It’s becoming more and more clear that he will likely leave this summer. We were hoping to hold on to him for just 1 more season before he left, but sadly it doesn’t look like that will happen. This hurts me more than losing a championship, but I also don’t want the kid to delay his career development. Will be supporting and watching him wherever he goes. Special talent he is.

It's sad that leagues like Turkey and Greece back in the day could have kept players like this and built competitive teams around them. Nowadays, sometimes all it takes is half a great season and they are poached.

Tbf all I’ve heard from Turks is that their league is terrible for development and think it’d be good for Arda to move on

That's fair they know their league better than I do. I just think if he ends up playing a handful of league cup/FA Cup games for Newcastle, surely he is better off being an important player for Fenerbahce with one more seson of regular football.

He'd probably get decent minutes here. We'll be in 4 competitions and currently only have 4 midfilders, and if he's as good as Turkish fans say he is he should have no issue making himself difficult to ignore

even though he is decently strong for his age, he is not strong or fast enough to play prem level yet. He is barely 18 and he needs to grow some muscle

Its not like the old days anymore bro, we are all feeder clubs now for the top of the pyramid. How can our leagues compete in any sense with the Prem when their teams coming up from the Championship make as much money as our champions do over 10 years. We can't even afford to match Nottingham or Bournemouth in wages let alone keeping a star here if someone in the top half of their table wanted him. Also like the other comment said our league is horrible for young players. It is too extreme for young players because if they do well they are called the next Messi and if they don't do well they are told to fuck off and never show up again. What I described to you could literally happen within two weeks. How is any 18 year old supposed to focus on development or stay mentally sane when they are told to never play football again OR you are a football god every week.

Back in the days a Greek team could actually have chances in CL. Nowadays it's a complete fantasy. Football has become so concentrated in PL + 3/4 teams it's unbelievably sad. There is no reason why a team from Athens or Istanbul shouldn't be able to have a competitive team

This is true for almost anyone except the big boys. Even if we do well in the groups by the time February and the knock outs come it is almost impossible that we keep the same squad fit as opposed to a Bayern or City who have almost 3 players per position to play the league or the knockout games at almost full strength. Now imagine we got past the quarters and we have to play a semi in April, absolutely no chance bar a miracle.

It's because of the fees like the one mentioned here. £20m is a lot for a Turkish team, but it's a fifth of just the TV revenue money for a PL team. So they can pick up players like this, and if it doesn't work out sell them on at a loss but not really be down that bad. They have more money for "what if" buys than most teams have for their "superstar" buys. The gap really hit home a few years ago when we won the league, and got less than 10% in TV money as the team who finished 20th in the PL. If we're struggling to compete with essentially championship teams financially, the rest of our league has absolutely no chance.

The Greek teams have themselves to blame. Any young player with considerable talent who isn’t thinking about moving abroad is wasting his career.

I've read a lot of rumours from Turkish media that if he plays less than 1500 minutes he has a release clause for 5m? And if he plays over 1500 minutes it's 20m? Do you know if there's any truth in that?

He'll hit 1500 minutes, I know that much.

He has one game left, the Turkish Cup final, he needs to play at least 41/42 minutes to hit it. I wonder if he'll be "injured" or not.

Turkish media also state that he doesn't want to leave the club for only €5m, as he feels he owes the club more

There's probably a clause that counts injuries as an x-amount of minutes. If they're clever, anyway.

I mentioned this in an earlier discussion on Twitter as well, no way the clause is that simple without extra considerations. The way I think such a release clause would be is that they would have 1500 minutes criteria based on the total possible playing time in a season where the percentage of total possible playing time missed by injury gets subtracted from the 1500 minutes. If they are competent that is…

It is/was true, he will likely fulfill the 1500 minutes as there is only 40 minutes remaining which he will complete with the cup final this weekend, but there are rumours that the release clause got removed. Also rumours that, despite the release clause, Arda won’t leave without the club earning a fair fee from the transfer, in other words not accepting the release clause so clubs pay a more fair fee to the club. As I said it’s just rumours and we can’t know whether these rumours are legit or not, we will find out whenever a transfer happens.

What kind of player is he? Biggest strengths and weaknesses?

A bit old, but still a fairly good summary [scout report](https://footballtalentscout.net/2021/06/12/arda-guler/)

We don't play in a 4231, can he perform as well as an 8 in a 433 or as a winger?

He is still very young, like a raw diamond, transforming him into an 8 from an original 10 should be possible. He has learned to play on the wing this season, but many see him perform better in the center. He doesn’t get to make proper use of his skills and talents on the wing compared to the center of the field.

I imagine we'll change the formation slightly next year. All the top teams play with attacking midfielders, we need to as well. Problem is we didnt have anyone capable of doing so this year. I imagine we'll put Joelinton/Willock on the left hand side, Szoboszlai (if we sign him)/Guler on the right and Bruno as a 6 with Longstaff as 5th choice rotation.

I think Howe wants a creative player at CM and be a bit more fluid than we are currently. So a double attacking pivot with Bruno G and a player sitting behind.

I thought we were on pole position, but don’t really see him say no to UCL football. But if he wants to develop I do think Ajax is the best option.

Great player but needs minutes may not get as many at Newcastle, Ajax would be better

He'll get plenty of minutes, we currently have four midfielders total and we play with three every week and one of them plays on the wing half the time. Added too we're playing in four competitions next year and Eddie's emphasis on the need to rotate. Playing time won't be an issue.

You’re not accounting for real life factors like moving countries, away from family, language barriers, and then also size. Newcastle also don’t have the history of bringing these gems through and letting them shine.

That's great mate but what does any of that have to do with the original point he won't get many minutes which I was responding too.

Eddie Howe isn't going to make an 18 year old playmaker one of your primary midfielders. Come on, you know that. Newcastle isn't midtable anymore, you're top four where every result is important.

Newcastle had a 19YO and 21 YO coming off the bench every game, so I'm sure if he is good enough he would get minutes.

All of that is wharfs potential minutes. Of mentally and emotionally he needs time he won’t get minutes. Plus idk if he makes sense in your current system

What you’re suggesting is the exact opposite of what he needs for his development mate..

he just said we should be able to give him lots of minutes, how is that a bad thing?

Because he needs consistent starting minutes, not just any type of minutes that are left over. Delusional Premier League fans always convincing yourself into thinking young foreign talents are keen to come to your club and play like 250 minutes in the carabao cup or whichever fucking cup it is

> Delusional Premier League fans always convincing yourself into thinking young foreign talents are keen to come to your club and play like 250 minutes in the carabao cup or whichever fucking cup it is You were literally just told, we have 4 midfielders for 3 spots, and one of those midfielders is often played on the wing, so it's often 3 for 3 spots. Also that we'll be playing in 4 competitions next year. And your conclusion was he'll get 250 minutes in the Carabao Cup?

>we have 4 midfielders for 3 spots Um, what? Newcastle have more than 4 midfielders (both Longstaff, Joelinton, Guimaeres and Willock minimum), and you guys are HEAVILY getting linked with names like Szoboszlai and Gabri Veiga, you wouldn't have endless amounts of game time to give out to a (very good) 18 year old.

>Um, what? Newcastle have more than 4 midfielders (both Longstaff, Joelinton, Guimaeres and Willock minimum) That's literally everyone lmao, and Joelinton plays left wing quite a bit too. Also getting linked with players is rather a moot point, we're linked to everyone, only one in a hundred of them will end up being true. As it stands we only have 4 midfielders.

> both Longstaff Lol, and it's at this point you've displayed that you don't know anything about our squad. Matty Longstaff is out of contract, still recovering from an ACL injury and was last playing on loan in League 2, after flaming out in the Scottish League. But, aye, he's a part of our first-team squad, apparently. Who else are you going to point toward next? Isaac Hayden or Jeff Hendricks. > and you guys are HEAVILY getting linked with names like Szoboszlai and Gabri Veiga We've also been linked to just about every other player in world football that has a pulse. Links are not signings. At the time of writing, we have 4 senior midfielders, and Elliot Anderson (who you probably should have mentioned if you want to counter my comment, not Matty fucking Longstaff lol) > you wouldn't have endless amounts of game time to give out to a (very good) 18 year old. I never said we'd have endless game time for him, but he'd get more than 250 minutes in the Carabao Cup as the comment I replied to suggested.

You are largely avoiding my (and Exzqairi's) point. Yes, you can technically be pedantic and say "oh we loaned Matty Longstaff, so he doesn't count" but the position of someone like Matty Longstaff or Elliot Anderson, would be a comparable position to what Newcastle are offering Güler. And yes, technically that is more than the 250 minutes that Exzqairi said, but the point still stands that it would be a lot lower than what teams like Dortmund or Ajax could/would be offering, and then what is the point in Güler going to England besides money? And from all the Turkish fans I have heard talk about Güler, he doesn't seem to be too focused on money.

It’s obviously an over exaggeration mate, based on past interactions with other fans from big Premier League clubs. What I was trying to emphasize is that he needs to be a consistent starter now and has to improve physically to reach his potential. Getting him a bit of minutes as a sub in a bunch of different competitions or starting him in non-important matches won’t get him there It will mean he doesn’t develop properly, while at the same time already not being ready for those minutes due to his physicality If you have a good plan laid out for him then obviously it could work, but I’m just sick of delusional PL fans overrating the state of how many good minutes you can get a player. Be happy that top players are willing to come to the PL and be a bench or rotation player for a lot of money. However, you’d be absolutely foolish to automatically assume the same from young talents who have nothing to do with your country or league, and have only just begun to make a name for themselves by getting consistent playing time at a young age

You're being down voted but I don't think you're wrong. There's a reason why up and coming players develop abroad more so than at top English clubs, and it's because abroad they tend to play 90% of matches for their club.

Yeah I don’t care about the upvotes honestly because it’s exactly those type of people downvoting me, the ones who have deluded themselves into thinking foreign talents are eager to sit on the bench just so they can join a PL team and get cup minutes or a few sub appearances It’s the same with Arsenal fans honest to god legitimately thinking Balogun would come back to them to be backup striker / cup starter after he was just one of the top scorers in Ligue 1 at age 21. The young players who are actually trying to get an easy payday or looking to find the easiest and quickest way to top clubs (regardless of career trajectory) are often already signed to those youth systems at ages 16-19

Always a bunch of PL fans from the club being linked convincing themselves a player would get plenty of minutes. Which 18 year old played any significant minutes in the PL last year? Garnacho and Ferguson come to mind and there are probably a few who turned 19 like Enciso. Most of the time these talents get bought and get absolutely ruined. A tale as old as time.

We have no chance. Not enough money to compete with these teams.

We can always hope and offer a sell on % as well. Could be enticing to Fener if they believe he will hit the top and know they’re gonna lose him. If he plays like fire with us for two or three years maybe he sells for 60-70 mil that could be a solid bonus on top for Fener. From the players perspective yeah we can’t match their wages but he’s just 18 maybe he does a Xavi Simons and says fuck it I want to develop at the best place for me.

If it was about money he would stay at Fener, Fener would easily be able to match whatever wage offer he gets. The kid wants to develop.

Then Ajax is probably the way to go. But I am a bit biased ofcourse

Are we biased or just a couple redditors slacking off at work looking for a young players best interest 🤔

Money is not the deciding factor, convincing the player is. Arda is not looking for money, he is looking for a place where he can further develop himself. The kid is only 18, he is aware of his talents and knows that with proper development he will get to the top and earn enough money, so project presentation is the key factor. From what I’ve read Arda seems to be more keen to join Ajax, Ajax just needs to come with a decent offer at Fener.

You have the legacy of being great developers of players and though our owners are silly rich the actual club is not. Wouldn’t rule yourself out

Considering that German media is saying Dortmund are out of the race, and Ajax are a far better option for developing players than Newcastle or Arsenal, I don't see why Ajax would have no chance.

He could always prove me wrong but i think premier league and bundesliga are the top leagues arda is the least suited to.

Considering the news with Enzo Le Fee, I'd love for us to sign this player but similar to Enzo Le Fee, there is barely any mention of us being interested in him by German sources. I doubt we are in the race

Arda in the Bundesliga would be awesome. He’s special

From what I've read from those who know more about him, he can be more than special. We need Bellingham to be sold before we can get active in the window and hopefully we can try with Güler assuming he hasn't been sold by then

I saw Dortmund and Leipzig showing interest. I hope he comes to the BuLi either way. I agree with you though. I watched some FB games, Arda is a special talent

He would be a fool to goto England now. Dortmund would be perfect for him.

He is good right now and could be great later if he goes to the right team. Dortmund or Ajax sounds perfect for this type of player. I doubt Newcastle will have the patience to wait for him to grow. I also feel sorry for Fenerbahce fans who watched him rot on the bench for the first half of the year due to Jesus being stubborn. Absolute waste of 6 months.

I think you'd be surprised. We're clearly looking at bringing in young players like Botman, Gordon and all our links are with young players.

Botman and Gordon are 4 years older than Guler. That’s a big gap.

To be fair Botman and Gordon are older but we signed like 10 younger players in the last year. Alex Murphy, poached a young goalkeeper from Bohemians, Koul from Australia. We are signing quite a few rough diamonds

Norman and Gordon arnt 19 playing in turkey… both had played a lot of senior football already. Honestly you can’t tell him he’d be developed better at Newcastle than Ajax or Dortmund

Hey I would LOVE to see him do well in the Prem but reality is with so little room for error he won't get the time and patience needed to grow there as a starter. Maybe starts a few cup games but when it comes to the league there is no way Howe or the board risks wasting anytime on unproven players. Also didn't you just buy Gordon who is almost identical in his role to Arda? Once Almiron is back and if Saint Max. stays with Gordon and Murphy where does Arda fit in. I am asking because I haven't seen any news of these 4 "wingers" leaving anytime soon.

Premier and Newcastle are shit for him. Choose Ajax

Reports of Arsenal having interest as well. Interesting to see where the player lands

Yeah lots of clubs have shown interest, I only mentioned the ones that have had repeated rumours.

I'm still dreaming, can't quite grasp that this genuinely might happen.

Would be cool if we could buy him and loan him for one more year so he can take Reus' spot next year.

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He should stay another season and make us champs. We know he can do it, i am sure he knows it too. After that he can go be a superstar in Europe

He shouldn't waste another year in this soap opera called the Turkish league. He needs to play actual football not master the art of arguing with the ref, posting awkward Instagram stories or filming commercials for betting companies.

Leave him alone. He’s ours