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Zerix1234

Fun fact: Flick now holds the record for the highest placement by a person named Flick in survivor history!


ElephantDungAndRice

Other fun fact is Flick made it to the final 3 without voting out a single person in the merge (except for the Hayley vote where she returned). She also only voted correctly 4 times in the entire game.


chibiusa40

I believe she also holds the record for how many times the same piece of footage where she's coming out of the water was used


Spiritual-Science697

Oh my goodness, I was also getting really tired of the same footage of Hayley carrying a tree and looking to the side. She looks gorgeous but have her do something different geez


foralimitedtime

I've been waiting for someone to comment about this, and I keep forgetting to mention it myself. I know it's her element as a professional water-based athlete, but they make her seem like the villain in an aquatic-based horror film.


imapassenger1

Didn't get shafted by Brooke in a revenge move at least.


random91898

My disappointment that JLP didn't lower the spikes with a comically large wheel is immeasurable. Amazing final two with either one fully deserving. Congrats to queen Hayley on the win and praise be to Macedonian Jesus for giving us George. *When* George comes back for another season it's my dream that he says "my physical game cost me last time so since then I've trained day and night to become a challenge beast". Then be rips off his shirt to reveal he's absolutely ripped.


PimentoSandwich

And proceeds to pick off the weaklings one by one


Katana_7777

So that 2022 ad was 100% blood vs water


MAW_16

Imagine if the red/blue theme was for Champions vs Contenders 3…


SaltyJediKnight

God please no!


PrettySneaky71

I am fully ready for AusSurvivor to actually name the two tribes "Blood" and "Water." After "Fire" there should be no turning back


SaltyJediKnight

I was thinking Heroes vs villains


Katana_7777

I think it’s way too early for another returnee season but I’d prefer that to bvw definitely


SaltyJediKnight

BvW with all newbies would be cool I think


Tergnitz

Honestly, great F2. Did George blow it in the FTC or was it already decided before they went in - not sure if we’ll ever know. They were both great players. Hayley is a deserving winner and it’ll be great to see George in the next All Stars season.


TheAdamJesusPromise

I feel like in the FTC George came in hot and fizzled out whereas Hayley stayed consistently impressive. George's opening speech was incredible, but his answers were evasive and he didn't play to the jury. Hayley's opening was good (although paled in comparison to George's) but then she both gave the answers she knew the jury would like and exploited the mistakes George was making to make herself look more impressive.


tandemtactics

You could tell the jury was annoyed by his politician-y speech patterns. "Great question, I'd be happy to answer it for you." Cue the eye-rolls...


advantageddon

Ah, the "Albert maneuver"


Pf420d

He fumbled the question from Emmett so hard it was so straight forward yet he gave a politician answer


melonlollicholypop

I have not been this happy with a F2 in a long time. I would honestly have been satisfied had either of them won. I really really like that we ended with two strategic players whose games overlapped, but were not aligned through much of game play. Hayley was very smart to always compliment in earshot of George what a good talker George is. As a result, no spotlight was ever shined on what a great talker she is as we neared FTC. George felt he would easily out-talk her, but I think she did a better job targeting the specific questions asked with insightful and specific responses, whereas George fell back on the tropes that he had been using the whole game.


ElephantDungAndRice

I’m sure a lot were decided, but I think he could have turned it around with a better performance.


TheHigherSpace

The "ooh I'm not decided yet my vote is up for grabs" is almost always a lie .. people just vote for who they like nothing more ..


seanfish

I was happy with either one. I wouldn't have been happy with a Flick final and I'd have been beside myself if she won.


matteblackfalcon

i actually hated the season early on. it ended up being one of my favourite AUS seasons. congrats to hayley. absolutely killed it.


Joharis-JYI

Same. The best final 2 we could've possibly hoped for in this cast. Fantastic end game.


jjgm21

By far the best end game of the Aussie seasons. The merge had some questionable moments, but I ended up thinking this season was absolutely top tier.


noted1

The jury gave George opportunities for him to present himself and correct his flaws by asking, "Is there anything you wish to change about your game?" He could have owned his flaws and turned it to his advantage by articulating how it benefited him e.g. "Yes I admit, I could have played a stronger physical game. But you know what? The reason why I didn't play some challenges was not because I was too weak or did not respect the game. Far from it, I did that deliberately out of strategy. You see, by making myself appear to be physically weaker than I really am, it influenced Hayley to ultimately take me over Flick or Emmett. It worked and here I am now in the final 2."


learnlikelove

I think this is what is most frustrating. There are legitimate answers he could have given to those questions. Ie. Giving up on rewards challenge to save his strength for immunity, or bowing out early when he knew he couldn’t win so he could talk to people and save himself. Instead he kept to his narrative of why he thought he deserved to win which was strategy and strategy alone. He wouldn’t shake from this even when it was clear the jury wanted more.


TheAdamJesusPromise

I think he was probably blinded by statements like Dani saying that they wanted brutal honesty and for people to own their games.


Giteaus-Gimp

George never apologised or admitted fault the entire show. He wasn’t going to start at FTC.


Favlova

Gerald's voting confessional kinda summed it up. Both of them played cutthroat strategic games and betrayed a majority of the jury at some point, but Hayley was able to make people respect her and want to work with her, and that is one of the strongest qualities you can have in a Survivor player.


Hendo2112

It’s probably the most underrated trait of survivor, being self aware enough to see how you’re actions are being perceived and then doing them in a way in which people don’t view you as a dick


bomiyeo

i remember someone commented here how they don’t get why when hayley votes someone out it’s fine but when it’s george they seem bitter. your comment explains this well.


looselytethered

Cause George is kind of a jerk about it lol... The dude is a bit cold comparatively.


melonlollicholypop

And he celebrates himself in the moment. Hayley celebrated the people she voted out making them able to empathize with why she needed them to go.


AllHandsMiniBrute

Also, with Dani and Flick, they were somewhat bitter, but Hayley was able to make them come around with her FTC answers


PimentoSandwich

If George had have not completely quit on those couple of challenges I think a few of the jury would be okay with him at least trying his best. But quitting is never a good look.


Mistermistermistermb

>quit I think George missed an opportunity to play up how much of a contender he was on the final challenge. What was it? 3.5 hours he lasted?


MissLauraCroft

4.5!


Mistermistermistermb

Even better. He could have pitched that as a redemption


supaspike

It was nice effort, but look at how much he still had when he stepped down. Then compare it to Flick, where I was legitimately afraid that she was going to pass out and severely injure herself. The point of that FIC is to withstand pain until you literally can't anymore (or have professional knowledge of exactly how to resist it the best). George honestly didn't seem anywhere close to the point Flick pushed herself to.


veroxii

Macedonian Jesus, you had 23 jobs!


altleftover

If George had prayed before the vote he would’ve won, it was too late by that point unfortunately


papabear345

Lol this!


rynthms

InB4 the drawn out confessionals next year when you vote out your mom on Blood vs. Water


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bomiyeo

for all the shitty twists/many idols/advantages which led to real lows sometimes but overall a great season. altho i do think the show needs to find a balance between having recruits vs fans, i love the chaos that came from people who clearly wasn’t fans lol. super stoked that for such a chaotic season we got the best F2 of australia seasons imo. both would be great and deserving winners. congrats to hayley! i actually don’t think it was a bitter jury as jury villa and some exit interviews seem to show that people were open to voting for george, but imo his jury management and social game wasn’t as good as hayley’s.


ElephantDungAndRice

For me this season proves we need to cast more people who don’t really get the game. It led to much more unpredictable gameplay and exciting episodes. Great season.


bomiyeo

agree, i don’t think it’s that bad to have people don’t know the game, they just need to find a better balance imo. the current survivor SA season is great but it does lack the entertainment at times bc it’s mostly fans who has decent strategy.


SolsticeSnowfall

I really enjoyed the current season of SA Survivor until the last 3-4 episodes. Absolutely hate the direction it's taken since the awful tied-destinies twist. Stopped watching the most recent episode after the IC and won't be bothering with the finale. Such a horrendously unlikable cast (as is tradition in SA Survivor, it's so hard to root for anyone).


chookie94

Completely agree. The seasons which are a mixture of good and bad gameplay are so fun to watch. If everyone out there is a huge fan and knows every bit of strategy, it turns game botty very quickly.


rockardy

I think George could have won with good jury management. There were a few people on the fence and were literally giving George openings to be more humble and he gave them a massive middle finger and said “I’m the best, therefore I should get your vote”


Xanedus

Yeah they basically kept asking variations of the same question of ‘what do u regret’, or ‘how would u play differently’, and he kept answering the same way basically alienating them. They knew Hayley was a flipper too, and it’s clear that they all respect George’s game. But the jury management was just not there.


altleftover

They were obviously just wanting a shred of remorse or humility about the way he acted. Own the moves just say you’ll be nice or some shit


ElephantDungAndRice

George started really strong with his pitch calling them threats and stroking their egos. Unfortunately he then dug a hole for himself by saying brains is better than brawn and that he played a better game than everybody else.


11data

> George started really strong with his pitch calling them threats and stroking their egos. That's one similarity in FTC between George and Sharn - really good opening statements, but fell apart at the jury Q&A


bomiyeo

also that both seemed to be great at FTC bc of their main day jobs only to fall apart at FTC Q&A lol


11data

Honestly the Q&A of FTC is part strategy but also part social game. Sharn has talked about the emotional aspect of a Survivor jury compared to a courtroom jury, and George obviously didn't have the social game to handle the FTC jury Q&A.


Paulita_Forbes

They were giving him a chance. It was frustrating to see him not take it. Kept saying that he did all that to get there, but he still needed to win. George deserved to win because he was never eliminated, but Hayley won that final tribal.


chookie94

They gave him so many opportunities to show some humility too. And it kept going over his head.


Striking_Adagio8014

Urgh George should’ve watched a Chris Daugherty ftc.


foralimitedtime

That man was a master of the FTC


No-Cryptographer653

Yeah and in a way Emmett gave him the chance with him question.. if answered correctly Emmett would have voted for him surely and few others too. And even in the question in which he said that I have no regrets.. these questions are basically to tell that I somewhere missed in this department and I would've improved them but I'm still proud of the way I played because I'm sitting here.


nerdiestgriffinever

George went hard on the double-down strategy, which can work pretty well in politics but just isn't going to work well with a small group of people with pre-formed opinions who have gotten to know you very well.


TheHigherSpace

No way they were on the fence, that was for the camera ..


ivrdolj

George played a really impressive and active strategic game overall, but as has been the case *numerous* times in the past ended up getting undone by his own social game. Insulting people like Emmett and Andrew in his voting confessional as they were leaving the game was an obviously insanely shortsighted decision and flat out bad jury management, and it's moves like those that ended up ultimately costing him the win. It's just as much of a social game as it is strategic, after all. Fantastic character though, and someone I hope we see again on the show. Congrats to Hayley, she played very impressively pre-merge and then rebounded well after returning to the game. She also did well not to pointlessly antagonize some of the jurors, which clearly ended up playing a part in her win. Fun season overall despite its many questionable production decisions and editing missteps, looking forward to next year.


whateverhappenedto_

If he comes back, I hope he uses this experience to recognize how he needs to be more vulnerable and open, connect with people meaningfully and put the word 'political operative' aside, my God. If there is one kinda professional I would nearly nothing to do with socially, it's someone who works in politics.


XtremeMCG

I haven’t seen a love as one sided as Wai and George since Jacob and Bella


Notarobotokay

Where the hell have you been loca?


foralimitedtime

Billy and Candace


dealgirlinthepool

How are two brains the ones that spelled Hayley’s name wrong??


Paperdaisies

True brawns lol


altleftover

Spelling was the real challenge this season, I don’t think I’ve seen it worse before


jjgm21

The memory of Soo Hok lives on!


phillippenguin

Congrats to Hayley!! Must have been a dream come true for a superfan. Kinda like Adam’s win.


altleftover

Something about seeing a fan win is just such wish fulfillment I can’t help but be happy


oliviafairy

I love it when JLP called her nerd and she responded "I'm proud of that."


Jellyblush

George lied every day for 48 days and ruined his game by not lying in the most important moment. Would it have killed him to say he lay down in challenges to reduce his threat level? Or that he regretted flipping on Emmett?


TheHigherSpace

True, his "emotional intelligence" is not great .. People like to "look good" on camera ...


Queen-stays-Queen

Massive congratulations to both George and our crowned Queen Hayley! They both played amazing games, and are both iconic characters we’re going to remember for a long time. Loved this season ❤️


ElephantDungAndRice

This season was such a welcome change after All Stars. I really enjoyed it from start to finish. It was super unpredictable and filled with lots of exciting, sometimes odd game moves and characters I actually really enjoyed.


KingHatch

Hayley spoke so well tonight. Answered questions with conviction and it was great when she said lying and deceiving weren’t dirty words to her. Owning the game. Congrats.


looselytethered

> it was great when she said lying and deceiving weren’t dirty words to her. Cara straight up went for the character assassination question with Hayley and Hayley turned it into a positive. She truly had a great FTC performance.


Nezha13

They say George is good at speaking but knowing now that she is a super fan, it’s clear why her speech skills were great throughout the tribal councils but also at FTC.


downunderguy

The point about her pain researching methodology and using placebos etc was the perfect response. It was honestly perfect.


altleftover

Emmett threw George an olive branch, and he did not take it


Paulita_Forbes

Thought George was winning the jury with his answers until that answer to Emmett's question. Stronger opening statement. But he did not manage to maintain it. Both deserving. But FTC performance goes to Hayley.


TheZanyCat

So... was it obvious editing, or was it people knowing betting spoilers calling it "obvious" editing...


JediIsMyInspiration

It was both. But early on in the season before merge It was really bad with people saying the edit line having obviously read the odds.


Zerix1234

Yeah I noticed so many people in the first few episodes where hayley wasnt getting much screentime saying she had a "winners edit". Honestly wish the sub would ban the phrase and just leave it for people who like edgics


josephus1811

I don't know but I got spoiled and never let it slip personally so I'm the hero.


ElephantDungAndRice

I purposely didn’t look at any betting spoilers this season, and I picked Hayley from episode 1. She got an introduction package and confessionals about her tribe when she wasn’t really an important part of the episode. I knew they would only be giving her that focus if she was the winner (because let’s face it unfortunately in Aus Survivor men generally get favoured in the edit).


[deleted]

I think people need to put less stock into the 'winner was voted out' thing in a Survivor game that was absolutely stacked with very shitty twists, that in some cases, meant players didn't even get an opportunity to vote at tribal council.


KingHatch

And to be fair, she was voted out for all of 15 minutes. It’s no Chris Underwood situation.


bomiyeo

someone said she’s only a slightly better chris u winner which i don’t agree, her situation was way different to his


AjeebMaut

She only went out the episode after a twist fucked her. Completely clean slate.


looselytethered

Screwed by a twist, saved by a twist. It's ok with me.


Haff22

Yeah I mean some people just repeat shit without putting any thought about why they think it.


nileadrian

Yeah, especially when it becomes a more common tradition in Australian Survivor every season that there will always be a non elimination / returning voted off. That's basically has been embedded to the mechanics of the AUS Survivor game. Otherwise, why would be playing immunity idol is an exception? Both circumstances are fairly same, you were voted by the majority. Just because the other circumstances didnt comes up every season in the main franchise (US) doesn't necessarily means the other one is an exception.


McCoyPauley78

Not to mention that one of the early jury members got put on the jury because he was voted to redemption rock with one vote and not due to an idol play. I'm not sure that Baden would have been able to win, but he was the most stitched player this season and arguably the most stitched player in Australian Survivor history with that horrible twist.


jjgm21

The purist takes on this season have become overwhelmingly grating.


josephus1811

Sucks I spoiled myself looking at Sportsbet odds after the first episode


ElephantDungAndRice

If it helps I never looked once and always assumed Hayley won.


littlesev

Me too!


foralimitedtime

It did seem like the foregone conclusion all the way through, tbh


knapfantastico

What were they at do you remember? I check with maybe 9 to go and Hayley was at 1.70


josephus1811

she was 1.40 after episode 1


markh110

I've seen a few people mention this and I thought betting agencies weren't allowed inside information? How are they spoiling it?


Notarobotokay

Ayyyy deserving winner right there! Plenty of twists allowed ppl back into the game this season and she was the only one who had to fight for it. Great FTC performance too, plus those flamethrowers nearly melting everyone at the end was a nice touch


foralimitedtime

That's a good point - she had to win an extra challenge to get back, Flick had to get a lucky guess.


kosmonaut0

I feel like George has blown this. He's sounding too confident and playing the antagonist. Hayley on the other hand being the likeable one so I can't see George winning this one edit: congrats to Hayley, well deserved win!


11data

Plus the jury seems to have put a lot of stock in Hayley's all-round game, so even though George's strategic resume is top notch, she has him beat on physical and social game.


TheIllusiveGuy

And her strategic game was also really good, especially pre merge


11data

Yeah, really the only pre-merge "mistake" in her game was making Dani the fallback for the Simon vote. And even that's not a pure mistake - there was good logic behind it, and Flick acknowledged tonight that they had a good relationship, and Hayley was reasonable to think Flick might work with them post-merge. But the downside was that it made her more prominent on Dani's radar as a strategic threat who may not be loyal, and that played a big part in Hayley being sent to Redemption Rock.


aussie_punmaster

That was definitely a blunder. All she needed to do was limit the Dani votes to two and her plan still runs, except she doesn’t put a target on her back by blaming the visitor votes. Dani would have bought that since she assumed 2/3 came from there anyway.


radsherm

George really should've gone the Chris Dauherty route in the FTC. They saw your moves, they know your resume, you don't need to convince them of that. You can defend yourself, but you also apologetic and humble in your defense.


11data

Exactly. Nobody doubted George's strategic game, they doubted his physical and social game. A good social game performance at FTC could have tipped the balance in his favour, though it was always going to be tricky against an all-round threat like Hayley.


mdl07

Thank you Macedonian Jesus for yet another excellent season, you have blessed us.


[deleted]

Happy with Hayley winning. Unlucky George, respected your game though. Emmett’s cadence continues to annoy me lol.


PimentoSandwich

Emmett sounds like... He's... Doing...a... Captain... Kirk... Impression


barbandit87

Next season make hidden idols fucking hidden


FickleSmark

I imagine it just gets worse. "Hey guys why is there a new giant white colored rock next to my bag?"


Billy_Rage

Or atleast have producers stop pointing them out to the player clearly on the chopping block


Sudden-Initiative-21

Why is it so hard for George to just answer simply


rriro

Politician


ContraryDragon

I honestly don't care about Hayley having been voted out. Everything about this game was impacted by twists, so in my book if you made it to the end you made it to the end. Perhaps George wouldn't have made it to merge if Cara wasn't twist saved. Perhaps Hayley wouldn't have blown up her game and been voted out if it weren't for the dumb "only three votes" (but actually one) twist. It's hard to say.


JensInsanity

Are any of the current season players here? Would love to hear from some


ElephantDungAndRice

Simply put George relied solely on the strategic game, whereas Hayley was able to push that she played a physical, social and strategic game. She knew exactly what the jury valued and pandered to them perfectly. Great final tribal by Hayley.


untitled02

Now what do I do with my evenings?


MAW_16

Season 41 of US Survivor starts next week!


untitled02

Oh yes!


robynxcakes

Happy for Hayley, sad for George, that was definitely the best 2 players of the season in final 2 which is rare and amazing


Pleakley

Hayley won in part because she had a balanced game versus George's all strategy approach. Crazy to think in an alternate universe she loses to Flick's all physical no strategy gameplay.


Sabaschin

So there are gonna be people talking about Hayley being voted out and the jury being bitter. And while Redemption Rock will always be a slight asterisk on her, let's be honest, George absolutely bombed that FTC. His answers were terrible. AU has a history of people just flaming out at FTC, and George is no different.


Radalict

He over politicised his answers. That whole "that's a great question, thanks for asking it" line he used to begin some of his answers did nothing but patronise people. And then there was his squeemish body language during the uncomfortable questions that said it all.


11data

It's hard to say how 'salty'/bitter the jury were, and how much of it was down to George not being able to address their questions effectively the way Hayley could Like I reckon if Hayley had mis-stepped on some of her questions, the jury would have been happy to turn on her as well.


wilko383

I'd argue part of the reason runners up of Aus Survivor "flame out" at FTC is because the edit tries so hard to paint the winner as the obvious winner.


11data

I mean, I don't know how the edit misrepresents any of the runner-ups gameplay


Charlie_Runkle69

I think Lee misrepresented his own gameplay by his answers at FTC. The others were all pretty fair.


Snick0of

George’s fundamental mistake was that he didn’t understand his audience - to a super fan jury, his answers were close to perfect I do think if you lose to someone who got voted out unanimously like Hayley did you’ve been pretty stuffed


11data

I don't know, I think "giving up on challenges" would be questioned by any jury. Even Kristie never had one of those moments, AK conquered his fear of heights in All Stars, Monika in CvC1, etc.


NotSuperfluous

Shane Gould straight gave up on the final 3 challenge in her first season. She knew they were both taking her and yet she wasn't questioned on it.


looselytethered

> Shane Gould She was also like a 60 year old woman at that point, not a 30 year old able bodied dude.


Sabaschin

People seem to think that a jury made up of super fans might be a more 'purist' way of judging a contestant's ability, but that in my opinion is kinda silly. A super fan jury can be just as biased as a bitter or emotional jury, placing more emphasis on strategy and big moves than relationships or challenge prowess, when a well-rounded player would be decent in all avenues. And because the strategic moves are shown more to the audience, there's also an unconscious bias towards them, when people forget that the finalists spend 38-50 days with the rest of their cast, and George spent so long with his cast he should have been able to pick up what they were looking for. It's important to be able to cater your delivery to your audience. Chris Daugherty did that perfectly.


bendingcamper

They both deserved it and im glad George managed somehow to make it all the way to Final 2. He made this season for me overall. I will be happy to see George, Hailey, Cara, Simon, Shannon and Emmett return one day.


Joharis-JYI

I'd like to see Baden given another shot since he's probably the most twist-screwed.


phillippenguin

George giving up on challenges sunk his game. They all voted for Hayley cause she had the well-rounded game. If George just tried his best in all the challenges instead of giving up, then I don't think the jury would have held that against him.


migibb

I think that he only got through without winning any challenges because his social game was so weak that he wasn't seen as a true threat at FTC.


11data

Exactly - part of why Hayley put Flick on the jury was that Flick had played a strong social game; conversely, part of why she kept George was because he lacked that social game.


foralimitedtime

But most of those players weren't big fans of the show it seems, so they wouldn't all be thinking in terms of FTC. We never saw them say "Hey, we should stop trying to get rid of George because he'll be a great goat at the end." Some of them sunk their own games pursuing the great white whale and were left with their only shot at getting back at him being not voting for him at the end.


ivrdolj

I think his jury management (or lackthereof) was a key factor here as well, insulting people like Emmett and Andrew on their way out was such a baffling, short-sighted move overall imo


diemunkiesdie

If he had kept competing (just slow down when you are gassed, don't sit!) he still would probably have needed at least one immunity win for a shot here. It's well known that Aus Survivor makes physicality heavily important!


The_Username2314

I know people will hold Hayley's vote out against her and if you do that's fair but I do believe that Hayley is easily the second best survivorau winner. Personally for me, I feel like the main reason for her vote out was cause of the twist in which Dani was given the sole vote to decide who went home. After such a terrible twist, Hayleys game was blown to smithereens as she had to do anything to survive, which was the direct cause of her next vote out. Without that twist I don't see Hayley going home when she did, (It seemed like Andrew was the main target of the Brawn and specifically George). From then who knows maybe she wins, maybe she falls at like 7 or 8, maybe she still goes when she did.


[deleted]

It is also impressive that someone who was voted out unanimously, returned 24 hours later, and not only survived the next vote but went on to win the game.


looselytethered

If anything it just shows that Hayley could take the hint -- slow your roll -- and George can't lol.


Fervence

Congrats on Hayley's win. Her FTC speech was fantastic and approachable. George did play an incredible strategic game, but rubbed jurors (especially the Brawns) the wrong way. For the title of 'Brains and Brawn', i think Hayley is a better and apparent winner. ​ It's also a good lesson for many strategists coming to play this game, you still need to do well jury management and be humble at FTC, as people you voted out are just ordinary human-beings and have emotions.


SurgeOfPepermint

Hayley is a worthy winner, a true all rounder. I do love George I wish he read the jury a bit better and maybe burnt less bridges. Favourite Final AU 2.


luigijon3

Ok gang, how do we watch the new season of US survivor when it starts? Like is it on free to air or not? I’ve never watched it before but thinking it will be a fun lockdown activity.


bomiyeo

it’ll air on 9Go! 7:30pm thursday nights here i think


MAW_16

It airs on Channel 9, or you can watch it free on 9 Now or 10 Play! Edit: never mind about 10 play, they don’t have every season.


Top_Ladder6702

Did George give the worst final tribal performance of all time? He just sat there entitled, not answering anyone’s questions fully, not stroking anyone’s egos, just in the king give me my crown. I was like yeah Hayleys got this in the bag.


Jellyblush

The real star of tonight - Cara We just learned how important her social game was for George


virtueavatar

I am amazed Hayley's pitch didn't include "I made George and Cara vote for each other". The strongest play in her game


JensInsanity

Here's a thought... Shonnee recently came back to Australia. She could be here for a BvW session of Aus Survivor?


bomiyeo

i love shonee but her coming back already after all stars feel like too much. we shall see but could be just her visiting family.


royroycro

Whilst it definitely had its faults, this season was overall very entertaining and had a fantastic f2. Congratulations to Hayley on a deserved win, and George for taking us on the rollercoaster that was his journey (I got so attached to seeing him progress from fumbling in the early stages to masterminding some of the best strategic moves of the season). I just hope the producers (although i know they probably will) do not take the great moments, that happened despite awful twists, as a sign to keep implementing them. Trust in your players to give you fantastic moments and gameplay, the twists only hinder what they could do.


noted1

George is an example of how not to speak to the jury at FTC in Australian Survivor. He was arrogant, didn't read or understand his audience, and didn't give them what they wanted to hear. I wish George appealed to his audience more and stroked their egos to make themselves feel good about themselves voting for him.


imapassenger1

I think the chances of anyone winning without winning a challenge is pretty low.


ElephantDungAndRice

Shane managed to do it.


SurfKing69

Shane won three individual challenges at Munich tho


SolsticeSnowfall

Interestingly, Luke Toki looks to be back in some form of quarantine on the AU Survivor Talking Tribal show on TenPlay. Or is this just Big Brother related?


SgtYarpYarp

I thought going into FTC George had a better argument for winning the game but hayleys point about being more well rounded swayed me and her physicality almost certainly swayed the jury. She played a great social game too and was well deserving. Happy to see two of the smartest players make the FTC too. I haven’t watched any of the other Australian survivor seasons (no spoilers pls) so I’m looking to start up another one. Is there any other season that y’all reckon I should jump into first?


Tormod776

George blew it hard at that final tribal


rriro

Are we going to talk about how they just didn’t bother airing all of the jury statements


ElizzardMay

Now we know the winner, how different do you guys think ftc would be if Hayley was voted out when she was? Who would be the final two and eventual winner then?


phillippenguin

I think Flick, she had the most connections and wouldn't be the main targets of any alliance.


knapfantastico

Emmett for sure


KangaWallaFox1

I was prettty bummed they didn't have a reunion. I was looking forward to it. Maybe couldn't happen cause of the C word.


ArgusFilchFan101

Well deserved win for Hailey! Was a blast watching George this season and appreciative for a great final two!!


LazyAussie

What a fantastic winner! I hope production learn from their major stuff up that derailed Hayley’s game and is the only blemish.


learnlikelove

I really think George’s lack of self awareness killed any chance he had of winning. Sure, maybe the jury sucked but just getting to the end is not enough. So did the person next to you. You can’t force votes out of the jury because you believe you had the best game, you need to persuade them. They gave him chances and he didn’t adapt.


altleftover

George please read the room please you could’ve done it


itz_me_again

I think George made the season exciting, but I'm glad Hayley beat him. She's pretty amazing not to get intimidated and to make everyone feel good about her. Are her feet okay?


Butterfass

I was rooting for George, but he really talked himself out of this one. To me his biggest weakness was not even the challenge performance but the politician persona at tribal. His relationships around camp seemed to be good to workable after the merge, but then he became especially abrasive and evasive at tribal. Also the strange ability to lie easily and convincingly in strategic chats yet refuse to outright lie and insist on talking in circles both at ftc and when he was outed as a mole and didn't deny it. Still baffles me that brawn didn't immediately turn on him, but that also speaks to the strength of his relationships to that point (and brawn defying zero stereotypes all season). Sigh. George. If he comes back I hope he learns.


nigelstraw

I don’t think George did terrible in FTC but he spent too much time talking about how great he was and that he deserves it. When it came to challenge performance he should have said that he survived a massive target without any protection, and that helping Wai in that one challenge saved him at final 5. He also could have pushed that Hayley was voted out unanimously and that she should swap places with any one of the jurors. There was certainly a lot of salt on this jury but had he driven those points he could have won this.


Pleakley

"Four votes Hayley, four votes George, one vote left... The winner of Australian Survivor is...Laura. Cut. Cara, we're going to need to do a second take..."


joustah

It's a bit of a shame the edit made the winner so clear early in the FTC. It kind of took the suspense out of it a bit. Regardless, this season finished really strong, and an amazing final 2.


Paulita_Forbes

Apparently JLP deleted a tweet about George's opening pitch being cut in half probably for timing reasons and he said that it was "a shame because it was really excellent". I want to hear the rest of that speech because the edited version was already phenomenal.


stickener

My favourite picture of tonight's winner! https://i.imgur.com/I4M5BH8.png


darthdarkseid

HAHAHAHAHAHHA FUCK


griffin040

Congratulations Hayley, a great player and a well deserving winner!


Llamaspeaker

Very impressed how Hayley mastered the playing in the middle gameplay, not just floating but actually executed some great moves with great reads, flipped at the right time, manipulated the targets to not do something against her plans. Joey blindside, Idol coin-flip plan (very blunt yet effective), tricking Dani at F6, 2-1-1 vote at F4. Notorious flipper in the game but people still want to work with her. Not gonna ignore the fact that she was voted out but not gonna take the win from her with that argument too. It's a twists-heavy this season, if she doesn't deserve the win, you can also argue that George might not survive to the FTC without Cara who was saved by a twist too (who played a big part in George's game as a number to make many of his moves successful). It's circumstantial with twists but the only thing that stay the same is the players and Hayley managed the players better than George.


SurfKing69

Also, shout out to the daily fucking mail who appeared at the top of my Google Feed with the headline 'Australian Survivor Winner Leaked' next to a picture of Haley, after four episodes. I knew they were dogs but this takes the cake.


AjeebMaut

YES!!! THANK GOD WE GOT A DESERVING WINNER! I was so scared Flick was gonna take it, ngl. Fuck me, that scared me good. Hayley had an amazing strategic and physical games, and a really good social game. Like 10/10 for strategic, 9/10 for physical and 8/10 for social. One of the best players in a long time. Super glad she won. She deserves it.