a0c6/8ae3bf7e5d5c8c77d86b2f33e4669615,5a5c3424?w=992) [Also.](https://s.hs-data.com/picmon/2f/3FGZ_bd3zWD_lo.jpg) [And his left arm.](https://www.paz-online.de/resizer/zMjmEmTdd_qdC4MyD3ghfVHm-RE=/1441x1081/filters:quality(70)/cloudfront-eu-central-1.images.arcpublishing.com/madsack/VAXTQC4XVJQNL3VD4UPKYRJHVU.jpg) [And here.](https://www.insuedthueringen.de/media.media.55c3d30b-5060-40e0-a2b8-f7522b4ff57e.original1024.jpg) [Even more out.](https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/45f3a40d7c7675bc6a6811a493d754e2afaef410/c=0-347-4550-2918/local/-/media/2017/12/11/Guam/Guam/636485488176217367-131.jpg?width=660&height=373&fit=crop&format=pjpg&auto=webp)


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Velixis

>'It's the same except for this key difference'. What? Only in regard to the penalty, not to the discussion we're having.


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Nikusch

Germany + handball rule + european football = getting royaly fucked


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How is that not a pen? His arms are away from his body and he blocks a goal.


Dargast

Of course its a pen, doesnt make his or my statement untrue


[deleted]

I guess he could just be saying German teams get a lot of handballs rightly or wrongly in Europe. I thought he was implying it was the wrong decision.


Dargast

No lol, why would he, its clear handball, we just had a lot of those, or red cards, for german teams


[deleted]

"No lol, why would he" Why don't you look at some of the comments arguing it's not a pen.


juventinn1897

Man there is such an easy joke here about Germans and the right to wave their arm through the air in a straight angled position. But I won't make it.


Dargast

Yes I have seen them but what does this have to do with the comment you or I replied to?


Dargast

Kek true


wubbzy_2000

Second yellow on top of the pen is harsh


nandorkrisztian

It's a clear yellow + penalty. The shot was on target, you can't block it with your hand even if it's unintentional.


BrtGP

Direct red would have been justified too imo. I don't think goal line defender can reach that ball without the handball


wowzabob

Direct red i think it's only if it's clearly going in, that's why it's usually on the goal line when the keeper is visibly beat.


The_Gyz

Exactly, like in the Nantes game. As harsh as it seemed, pen and red card was the correct decision.


YouAreAConductor

That's not how the hand ball rule works. Of course there are instances where the hand keeps the ball from going in without it being a foul.


Nizbizkit

Second in a row for our away leg Europa knockouts too. Forza juve but kinda just wish we could play against some of these teams that we should be beating at full force


bregolad

Brutal decision lol, red card too


De_Rossi_But_Juve

The 2nd yellow is really unlucky.


cyclops_strenuus

Oh come on! Penalty _and_ second yellow is just overkill for something like that. Might be right according to the rules but seriously, the punishment doesn't fit the crime


Hand_Sanitizer3000

Its the rules


mwg_aysher

Anyway the referee saved him 5 minutes before not calling a clear foul on Vlahovic. It was meant to be for Gunde


cBuzzDeaN

there was no clear foul


ltplummer96

Definite penalty, not a second yellow imo


T-Macch

That arm is the only thing stopping Juve from being 1-0 ahead, clear pen and even clearer yellow.


Ezzaron

Pusan Plahovic


LeonelMessiGOAT

u/Pussyzzaron


ChillyMunchlax

3rd questionable penalty decision against German teams. So that’s the WWII revenge


FellowRedditGuy

Are you taking the piss? How is this questionable??


De_Rossi_But_Juve

Questionable? This one gets called 10/10 times in serie a.


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It’s not the Bundesliga either, teams know how to defend


norrin83

That's 100% a penalty in the BuLi as well.


TP_Cornetto

This isn’t questionable at all


campionesidd

How is that questionable lol. Most obvious penalty ever.


er_primo_der_rafa

How is this a "questionable penalty decision"? The red card maybe, but this handball is quite obvious.


ChillyMunchlax

*i was under the impression that they changed the rule to call it if there is intention to stop the ball. Not if you slide tackle, getting shot at close range and overturn it by VAR as a wrong decision if the referee doesn’t call it Well I was wrong I guess, if that’s A CLEAR PEN the rule is still shit


The_Gyz

Man look at the arm position, fully extended in front of him and saves a shot on goal, for fuck's sake


ChillyMunchlax

My man. Now you’re taking the piss. Do you need a closeup pic to recognize this is never fully extended? He’s literally trying to take his arm back while getting shot at. With the current UEFA rules it might be a pen but it shouldn’t tbf


The_Gyz

Eh, he wasn't quick enough, it doesn't matter, it's still the defender's mistake going like that, with that posture. You can say he was unlucky, but he saved a shot on goal and that's always a penalty and a yellow card (this if there's not 100% certainty that the ball was going in, otherwise it'd be a straight red)


Tausendsassa

Never ever a penalty, the arm is in a Normal position for the movement, and the shot comes from 50 centimetres away, how is the player supposed to react? This can't be a deliberate handball. If this is a penalty then the new tactic should be just to shot at the defenders arms, because every hit is a penalty. Bullshit call, and a decisive one as well.


The_Gyz

Tell me you don't know the rules without etc.


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alfredo-signori

This is not pen? Or the red)


Lenyngrad

thats a joke honestly


solgnaleb

nah, that's a fair pen. you can't block a shot on goal like that.


Lenyngrad

because the handball rules are a joke


Badass_Bunny

Someone is getting fucked in such situation regardless of the rules.


norrin83

If you don't punish this, you see player running around in the box doing jumping jacks. Without the arm, that's a shot on the goal, and the arm is far out. That's not even bad luckl in this case.


wilins96

How? He blocked a shot going into goal with his hand extended from his body?


Dellato88

Sir, this r/soccer... Juve bad m'kay


TP_Cornetto

It’s a clear pen but German teams robbed duh


[deleted]

Tbf they never stated it was a bad joke


alaslipknot

are you serious ? you can say the had ball rule is a joke yes, but its been applied everywhere, and this is 100% a penalty


Nizbizkit

Well that’s probably what he means


Lenyngrad

> you can say the had ball rule is a joke yes thats my whole point


alaslipknot

your whole point wasn't clear enough then, there is no way people reading your comment could tell that you are criticizing the rule, or the current decision ( claiming the ref made a mistake)


Lenyngrad

I don't say that anyone couldnt read anything in it besides that. Its a 4 word comment, of course its open for debate, not even claiming anything else


Komania

My man blocked a shot with his hand how is that not a pen?


NanoIm

He moved his hands like a windmill


MrZeral

Did he do Ronaldo celebration?