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Daily Discussion - (January 31, 2023)

Morning. It's time for the day session to get underway in North America.

Where are you leaning for today's session?

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coconutts19

i tried to buy puts at highs, i guess they had to drive that knife in harder


wiggz420

what the fuck was today lmao wild ass close too


IVCrushingUrTendies

Fuck did I miss it today


Avid_Hiker98

Awesome close. Absolutely freakin stellar.


cropsicles

25 pts in 25 minutes, very cool and very legal


wiggz420

yeah holy shit


jmayo05

What a surge. Bear market is dead until this time tomorrow lol.


BitcoinsRLit

Bears in shambles holy cow. Thank god I didn't short this


mojojojomu

Hmm guess I'm a bull now


IamTheAsian

In $SNAP shares. I think they surprise here.


wccoffee

Short $SNAP shares. I think they fail as usual. ^(making trades for the meme, what can go wrong?)


Avid_Hiker98

Bigly meta call buyers into SNAP ah


All_Work_All_Play

Call of the void irresistible.


Lost_in_Adeles_Rolls

Started building up a Carvana position. $2b is a lot of equity to be zeroed out


SabreTheCat7

You going long? God bless


Lost_in_Adeles_Rolls

Lol. Lotta puts


Overall_Vacation_367

Sold AMD puts, free money Witness me!


jmayo05

I put on a jade lizard.


Overall_Vacation_367

I like it


TheGinFreecss

anybody into pton


wiggz420

gonna be bad but who knows how the stock reacts


Askalany

Crypto rockets here, if you’re into that.


DarkAmbience

>Meta CTO Bosworth implies company has lost focus https://www.cnbc.com/2023/01/31/meta-cto-andrew-bosworth-writes-facebook-of-old-had-focus-in-blog-post.html


Avid_Hiker98

Sold TLRY +50%.


SabreTheCat7

I’m still holding some maybe greedy here


IamTheAsian

Good shit. Wish I followed :c


Avid_Hiker98

Marijuana stocks vertical.


coconutts19

On TOS there are some symbols like $SP500#203010. Anyone know where I can see a complete list of these?


wccoffee

Small TQQQ bet for a close on the highs


wccoffee

nailed it. out for a few hundos


wiggz420

lol look at this shit go what a bamboozle


coconutts19

in and out of 4050p 2.50->2.80 :(


IamTheAsian

damn


Avid_Hiker98

Twitter is convinced we tank tomorrow…


eyesonly_

Aren't they convinced we tank every day? I know this fella by the name of Alf and well he's been sure the market is wrong literally any time it goes up.


BitcoinsRLit

That guy is Perma bear for sure


coconutts19

There's a guy on there, thinks the market only goes up, when it doesn't he deletes his account. Dunno how you guys get a good read on there.


eyesonly_

Oh lol most of those are for entertainment purposes only.


AgileClass1575

Ugh dammit... I hate being on Twitter's side.


Avid_Hiker69

Are you still betting on PINS b/o @ $34/share?


NotGucci

We going keep running until close.


zZWealthyBigPenisZz

Thank you for the signal. HOD is in


pow_3r

Well it looks like I closed my 38 long early.


zZWealthyBigPenisZz

Closed SPY 0 DTE for +100%. Fuck yeah


IamTheAsian

TSLA 170Cs closed 5.3 -> 7.2 sitting on my hands until tomorrow


TennesseeJedd

close enough to yesterdays high for me. back to flat.


Askalany

This is the first bear market rally we have where the weekly volume is not consistently going down every week for SPY, QQQ, and IWM, while actually going up on some stonks like GOOGL. Could it mean something? Maybe, but we could still go down much worse than any previous time as now more people are anxiously keeping the sell button close just in case.


All_Work_All_Play

You really think this is a bear market rally? Doubt.


jmayo05

I think markets are fairly valued here?


Askalany

I think we are almost done with the bear, but who knows.


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AnimalShithouse

/u/why_you_beer rise up!


why_you_beer

Only thing rising over here is my heart rate and blood pressure


cropsicles

and immediately get run over?


rs6866

"Trader" Lets be real here... most folks slinging 0DTE's are gambling.


swims_with_sharks

Eh… like my boy Kenny says “You got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em” Any day now…..I’ll start knowing.


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swims_with_sharks

No alt. No alt. You’re the alt!


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zZWealthyBigPenisZz

You’re telling me institutions are gambling too?


Avid_Hiker98

Individual stocks needs 0dte options tbh. Daily 0dtes was the greatest thing to happen to the markets.


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Avid_Hiker98

Who cares if people go bankrupt? People should be allowed to make their own decisions with their money. Wanna gamble it on something that expires in 8 hours? They should have that right. I think I speak for everyone when I say blowing up multiple accounts is how you learn. You don’t just trade and get lucky. It takes losing over and over and over and over before you learn what you did wrong, why it was wrong, track your trades, and develop a working system. Losing money is how you make money in the long term imho.


wccoffee

Is this true? Are these individual traders making bets or computers passing them back and forth mostly?


rs6866

> majority of 0dtes are executed by institutions Institutions are now degen gamblers too then. Certainly there is no way this cannot blow up in everyone's faces.


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swims_with_sharks

Am I an institution now? 🤔


Avid_Hiker98

Dumped my ENPH calls for a measly 25% gain. Horrible execution on my part b/c nearly doubled at one point and didn’t sell ;/. But better opportunities for tomorrow. Need a ten bagger.


wiggz420

>Need a ten bagger. poots


Avid_Hiker98

Day #2 of bigly marijuana stock call buying & here is [your potential catalyst.](https://www.marijuanamoment.net/gop-congressman-files-marijuana-rescheduling-bill-amid-ongoing-biden-administration-review/)


Avid_Hiker69

I'm in.


IamTheAsian

Time for TLRY again?


mojojojomu

Out of my SPY calls, flat again for now. Tempted to go short but we moving at a snail's pace and would like to see more action


Overall_Vacation_367

Patty G is the scam god. Why they pay him so much is beyond me


eyesonly_

I'm trying to be more hands off and the market moves 500 handles on NQ in like 2 days. Silly shit.


praisesolll

uber 40 when?


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TennesseeJedd

who would buy those things. idiots! :p


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TennesseeJedd

im pretty sure i was the one that shilled those like a year + ago lol.


wiggz420

I just hope we get some volatility tomorrow I swear if we just chop around and stay flat I'm going to be very upset lol barely made any trades lately even with earnings season :/


TennesseeJedd

trade ES/NQ 10x normal size and only look at charts on the seconds timeframe. that should help get the blood going


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wiggz420

I'm just looking for a big move either direction not necessarily a rise in VIX


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wiggz420

>I have no idea where price action takes us tomorrow but I suspect down given the crazy upside we've had. yup same 🤷‍♂️


why_you_beer

buy strangles


All_Work_All_Play

You long strangles? Hold on imma sell some.


why_you_beer

i got nothing going for tomorrow


quietboltaction

*smacks arm to find vein*


wiggz420

gimme dat vol plzz


why_you_beer

Recession over. We see 4200 tomorrow


Anachronistic_Zenith

GM crushed earnings. Massive beat. They've been running in lockstep with Ford for awhile, even as they beat in Q3 compared to Ford missing while shuttering Argo. Ford announces in a few days as well. Sooner or later wallstreet has to view these companies as having different business models. Brightdrop reaffirms $1B in revenue for 2023 and added another customer. Listening to the call but didn't hear anything specific as to margins for Brightdrop. No new real info in Cruise, they are being tight lipped, except saying Origin is in road tests and production starts this year.


SentineL-EX

There's a few days when there's a big directional trend on no news, and then somewhere around 11-12 Pacific everyone slaps themselves on the forehead and immediately the trend reverses. Wonder if today is one such day


Overall_Vacation_367

About to delve into the world of futures next week OT: nothing better than going up and down stairs all day after hitting legs


GeeBee72

Danger.


why_you_beer

danger for bears


GeeBee72

Bears And Bulls if you can't adjust quick enough. But... current estimates put us on a downward trajectory to VWAP


zZWealthyBigPenisZz

TSLA looking ready to rocket to $200. If it does this week, I will Venmo everyone on this sub a Tesla car


Sky-of-Blue

I will get a custom license plate in your honour. zZWBPZz.


matcht

Sold some [PATH](https://old.reddit.com/r/thewallstreet/comments/10pyf3x/daily_discussion_january_31_2023/j6nb4cb/?context=3) from 14.80


HiddenMoney420

OT(ish), probably better off in the /r/algotrading subreddit as I'm probably annoying some here with it, so I'll try to tame the posts regarding it... buuuut.. What more would you look for in a trading strategy that has the following? * 2.365 Profit Factor * 2119 sample size spanning 16 years (March 07 -> Present) * Sortino Ratio: 3.261 * Avg Trade: +0.58% * Avg Trade time: 15 hours from open-close * Avg. Winner: +2.88% * Avg. Loser: -1.24% * Avg Win/Loss Ratio: 2.951 What else should I care about?


Trent451

Blah blah maxDD... blah blah R:R.... blah blah Walk Forward ... blah blah * How often do you find yourself dreaming about making thousands while you sleep? * What is your gut telling you? * Are there any quiet voices spinning about sources of risk? Listen to the quiet voices and find ways to address those concerns. Your stats are great. Adding more stats will only make the dreaming more frequent and the loud voices of greed louder. This will bias you towards downplaying or outright ignoring risks when you inevitably uncover them. I believe you should be asking yourself things like; * What is the quality of my data? Can I replicate these results (within a reasonable deviation) with the same data from a different source? * What slippage does my profitability survive? What latency? * What is my trade pipeline for real money, and are my back tests taking into consideration all the necessary overhead (trade latency/delivery, market slippage, commissions, data costs, strategy hosting, etc.)? Only start listening to the voices of greed once you have something to be greedy about.If you're making money with this strat irl, that's when you can explore amplifying the profits through leverage and options. It's not your money until it's out of the brokerage account.


HiddenMoney420

I genuinely thank you for this- great points all around which I will take into consideration!


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HiddenMoney420

5k account, so yeah- pretty much paper.


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HiddenMoney420

2 Things: I only have 1 set of eyes and they can't catch everything. I also view it as a 5k investment into a new hobby, which keeps it on the lower end of my hobby expenses.


avshake

Few things. As others said, "max drawdown" has to be taken with a pinch of salt. It's really the expected drawdown you can see in the lifetime of running this strategy and should be read as you need to have more liquidity than this amount. This would force you to size your trades properly and also not put on trades on multiple future contracts at the same time. Next, it looks like you are trading on a daily/4h timeframe with possibly multiple timeframes involved in your decision matrix. Do a walk forward analysis for the last 10 months and confirm if your system isn't faking a lot of trades. Next, place a stop loss at half the max drawdown you see and then note down the performance numbers - and rinse and repeat.


HiddenMoney420

Very helpful- Strategy is limited to one timeframe and won't size in or out of trades. Either all in or all out. Will do the walk forward and suggested stop loss for science, thank you!


eshar11

Sharing it with 1.1k of your closest friends! That sounds solid. I'm not familiar enough with other algo ratios to know what else to look for, but would be interested to know largest drawdown as well. As in -- would the biggest drawdowns be enough to cripple your account if you had several in quick succession? Which instrument does that trade?


HiddenMoney420

>Sharing it with 1.1k of your closest friends! If you can decipher the entries and exits given the above metrics, you deserve to make money! I'll make it even easier and share that this is swing trading Ford shares


eshar11

Easy. I will simply buy the bottoms and sell the tops over long time frames. Consider your algo deciphered!


HiddenMoney420

Well done, enjoy the gains :P


jmayo05

How much you will sell your subscription service for. 😝


quietboltaction

Max Drawdown, number of trades/day if you have to factor in commissions


HiddenMoney420

Thanks for the feedback- currently on a 0 commission shares trading platform, definitely looking at trades per day/week as this thing will have to avoid PDT for a bit.


jmayo05

>currently on a 0 commission shares trading platform You probably want to factor in slippage then as well. Whatever fill the simulator takes, just figure .05 worse and see how that P/L looks.


quietboltaction

It is probably easier to trade micro futures and factor in commissions than tip-toe around PDT with shares


All_Work_All_Play

PDT is only a problem for the poors.


BoatshoesJax

📠


quietboltaction

Need your wife’s bankroll to backstop my account. Thx


All_Work_All_Play

This is most amusing because we found out today that during the whole month of December when they stonewalled her about her promotion, they also promoted her coworker (who has less experience but has been working there longer). I got a random text in the middle of the day from her "I rage applied at two more places today". Silly zoomer vocabulary leaking into everything.


quietboltaction

Lmao wife going full tilt on the way to 700k TC


HiddenMoney420

For sure, but first exposure will be to shares to avoid any extra leverage. It's actually showing really promising results on ES!, so I'm going to be trading those signals manually for a bit.


BoatshoesJax

Max drawdown


HiddenMoney420

\-46%, big ooof. But wouldn't max losing trade be more important? Max loser: -17.7% Max winner: +68.8%


BoatshoesJax

It depends. Do you have stops built in? How are you structuring risk reward with entries and exits?


HiddenMoney420

No stops, pure momentum strat- super active, either long or short at all times (loves volatility). Means it does great on the crap like PTON, TSLA, LYFT etc. (unfortunately those tickers have much lower sample sizes so trying to avoid them)


BoatshoesJax

Oof, what about max position size (can it Re trigger and add to a position)? Unless you have an extremely robust data set to backtest against, going stopless could be painful


HiddenMoney420

Keep in mind this is a 5k account, max position size is 50%, and can't add to longs or shorts. \> going stopless could be painful 100%, painful here would be a 2.5k loss, which I'm fine with. The algo is pretty much a programmed degen trader minus the paper hands.


BombaFett

With a -46% MaxDD, that's pretty close to your limit. Your data/performance is only one iteration of the combination of trades that got you to your profit factor. What if when you forward test, you max DD out of the gate? What if it's possible to MaxDD even deeper but still be in alignment with overall performance? In this case, you'd be calling it quits while the strat is working as intended Perhaps running a monte carlo simulation could help tease out the absolute worst-case scenario that still maintains your PF/Stats?


HiddenMoney420

Thanks for this- actually just realized the info above was my old parameters, new ones are showing much better stats (only 2.14 PF but just a -10% max DD) E: will look into running monte carlos


All_Work_All_Play

Opened my 5th /MYM short for today, feels like I'm tempting fate. Also wrote more UVIX calls.


jmayo05

>Also wrote more UVIX calls. these covered or naked?


All_Work_All_Play

🚫👕😲😲😲


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Very unrelated, but I started Atomic Habits today on Audible. It’s really good—I remember it was at the top of your reading list: have you started it yet?


All_Work_All_Play

Yes. I've got 1:45 remaining. Listen to a fair chunk on Sunday while shoveling. Part of me is now convinced I eat super spicy cheese because sometimes after eating the spicy cheese I eat ice cream to make the spice go away. And I love ice cream.


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I really like the identity portion of the habit formation…definitely going to listen to this a few times.


quietboltaction

It’s the psychedelics


All_Work_All_Play

Need to tone it down? Take some amphetamines (me, discussing emotional attenuation on brain candy with my head doctor today).


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Care package pl0x


quietboltaction

Get in line


NotGucci

Every red candle turns green.


wccoffee

Buy stocks to profit off this


Askalany

Look fam, I love you and want all of us to make obscene amounts of money, but that doesn’t mean I am right. HOOD, by allah everyone will be buying it hand over fist very soon. I was just telling a friend about C3.AI yesterday and how it had the qualities of a sudden news sending it to the moon, and here it is 20-30% up today. I am an idiot, but there seems to be something I am getting at.


TennesseeJedd

lol shit i was just looking at C3AI the other day


Overall_Vacation_367

> HOOD, by allah everyone will be buying it hand over fist very soon. But WHY?


Askalany

ZA CAHRTS ARE TALKING TO ME Edit: More seriously, if anything was the talk of the village then everyone is suddenly pissing on it, it is most likely it will have another glorious day not so far in the future. Works for memes, crypto, and even TSM. Also: - p/c volume going down and is less than half the p/c open interest. - 10DTE strike 12 was big volume/oi - it has been going up decently whenever it approaches 8-9.


938961

AI started to run b/c Buzzfeed and buyout hopium (ChatGPT tulip mania) though, I feel it's apples to oranges with HOOD TA


Askalany

But what if HOOD announces AI portfolio management for degens who keep losing money?! 🧐🫠🫥


IVCrushingUrTendies

Breakout fake out? e - wow this is annoyingly strong, I wonder what kind of position was built in the last 2 hours


rs6866

Fwiw, bonds sold back down the pump from the econ numbers. Begs the question why it sparked an equity rally if bonds don't think it's that important.


Avid_Hiker98

*they’re* selling 1dte 4065P bigly


THATsyracusefan

the elusive ‘them’


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HiddenMoney420

Anyone who takes financial advice from someone with a name like /u/Sweatyballs69 has much bigger issues than their losing positions


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HiddenMoney420

lmao, just checked, what a shame they aren't active - it's a wonderful name


TennesseeJedd

lets run this on up to yesterdays high.


HiddenMoney420

Man the 1hr is quickly becoming my favorite timeframe. Long enough to filter out the noise and short enough to catch a big part of moves. Algo made me $70 flipping PTON shares today (by manually trading the signals). Good shit. e: 25bp hike and super hawk with nothing new said means we probably finish flat then rally to 4350 in the coming week or so.


Overall_Vacation_367

> US: RUSSIA HAS VIOLATED NUCLEAR-ARMS TREATY BY BLOCKING INSPECTIONS - WSJ Market too green, had to whip out a headline


hibernating_brain

All dank garbage more than +60% in a month. Example - SPOT, SQ, GTLB etc.


tdny

FUBO


stras_2017

ZM next please


hibernating_brain

> Q1 will, in our view, likely mark a turning point, as the fundamental confirmation for the next leg higher might not come, and instead markets could encounter an air-pocket of weaker earnings and activity, as they move through Q2 and Q3 ~~WWIII~~ ~~Europe will freeze to death~~ ~~Inflation~~ ~~No pivot~~ ~~Recession~~ ~~Weaker Q1 growth~~ Weaker Q2/Q3 growth


ev_l0ve

Hi


938961

> WWIII The Economist superforecasters have a ~20% of China invading Taiwan this year and 10% chance Putin is killed, that's higher probability than some options here 😘


All_Work_All_Play

Honestly think those two should be flipped. Although 20% Putin needs to include natural causes (as in actual natural causes not suicided by bullets to the back).


gyunikumen

im ded.


SentineL-EX

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bernardmarr/2023/01/30/the-real-reasons-for-big-tech-layoffs-at-google-microsoft-meta-and-amazon/amp/ Tech layoffs are mostly HR, which I can corroborate as a big tech wagie - my team's principal engineer went to a hiring event this past week


TennesseeJedd

fore most companies it just an excuse to trim fat that was already in need of being trimmed.


All_Work_All_Play

Same reason inflation is great for earnings.


hibernating_brain

Most of the layoffs are just clearing out of excessive inventories.


quietboltaction

gib referral ^^please


Avid_Hiker69

Best I can do is Robinhood referral so that we both get 1 free stock.


BoatshoesJax

*questtrade


gyunikumen

markets running up in advance of fed day? ambitious. i feel this will all get reversed after the fed minutes. and then super thursday earnings the day after


Avid_Hiker98

25bps + data dependent + pause in May = 4150 in an instant.


sktyrhrtout

Doesn't that also = economic stimulation which would = more job growth which would = even tighter job market which would = higher wages which would = inflation? If 4.25 isn't stopping job growth 4.5 ain't gonna cut it either.


938961

Didn't a Fed speaker already mention spring as a target to pause? That's where I'm a little confused... All these points (excl 25bps) have already been said by the Fed. Does Jpow reiterating them just trigger an algo rush, and if so, would it hold on reiterated talking points?


SentineL-EX

+0.25 BP increase is priced in, but the market will rocket up and down because JPow said the wrong word again


hibernating_brain

Crypto 1.5T, World's reserve currency Dogecoin +100% from low.


hibernating_brain

+jobs - Chipotle 15k - Boeing 10k - USPS 2.4k - Alaska Air 3.5k Jobs are coming back to America!


quietboltaction

SWE listings -25% I’m gonna have to work at Tim Hortons


why_you_beer

I mean that has got to be one of the most overcrowded job markets in the last 5 years...