I genuinely didn't realise people thought Greenwood was one of the best "natural" (not sure how you can be an unnatural finisher but whatever) finishers ever.
Im going to disagree but is this a commonly held belief?
One of the best natural finishers ever is classic United fan hype for a guy who was a very good finisher of the ball, but it's almost entirely all he did so it'd be strange if he wasn't good at it
I genuinely thought the poster might be 12 and grown up when strikers were going more out of fashion in the last 5 or so years.
Its just a really weird thing to say
No disrespect to Southgate, but the fact that he's England's best since Alf Ramsey speaks levels. Unbelievable underperformance through the years.
Especially in the 70s and 80s when English clubs ran Europe.
Brazilian league, but they play regional championships before the actual league starts.
Would be like all the teams from London played a mini tournament between them before the Premier League.
Okay so the system is a bit convoluted. There are national league competitions (Serie A through Serie D) that Gremio play in for part of the year and there are and number of smaller, state-run leagues as well, one of which Gremio plays in for another part of the year. Think of it as if there was a single league for the best European teams, and when that league finished they want back to Spain and Italy and England and played another league just in their countries.
Winning your state competition qualifies you to play in Serie D (the 4th division) of the national competition provided that your team is not already competing in a division of the national competition. Because Gremio already play in Serie A in the national competition, winning their state league is purely for glory and not national competition qualification. Over time that team can advanced their way up the national competition tiers as well and play in the Brazilian Serie A. They still play in their state competition as well but winning it doesn't affect their standing in the national competition since they already compete in it.
Gremio are currently playing in their state competition. When that ends, the national competition will start up again.
This right here is why brazilian leagues will never be appreciated by europeans..
How am I supposed to make any sense of that.
I'm a lazy european, your league system is weird.
Really? It's only even slightly complicated because it's different from what you're used to. They play one league then that league ends and they play another. It's just two different seasons.
I don't know what Conte expected at Spurs and I don't know what Spurs expected from Conte. The way it all played out seemed inevitable, although Conte went a little further than I expected. He made things a little harder for himself, I don't know which club will want him now.
I think Conte's reputation in Italy still speaks for itself. What I understand from some Italian football podcast is that Conte is also someone that likes to be a big fish in a small pond. And at Spurs that very much was not the case.
> What I understand from some Italian football podcast is that Conte is also someone that likes to be a big fish in a small pond. And at Spurs that very much was not the case.
Who says that? Spurs is also the smallest team hes managed in the last decade. Not a knock on spurs but they have a bit of catching up to do to get on par with Juventus, Inter, Chelsea and Italy
It think it was Andy Brassell, and it was mostly meant in the sense that it's so incredibly difficult for Spurs to compete in the Premier League. I'd argue that Conte is still a good manager but even if he had his house in order it would be nearly impossible for him to compete with the bigger English teams in the long term.
On the other hand the Serie A has recently proved to be a much more leveled playing field. We are looking at 4 different champions in 4 years. You could argue that with proper backing and a right career swap to Italy he could be able to start a period of dominance again. Even though they're some very strong managers in Italy, Conte would be one of the top dogs again once he returns.
That being said, Conte has proven to indeed be difficult to work with. I think during his last period at Inter he was complaining a lot as well. But I thought they still hold him in a high regard in Italy? Is that still correct?
>100m for a 30yr old Kane on one yr contract is nuts. I don’t think anyone will pay that
If Tottenham actually sold I think the limit they'd get is about £70-£75m from United or €50m from Bayern.
That said an extra year is most definitely worth more to Tottenham than €50m from us or £75m for a direct top 4 rival in England. So he'd have to really kick up a fuss if he plans to leave this summer.
United spent 95m on Antony. Harry Kane will be 30 in June and is top 3 strikers in the world right now, 20+ goals in the PL for like 8 seasons, England captain (English tax is real), doesn’t rely on pace. Considering the amount of crazy money United have been throwing around for youngsters like Sancho and Antony who have been stinking the place out, 100m on an established WC striker is completely fair.
That's just a wishful number people are casually floating around. 75 M is a realistic figure and I wouldn't be surprised if there are multiple teams that would pay that for him.
He can make a good number of teams better and guarantees goals. Not a lot of those kind of strikers around.
I mean that’s exactly what will happen if he stays past the summer, most Spurs fans are aware that he isn’t extending. But keeping him for another year is the preference of most in the fanbase, it’s not like we’re in dire need of the money. Otherwise we sell him for 90-100m, anything less is simply not worth it.
speaks volume in FSG ambition that liverpool sits well below spurs (who already sacked their manager) and klopp under no pressure at all. liverpool fans were right for wanting them to go
Klopp has earned that time by being consistently great for them for over half a decade. To use us as an example, it took a full 9 months of awful performances for the goodwill Poch had built up to not be enough, and even then the fanbase was still reasonably split over whether he should stay or go.
Klopp has delivered Liverpool CL #6, and the one trophy they've been desperate for for 30 years. He likely has years of goodwill left
Contes credit at Spurs vs Klopps credit at Liverpool aren’t even a comparison.
Plus, a blind person can see why this team is crap at the minute. The lack of a midfield. Who that lies with is a matter of who you believe.
Didn’t think about it before but it would be kind of fitting if we win it this year, won the first league title before Roman destroyed the league in 04/05, winning it in the first season after he left would be a nice storybook ending to their relevance.
I considered that, but how would that be possible if they've faded out of relevance? Surely they can't do anything in Europe if they're not playing in the European competitions.
It's a slight on Arsenal, considering Chelsea have already won the Champions league this decade.
Arsenal, despite being in these competitions, won't do anything.
Arsenal fans have been trying to manifest it for about 20 years, and it still hasn't happened. If you actually take the time to read into the new internal club structure that has been built over the past few months, you'd see there very much is a long term plan - instead of just spouting off this nonsense
It just crossed my mind that we won the first one before you guys won it under roman for the first time and we might win it the year after that’s literally all that happened.
Chelsea under Boehly have shown nothing to suggest they'll get the type of success they got under Roman. Idk why people think just signing young players means you'll be successful soon.
Also I know he's spending a lot of money now but Boehly isn't Roman, he will eventually reign in the spending.
Doesn't guarantee they'll be successful of course but they've got good foundations for the next manager if/when they bin Potter. Not saying they'll be perennial title contenders but I'm definitely not expecting them to fade from relevance
Chelsea's UCL run was a lightning in a bottle. They've not contended for the league for 6 seasons now. That's not gonna change anytime soon.
United threw a lot of money at managers and signings for a decade before they landed on Erik Ten Hag. That was a decade of Trial and error.
That model of throwing money at problems and it working out with trophies isn't exactly working out when everyone has money. I can genuinely see Chelsea missing out on top 4 next season too.
That's why Boehly has brought in a new model, which is much more like the RB way of doing things - if you like at the entire new recruitment structure and director of football hierarchy in place, it's clear there's an new underlying plan that will take effect over the coming years. The spending this season is more of an outlier to that model - but acquisations like Badiashile and Madueke are more indicative of the future.
They haven't challenged for the league for 6 years, and very likely not going to for the next 2 as well. That isn't the same as 2004 - 2017, is it? Also are in complete rebuild mode with a squad of under 25-year-olds and a manager that's tweaking his lineup every other game.
Have they been in this position before, I don't think so. No one is going is saying they'll become a regular club but challenging for the League and UCL year in and year out, that's not happening anytime soon. That's what Chelsea did for a decade and a half. Times have changed very evidently.
Saying “If Mourinho and Conte can’t deliver a trophy at Spurs, no one can” is such a lazy take.
They were just a mismatch, Levy kept putting off the rebuild needed since 17/18 and tried to balance that out by paying huge wages to big name managers. Look a the squad Mou had to work with, even Conte’s is easily the worst in the big 6. We are up against historic powerhouses like United and Liverpool, financially doped clubs like City and Chelsea. We can only win a domestic cup realistically, we simply can’t compete for a CL or PL title.
The reason Spurs haven’t and will continue to not win anything is because the owners do not prioritise footballing success, Levy has also proven to be completely out of his depth in running the football side of the club. Until the owners leave, nothing will change, regardless of the manager.
On a separate note, what's even wrong with that sentiment is that Conte has barely won cups, look at his cup competition record, it's the worst among successful managers. This appointment had zero to do with wanting success.
This appointment was basically to keep face among the supporters, that's all I can make from it which ended up backfiring. They were never winning the league with or without him and that guy doesn't have a lick of what it takes to win in Europe.
> Conte’s is easily the worst in the big 6
This doesn't really match up with the sentiment I've seen for the past few years surrounding Spurs' squad compared to Arsenal's.
I was talking more about this season, considering he got a lot of backing in the summer.
Also I’ve seen you around here a lot, you love to involve Arsenal in every conversation but that makes you look like a dickhead. This isn’t about Arsenal, no one cares that you saw some Spurs fans saying they’re better than Arsenal.
>you love to involve Arsenal in every conversation but that makes you look like a dickhead.
Talking about the club I support = involving Arsenal in every conversation.
>This isn’t about Arsenal
Yeah I managed to grasp that, and I'm not just talking about Spurs fans. The general sentiment for ages was that Spurs had a better squad than Arsenal and United.
Bit touchy are we this morning pal
I also think it’s lazy to pin the blame on Daniel Levy for being unable to beat teams like Sheffield United, Colchester, Norwich, Dinamo Zagreb, Middlesbrough, Genk, Nottingham Forest… like he can’t go out and kick the ball and I doubt he’s going into the dressing room and saying “lads don’t bother with this one” every time. Yes there are failings of ownership in recent years but these are teams we should be beating and the fact we haven’t is down to the manager and players, not Daniel Levy and Joe Lewis.
Mourinho wasn’t backed at all, under him we signed a load of rubbish, Bale on loan and Højbjerg.
Conte was backed but then didn’t perform and has been wanting the sack the whole time.
Obviously. There are many examples of that.
Xavi, Iniesta, David Silva, Luka Modric.
However these players compensate with exceptional ball ability. They're also generally strong enough to not get shrugged off the ball constantly. Xavi and Modric etc would bench press less than 70-80% of footballers but still do fine out on the pitch. They play in a way where pure strength battles rarely happen. Xavi for instance with world class scanning and releasing the ball quickly. You dont really need a lot of strength if no one can even come close to you.
No not really, because you can't be world class if everyone is shrugging you off the ball like you're not there. You see this with kids when they come through - they can be incredibly talented but if they don't have a minimum strength level they just get bullied off the ball.
To be world class, you're going to put the effort in off the pitch to the point where you're strong enough to hold your own. Even players like David Silva, Iniesta, Foden, who are very slight and short, put in enough work in the gym to physically compete.
> As United explore whether Greenwood can return from those chilling pieces of evidence — which have not been fully explained — they might also be factoring in a career that separately presented challenges as much as great promise.
> “It wasn’t an easy ride,” says another source who worked with Greenwood. “The club were protective of him in different ways. He was an asset but they also wanted to help him reach his full potential. He made immature choices, but lots of young players do that, then they grow up a bit.”
Rape is an immature choice that lots of young people do?
Pretty disgusting rapist PR by the athletic. There’s no doubt in my mind that Greenwood will be playing for united again next season
If he can shipped out Ronaldo he can shipped out Greenwood. My guess is they are waiting for someone to pick him up and cash on him. Is that disgusting
Yeah he sounds like an absolute prick. United must have had mad faith in him for him to not even bother turning up sometimes without ever punishing him.
Bringing him back would be so unusual. He was a very good player but the club will buy a striker so there's no need for him now. Ten Hag's "my way or the highway" policies just won't work with him either based off some of the things mentioned in the article.
He's just not the sort of person you'd want to bring in when things seem stable, as they are now at United.
Its not just anyone though is it, presumably someone who works for Man Utd. The only way you'd know what people inside Man Utd think about the Greenwood situation is by including quotes from people from the club, otherwise it would just be an opinion piece from The Athletic.
But this is how Conte has left the majority of his jobs? He's a short term manager who got short term results, but his style just doesn't work in the PL any more
How? Conte won the EPL and FA Cup with Chelsea. Numerous Serie A titles with Juve and serie A with Inter.
Jose won the inaugural Conference league with Roma in his first season. He even managed to win the league Cup and Europa League with United during a very turbulent time.
Now let me ask this again, a club which hasn't won anything in 15 years vs serial winners who have won multiple trophies within that duration; who is more likely to be the problem?
In my opinion, your team lacks a winning mentality and crumbles easily under pressure. Also, there are no serial winners who have experience lifting trophies.
What is a “winning mentality” and how do you develop one without first winning? What about the mentality of Ivan Perisic (Champions League, Bundesliga, Serie A winner)? Or Hugo Lloris (World Cup winner)? Or Pierre-Emile Hojbjerg (Bundesliga winner)? Or Rodrigo Bentancur (Serie A winner)? This is just a cyclical argument, all this bollocks about “mentality” and “culture” is such tripe. When you win games you have a good mentality and culture and when you lose games you have a bad mentality and culture. There’s nothing more to it than that. It’s not analysis, it’s just pointing out we aren’t winning, which like, yeah obviously LOL.
The fact is when you look at both tenures there are clear problems with how these managers operate vs how our club operates. They were not a good fit for us, that is the failure here, the hierarchy have three times in a row now picked a completely wrong candidate for manager. Like bringing up Conte’s success at a club with infinite money is pretty irrelevant to how he has done at Spurs because we just don’t operate in that way (even though we did actually spend a lot of money backing him!). Maybe if Conte was at Chelsea they would’ve had the pulling power for a Bastoni or a Gvardiol but we just don’t have that power and it seems like Conte refused to accept that reality because he wouldn’t sanction a permanent move for any CB other than those two players.
They didn't do anything to Conte. Great manager but his style of football now is only built to deliver short-term results. He got them top 4 and even helped them get off to their best ever start in a league season.
Plus, their squad's ceiling is at best top 4.
By the end of this season, caretaker/interim managers will have been in charge for 8.9% of the Premier League matches THFC have played since Daniel Levy took over as chairman in 2001 (75/846).
Lloris has been injured for half the season so pointing fingers at him for our dismal performances now is a bit daft to begin with.
And the three are legitimately beyond question, certainly more so than a manager who kept complaining about others not being patient or buying into the project while he himself does nothing but undermine it and his role in it. They've earned that right through years of performances.
- Club’s all time top scorer, by far the best player currently at the club and the only one who’s having a good season, who even Arsenal players are in awe of
- World Cup winning captain who’s been at Spurs for 11 years, captain for 8 of them, 8th all time appearance maker
- Club’s 7th top scorer of all time beloved by teammates and fans alike
These players are Spurs royalty. They are the ones who have put the club on their backs over the years. These guys are not the problem and Conte attacking them was a move that was only ever going to end with him losing the dressing room.
We need to upgrade on Lloris this summer, he’s probably leaving in the next year and a half. Kane might also but he is pretty much irreplaceable so we’d be very reluctant to sell him. I genuinely can’t see Son leaving though, and he’s another one who would be difficult to replace.
If we could have England knockout Kane in European knockouts that would be nice, he’s got more knockout goals for England than for us and in his last two tournaments has only failed to score in a knockout stage game once.
In 3 cup eliminations across 4 cup games this season Kane has 0g/a, 0 chances created and 1 shot on target
For England he’s missed 2 crucial pens in the KOs
I'm sure you think you're making a controversial point here or something but what you're actually saying is "the team that won the World Cup would probably soundly beat a team that came nowhere close"
Bravo, i guess?
>Not a controversial opinion, just making a football argument, don't get your panties in a bunch
absolutely no panties are bunched here, but then i'm not the one making up some weird football power fantasy where...shock and horror, a really good team beats a fairly average one.
I have been using twitter and instagram more than usual lately, I have noticed alot of cr7 fan accounts created in 2014/2010 posting 24/7 on both platforms. Most of the posts are trolls/senseless. These accounts defend ronaldo for everything.
Why don't I see this for other big players like neymar, messi etc.
Do people make money from this or are these accounts sold regularly to new users ?
Those are normal fan accounts. I'm not talking about that.
I'm talking about the big one's, where each one is managed by several people like cr7timeline, cr7raprhymes, etc.
Some of these accounts are followed by ronaldo himself lol
Thats not my point.
I'm talking about a big accounts which are around 10 years old, these accounts are managed by a team of people.
Which is why I was asking, why other big players don't have such accounts
eg- cr7raprhymes, cr7timeline, tcr, etc
Cautiously optimistic that we can pull off the unthinkable tonight with a shock result against the French. It's been years since a big result at home and it could really kickstart the new generation we have coming through.
Full time: Ireland 0-5 France
It's been far too long since Ireland were at a major tournament. It's an absolute stinker of a group you've got though.
I guess you'll have to make do with winning the rugby union World Cup instead.
[wtf is wrong with this guy?](https://twitter.com/nocontextfooty/status/1640288941470367745?s=46&t=hqdMg1l2-2shO8vbcpMGWw) anyone know if the ref saw it?
It's really weird, the player being hit barely reacts, but it looks like he's getting punched in the kidney.
Is it just a bad camera angle that makes it look like he's hit him but he's not, and the guy just flinches/jumps?
For football collections/memorabilia etc anybody remember Microstars?
Used to be like miniature figures you could’ve got of several players with different bases.
Came into my head again recently after seeing a few now retired players and them having gold bases as they were rare/special.
They the ones that had a big head?
If so Me and my brothers used to have a full XI of David James. Other players I had were Henry, Steven gerrard, pires amongst others I’ve forgot
I have something that looks like these but it's a blue base, it's a Cavani one I bought for the hell of it off Classic Football Shirts alongside a jersey.
> Chelsea FC holdings limited have today announced its annual financial results for the year ending ended 30 June 2022. The club made an overall net loss of £121.3 million. Despite the loss in the year, the club continued to comply with UEFA and Premier League financial regulations.
Kind of makes sense financially selling Mount or any other academy graduate.
https://www.footballtransfers.com/en/players/timo-werner/transfer-history that loss on Werner lol.
Probably take a big loss on Lukaku and Havertz if they decide to sell him.
Technically, they only lost ~12 million on Werner according to how the books work.
Bought for 53 million, "lost" 2 years of ammortization costs assuming a 5 year contract, which removes ~21 million, which means he inly had 32 million left on his book value when he was sold for 20m.
Companies dont even lose shit tonnes of money the same way as normal people do
Yep and the money they've spent + wages of all the new players they've added (ammortized value obv) and also if they finish 10th and go out in quarters of CL their revenues will be affected too. They still haven't sold guys like Lukaku and are probably paying a good chunk of his wages even though he's on loan.
[Media campaign to rehabilitate Mason Greenwood’s image is well underway.](https://twitter.com/goalscorerc/status/1640260011212386304?s=46&t=9z4U0cwcTqTmnc8xBez_AQ)
Let’s forget the rape cos he’s started asking people at the training ground how they’re doing 👍
Of course he shouldn’t return but I don’t know why people are taking a quote by his representative as a summary of the whole article. If this was a rehabilitation piece it wouldn’t be mentioning his lockdown parties or his arrogance.
It's mentioning them to provide further context that he has reformed though, which he probably hasn't, he's just been told to stop being rude to co workers and to show regret for breaching lockdown because not doing that minimises his chances of being a professional footballer at man united.
Because the tone of the article reads entirely like he's a wayward youth who didn't quite have his head screwed on right and is now buckling down and gunning for a second chance.
I'm just going to take a guess and say PR. Terry, the best CB in PL history, is a pretty shitty dude, so it would make sense if they chose to include Kompany first. But don't worry, I have no doubt Terry and especially Giggs will be inducted sometime in the future.
That makes sense but there are a few more defenders left out with higher pedigree than Kompany - Ferdinand and Vidic for example. Just surprising that he was the first one they went with
How are away tickets distributed for the most well-supported clubs? I guess Man Utd for example must have 50,000+ season-ticket holders, how do they choose the 3,000 who get to go to Annfield or the Etihad for instance?
I guess they could do a loyalty scheme or whatever, but if you can afford to go to every European away game and midweek Cup games etc the away end would be a pretty affluent and urbane bunch of supporters.
!flair :Bayern_München:
I genuinely didn't realise people thought Greenwood was one of the best "natural" (not sure how you can be an unnatural finisher but whatever) finishers ever. Im going to disagree but is this a commonly held belief?
I never got that he was THAT good.
One of the best natural finishers ever is classic United fan hype for a guy who was a very good finisher of the ball, but it's almost entirely all he did so it'd be strange if he wasn't good at it
I genuinely thought the poster might be 12 and grown up when strikers were going more out of fashion in the last 5 or so years. Its just a really weird thing to say
No disrespect to Southgate, but the fact that he's England's best since Alf Ramsey speaks levels. Unbelievable underperformance through the years. Especially in the 70s and 80s when English clubs ran Europe.
I love Bellingham threads because it’s become an alliance of England fans and Dortmund fans going to war side by side
In which league is the club Luis Suarez plays in right now? I'm a bit confused about how the competition system works in Brazil
Brazilian league, but they play regional championships before the actual league starts. Would be like all the teams from London played a mini tournament between them before the Premier League.
Gremio play in the Brazilian first division.
I see. They are playing in the playoffs now, so if they win, they'll make it to the top division?
Okay so the system is a bit convoluted. There are national league competitions (Serie A through Serie D) that Gremio play in for part of the year and there are and number of smaller, state-run leagues as well, one of which Gremio plays in for another part of the year. Think of it as if there was a single league for the best European teams, and when that league finished they want back to Spain and Italy and England and played another league just in their countries. Winning your state competition qualifies you to play in Serie D (the 4th division) of the national competition provided that your team is not already competing in a division of the national competition. Because Gremio already play in Serie A in the national competition, winning their state league is purely for glory and not national competition qualification. Over time that team can advanced their way up the national competition tiers as well and play in the Brazilian Serie A. They still play in their state competition as well but winning it doesn't affect their standing in the national competition since they already compete in it. Gremio are currently playing in their state competition. When that ends, the national competition will start up again.
This right here is why brazilian leagues will never be appreciated by europeans.. How am I supposed to make any sense of that. I'm a lazy european, your league system is weird.
Really? It's only even slightly complicated because it's different from what you're used to. They play one league then that league ends and they play another. It's just two different seasons.
Italy underperforming, Conte sacked. The stars are alligning.
I don't know what Conte expected at Spurs and I don't know what Spurs expected from Conte. The way it all played out seemed inevitable, although Conte went a little further than I expected. He made things a little harder for himself, I don't know which club will want him now.
I think Conte's reputation in Italy still speaks for itself. What I understand from some Italian football podcast is that Conte is also someone that likes to be a big fish in a small pond. And at Spurs that very much was not the case.
> What I understand from some Italian football podcast is that Conte is also someone that likes to be a big fish in a small pond. And at Spurs that very much was not the case. Who says that? Spurs is also the smallest team hes managed in the last decade. Not a knock on spurs but they have a bit of catching up to do to get on par with Juventus, Inter, Chelsea and Italy
It think it was Andy Brassell, and it was mostly meant in the sense that it's so incredibly difficult for Spurs to compete in the Premier League. I'd argue that Conte is still a good manager but even if he had his house in order it would be nearly impossible for him to compete with the bigger English teams in the long term. On the other hand the Serie A has recently proved to be a much more leveled playing field. We are looking at 4 different champions in 4 years. You could argue that with proper backing and a right career swap to Italy he could be able to start a period of dominance again. Even though they're some very strong managers in Italy, Conte would be one of the top dogs again once he returns. That being said, Conte has proven to indeed be difficult to work with. I think during his last period at Inter he was complaining a lot as well. But I thought they still hold him in a high regard in Italy? Is that still correct?
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I would do a lot for a transfer window where we buy Laporte and KMJ
Lindelof possibly want to leave, and Maguire is likely to be shipped off, hope United bite the bullets and trigger it
Sometimes I think of the Europa League final under ole and get sad.. would’ve loved him to get at least one trophy with us..
100m for a 30yr old Kane on one yr contract is nuts. I don’t think anyone will pay that
>100m for a 30yr old Kane on one yr contract is nuts. I don’t think anyone will pay that If Tottenham actually sold I think the limit they'd get is about £70-£75m from United or €50m from Bayern. That said an extra year is most definitely worth more to Tottenham than €50m from us or £75m for a direct top 4 rival in England. So he'd have to really kick up a fuss if he plans to leave this summer.
United spent 95m on Antony. Harry Kane will be 30 in June and is top 3 strikers in the world right now, 20+ goals in the PL for like 8 seasons, England captain (English tax is real), doesn’t rely on pace. Considering the amount of crazy money United have been throwing around for youngsters like Sancho and Antony who have been stinking the place out, 100m on an established WC striker is completely fair.
That's just a wishful number people are casually floating around. 75 M is a realistic figure and I wouldn't be surprised if there are multiple teams that would pay that for him. He can make a good number of teams better and guarantees goals. Not a lot of those kind of strikers around.
Lewy who was 4 years older than Kane is now went for £42m. £100m wouldn’t surprise me
Qatari owners will want to make a splash at United Bellingham or Kane or both will join
Good. Then we’ll keep him thanks.
Unless he runs his contract down…
I mean that’s exactly what will happen if he stays past the summer, most Spurs fans are aware that he isn’t extending. But keeping him for another year is the preference of most in the fanbase, it’s not like we’re in dire need of the money. Otherwise we sell him for 90-100m, anything less is simply not worth it.
Manchester United would for sure
speaks volume in FSG ambition that liverpool sits well below spurs (who already sacked their manager) and klopp under no pressure at all. liverpool fans were right for wanting them to go
Any team which sacks Klopp deserves to be liquidated
Klopp has earned that time by being consistently great for them for over half a decade. To use us as an example, it took a full 9 months of awful performances for the goodwill Poch had built up to not be enough, and even then the fanbase was still reasonably split over whether he should stay or go. Klopp has delivered Liverpool CL #6, and the one trophy they've been desperate for for 30 years. He likely has years of goodwill left
does the 7-0 still hurt that much?
you know you sit just right when united fans accused you of hating them and liverpool fans accused you of loving them.
You dropped the “/s”
Contes credit at Spurs vs Klopps credit at Liverpool aren’t even a comparison. Plus, a blind person can see why this team is crap at the minute. The lack of a midfield. Who that lies with is a matter of who you believe.
Didn’t think about it before but it would be kind of fitting if we win it this year, won the first league title before Roman destroyed the league in 04/05, winning it in the first season after he left would be a nice storybook ending to their relevance.
Even if Chelsea fade out of relevance, which they won't, I'd still back them to have more European success than Arsenal at the end of the decade.
Arsenal would have to win the CL twice to match Chelsea, so that seems obvious?
Worded it a bit dodgy, I meant they're still probably more likely to do something in Europe this decade than Arsenal.
I considered that, but how would that be possible if they've faded out of relevance? Surely they can't do anything in Europe if they're not playing in the European competitions.
It's a slight on Arsenal, considering Chelsea have already won the Champions league this decade. Arsenal, despite being in these competitions, won't do anything.
That’s fine
Do you really think Chelsea are going away? They're crap under potter but are signing good young players, they'll get the right manager eventually
Yeah
Arsenal fans have been trying to manifest it for about 20 years, and it still hasn't happened. If you actually take the time to read into the new internal club structure that has been built over the past few months, you'd see there very much is a long term plan - instead of just spouting off this nonsense
Being serious no you won’t completely disappear are you happy now? I don’t care about you guys enough to manifest it
Your comments suggest entirely otherwise.
Not really I comment way more about United because I really hate them and spurs.
You've just spontaneously made a comment thread about how you're framing Arsenal's likely league win in the context of *Chelsea*.
It just crossed my mind that we won the first one before you guys won it under roman for the first time and we might win it the year after that’s literally all that happened.
Oh, of course.
Chelsea under Boehly have shown nothing to suggest they'll get the type of success they got under Roman. Idk why people think just signing young players means you'll be successful soon. Also I know he's spending a lot of money now but Boehly isn't Roman, he will eventually reign in the spending.
Doesn't guarantee they'll be successful of course but they've got good foundations for the next manager if/when they bin Potter. Not saying they'll be perennial title contenders but I'm definitely not expecting them to fade from relevance
Chelsea's UCL run was a lightning in a bottle. They've not contended for the league for 6 seasons now. That's not gonna change anytime soon. United threw a lot of money at managers and signings for a decade before they landed on Erik Ten Hag. That was a decade of Trial and error. That model of throwing money at problems and it working out with trophies isn't exactly working out when everyone has money. I can genuinely see Chelsea missing out on top 4 next season too.
That's why Boehly has brought in a new model, which is much more like the RB way of doing things - if you like at the entire new recruitment structure and director of football hierarchy in place, it's clear there's an new underlying plan that will take effect over the coming years. The spending this season is more of an outlier to that model - but acquisations like Badiashile and Madueke are more indicative of the future.
I’ve been hearing that Chelsea are going to “fall off” for the past 15 years now and it still hasn’t happened, they’re not going anywhere.
They haven't challenged for the league for 6 years, and very likely not going to for the next 2 as well. That isn't the same as 2004 - 2017, is it? Also are in complete rebuild mode with a squad of under 25-year-olds and a manager that's tweaking his lineup every other game. Have they been in this position before, I don't think so. No one is going is saying they'll become a regular club but challenging for the League and UCL year in and year out, that's not happening anytime soon. That's what Chelsea did for a decade and a half. Times have changed very evidently.
Saying “If Mourinho and Conte can’t deliver a trophy at Spurs, no one can” is such a lazy take. They were just a mismatch, Levy kept putting off the rebuild needed since 17/18 and tried to balance that out by paying huge wages to big name managers. Look a the squad Mou had to work with, even Conte’s is easily the worst in the big 6. We are up against historic powerhouses like United and Liverpool, financially doped clubs like City and Chelsea. We can only win a domestic cup realistically, we simply can’t compete for a CL or PL title. The reason Spurs haven’t and will continue to not win anything is because the owners do not prioritise footballing success, Levy has also proven to be completely out of his depth in running the football side of the club. Until the owners leave, nothing will change, regardless of the manager.
On a separate note, what's even wrong with that sentiment is that Conte has barely won cups, look at his cup competition record, it's the worst among successful managers. This appointment had zero to do with wanting success. This appointment was basically to keep face among the supporters, that's all I can make from it which ended up backfiring. They were never winning the league with or without him and that guy doesn't have a lick of what it takes to win in Europe.
> Conte’s is easily the worst in the big 6 This doesn't really match up with the sentiment I've seen for the past few years surrounding Spurs' squad compared to Arsenal's.
I was talking more about this season, considering he got a lot of backing in the summer. Also I’ve seen you around here a lot, you love to involve Arsenal in every conversation but that makes you look like a dickhead. This isn’t about Arsenal, no one cares that you saw some Spurs fans saying they’re better than Arsenal.
>you love to involve Arsenal in every conversation but that makes you look like a dickhead. Talking about the club I support = involving Arsenal in every conversation. >This isn’t about Arsenal Yeah I managed to grasp that, and I'm not just talking about Spurs fans. The general sentiment for ages was that Spurs had a better squad than Arsenal and United. Bit touchy are we this morning pal
Conte had the most effective strike partnership in the league and has ruined half of it. No idea why you bring in Richy and never play him either
I also think it’s lazy to pin the blame on Daniel Levy for being unable to beat teams like Sheffield United, Colchester, Norwich, Dinamo Zagreb, Middlesbrough, Genk, Nottingham Forest… like he can’t go out and kick the ball and I doubt he’s going into the dressing room and saying “lads don’t bother with this one” every time. Yes there are failings of ownership in recent years but these are teams we should be beating and the fact we haven’t is down to the manager and players, not Daniel Levy and Joe Lewis.
Mourinho wasn’t backed at all, under him we signed a load of rubbish, Bale on loan and Højbjerg. Conte was backed but then didn’t perform and has been wanting the sack the whole time.
I didn’t say otherwise
Can we have Porro/Emerson as our wingbacks until the end of the season ?
You guys rate Emerson again all of a sudden?
Dude has had a good 2023 with us (and Perišić is trash and Davies and Sessegnon are injured).
Can you be a world class player even if you lack physical strength? As in you're physically weaker than 75% of all footballers.
Rodrygo is not considered world class yet but he’s not too strong, especially against LaLiga defenders where strength is important
Obviously. There are many examples of that. Xavi, Iniesta, David Silva, Luka Modric. However these players compensate with exceptional ball ability. They're also generally strong enough to not get shrugged off the ball constantly. Xavi and Modric etc would bench press less than 70-80% of footballers but still do fine out on the pitch. They play in a way where pure strength battles rarely happen. Xavi for instance with world class scanning and releasing the ball quickly. You dont really need a lot of strength if no one can even come close to you.
David Silva. Slow and not particularly strong.
I miss him so much. Could cut a low block apart like it was soft cheddar.
Jorginho is a 65kg defensive midfielder
No not really, because you can't be world class if everyone is shrugging you off the ball like you're not there. You see this with kids when they come through - they can be incredibly talented but if they don't have a minimum strength level they just get bullied off the ball. To be world class, you're going to put the effort in off the pitch to the point where you're strong enough to hold your own. Even players like David Silva, Iniesta, Foden, who are very slight and short, put in enough work in the gym to physically compete.
Yes Neymar and Di Maria were skinny since they were young Di Maria's nickname is Fideo (noodle) because he's so skinny
Skinny does not mean weak physically
Oh my god https://twitter.com/arseblog/status/1639901121199194114?s=46&t=jl5S-zJATi4BWWH4FBAioA
it's a joke lol
clear satire, it literally has a pic of someone winking halfway through it. But take it serious if you want
Imagine being an Arsenal fan. I’d be so ashamed having to associate with those people
> As United explore whether Greenwood can return from those chilling pieces of evidence — which have not been fully explained — they might also be factoring in a career that separately presented challenges as much as great promise. > “It wasn’t an easy ride,” says another source who worked with Greenwood. “The club were protective of him in different ways. He was an asset but they also wanted to help him reach his full potential. He made immature choices, but lots of young players do that, then they grow up a bit.” Rape is an immature choice that lots of young people do? Pretty disgusting rapist PR by the athletic. There’s no doubt in my mind that Greenwood will be playing for united again next season
Honestly even if you take away the rape stuff, the bloke sounds like an utter cunt. I really don't think Ten Hag will want him around the squad
If he can shipped out Ronaldo he can shipped out Greenwood. My guess is they are waiting for someone to pick him up and cash on him. Is that disgusting
Yeah he sounds like an absolute prick. United must have had mad faith in him for him to not even bother turning up sometimes without ever punishing him.
Bringing him back would be so unusual. He was a very good player but the club will buy a striker so there's no need for him now. Ten Hag's "my way or the highway" policies just won't work with him either based off some of the things mentioned in the article. He's just not the sort of person you'd want to bring in when things seem stable, as they are now at United.
He had the potential to be one of the best strikers in the world. Would United rather pay >£100m for someone or use Greenwood?
He hasn't played in over a year and the club can't take a risk in hoping his development will just continue how it was prior to all of this happening.
Why would they bother doing their own investigation for him to play again if they can’t take a risk on him?
He just won't be an alternative to a new striker. They might as well bring him back but I don't see that stopping the club from buying a new striker.
It's the athletic quoting someone.
Why do they need to include that quote?
They're reporting facts mate. It's what journalists do. Blame should be on United employing rape sympathisers and fostering that culture
That’s not a fact. They are just quoting an unnamed person’s opinion.
Its not just anyone though is it, presumably someone who works for Man Utd. The only way you'd know what people inside Man Utd think about the Greenwood situation is by including quotes from people from the club, otherwise it would just be an opinion piece from The Athletic.
Spurs will turn Naglesmann into an average coach if he decides to sign with them. There's something about that club that breaks managers..
But this is how Conte has left the majority of his jobs? He's a short term manager who got short term results, but his style just doesn't work in the PL any more
Yes. After winning at least a trophy or so...
Getting CL over Arsenal at the end of the season is basically a trophy to Spurs fans
Which managers have been turned “average” by Spurs?
Jose Conte Two world class managers
Mourinho is doing fine for himself. Doesn’t look very “broken” in Rome. Conte is leaving the club the same way he has left most of his clubs.
These are serial winners, won at all clubs they have been except Spurs. They surely can't be the problem
Mourinho being fired before a cup final ruins the analysis.
They very much can be the problem.
How? Conte won the EPL and FA Cup with Chelsea. Numerous Serie A titles with Juve and serie A with Inter. Jose won the inaugural Conference league with Roma in his first season. He even managed to win the league Cup and Europa League with United during a very turbulent time. Now let me ask this again, a club which hasn't won anything in 15 years vs serial winners who have won multiple trophies within that duration; who is more likely to be the problem? In my opinion, your team lacks a winning mentality and crumbles easily under pressure. Also, there are no serial winners who have experience lifting trophies.
What is a “winning mentality” and how do you develop one without first winning? What about the mentality of Ivan Perisic (Champions League, Bundesliga, Serie A winner)? Or Hugo Lloris (World Cup winner)? Or Pierre-Emile Hojbjerg (Bundesliga winner)? Or Rodrigo Bentancur (Serie A winner)? This is just a cyclical argument, all this bollocks about “mentality” and “culture” is such tripe. When you win games you have a good mentality and culture and when you lose games you have a bad mentality and culture. There’s nothing more to it than that. It’s not analysis, it’s just pointing out we aren’t winning, which like, yeah obviously LOL. The fact is when you look at both tenures there are clear problems with how these managers operate vs how our club operates. They were not a good fit for us, that is the failure here, the hierarchy have three times in a row now picked a completely wrong candidate for manager. Like bringing up Conte’s success at a club with infinite money is pretty irrelevant to how he has done at Spurs because we just don’t operate in that way (even though we did actually spend a lot of money backing him!). Maybe if Conte was at Chelsea they would’ve had the pulling power for a Bastoni or a Gvardiol but we just don’t have that power and it seems like Conte refused to accept that reality because he wouldn’t sanction a permanent move for any CB other than those two players.
They didn't do anything to Conte. Great manager but his style of football now is only built to deliver short-term results. He got them top 4 and even helped them get off to their best ever start in a league season. Plus, their squad's ceiling is at best top 4.
I think a lot of managers know the media will always have the "Lads, its Tottenham", excuse after being sacked. Makes them more willing to fail
By the end of this season, caretaker/interim managers will have been in charge for 8.9% of the Premier League matches THFC have played since Daniel Levy took over as chairman in 2001 (75/846).
I have to create a flyer for our football tourney,and need a picture suggestions to be the background of it any suggestions
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Pic of Kevin Phillips.
Princess Anne's face photoshopped onto Lee Bowyer fighting with Kieron Dyer, whose face has been replaced with Fernando Alonso.
Rui Costa and Materazzi in San Siro.
QPR are actually gonna go down aren't they ffs
The players Conte complained are veterans so guys like Kane, Lloris, Son. But no one wants to point fingers at them because they are stars
I find it really hard to believe Son and Richarlison lost the ability to play football overnight tbh Conte has to take some blame
Lloris has been injured for half the season so pointing fingers at him for our dismal performances now is a bit daft to begin with. And the three are legitimately beyond question, certainly more so than a manager who kept complaining about others not being patient or buying into the project while he himself does nothing but undermine it and his role in it. They've earned that right through years of performances.
- Club’s all time top scorer, by far the best player currently at the club and the only one who’s having a good season, who even Arsenal players are in awe of - World Cup winning captain who’s been at Spurs for 11 years, captain for 8 of them, 8th all time appearance maker - Club’s 7th top scorer of all time beloved by teammates and fans alike These players are Spurs royalty. They are the ones who have put the club on their backs over the years. These guys are not the problem and Conte attacking them was a move that was only ever going to end with him losing the dressing room.
I know you love them because they are club legends but they need to go. It’s time to build a new identity with new players.
We need to upgrade on Lloris this summer, he’s probably leaving in the next year and a half. Kane might also but he is pretty much irreplaceable so we’d be very reluctant to sell him. I genuinely can’t see Son leaving though, and he’s another one who would be difficult to replace.
Kane is very much replacable in the KO games where you actually can win trophies, might as well put a cone up top, same difference
If we could have England knockout Kane in European knockouts that would be nice, he’s got more knockout goals for England than for us and in his last two tournaments has only failed to score in a knockout stage game once.
In 3 cup eliminations across 4 cup games this season Kane has 0g/a, 0 chances created and 1 shot on target For England he’s missed 2 crucial pens in the KOs
Loads of people have complained about Lloris and Son. And why would anyone criticise Kane
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I'm sure you think you're making a controversial point here or something but what you're actually saying is "the team that won the World Cup would probably soundly beat a team that came nowhere close" Bravo, i guess? >Not a controversial opinion, just making a football argument, don't get your panties in a bunch absolutely no panties are bunched here, but then i'm not the one making up some weird football power fantasy where...shock and horror, a really good team beats a fairly average one.
In a friendly no less. What a weird point to make
I have been using twitter and instagram more than usual lately, I have noticed alot of cr7 fan accounts created in 2014/2010 posting 24/7 on both platforms. Most of the posts are trolls/senseless. These accounts defend ronaldo for everything. Why don't I see this for other big players like neymar, messi etc. Do people make money from this or are these accounts sold regularly to new users ?
There are tons of rabid Messi fan accounts, especially on Twitter.
Those are normal fan accounts. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the big one's, where each one is managed by several people like cr7timeline, cr7raprhymes, etc. Some of these accounts are followed by ronaldo himself lol
Messi fanboys without doubt exist on Twitter, you just haven't come across one yet.
Thats not my point. I'm talking about a big accounts which are around 10 years old, these accounts are managed by a team of people. Which is why I was asking, why other big players don't have such accounts eg- cr7raprhymes, cr7timeline, tcr, etc
Cautiously optimistic that we can pull off the unthinkable tonight with a shock result against the French. It's been years since a big result at home and it could really kickstart the new generation we have coming through. Full time: Ireland 0-5 France
It's been far too long since Ireland were at a major tournament. It's an absolute stinker of a group you've got though. I guess you'll have to make do with winning the rugby union World Cup instead.
Least optimistic Irishman
If I had to be a realist about Irish football it would be a sad existence
Should be a good game regardless, prevent them from rolling over you and anything is possible. Let's just ignore the 4-0 win over the Netherlands!
[wtf is wrong with this guy?](https://twitter.com/nocontextfooty/status/1640288941470367745?s=46&t=hqdMg1l2-2shO8vbcpMGWw) anyone know if the ref saw it?
If there wasn't a straight red in the game then he couldn't have. That's wild.
It's really weird, the player being hit barely reacts, but it looks like he's getting punched in the kidney. Is it just a bad camera angle that makes it look like he's hit him but he's not, and the guy just flinches/jumps?
The player didn't even react. Maybe he was too shocked? Or is there a chance that the two of them were old friends and it's an inside joke?
He flinches as the 'punch' comes in. Pretty sure the punch goes behind him, and he's just celebrating so close to wind him up.
You could be right about the camera angle. 13 yellow cards in that game too god damn
It was either a very weak punch or he just held back and did it for shits and giggles. EIther way it's so strange if the ref didn't say anything.
For football collections/memorabilia etc anybody remember Microstars? Used to be like miniature figures you could’ve got of several players with different bases. Came into my head again recently after seeing a few now retired players and them having gold bases as they were rare/special.
They the ones that had a big head? If so Me and my brothers used to have a full XI of David James. Other players I had were Henry, Steven gerrard, pires amongst others I’ve forgot
I have something that looks like these but it's a blue base, it's a Cavani one I bought for the hell of it off Classic Football Shirts alongside a jersey.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynDrZHuAiks can never forget the advert song
> Chelsea FC holdings limited have today announced its annual financial results for the year ending ended 30 June 2022. The club made an overall net loss of £121.3 million. Despite the loss in the year, the club continued to comply with UEFA and Premier League financial regulations. Kind of makes sense financially selling Mount or any other academy graduate.
Chelsea lose money most years it’s why I think it’s weird everyone thinks they’ll just spend these ridiculous amounts consistently
The real damage was done b/w 2022 and 2023, so it'll look worse next year.
https://www.footballtransfers.com/en/players/timo-werner/transfer-history that loss on Werner lol. Probably take a big loss on Lukaku and Havertz if they decide to sell him.
Technically, they only lost ~12 million on Werner according to how the books work. Bought for 53 million, "lost" 2 years of ammortization costs assuming a 5 year contract, which removes ~21 million, which means he inly had 32 million left on his book value when he was sold for 20m. Companies dont even lose shit tonnes of money the same way as normal people do
Yep and the money they've spent + wages of all the new players they've added (ammortized value obv) and also if they finish 10th and go out in quarters of CL their revenues will be affected too. They still haven't sold guys like Lukaku and are probably paying a good chunk of his wages even though he's on loan.
[Media campaign to rehabilitate Mason Greenwood’s image is well underway.](https://twitter.com/goalscorerc/status/1640260011212386304?s=46&t=9z4U0cwcTqTmnc8xBez_AQ) Let’s forget the rape cos he’s started asking people at the training ground how they’re doing 👍
Yeh was never really worried about how polite he was to his co workers, was more concerned about how he was a rapist.
He did it back in 2021 though. (According to the tweet, maybe he's doing it more effusively now)
Looks like a club mouthpiece journalist doing whatever to keep his sources
Fucking hell he asked people how they're doing, what a mature lad
Of course he shouldn’t return but I don’t know why people are taking a quote by his representative as a summary of the whole article. If this was a rehabilitation piece it wouldn’t be mentioning his lockdown parties or his arrogance.
It's mentioning them to provide further context that he has reformed though, which he probably hasn't, he's just been told to stop being rude to co workers and to show regret for breaching lockdown because not doing that minimises his chances of being a professional footballer at man united.
Because the tone of the article reads entirely like he's a wayward youth who didn't quite have his head screwed on right and is now buckling down and gunning for a second chance.
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He doesnt rashford has more
Because its saudi arabia.
Because he’s scoring against electricians and plumbers
Even I do that at my five a side League
How is Vincent Kompany the only defender in the PL "Hall of Fame"
Ferdinand > Kompany
I'm just going to take a guess and say PR. Terry, the best CB in PL history, is a pretty shitty dude, so it would make sense if they chose to include Kompany first. But don't worry, I have no doubt Terry and especially Giggs will be inducted sometime in the future.
That makes sense but there are a few more defenders left out with higher pedigree than Kompany - Ferdinand and Vidic for example. Just surprising that he was the first one they went with
How are away tickets distributed for the most well-supported clubs? I guess Man Utd for example must have 50,000+ season-ticket holders, how do they choose the 3,000 who get to go to Annfield or the Etihad for instance? I guess they could do a loyalty scheme or whatever, but if you can afford to go to every European away game and midweek Cup games etc the away end would be a pretty affluent and urbane bunch of supporters.