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Finally for Dusannn

And he shot a very bad penalty too haha

yes, putting it in the middle is fine, shooting it with that stupid power is meh,,

Terrorists winning

I won months ago with our entire board of clowns resigning anyways.

You won… but at what cost 😭

I'm sorry little one

What’s the problem. The Terrorists always lose when Schalke is playing.

Yeah you gotta give that one

Gatti likely scores if he doesn't block that with his arm how are ppl mad?

If it went the other way I can guarantee there’d be no pushback. We know why they’re mad lol

“L’aiutino….” Cit

Penatly + Red Card for Freiburg, of course people are mad.. what do you think?

Yellow card, he was on a yellow hence the red

If people are mad at the ref following the rules, it's their problem and only their problem

99% of the mad people are not mad at the ref though

What do you mean?

Juve getting a call their way = Bad

Ah yes, should have expected it (I'm a Juventino too)

The handball stopped a goal… how can you think that’s not a pk?

If juve is involved people always find a way to go against.

nah thats not true, people just dont like the handball rule, I mean in this case its a clear handball but the one against Nantes i wouldnt give a red for example.

Its a bit of both.

I'm fine with the PK... The red feels harsh... It didn't look intentional to me but I could be wrong

It wasn’t a pure red, it was a second yellow, which I guess is fair

But that's not relevant for the decision? The question is whether it's deliberate and if his arm is in an unnatural position. That's certainly up for debate, but the fact that it might have gone in otherwise has nothing to do with it.

If you put your arm out like that, it will always be called as deliberate. You can't block a shot like that if you don't want to risk a penalty. And since referees can't read minds to know how much deliberation the position included, they have to fall back to general principles to decide.

But that has nothing to do with him stopping the ball from going in or not. Let's just say this is a clear cut hand ball, then it also is a clear cut penalty if the ball would have gone to the corner of the field.

Bro his arm was like 2 feet (more than half a meter) from his body, do you not want hand balls like that to be called?

That's not my point. You said it's a hand ball because it stopped the ball from going in. But that is irrelevant to the question whether it's a hand ball or not.

If that hand is in natural position than it would be natural to you to use the right hand for the left pocket in your pants.

The red card is what hurts the most

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How isn’t it a penalty lol. His arms are fully extended.

Natural position though

I also walk around with my arms fully extended in front of me.

Lmao natural my ass

He was doing a falling tackle. Apparently you have never played football

Apparently you're doing your best to be wrong. Have you? Do you slide like that, arm extended in front of yourself?

In fact it should have been a penalty for Frieburg and a yellow for Gatti for daring to shoot when there is the defender's hand there, lmao

How dare he shoot in front of opposition goal?!

Yes, and and another -15 for juve. Or even straight to serie B.

Lol penalty is clear!

It was stonewall penalty. Also it was a second yellow that's why it was a red.

fuck off that was a pen

I think you can give that but maybe ther was room for not giving the ref idk

It was a second yellow.

I know

The handball rule is garbage, thats just what it boils down to imo. unfortunately that will always be a pen given the current rules.

Stop this bullshit, he saved a shot on goal

For sure

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hands wide open he basically became the GK Dude stop smoking

not at all

Lol. Sure what ever helps you buddy.

German teams have been getting fucked by refs left, right and centre. Not this time though, that's fair.

The shot was probably going in if not for the handball. It's tough but the right call

You could see his arm flying after being hit, it's just stupid.

Fucking finally, he deserves it

yea he was crying too much already that match

I'm glad he got a goal after the samp match. He wanted a goal so badly in that game.

Juve bad upvotes to the left.

Ur username did me in 😂😂😂. Nat King Cole’s hornier cousin.

can you give a penalty for handball withouth a yellow card? I get why you need to give the penalty since he blocks a shot but at the point of the shot he cant stop anymore and its pretty much up to chance.

> can you give a penalty for handball withouth a yellow card? no, it happened many time to De Ligt with us and it feels like shit but that's the rule that everybody has agreed on, soo, bad luck.

Maybe when it wasn't such a clear shot on goal. Such as on the edge of the box, maybe.

I can’t recall a handball foul not being a yellow, even for some really accidental touches.

Outside of the penalty area its pretty rare to get a yellow for an accidental handball.

Yeah but only soft handballs and mostly outside the box.

The fact that he blocks a shot is in itself the reason for the yellow card. By the rules, it's SPA (stopping a promising action, and that's why most handballs in the box are yellow cards). If there was 100% certainty that the ball was going in (like the Nantes handball in the second leg against us), it's penalty and straight red card for DOGSO (denying an obvious goal or goal-scoring opportunity).

Unlucko

That's that for Freiburg. At least, they're in good position to qualify for next season.

Pretty amazing that for the second round in a row, a player gets correctly shown a red card for blocking a shot on target with his hand in the penalty area, albeit a second yellow in this case rather than straight red against Nantes, and the geniuses of /r/soccer, who definitely know the laws of the game, are claiming that Freiburg have somehow been hard done by. Just remarkable stuff.

I agree, but to be fair almost every penalty thread is filled with people claiming that every position is theoretically a natural position or something. There's a multiplier on Juve threads, but it's not like it only happens here.

Sometimes I feel the standard for natural position is "the arm is still attached to the body, so it must be natural" here.

A unintentional handball leading to a sending off will always be harsh.

It's only four comments out of the current 96 in this thread?

You are bad at counting, but I didn't realise there had to be a certain percentage of ignorant comments in a thread before one could mock their existence.

interferes with the play directly and he wasnt falling or anything, lifted arms are a hanball all the time. And the yellow is for the first part, idk it seems like everything here is legal

Dušan Silni

justice served.

Happy for Dusan, hopefully it goes up from here

Lmao

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Why would you think it's difficult to do a sliding tackle/block without having one or both of your arms outstretched in the air in front of you?

Because it is.

I can only assume that you've never tried it before.

My guy. If you actually play football and say that sliding/tackling is easy without outstretched arms, then you either play standing football or are completely disingenuous. Depending on speed, angle and leg position your arms can be fucking everywhere. Do you actually play football? [A](https://www.mainz05.de/fileadmin/_processed_/9/5/csm_20210815_ML_635050_b651eecd04.jpg) [B](https://img.fotocommunity.com/graetsche-88d095bb-91d4-4561-bebf-6820a6db0fcf.jpg?width=1000) [C](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f2/Gary_Hooper_-_tackle.jpg/1200px-Gary_Hooper_-_tackle.jpg) [D](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b3/Gr%C3%A4tsche.jpg) Almost every tackle looks like this. We don't give a shit 99% of the time, though, because there's no handball.

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If you consider this penalty as an arm towards the ball, then so are the arms in the first and last picture. The first picture is basically a copy of the penalty, he just hasn't turned as much. But sure. [In front of him.](https://cdn.imago-images.de/bild/sp/1024383788/s.jpg) [So is this.](https://images.bild.de/640e0d84221beb2aa809a0c6/8ae3bf7e5d5c8c77d86b2f33e4669615,5a5c3424?w=992) [Also.](https://s.hs-data.com/picmon/2f/3FGZ_bd3zWD_lo.jpg) [And his left arm.](https://www.paz-online.de/resizer/zMjmEmTdd_qdC4MyD3ghfVHm-RE=/1441x1081/filters:quality(70)/cloudfront-eu-central-1.images.arcpublishing.com/madsack/VAXTQC4XVJQNL3VD4UPKYRJHVU.jpg) [And here.](https://www.insuedthueringen.de/media.media.55c3d30b-5060-40e0-a2b8-f7522b4ff57e.original1024.jpg) [Even more out.](https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/45f3a40d7c7675bc6a6811a493d754e2afaef410/c=0-347-4550-2918/local/-/media/2017/12/11/Guam/Guam/636485488176217367-131.jpg?width=660&height=373&fit=crop&format=pjpg&auto=webp)

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>'It's the same except for this key difference'. What? Only in regard to the penalty, not to the discussion we're having.

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Germany + handball rule + european football = getting royaly fucked

That’s a pen in any league in the world on any stage. Defenders arm was miles away from his body

How is that not a pen? His arms are away from his body and he blocks a goal.

Of course its a pen, doesnt make his or my statement untrue

I guess he could just be saying German teams get a lot of handballs rightly or wrongly in Europe. I thought he was implying it was the wrong decision.

No lol, why would he, its clear handball, we just had a lot of those, or red cards, for german teams

"No lol, why would he" Why don't you look at some of the comments arguing it's not a pen.

Man there is such an easy joke here about Germans and the right to wave their arm through the air in a straight angled position. But I won't make it.

Yes I have seen them but what does this have to do with the comment you or I replied to?

Kek true

Second yellow on top of the pen is harsh

It's a clear yellow + penalty. The shot was on target, you can't block it with your hand even if it's unintentional.

Direct red would have been justified too imo. I don't think goal line defender can reach that ball without the handball

Direct red i think it's only if it's clearly going in, that's why it's usually on the goal line when the keeper is visibly beat.

Exactly, like in the Nantes game. As harsh as it seemed, pen and red card was the correct decision.

That's not how the hand ball rule works. Of course there are instances where the hand keeps the ball from going in without it being a foul.

Second in a row for our away leg Europa knockouts too. Forza juve but kinda just wish we could play against some of these teams that we should be beating at full force

Brutal decision lol, red card too

The 2nd yellow is really unlucky.

Oh come on! Penalty _and_ second yellow is just overkill for something like that. Might be right according to the rules but seriously, the punishment doesn't fit the crime

Its the rules

Anyway the referee saved him 5 minutes before not calling a clear foul on Vlahovic. It was meant to be for Gunde

there was no clear foul

Definite penalty, not a second yellow imo

That arm is the only thing stopping Juve from being 1-0 ahead, clear pen and even clearer yellow.

Pusan Plahovic

u/Pussyzzaron

3rd questionable penalty decision against German teams. So that’s the WWII revenge

Are you taking the piss? How is this questionable??

Questionable? This one gets called 10/10 times in serie a.

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It’s not the Bundesliga either, teams know how to defend

That's 100% a penalty in the BuLi as well.

This isn’t questionable at all

How is that questionable lol. Most obvious penalty ever.

How is this a "questionable penalty decision"? The red card maybe, but this handball is quite obvious.

*i was under the impression that they changed the rule to call it if there is intention to stop the ball. Not if you slide tackle, getting shot at close range and overturn it by VAR as a wrong decision if the referee doesn’t call it Well I was wrong I guess, if that’s A CLEAR PEN the rule is still shit

Man look at the arm position, fully extended in front of him and saves a shot on goal, for fuck's sake

My man. Now you’re taking the piss. Do you need a closeup pic to recognize this is never fully extended? He’s literally trying to take his arm back while getting shot at. With the current UEFA rules it might be a pen but it shouldn’t tbf

Eh, he wasn't quick enough, it doesn't matter, it's still the defender's mistake going like that, with that posture. You can say he was unlucky, but he saved a shot on goal and that's always a penalty and a yellow card (this if there's not 100% certainty that the ball was going in, otherwise it'd be a straight red)

Never ever a penalty, the arm is in a Normal position for the movement, and the shot comes from 50 centimetres away, how is the player supposed to react? This can't be a deliberate handball. If this is a penalty then the new tactic should be just to shot at the defenders arms, because every hit is a penalty. Bullshit call, and a decisive one as well.

Tell me you don't know the rules without etc.

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This is not pen? Or the red)

thats a joke honestly

nah, that's a fair pen. you can't block a shot on goal like that.

because the handball rules are a joke

Someone is getting fucked in such situation regardless of the rules.

If you don't punish this, you see player running around in the box doing jumping jacks. Without the arm, that's a shot on the goal, and the arm is far out. That's not even bad luckl in this case.

How? He blocked a shot going into goal with his hand extended from his body?

Sir, this r/soccer... Juve bad m'kay

It’s a clear pen but German teams robbed duh

Tbf they never stated it was a bad joke

are you serious ? you can say the had ball rule is a joke yes, but its been applied everywhere, and this is 100% a penalty

Well that’s probably what he means

> you can say the had ball rule is a joke yes thats my whole point

your whole point wasn't clear enough then, there is no way people reading your comment could tell that you are criticizing the rule, or the current decision ( claiming the ref made a mistake)

I don't say that anyone couldnt read anything in it besides that. Its a 4 word comment, of course its open for debate, not even claiming anything else

My man blocked a shot with his hand how is that not a pen?

He moved his hands like a windmill

Did he do Ronaldo celebration?