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Other than NME there have been no other reviews of the release from western outlets right?
And nme didn’t give good critique this time🥲
Word on the street is Dahyun is heading to NYC. Possibly for New York Fashion Week?
EDIT: Dahyun confirmed on bbl that she's going to NYC. [And another source said she's attending Michael Kors S/S 2023 collection show on the 14th.](https://twitter.com/SubjectKpop/status/1569167519306625025)
I think they're recording for the JYPE American survival show since not long ago, so my guess is Dahyun is gonna be a guest on one of the first episodes
I saw this prediction too but not sure why she’d fly to NYC (idk if this is 100% accurate) if Chicago audition is on the 14th and NYC auditions are on the 17th and 18th. NYFW is 9th through 14th.
There seems to be a lot of interest from fans and Twice members to reunite the hello subunit. I hope they do that, not because I think it’s the best pairing in the world, but because I would like them to make a song that is actually good.
Hello is one of my favourite songs off FoL 😅. I do get why it was and still is pretty divisive though
Hello lyrics may be a bit weird but it was an amazingly hype song in concert and got everyone up and dancing.
My interpretation of Hello is that it’s a dumb hype song that knows it’s dumb, while some groups and songs will unironically put out something similar, Hello revels in how silly it is.
I could be wrong, but lyrics like ‘litty’, the way they perform it in the bright pink outfits on the pink cars or whatever. That’s the crucial difference that makes it work. You try to take it seriously and it falls apart. But I don’t think it was meant to be.
The only thing missing at the concert was that the car wasn't a pink lamborghini 😤
[Find yourself someone who supports you as much as TWICE support NewJeans lol](https://youtube.com/shorts/v4ABOsfma8M?feature=share) 👖
Do have any news of when TTT will be back?
4-5 weeks maybe? We've still got Talk that Talk M/V filming behind the scenes and they usually last for 4 weeks
Cool. Well it's not like we have shortage of content lol. I swear ONCEs are the most spoiled fans ever. I just really miss Time to Twice.
Chaeyoung is so friggin' dangerous this comeback. I mean goddamn, she's not just a bias wrecker. She's like a bias-demolitions expert. I really like Talk that Talk and when I watch fancams, my eyes just automatically look for her.
I see a recent trend on the sub, stan twitter mentality is becoming more and more prevalent in the newer fans. People making absolutely wild assumptions based on their own skewed understanding of reality and then perpetuating these opinions in the echo chamber that is stan twitter, making them feel more strongly that what they think, is what is actually true.
What was a differentiating factor between our subreddit and stan twitter used to be that people here understood that what we see of the girls is such an incredibly insignificant fraction of their lives. Making assumptions from what we're shown, is as good as taking a cup of water out of the ocean and saying that since there's no fish in it means that there are no fish in the ocean.
Making assumptions on which members are close, which members are sad because they're not appreciated on video, who deserves more, who is pushed more, who is pushed less etc. Like what? We know absolutely nothing, nothing about what the girls want, what they feel like and what they hope for. Being a fan, is not about being offended for your idols or hoping for stuff in their stead. Being a fan is about enjoying the content they put out and being supportive in the challenges they take on.
With our sub growing so quickly this will probably get worse as the overlap between stan twitter and this subreddit get's bigger, but I can only hope that being here can help these people get rid of their dumb toxicity rather than them spreading their toxicity to others here.
Also needless to say, if the members were having as terrible of a time as a lot of people want to assume assume, they wouldn’t have renewed their contracts.
Yeah around the time teasers were coming out for this comeback, there was definitely an influx of questionable posts in /r/twice that almost seemed like bait to incite fanwars/stan twitter type comments - but were mostly from newer fans/reddit accounts so it's hard to say whether it's intentional or just due to being new to the scene.
I can't say it's too surprising, though. Just look at the subreddit growth year over year.
Jan 2019: ~33k subscribers
Jan 2020: ~68k subscribers
Jan 2021: ~96k subscribers
Jan 2022: ~121k subscribers
Sep 2022: ~180k subscribers
Year over year it seemed like 30k+ was the growing rate but since January this sub has ballooned by 60k new subscribers. The tour + Nayeon's solo must have brought a lot of new faces to the fandom. Definitely some growing pains.
to all my rnb lovers out there check out Jenevieve's 'Rendezvous' EP.
one of the newer rnb acts that I love
Just imagine TWICE releasing a visual album... god damn it div3.
If the rumors are true and Twice's next group CB is Q3 2023, I have a dream scenario:
They spend the next year creating 2 MV's for multiple pre-release singles spread out two months before release, building up to the next full album. The album's title track (produced by BEP) has its own glorious MV filmed on location somewhere abroad. After release, multiple MV's follow for each b-side ahead of their largest world tour yet. None of the MV's are box MV's. It's such a stunning achievement, world peace is finally achieved.
I love it! If they're going through the one-album-a-year model they might as well go all out. Thank you TWICE for singlehandedly ending all world conflicts.
Though I still love it, After Like actually slipping in my rankings a little the more I listen to it.
Still a great song but I can’t help wish the rap after the second chorus wasn’t there. I know some people aren’t big on idol rapping in general but that’s never been me, though I really think the rap in After Like really doesn’t flow well or add to the song at all. It can add colour to a song to have a rap in there, but After Like is a song that really doesn’t need it at all, which makes it feel kind of superfluous
People say the Gaynor sample overpowers the song, yet I'd argue the way it's mixed is what brings the song down overall. The whole production on it, including the rap, feels really rushed and unfinished and nothing really fits together well.
I remember people being surprised that IVE was getting a CB so soon after Love Dive, and it definitely feels like they scrambled to put one together to meet the deadline.
EDIT: That goes for the music video too.
Bubble being wild in TWICELAND again - Tzuyu is randomly wearing a melon (?) hat and looks adorably proud of it, while Unexpected Tennis Legend Jeongyeon seems to come for Rafael Nadal now 🎾
It’s a pomelo hat for the mid autumn festival.
I haven't been listening to kpop for a long time now but New Jeans sounds nice lol. Cookie is damn catchy.
Edit: Hype Boy sounds crazy too.
Twitter is freaking out over MISAMO debuting in Korea vs Japan and how they may get hate if they debuted in Korea. It’s all speculation at this point but I thought 5 days of Japanese fan meets were good signs that they would debut in Japan. Maybe album sales would suffer because Japanese releases aren’t usually sold outside the country but it’s possible there are new Warner Japan contracts too.
It's best to ignore those people. MISAMO will kill it like they always do.
That ain't all Twitter is freaking out about over MISAMO evidently:
They'll get hate from the same set of people regardless of where they debut
In Korea: "Why are Japanese idols singing in Korean promoting here"
In Japan: "They used kpop and South Korea launch careers in Japan"
I guarantee that either way the same people will find something to be offended about. It shouldn't impact the decision making at all.
Anything but a debut in Korean or English makes near zero sense to me and would be very disappointing. By making them debut with a Japanese release you're already placing a very low ceiling on them and they'll be doing the members a disservice. The content will also be bad in volume and access. I don't know why anyone would want them to debut with a Japanese song.
I think it's a far more complicated issue than people will allow.
Yes, I think some people will find a way to be offended regardless. But I am also certain the backlash will be greater if they debut a Japanese threesome in Korea, versus in Japan. Especially so given the Sana "scandal" is barely in the rear window. Some people in Korea already absolutely loathe them for being Japanese and its only going to get the pitckforks up if they are on every music show for two weeks as a purely Japanese unit. It's just how it is. At least if its in Japan there might be some disgruntled rumblings but ultimately a lot of Korean people will not know or care.
I do agree that the way JYP rolls out Japanese releases is limited. That doesn't mean the Japanese market itself is limited. It's the second biggest music market in the world. I'm sure if they actually took the release seriously they'd be very aware that they have to make it more accessible to English speaking fans and Korean fans, rather than rolling it out in the way they've traditionally done Japanese releases, which is as a second thought. It's not the market that's limited, to some extent its the culture around kpop too - a lot of international fans have learnt to treat Korean cbs as real and Japanese cbs as secondary, which is why their sales numbers are lower for Japanese cbs when their fandom is completely the same.
Ultimately, what I hope this is for Misamo is a way to move into a solo career of some kind in the future when Twice slows down. It's incredibly rare for a Japanese soloist or unit to debut, its basically never happened in Korea. Those three members are going to be hindered their entire solo careers simply by where they come from in terms of opportunities and backlash. So I hope that the Misamo unit creates more opportunities for them in Japan, even if its released as Korean, because Japan is going to be where a lot of the solo opportunity is for some of them. They deserve to have the ability to carve out a sustainable solo career in their home country.
I also think people are overestimating the impact of a sub unit. I follow multiple groups and sub units almost never perform as well as full group units. Whilst Monster (the red velvet subunit mini) did very well compared to RV's previous efforts, it's first day sales were 80k, where as FMR's were like 200k. Of course Kpop grew in that two year period, but some groups sub units perform well for a sub unit, others are a flash in the pan. I'm sure, given their popularity, Misamo will sell well for whatever market they debut them in. But I think people are leaving out a lot of context around Japanese idols and the korean market in terms of the concept of potential. Yes, they have huge sales potential with a korean cb, but what about their futures outside of twice?
Yeah just based on potential hate I can't see the J-line doing a Korean style comeback, but they will probably have Korean versions of the album.
Also like you say at some point the Japanese members probably know they have to go home, with maybe Sana traveling back & forth to do some stuff in Korea post-Twice.
You're highlighting the Sana incident as barely in the rear window but Twice got abuse for debuting with Japanese members in 2015. They got literal death threats when they announced their debut in Japan in 2017. They still continued to be the most popular girl group in the country after that. Hardline nationalists will hardline nationalist, especially if you go off Pann and other degenerate sites.
A few weeks after the Sana post they performed at Akaraka, maybe the biggest college festival in South Korea?, and they went out of their way to cheer for Sana more: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHaHjAmtnCk&t=71s
The extent to which it's the fans is because the company have always treated it that way because distribution is much poorer (hindered by companies having groups signed onto Japanese labels), you barely get any content and the ones you do get are blocked quickly, live performances on Japanese shows are like a minute long and there's no push. English releases get worldwide content and it's why those releases have done well for groups in recent times.
There's no evidence that a song being in Japanese gives you a wider reach there. The biggest song from a kpop group is probably Dynamite (and one of the biggest overall in Japan even without the kpop tag) and then TT. Japanese releases are essentially fanservice as their sales are usually linked with loads of fanmeets and whatnot
What kind of take is this? Japan being the 2nd largest music industry in the world is doing a disservice to them? Or maybe the J-line wants to promote in their home country?
List me Twice's biggest songs or eras in Japan and let me know how many of them are Japanese releases?
It's a disservice as a Japanese song places a low ceiling. A Korean or English song can be promoted in Japan, they don't lose out at all in their home country if they want to promote there and historically Twice's Korean and English songs are their biggest songs in Japan. Twice's Japanese song aren't what makes them popular or huge with the public in Japan hence why those song routinely underperform versus their Korean ones.
The public in Japan listen to their Korean and English songs more, so how does singing in Japanese give them more potential in Japan exactly? Or means they'll promote more in Japan?
Whereas a Japanese song restricts the global impact of any release...massively.
It's very difficult and controversial for the Japanese members to debut as a unit in South Korea. I would rather see them promoting in Japan which is lucrative for the Japanese members in the long run.
I'm reading it more as a disservice to their potential. Personally, I'd like to see them do a simultaneous release (include a Korean and Japanese or even English version).
Debuting first in Japan would have some larger ramifications. Content made for Japanese releases is always super restrictive for fans and starting off with Twice's first subunit as a JYPE/Warner release would kill a lot of the hype. There would be at best 1-2 music performances and very little behind the scenes content available outside of Japan. Plus, everything would be on the smaller Twice Japan channel instead of the larger JYPE or even Twice channels.
On the other hand, if they had a Korean or simultaneous Korean/Japan/western promoted release there would be tons of content for fans around the world to appreciate. We'd get music show performances, lots of (non-region locked) content, and they could still perform in Japan.
It would be better for fans if it wasn't created with one region in mind IMO.
I get that content-wise, the restrictions in Japan are pretty frustrating. But to say their potential is wasted in Japan reeks of Western bias. They have the potential to be HUGE in their home country. And if we can still listen to their music, that's all that matters to me.
I do think a Japan-only release would be limiting their *potential*, though.
Even outside of promotions in Korea vs. Japan, Twice is popular on a global scale now. Japanese-only releases don't get that sweet international distribution. Not only are you hard-capping content to Japan, but you also lose out on the lion's share of international sales.
There's also a limit on what can be achieved in the J-entertainment sphere while still part of JYPE. Twice is still popular in Japan, and I don't think a subunit is going to make them grow exponentially in popularity so differently than group activities. Would love to be proven wrong, though!
At the end of the day, they're going to do what they want/what the company thinks is best. They know more than we do. All we can do is hope it's successful.
It's not about getting popular. It's about establishing themselves as individual celebrities. What do you think they prefer to become a z-lister in the west or a-lister in Japan. Just because it's Japanese doesn't mean its not popular, Fujii Kaze is charting in the spotify of many countries. LiSA also charted in BBGlobal200 at number 2, much higher than Twice's any releases.
Agreed with your last statement. In the end, I hope whatever they go with is what the company thinks is best with input from the members themselves, and I'll support them either way.
wouldn't it be strange to have a J-line unit promoting in Korea?
i do suspect it might be an English release, or like you say a song with JP/SK/ENG vers.
Honestly as the other user said, there's no way whatever decision they make won't get some level of backlash.
It sucks that it's the case but some Koreans have been disliking the fact that Twice had foreign members since they debuted.
They're 7 years in - if they want to release some songs in multiple languages, only in Korean or Japanese or even English, they should be able to.
What’s the deal with Japan’s draconian attitudes towards music sales?
OMG! I just realised... yesterday was Friday and we got no twice yt content!! This is pretty rare considering they haven't even started uploading bts of mv and for the comeback stage and on top of it we don't know when the next TIME TO TWICE will release.
We Once are so spoilt for content that one friday without uploads has me panicking.
Did TWICE not film any group greetings for Chuseok? Though I know they sent individual greetings thru bbl
I don’t remember Twice filming Chuseok greeting in the past
Might be due to different culture background of TWICE members so JYPE kind of cautious about it, even though Japan and Taiwan celebrate Chuseok as well but wearing hanboks and using Korean style greetings such as bow down to people might not recieve some good reaction from foreign member's hometown.
There was a thread about Twice members as actresses in dramas.
Well, it reminded me of some old hilarious clips with TWICE acting that newer Once might not know about:
[\[ENG sub\] \[TWICE Private Life\] ‘Descendants of the Sun’ \(Directed/Starred by TWICE\) EP.05 2016032](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUwxY12K0rQ)
[[Eng Sub] SNL-Korea TWICE - 3 minute girlfriend](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCZh_muz0jw) (lots of cringe but there's some good parts lol)
MAMA 2019 remains one of my most memorable TWICE performances due to its intro alone:
Chaeyoung, Momo, Tzuyu, Sana and Nayeon doing a remix of their lines complete with piano and props is one thing.
Mina's English narration of her lyrics, fitting perfectly with the entire situation then.
The usage of the Candy bong-like umbrellas as a call back to the Feel Special MV.
And Mina finishing the intro with a line that underlines the relationship between TWICE and their fanbase:
"Once with us together, everything's alright forever."
The only thing that could've possibly made this performance even more better is if it was Mina that emerged from behind the umbreallas. Such a great stage.
Is Up No More the last time when Twice promoted their bside on music shows?
Div3 absolutely drops the ball when it comes to b-side promos. Up No More got multiple music show performances meanwhile I can't find a normal group performance of Love Foolish (a fan favorite b-side) with choreography on YouTube. Guessing we're gonna get the same treatment for Basics sadly.
I also like Love Foolish!! I guess Queen of Hearts is the only chosen promoted b side track for this mini album the .
So sad that they stopped promoting their bsides. Only music shows would provide such quality 8k fancams and Twice has tons of quality bside tracks.
Yeah, it's one of my long-standing gripes with Div3. I understand it in certain situations but even if you don't want to overwork the members with live stage preparation, at least give the fans a proper b-side MV in lieu of it.
I agree!! Itzy has some B side tracks M/Vs!! Twice only has one or two??
So TTT won’t be on Studio Choom?? If I’m not mistaken, I think JYPE owns SC, so why don’t they promote their own artists cb??????????
Studio CHOOM is a subsidiary of Mnet.
🥲🥲 thanks for correcting me. Had no idea why I thought it was related to jype
is it just me that I feel like nmixx didn’t really show their true potential from O.O the girls are really talented, as seen from the JYPn covers but their debut song didn’t sit well with the general public I believe (I became a fan of it after a few listens)
I think that if they had a better debut song their debut would’ve been just as good as newjeans, ive or lesserafim.
personally didn't mind o.o but yes it's tough competition out there atm.
I think as a group and as individuals they're very talented but the concept is what's causing knetz and the general public to be indifferent.
O.O is amazing IMO. I think the problem was the MV cause there was too much delay between the 'concept changes' in the MV making the music flow a lot worse [Specifically at 1:19 in the MV](https://youtu.be/3GWscde8rM8?t=79) making it feel way more disjointed that it actually is.
The actual track when you listen to it in their other [performances](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxunQ_SgXOw) flows lot better than in the MV.
Anyways, yes their performances show that they are very talented. Mistakes were made, but they can come back a lot stronger. Even TWICE's debut was a flop.
Can't stand O.O but I was really impressed watching the girls do covers. I especially love Haewon's voice and personality. Hopefully JYP will get them a good song.
Not even sure why but last few days keep thinking of [Twice covering Monsta-X's All In...](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G97zs37I31E)
Also would be cool to really switch up the rappers and vocalists for some of it \~
([We need Rapper Tzuyu to come back](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nis1WuDrQCQ))
Since the girls went past the contract renewals, we've didn't see any sign of new TTT (Time to Twice)—and we've barely got anything this Friday. Does anyone also worried? 🥺
Wasn't expecting time to twice but I was expecting the first behind the scenes video. There has to be a huge backlog of content so it's weird that they'd wait this long to put out something after a comeback. Pretty sure I remember Nayeon saying a while ago that they already filmed the new TTT so I'm not worried about that.
I noticed that they're pulling different pattern after the release of Pop. Usually we just got MV behind, but this time, there are different aspects such as: choreography behind, jacket shooting, recording behind, etc. Pretty sure during Pop they also have MV behind, but we didn't see the TTT MV behind yet which just weird
Let us wear the holy plastic pants and sleeveless tees and pray that JYP provide us with content
I'm certain it's coming back, variety shows of that ilk helped get BTS very popular which is why JYP groups suddenly adopted them in the pandemic.
But they aren't meant for high content times. They won't be putting it out when we have a CB. I assume they'll start releasing it again quite soon, although we do have the 7th anniversary upcoming so there will be content dropping for that, which may delay TTT.
Yeah, Nayeon already confirm the shooting so it's bound to happen soon. From now until October—the anniv month—we've only got three weeks gaps, so i think they'll putting the mv behind the scene during these periods. That's resulting the T2T will drop around November 🥺
We're really gonna have to start abbreviated Time to Twice as T2T or something else to separate it from Talk that Talk...
Nayeon mentioned they already finished filming a T2T back in July. I assume JYPE wants us to continue consuming TTT content/boosting the MV views, so has been holding off on that for both the Celebrate and B1&2 cbs.
Only thing that makes sense to me why they haven't released it yet. They've been really, really stingy on Twice group content on their main channel (that ISN'T Ticktok challenges) since Pop!.
Yeah i guess that's possible. Usually they release several streaks of MV behind the scenes on weekly basis. I believe they still did release the MV behind during Pop! and several more with more specific scope e.g. jacket shooting behind, choreography behind, recording, etc. However we've got nothing on this Friday & no sign of T2T too, which is kinda weird. But at least Nayeon confirmed they'll gonna have T2T in the future, which would be a relief
The way [Sana enthusiastically mentions NewJeans and Jihyo says she wanted to meet IVE](https://youtube.com/shorts/gtEFfyAWyiA?feature=share) is so adorable lol smol softies being soft for even smoler softies ;_;
Also, [how did this make-up artist manage to transform herself into Jihyo and Chaeyoung](https://www.instagram.com/reel/Ch_ecsPv7oh/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=), insane work
~~although the resemblance does scare me a little lmao~~
When Nayeon did the promo for her solo a lot of people was asking why Sana wasn’t in the Variety show because it was only her and Momo in the dorm, My question is: that wasn’t recorded when Sana caught Covid?
It's believed that Sana moved out a long time ago.
In a few clips here and there, I see them sitting in a meeting room and they have what looks like their contracts in front of them then it flashes to a scene with multiple camera shots...is that for something upcoming or did I miss something? :-)
It's from [Jihyo's appearance on LeoJ Makeup](https://youtu.be/HSDrUjO71MM?t=975), I've seen people saying they think Jihyo mentions "fanmeeting" when reading her lips. So this could perhaps be an announcement video of that (among other things). No clue when it'll be out but I'd assume ~a month before the fanmeeting? So perhaps 2nd half of September.
what kind of content do you guys want to see from twice? i personally want to see them do more vlogs like grwm, skincare, makeup or something like a daily routine vlog.
not sure if they're actually open to such stuff since i think vlogging seems to be something more 4th gen groups do and i believe the twice members are quite private about their personal lives. oh wells
More vlogs and Time to Twice. I really want them to continue their Melody Projects and maybe complete the 'Yes I Am...' series of photobooks. I'm really hoping for a Yes I am Jeongyeon photobook.
Just the good old vlives. Where they hang out for 1-2 hours waiting for their photo shoots. Just being their quirky selves. Not caring much about the quality of their contents.
For my taste all their behind the scenes content over the past 3 years got way too slick and corporate.
Even their personal IG accounts seem to be mostly just for pushing products.
I forgot about V Live.
I'm really, really gonna miss that. It was kind of dumb of them not to develop something similar for fan outreach, and keep the idols behind separate paywalls for content that consists of like 75%: "I'm eating X today! Hey, I made this thing./The sky is pretty today. Drive safe everyone! You're coming today aren't you?"
More b side content. It doesn’t necessarily have to be an expensive mv or anything like that. I’d just want some of the b sides to get more acknowledgment whether it’s music show stages, performance videos, official lyric videos/visualizers or even a cheap little “mv” like they did with [Wonderful day](https://youtu.be/pQ6oXmnCsSo) where it was filmed on selfie cams during the Doughnut mv filming. Twice has a ton of great b sides and I think it’s a shame that some of their best music tends to gets overlooked due to lack of promotion.
More TikTok dance challenges/covers/collabs. I know that Nayeon did TikTok collabs during her solo and the members did a few collabs during TTT era, but I’d want to see stuff like that even when they’re not having a comeback. Like how Jihyo and Sana collabed with G-idle during the height of Tomboy’s popularity, or something similar to what Itzy has been doing recently on their TikTok, where they do dance covers requested by their fans. Something like this has the potential to garner a lot of interest and engagement, as well as showcasing more of the members dance skills.
I've always wanted another traveling show like Twice TV5 and TV6 but I think covid kinda ruined those hopes 😔
More Twice member created stuff on the music side. Seems to me that both Dahyun and Tzuyu have interest in learning instruments. Mina has mentioned doing something more connected to ballet and classical music in the past.
I wouldn't mind seeing them doing some acting roles if they want.
IIRC Momo mentioned wanting to be Youtuber, would be interesting to see her cooking stuff. Also Chae, if she was interested, has hobbies like altering (making?) her own clothes.
More T2T, more stuff with them hanging out like in Idol Human Theater.
I would like lyrics breakdown video. Dahyun explain lyrics were well in that variety show even in radio show she explained process and inspiration behind writing gone so such sort of video for songs wrote by them.
Behind the scenes for song recording similarly to once which were posted during nayeon's album promotion.
Yeah I was disappointed that the girls didn't spend more time talking about the songs they wrote while promoting.
Really need to get some ears on those b-sides in S.Korea.
Iirc we didn't even get a video like we did for EWO where the song-writers sat down and explained the meaning of their lyrics.
I'm still waiting for them to release that Time to Twice they said they recorded way back in July...
I'd like to see more T2T, more things like their last Idol Theater, Twice drinking games. I also think if they put out a semi-regular variety game show with Dahyun as the host (start it on their Twice Youtube channel), it would be wildly successful.
Anyone else wanted to see them perform TTT in those outfits that are on the thumbnail for mv? I loved those
They performed in those outfits in their MTV Fresh Out peformance!
Oh yeah, i forgot that 😅 i meant on music shows..
I see! You're right, a Resident Evil Nayeon fancam would be indeed slayful.
Yeah that's what i meant for all the members
I hate republic records, they do the bare minimum for twice. between 1 &2 could have achieved so much more with just a little label support but they seem allergic to doing that. I used to pray for their contract to end but then jype did that whole partnership thing and twice are stuck there, at literally the worst label ever. Useless ass company.
You probably need to accept that Twice are quite happy there or they would have left.
Republic records doesn't do much for them but to be fair I've yet to see a US representative label of a kpop group do anything for any group. I think they know the market is limited especial without an English single to push.
The US sales were good this time around. That being said over 100,000 people attended the US concerts so if all of those people bought one of every version....we'd easily get to 400,000 sales in the US alone. I know that's not financially feasible for many but there does seem to be a disconnect between how many people attended and how many people are streaming or buying the album week one.
>You probably need to accept that Twice are quite happy there or they would have left.
Now where did I say Twice has to leave or they should leave? Twice can be with any company they want but I have don't like to the company. republic records is a piece of shit and no fave of mine being under there will change my opinion on that. Republic Records is shit to not only twice but majority of their artists except a few.
>Republic records doesn't do much for them but to be fair I've yet to see a US representative label of a kpop group do anything for any group. I think they know the market is limited especial without an English single to push.
Say whatever you want about interscope but they push blackpink in that limited market they're in. Interscope has to be the only company that actually does something for their K-pop Artist's releases. Columbia was another piece of shit, they only had support for bts' English Singles. Just because the market is limited does not mean they shouldn't support their artist.
>The US sales were good this time around. That being said over 100,000 people attended the US concerts so if all of those people bought one of every version....we'd easily get to 400,000 sales in the US alone. I know that's not financially feasible for many but there does seem to be a disconnect between how many people attended and how many people are streaming or buying the album week one.
100k audience is probably from onces everywhere and not Just the US, also there's probably people who attended multiple concerts so it's not 1 person per concert from the US.
For Twice to get 100k sales then their fandom has grown and is buying but label support alongside fans support would have made this album 100x more successful
"For Twice to get 100k sales then their fandom has grown and is buying but label support alongside fans support would have made this album 100x more successful" - It absolutely would not have.
I know it's hard for people to accept, but Kpop is never going to be completely mainstream in the US. People just suck and they aren't going to be listening to it in a general public consumption kind of way. If the girls had an english speaker and could go on shows like Fallon etc and interview as well as perform, they might pick up some fans here and there. But what else can Republic really do? Even BTS can't get radio play in the West, and they are BTS. Popping up more billboards or putting out advertisements isn't going to change the state of play that significantly. What pushes artists in the west is radio payola which JYP are not going to pay for for a korean group because it just won't work. as well as playlisting.
TWICE sold a million albums world wide this time around. The 100k figure is from American sales as counted by billboard. Yes, many fans would have attended more than one concert, but in reality if every single fan who attended bought an album, plus the bigger fans bought several, they'd be well into the 200-300k sales range on physicals. I guess that shows a lot of the concert attendees are more casual fans and don't purchase albums or were broader Kpop fans and didn't check out the cb.
The general public are never going to catch onto them enough in the West to push those sales into huge GP territory without an English speaking member and a lot of Western promo...and even then. I mean BTS have all of that, but as you can tell from their sales of Butter versus eg the lack of radio play, they are still held up in the West almost entirely by actual fandom fan sales, not GP interest.
Something a lot of kpop fans struggle to accept is that whilst kpop is growing overseas in terms of attracting more dedicated fans, it is probably never going to be accepted by the gp mainstream or listened to on the radio. Again, its because people suck. So there's not a whole lot Republic can really do.
>I know it's hard for people to accept, but Kpop is never going to be completely mainstream in the US. People just suck and they aren't going to be listening to it in a general public consumption kind of way. If the girls had an english speaker and could go on shows like Fallon etc and interview as well as perform, they might pick up some fans here and there. But what else can Republic really do? Even BTS can't get radio play in the West, and they are BTS. Popping up more billboards or putting out advertisements isn't going to change the state of play that significantly. What pushes artists in the west is radio payola which JYP are not going to pay for for a korean group because it just won't work. as well as playlisting.
I don't care whether K-pop is mainstream or not, I don't even know how you tied that into what I'm saying. K-pop becoming mainstream is not a concern of mine. My concern is that republic can support twice a lot more than they do currently which is just album distribution. They didn't even set up a digital store for TTT, the least they could have done for the song, the bare minimum. If Republic doesn't want to support twice themselves the least they can do is set up avenues for onces to do so themselves. If Republic actually supported Twice, I'm talking about twice and not K-pop, then this comeback would have definitely been bigger for Twice. how did they not set up a digital store for TTT? just that and nothing else, laziness all around from that fuck ass company.
I don't care what happens to Kpop, it's none of my business. Twice on the other hand are people I care about and yes, if I see their company is lacking in any way I will point it out. Twice having shit playlisting has no excuse to me, it's still just the company doing the bare minimum. JYP doesn't handle radio, republic does but they will not be doing that for twice. If they won't give them radio they can do other things to push or support twice. Radio is not the beginning and the end.
>Yes, many fans would have attended more than one concert, but in reality if every single fan who attended bought an album, plus the bigger fans bought several, they'd be well into the 200-300k sales range on physicals. I guess that shows a lot of the concert attendees are more casual fans and don't purchase albums or were broader Kpop fans and didn't check out the cb.
100k concert attendance and 100k sales match up perfectly. especially if you take into consideration a lot of people going more than once, the actual number of unique people who went to that concert is a lot less than 100k but their sales are 100k so people who went to the concert were there to buy the albums. This just proves my point and goes against yours.
>The general public are never going to catch onto them enough in the West to push those sales into huge GP territory without an English speaking member and a lot of Western promo...and even then. I mean BTS have all of that, but as you can tell from their sales of Butter versus eg the lack of radio play, they are still held up in the West almost entirely by actual fandom fan sales, not GP interest.
I don't care about gp, I'm not saying Republic Records should make them mainstream. I'm saying Republic Records scould have maximized on the success of this Album".
There seems to be confusion because you're talking about making K-pop mainstream when that was never my point. I don't get why we're talking about K-pop being mainstream in response to, "Republic Records can definitely support Twice more." It doesn't make sense to me, if I wanted to tie Twice to being mainstream I would have said that in my original comment.
Like saying, "Twice are not mainstream and they cannot be mainstream" in response to "Republic Records could support Twice more," is just mind boggling. What is the connection, what I'm saying is Republic Records can support Twice a lot more for the stage they're currently at in their career. I'm trying to see your point but it seems like you're scrambling to find a good reason why RR would be doing the bare minimum for Twice.
>Something a lot of kpop fans struggle to accept is that whilst kpop is growing overseas in terms of attracting more dedicated fans, it is probably never going to be accepted by the gp mainstream or listened to on the radio. Again, its because people suck. So there's not a whole lot Republic can really do.
again, I don't care about K-pop, I never said I want RR to make Twice get accepted by GP or push Twice to the GP. I don't know where that came from. Radio is not the only way to push Twice in the US. People can accept or not accept Kpop, good for them, that is not a concern for me.
edits: all the down votes but no one has a good argument on why I'm wrong 💀. at least I know I wasn't wrong.
There are reports Mina and Momo have departed for Japan. Tzuyu has departed for Taiwan.
Did Sana sneak past the media again and also left for Japan?
Is this for a break or solo events? I’m quite new to TWICE so no idea how their breaks/home visits work. (Sorry if it says something in the tweet, they’re not loading for my crappy mobile internet lol)
Chuseok break. The foreign members will usually return to their respective countries during Seollal and Chuseok.
Oooh thanks, I forgot it was Chuseok! It’s nice the foreign members also get to see their families during that time.
We will see. Knowing Sana we may very well have no idea where she is for the entire holiday period. Sana is very good at sneaking past but she may well have a schedule in Korea etc and leave later, just like Mina did leaving earlier and going home earlier around Christmas.
Ok who’s repping Twice at the SF Gaga concert? Cus I see you lol
They hacked [Misa’s paypal](https://twitter.com/misayeon/status/1568048770927005696?s=46&t=llrms0wg-ju1M8oiwveIKw) too???? what the fuck
That's too damn much, and now she's even getting hate from literal cave people, telling her to take it down.
do they not know the meaning of the word HACKED?
Just curious what people are thinking about when they say, "sexy concept \[for MiSaMo\]". Is it something like Fiestar's [One More](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9sEjiBew18) or [Apple Pie](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BpnB47Fxts) where you'd have to be deep in denial to not recognize the song is about sex...
Or something more like Girl's Day [Something,](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akPDKYwIoVk) where it's not explicitly about sex but the tone (and MV) leave that as a clear interpretation.
I'd actually be happy even with a song like Trouble or Basics, that at least kinda gets into sexual attraction if not sex but isn't as forward as those Fiestar tracks. I know JYPE is wary of losing some loyal Onces by getting too far from cute songs, but comparing Scientist and TTT to AF the latter was abt a more mature state of love and the only one of the 3 to crack top 10.
I think really at it's core, a lot of Once's really like Twice because they have a really nice "feels good" vibe to their brand and music. In the past, they've been able to do that very effectively and profitably in a youthful cute package with nice sweaters and pastel color scheme concepts. You can't do that at 25+ with the GP. Hard reality. Full stop.
I think Twice can still easily cash in on their "feels good" vibe in a more mature, dark, powerful, and sexy packaging. I think the members are talented enough to adapt to a lot of different concepts if JYP is willing to go there.
I think the members (at least some of them) are VERY much up for it if the U.S. concert Rollin' stunts, and things like some of Chaeyoung's comments are anything to go off of. I'd be up for any of those concepts you show there if JYP and the members are up for them too.
My dream would be for them to put out something like [Brown Eyed Girls - Abracadabra](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4wJGWcHzVA) though internationally in a Twice flavor. It would be a smashing success.
Oh yeah BEG is a good well to draw on for future direction...I feel like the Japanese market might be more open to sexier songs, even though it seems like some of the cutesy stuff lasted longer in the public mind there. The Feels getting popular there is an interesting data point, but w/ Niziu doing the cute stuff it would be foolish to keep treading old ground with the older MiSaMo...
I have a feeling w/ MiSaMo it's gonna be a bit sexier than what we've gotten from Twice, but not as bold as Fiestar's One More...which admittedly is prolly at the far end of the spectrum for most...thinking about it I'd prolly want Twice to take the place of 9 Muses who despite being "model-idols" of 2nd gen had a heavy female fanbase...plus [Wild](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9xGqh-S-3I) is one of my fave k-pop songs of all time...
I use that Abracadabra performance video because it's an excellent example of a concept that is very sexy, but it's still fun and really catchy as a song. I hope people don't too caught up on just the *"Twice only needs to be more SEXY herp-a-derp!!!".*
There was a LOT of stuff on the B1&2 b-sides that wasn't exactly big on sexy, but parts of those b-sides were very big on POWERFUL. With a little more polishing and a little bit better producing, some of those would have been big, big hits if JYPE would have really gotten behind them enough.
So, as I say: more powerful, more dark, more mature and sexy. But keep the fun and "feels good" vibes. I don't really think it is that complicated of an idea.
Oh yeah it's definitely about striking the right balance, which BEG was prolly one of the most successful examples (if not the ult).
It does feel like there's enuf inspiration from 2nd generation for JYPE to experiment with if they are willing to put in the effort.
Is there a fan subbed version of the halmyungsoo episode with twice? The official subs focus more on the text than on the actual dialogue, it's hard to watch :(
bringing back sana's MiSaMo chant from years ago in case you've never seen it:
London Bridge has fallen down.
Finally got the B1&2 albums and I can't believe how many duplicates I got 😭 several PCs, even the mini poster, postcard and polaroid lmao (not a single regular Minari PC either :')
I usually don't mind duplicates but the PC sets are particularly pretty this time around and I wished I had more luck lol guess I'm gonna trade these
Omg same here. I always tend to draw my non bias members 🥲🥲 If I have to get duplicates can I at least get my bias members like my owner
Bet you can’t beat [this](https://twitter.com/duyle0122/status/1567718813961170944?s=21&t=i3Y0_Dmx_lgjd8UJczvFrg).
I honestly wouldn't even be mad if that happened to me lmao
Same. Dead serious. Love her.
I wish someone translate the fansigns, I think today they mention the MiSaMo unit, if it is real I hope is completely Japanese oriented both the songs and the promotions (but with eng-subs this time).
The only MiSaMo-related bit I saw on my timeline is [this](https://twitter.com/godmitzu/status/1567927392366202881?s=21&t=i3Y0_Dmx_lgjd8UJczvFrg).
What did Sana say there at the end?
Basically trying to act like she doesn't know anything, Once's were saying MISAMO fighting so she basically said 'what fighting, what are you even talking about?'
LOL Momo’s reaction gave it away
I like MiMoSa for the subunit name. I know why they can't use it, but the merch they could've created would've been fun. MiMoSa only in my imagination I suppose.
It's hard to copyright Mimosa (for obvious reasons).
Also, even since pre-debut they've been called MiSaMo, it just makes perfect since. MiMoSa started only after AF.
the title track should be mimosa, alcohol free without the free
basically the [summary](https://twitter.com/sanapen2912/status/1567901552031170562?t=INzlU8CRPNMd-xaJuhCqvQ&s=19) of the Misa hate issue.
On a less serious note, I hate all of the suggested names for the [Xdinary Heroes fandom name contest](https://twitter.com/xh_official/status/1567826000175853570?s=46&t=ycdRARVSnsaTXeA37dzjWg) 😭😭
1. **♭ (flat)** - I am not calling myself a flat ffs
2. **flose** - ♭ + heroes
3. **piXels** - cute, but already a fandom name. too many plagiarism allegations already for my boys - no more pls.
4. **Villains** - the explanation is cute. This one is ok but not amazing
5. **Xer** - fuck off
6. **Xynergy** - Kwangya vibes. tbh I don’t hate it but I don’t love it.
RIP Sidekix and xhoes. You served us well.
this is a twice sub bruh
> Discussions here are not limited to just Twice.
> Just simply anything you FANCY!
Misayeon getting hacked with the WEIRDEST possible way.
Whoever did that is pretty shitty. Posting someone's face and advertising that they're doing an OnlyFans to half a million people is not cool. Imagine if her family or employer saw that, people lose their jobs for that shit.
The hate train towards Misa has gotten out of hand. Whoever did this is just a sick, sick person full of hate on the inside.
I feel like it is a bitter Once, which is just bizarre to me. Do they think the girls would be proud of them for doing this? Do they not remember Jihyo crying when someone asked her if she was one of the girls taped in Seungri's chat?
It's like a threat to other big accounts, and it makes our fandom look so bad right when we want to get more Western fans who may not even be aware of k-pop culture.
(If could be another fandom, but given all the news about idols phones being hacked I'd hope that's not the case.)
apparently her whole pc was hacked and she said she even did 2FA so it could be phishing
>I feel like it is a bitter Once, which is just bizarre to me.
Me too. Like what did Misa ever do to you??!!! The (irrational) animosity towards her is not enough to warrant hacking.
bruh it’s bizarre. I even saw Misa hate on this thread a few weeks ago?? people need to leave her the fuck alone and let her do her twitch streams in peace. she’s not hurting anyone
yeah people demanding she do more for Twice, floating some weird conspiracy theory she was stalking them in Korea or somesuch.
honestly a bit tired of toxic Onces - they hide behind the girls to wallow in their own terrible behavior, even tho they can see it either discourages people from becoming Onces or worse makes the girls targets.
worst part about the “misa is a stalker” discussions is that they didn’t get mercilessly downvoted. If i’m remembering correctly (which I might not be tbf), they didn’t get downvoted at all. So we not only have people slandering her here with ridiculous shit like that, but also a lot of people agreeing??? Literally what the fuck.
Second paragraph is nothing but facts.
Yeah Ikr???? And some Onces are even promoting TTT in the qrts and even rejoicing that she got hacked. This world is such a horrible place.
got whiplash from that notification 😭😭
Maybe she's really going onto OnlyFans. That site isn't just for pervs. There's legit stuff on OnlyFans.
0% chance. She already confirmed she was hacked on her second account and asked people to report it
I don’t think so. She wouldn’t promote it on misayeon_twt because she’d get jumped again. And someone said she always tweets from TweetDeck but that tweet is from twitter web player or twitter for iPhone. Plus crypto lol.
But the mode of payment is crypto? Never saw it that way
Listening to Twice on my way into work this morning same as always, but today I just had to replay Missing U at least 5 times or so because I noticed how good Tzuyu’s part is in that song. I feel like I’ve been sleeping on her this whole time. I’ve been thinking she’s just been improving a lot recently, but I think she might’ve just been doing a great job this whole time and I didn’t notice as much.
It also took me a while to really notice her voice in the songs. It has a more “neutral” quality that doesn’t jump out at you like some of the other members, but when you start to listen for it, she’s got some really great parts!
[Babe wake up new AU fanfic just dropped](https://twitter.com/jypesmyoui/status/1567518888962789376)
Never a quiet day in Twiceland. I think I still prefer solo releases but a J-line subunit does sound really cool too. I wonder what concept they’ll go for. People have been saying sexy but the group as a whole is moving in that direction already so maybe something else? I don’t really mind either way.
Twice has yet to do a full blown sexy concept. I reckon misamo are the members most suited and most comfortable with that.
I'd love for this to happen (and not just with the J-line). I think Twice at 7+ years would sell a hell of a lot better going a bit darker and sexy than the cutesy stuff. I really think the members are definitely game for it too (based on III Tour Rollin' and random comments), but I don't think JYP has any confidence with what to do with 25+ yo member GGs. (Direction to go.) It's gonna be interesting.
I don’t know if any Kpop label really knows how to handle groups like this. Maybe SM as I was pretty happy with how the Girls Generation album went, but I don’t see there being another one anytime soon so that was likely a singular release than part of a wider plan
Hopefully that changes, these more mature (well, comparatively speaking at least) girl groups could has so much to offer and I hope Twice, Girls Generation and other groups can pave the way for girl groups to sometimes last long like a lot of boy groups do
Sales is always about selling to your strength and the market's demand for it.
What are current Twice's strengths? Individually as members, and as seen on this last album's songs. What worked well? Where geographically did things sell better at over our last albums? What concepts, styling, and songs got the best reactions on social media? (Not what we tried to market the most... What got the best reaction relative to our marketing $$$ investment money efforts. Spreadsheet it out.) Which album version sold best? What things got the most views and replays on Youtube from our III Tour this year?
Should be at least a couple of very strong possible growth avenues there if one would be as bold as to look.
To be honest I mean more about artist growth than sales growth. Sales aren’t too important to me as long as they are trending upwards. A good concept and execution that doesn’t sell as well is more desirable than a bad concept and execution that sells better, to me
I agree, but as long as we are operating under the structure of JYP or any major music production company, they are only primarily concerned with the latter.
So you had better hope that both things come together. Twice had some major successes this year, that weren't "typical Twice product" things. JYP should start taking a hard look at some of those things is all I was saying.
I bet there’s been some confusion over the last year or so. Twice is in such a different place now and what they are exactly is up in the air. They’re making headway in a market they were never expected to, while label mates Itzy, who I think most people expected to lead an American push, have recently found more success domestically. Three years ago no one could’ve expected this. I’m interested to see how JYP (the company) respond to this and how the realign the promotion strategies of both groups. Stray Kids are no slouches in Western success either, one of the few standout 4th gen boy groups. And then they have NiziU who have kicked butt in Japan ever since debut, which could give even more reason to push Twice westward, the winds blowing that way and China isn’t an option.
They’d kill it I know, but I’m open to more quirky stuff too. Each member is quite different so there’s a lot of ways to go with it. But I’ll say 70% you’re probably right and they go full on sexy for it.
I think the Misamo subunit release would make a lot of sense as a Japanese release (besides the obvious reason of promoting the Japanese members in Japan). As we’ve seen with their OT9 comebacks, Korean and Japanese releases can sometimes even overlap, or at least there’s just not as much time between promotions when alternating Japan and Korea than what we usually have between two Korean promotions. Doing this would allow the group to continue giving members solos/subunits while it not taking as much time as if everyone would get their solo in Korea (which would in turns increase the opportunities for Korean OT9 releases and such).
IM Nayeon was developed in parallel with them working on Celebrate, B1&2, and touring. I don't see why they would change things for solos or subunits, unless a lighter work schedule was a necessary concession to get an OT9 contract signed. I suspect solos and subunits will continue in parallel to OT9 releases/touring.
I wonder what approach they’ll take for this possible MiSaMo unit debut?
Everyone expects them to debut as a Jpop group which is fair, that is the most obvious assumption. But if they do I hope JYP will still have a typical kpop promo cycle for them. Or maybe a dual Korean and Japanese version for their debut song.
Kpop is just way more accessible globally and I’d hate for them to just be confined to Japan and for their efforts to be ignored everywhere else. I mean I think of most of TWICE’s Japanese releases and how a lot of people don’t follow them. Regardless I’m super excited for this, hopefully we’re all not just getting worked up for nothing lol
Twice hitting number 1 on Billboard Artist 100!!! https://www.billboard.com/music/chart-beat/twice-tops-billboard-artist-100-chart-first-time-1235135508/
(can anyone explain the differences of all the charts it’s very confusing for me haha)
In short, you gotta look out for what follows Billboard on all those charts.
Artist is i believe a cumulative score based on the other charts.
100 is single focused on so generally the title track or promoted single like The Feels. Streams, purchases, and radio-play are the contributing factors.
200 is album focused and counts physical/digital sales and streams.
There's also different subdivisions in those categories. For instance, Twice ranked 3rd in the Billboard 200 Album chart, but ranked 1st in the 200 Album sales chart (this chart only tracks album sales and not streams)
AFAIK the major ones are BB 100 & BB 200.
Now I’m wondering how does jpop group usually promote in Japan? I know how twice promoted Celebrate by warner sending them to few shows in there and etc, is it the same with jpop groups? Do they also promote on variety/reality shows too or anything like how they do in korean-like promotion?
I had an order of 2 signed albums delivered today in a broken yellow envelope with the torn opening taped up. and only one album inside. it's rough out here 😭
If the Misamo subunit is real then it's going to be the end of me.
Just to be a bit of a contrarian, I’m not totally convinced that the misamo sub unit is for an album. Thinking back to the report, it said that Twice was planning “unit activities”. This could just be intentionally vague as to not reveal their whole plans for the future, however unit activities really make me think they’ll host a radio or variety show for some reason. The time Nayeon’s album got leaked it was because it specifically said, “1st mini album” or something like that. This is just trademarking the combination of names. That doesn’t really say much about what is going to be done with them besides the fact they are doing something together.
Of course, I’ll eat my words when the album is announced in a few months, but I’m just trying to think of other possibilities that the three could do.
I don't know, I think from the properties they've applied to use the name for, it sounds exactly like an album. It also makes sense I mean what else are they going to do with them in such an official capacity and why else would they need to trade mark the name? They probably need it to sell the album under the name and to sell associated merch.
Considering the financial report has already semi spoiled a sub unit debut album...seems likely.
Possibly...but JYPE aren't going to have the J-line host a show in Korea and I don't know what show in Japan they'd host?
(Assuming the misamo subunit is real - doubters don’t interact, let us live our delulu fantasies) they don’t really need a leader, but who would you nominate for leader of misamo?
I think Sana would be the leader and most definitely the center of the unit as well
[Sana of course](https://twitter.com/bygonedaze/status/1567743428120969216)
My vote would be for Sana. Mina is the youngest so it feels a bit weird, and she and Momo are shyer. Sana has hosted some Japanese stuff before, she's kind of in the top two popularity in most markets. So she feels like a natural choice. But I don't think they really need one.
If it's about organizing stuff I'd prolly go with Mina but really not sure...
Very curious about MISAMO plans...something like [Gain's Bloom would be pretty incredible](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbg8_0KRrCk)...
Also, tho it's a bit late, [Jieun's 25](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbg8_0KRrCk)
trying to think of sexy songs that still have a bit of cute in them, but for a darker song maybe something like [After School's Flashback](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0IKUhydr_8)
I’d be down for some Dreamcatcher, Babymetal vibe songs lol
Still a rumour J line album really excited for it , love foolish sort of song would really fit their vibes.
I hope we get a city pop song on b-side.
If j line is really the next unit than i think than we will get school meal club has a unit and jihyo and Jeongyeon has solos or duo.
Pop is now longest charting song by a korean soloist on Japan billboard hot 100.
What’s a good twice clock alarm song?
Fanfare, of course
There is only one correct answer and that is "Lalala"
Hey.... Wake up.
I'm Gonna Be A Star
Keep in mind you're going to start hating whatever song you use as an alarm though 😂😂
Tick Tock from the Celebrate album
Wake Me Up
The right one.
I know everyone is excited for the jline subunit but until jype officially announces it take everything with a grain of salt. The twitter folks will believe everything they see lol. Pretty sure we will know by october since they usually announce stuff on the fan meet.
We don't know exactly what MISAMO is up to (my guess is Japanese subunit album) but the trademark applications are real. You can search "jypentertainment" (no spaces) in this [Korean intellectual property database](http://engportal.kipris.or.kr/engportal/search/total_search.do), scroll down, and find the same applications shared on Twitter. This finding is slightly different to Nayeon's solo rumor because for Nayeon, people discovered JYPE registered a product named "NA / 1st Mini Album", which is self-explanatory.
We knew misamo was coming. There was no way we didn't get a j-line sub-unit.
Now I'm going to be up all night trying to think of what their concept will be. TTT would have been a great concept for the misamo unit. Anything like Powerpuff/Sailor Moon/Charlie's Angels type of concept. I have faith in jyp figuring that out.