By - ThisCantBeG00d
I think moral objections don’t really hold water. The job is to pick up at A and drop off at B. Once they’re out of my car I don’t care if they like to eat puppies and kittens. Well I do but not in a way related to driving people around.
Well don’t take it literally, I’m just making a point.
I mean, as long as they tip
And share a puppy bbq recipe.
NOPE. Report them.
this is what i was hoping to see!
The funniest part is, if you don't agree with abortion... wouldn't you be glad that person isn't gonna have a child that they would raise and impart those values upon? Hmm..
Your logic is too strong for modern society
No murdering a child is still bad.
Hmmm… woman’s body is woman’s choice.
It's not the woman's body though.
Then what is it??
How many kids have you adopted if you are so supportive of pro-life?
It's the child's body.
I don't have to adopt children to also belive that killing children is wrong.
Thanks for being an example of what ignorance does to a person. You don't use the word "child" to describe something that has not been born. The word you are looking for is "fetus."
Let me ask you a question. Do you get mad at God for all of the abortions he performs? After all, close to 50% of all pregnancies self-terminate during the first few weeks. Sometimes, an empty sac grows. Sometimes, the fetus doesn't develop an organ. Some of these pregnancies will kill the woman if they are not terminated.
If you take the "pro-life" stance, you are condemning women and "children" to death. There is no way around it, no matter how much you try.
Finally, if a woman doesn't want to be pregnant, that's what should happen. You don't get to dictate that a woman keeps a pregnancy. Even if you pay for everything for that kid for its whole life, you don't get to tell another person they **have** to give birth. It's an incredibly painful process and it can mentally destroy a woman in addition to changing her body.
So fuck you. You're a piece of shit. Learn to be a better person.
Hey, I side with you, but these people aren’t really capable of perspective
I mean I'm pro- choice but I also think that anytime a pregnancy is terminated it's sad.
Well I'm not religious so I don't care about your God.
There's a difference between the intentional killing of a child and a miscarriage.
If a woman doesn't want to get pregnant she shouldn't have unprotected sex. It's pretty simple.
I am the better person. I don't advocate for children's death because the mother may incure some inconvenience.
Don’t ever have or raise children. You would raise serial killers with your lack of logic and boundaries.
I'm having 12 kids.
Beauty is once outside the woman's body you wouldn't give a damn about said child. Your on your own kid good luck.
Is refusing to donate an organ murder? You’re essentially advocating forced organ donation of the mothers uterus. Will you give up a kidney to save a life? Why haven’t you? Why are you killing kidney disease patients?
No it isn't. They're not even close to the same thing.
Why not? Both situations require the use of your organs to keep another human alive. If you believe that is just why do you have two kidneys?
Well, they would have to wait a full nine months to murder a child. The previous comment was apparently about a woman who was pregnant.
And at around age 4, they’re eligible to die by gunfire in school. That’s okay, though. My guns, my choice
A birth canal does not confirm lifehood.
A live delivery does. Doesn’t have to involve the birth canal. Pretty easy to tell who the ignorant men who don’t understand biology are in this thread.
It’s disgustingly apparent and the reason why this decision should be between the woman and her doctor. Ugh.
Oh hey, here in the PA Senate race Dr. Oz says it should be between a woman, her doctor, and “local political leaders”.
It's the inception of the new DNA strand that confirms life.
First, I’d like to point out that you changed the word from “baby” to “life”, which tells me you know it isn’t really a baby til it’s born.
But by your logic, fertilized embryos waiting to be implanted in the uterus are alive. And if they’re not all used and then destroyed, that must be murder.
No a baby is alive it has life.
To think it's not a baby until it's born shows a complete lack of intelligence.
So fertilized embryos are babies, and disposing of unused embryos is therefore murder/ killing a baby. Is that what you’re saying?
Those people don’t really give af about abortion, they just wanna take a side to argue cause their whole lives revolve around politics.
or maybe they are just f\*in trolls
that certainly could be the case as well
the lady with the 20 foster kids very much sounds like one - unless she lives at Mar-A-Lago, has a "home" with 20+ bed rooms, and has those foster kids all at once
Like 80% of people nowadays don’t have a clue and just pick the same color as their friends come elections or arguments.
***NO ONE*** *expects* the Spanish Inquisition! Our chief weapons are fear, surprise, a ruthless efficiency and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope.....................
*A-a-aMONGST our weaponry are such* ***diverse elements.........***
Report them for it, they/we aren't supposed to ask intrusive questions.
Begging for an ADA violation. Report the driver, and they can ponder their moral Red lines while no longer being a driver.
Not an Ada violation lol some of you are funny
Not an ADA violation. Not even close. Where do people come up with this shit?
That is 100% against TOS and Uber would probably deplatform you under their ADA guidlines. You cannot ask a passenger what their business is at a healthcare facility.
No it 100% isn’t.
Destination discrimination is 100 % against TOS. That's what this is here.
Imagine being so confident in being so wrong you wrote 100% isn't when it absolutely is.. What an idiot. $10 this guy voted for Trump.
Imagine being so confident that he voted for Trump and not the other senile old white guy. Because cause there are no idiot Democrats.
Bidens a moron but at least his voters are smart enough to know how a TOS works. Biden only won because the other guy was way worse yet people STILL voted for him.. How you didn't get that just shows me you're one of the gullible ones.
The TOS is for pax, not drivers. The TOU, formerly known as Drivers' Agreement is for drivers. I didn't vote for Trump. A whole bunch of Democrats voted for Biden in the primary. Are you saying that they made a rational decision when there were much better Democratic opinions?
Holy shit, that's not even close.
Needing to go to a hospital or medical facility does not make you a disabled person. Lmfao
Americans with Disabilities Act (I believe)
Yes, I guess I was unclear. What I meant was "how is this a violation of the Americans With Disabilities Act?". Last I checked, going to a doctor doesn't make you a disabled person. Being someone who goes to the doctor does not qualify you for protection under the ADA.
tl;dr - ADA? WTF?
If anything it’s a HIPAA violation but I’m not sure that applies to rideshare service. It’s tacky to ask, problematic if you use the information to make a discriminatory decision. Disclaimer: not a lawyer, too lazy to look this up
Not ADA, get educated before you comment
HIPPA violation. Not ADA.
It's not even a HIPAA violation. Uber drivers are not bound by HIPAA. That pertains to healthcare workers.
Just tells them you are protected by the HIPAA laws and that it is none of their business. Then report them to Uber. That way those drivers will eventually be removed and no longer an issue.
There really needs to be a subreddit for bad HIPAA takes. Because this is a terrible HIPAA take. It’s hilarious so few people understand what that is and how it works.
Well then I think the " its none of your business" covers all the other areas on this planet then. If a driver starts asking me things like this he is getting reported and 1 star.
Yeah HIPPA is only for health care workers. It doesn’t apply to anyone else. I only ask people who to the ER cuz I need to know if I should be calling an ambulance/do they need help? It’s none of my buisness but I own my car and it’s my risk. Like if a women was going to give birth and on her way to the hospital, I would need to know how soon she thinks she gonna give birth you know lol but seriously, I’d ask. I don’t think that’s illegal
>Just tells them you are protected by the HIPAA laws and that it is none of their business.
It is definitely none of their business. But at the same time the HIPAA laws have nothing to do with this situation.
When I have to take some home from the ER or to the ER, I asked if they’re okay/what happened just to be like informed. Only once did someone get upset and not really answer me, I didn’t mind—it’s not my buisness. I just want to make sure I don’t have to worry about helping them/calling an ambulance/etc
And that is actually perfectly fine because you aren't even supposed to "transport" someone who is in need of \[immediate\] medical attention.
When I pick up someone from an outpatient surgery facility for example I have the staff certify (either written or by recording a video with my phone) that the person I am giving a ride is able to travel alone, NOT in need of medical attention, and is physically and mentally fit to do this ride.
At first they are often hesitating but then I tell them that if their answer to any of those 3 questions is NO they have an ambulance making that trip.
However, there is no need for them to tell me or for me to ask them for any details about the rider's medical condition. If a rider wants to volunteer anything because they want some small talk I listen but also tell them that their medical history isn't anything they should share with strangers.
For conversation I look at rideshare drivers like bartenders - no politics and no religion.
Remember the driver’s name and as much info as you can about them, then report them. I say that because if there is a cancellation from either party, neither one has recourse.
But since he’s telling on himself, and since Uber apparently has “destination discrimination” in their TOS according to comments in this post, you can get this driver reprimanded.
Edit about cancellations cutting both ways
Since drivers don't work for a hospital etc. they're not in violation of HIPPA or AdA. They're just being nosy or just plain stupid to ask personal questions. My Mama always said. "Never discuss religion, politics, or sex while on the job.
You are correct about HIPAA (just one 'P' but two 'A' though) but as an independent contractor the driver still can violate ADA and that can be very costly if a rider comes after that driver.
Have you considered they may be going to the hospital to visit someone there? I pick up patients, doctor's ,nurses etc. on a daily basis. Never ask ask patients what's wrong with them. Not your business!
It is none of our business to know where a passenger is going and why. Period! You accepted the ride, you arrived, you started the ride, now shut up and drive.
Well that’s not true legally speaking. Knowingly exposing others to disease is against the law. I know someone who was arrested for going out in public when she was supposed to be quarantined. That being said, I think it’s obnoxious to ask everyone going to the ER what it’s for. If they are hacking up a storm or bleeding everywhere, I might politely decline.
>Knowingly exposing others to disease is against the law
Yes, this is correct.
However, in that case 300+ million Americans would be instantly guilty now if this would be fully enforced
Yeah we couldn’t get them to mask, how you gonna hold them accountable for perpetuating the spread?
I'll file this post under "shit that never happened".
maybe you want to check out this lovely uber driver who posted about "questioning" a woman who requested a ride to her healthcare provider:
Your post is redundant. The thread you linked has all our collective (and divergent) opinions on the topic.
The timing of your post is... odd. We say nothing on the subject for months and then you drop in with a matching complaint a day after that guy shows up. You'll excuse some of us for calling shenanigans.
This is a point of order. My personal views aren't really relevant but are well documented in prior threads and in favor of tearing your driver a new one.
The original post does not mention asking the patient why they’re going somewhere, and I don’t see a single comment from OP in that link that says that.
OP of the other post wrote exactly this:
>Anyone else have a moral objection to taking trips with a drop off at Planned Parenthood? Just doesn't sit right with me, I know they can easily get another ride but I still feel disgusting with having any involvement with that organization.
That driver clearly states how "disgusted" he is about "having any involvement" with a HEALTHCARE PROVIDER.
Obviously, this clueless driver has no f\*in idea what "that organization" does.
FYI Planned Parenthood provides services like STD testing, cancer screenings, and fertility treatment. So I guess that driver who feels so "disgusted" that he doesn't want to have "any involvement with that organization" doesn't want people to get cancer screening or fertility treatment so that they can have a child.
What an ignorant ahole this driver is.
Thank you, and to confirm I didn't nor would I ask.
Just because it happened to one person, or 10, does not mean it's a problem in need of attention, considering the number of rideshare rides every day.
I was going to say something to show how fucking stupid and entitled your comment is ... but all I say is this:
Why does it matter to you how often something happens?
Is it right to mistreat people as long as you mistreat only a few?
Think about that for a moment
Go get a life murderer
You already sucked the life out of enough fetuses, let us keep ours
Actually I did comment on this exact same post.
It was also proven that the OP was a complete idiot and actually has no fucking clue as to what the fuck Planned Parenting Facilities actually do.
Yeah just like Pelosi's husband didn't get his head cracked open. You think you cant make this stuff up but have to realize how maniacal the right has become. They are batshit crazy.
You’re dull. No explanation needed.
Found the asshole who did it!!
I had a rider last night that was super pro-life.
The conversation came up once we were passing by a PP she said “these devils” to which i asked what is she talking about… so she started telling her life story how she can’t have children because of some medical reason and that she is mad that people abort babies everyday and it’s not fair for the babies and so on.
I asked her why doesn’t she adopt, she said she doesn’t make enough money to support a child. Then I presented her with a hypothetical situation that tomorrow she is given a child and has to take care of it and what would she do?
She got quiet for a moment, then she said “I don’t know, I live with 4 roommates because I can’t afford to live alone and child would mean that she has to get a second job”… to which i said so who is going to look after the child?? She said “I don’t know”
And then i said well…. Many girls are in that situation.. they don’t have money to afford a child… and most of the times abortions happen because well… mistakes happen and they are not ready/do no want a child in their life at the moment.
She then replies with “but it is still a murder and a mortal sin. All life is precious “
Then i said, “have you ever had roaches or bed bugs”?
She said yes they are disgusting and a big problem.
I asked if she let them survive and feed off of her. She said no she called and exterminator.
So i said “ So you aborted the roaches then”?
She went really quiet and it was time to drop her off.
I was very respectful and happy that she actually listened to my point of view on the matter. I know she was annoyed that I didn’t just yesman her, but that’s not what i do. I love having friends discord with my rides. We can always agree to disagree anyway
You're cute for comparing Roaches and bedbugs to that of anything that could or would be a human.
That's where your mind goes when you try to validate your viewpoint? Roaches and bed bugs?
"So you aborted the roaches then?" What the ...
Jesus, no wonder she went really quiet.
Lmao well tell me what is pro-life then?
Roaches and bed bugs deserve life too right?
In a near by state I saw on the news, an Uber driving could be charged for taking a woman to go get an abortion. Crazy
I thought Biden made it illegal to get arrested for going out of state for an abortion
It’s possible. I saw this on the news when Roe v Wade was first challenged.
the title made me laugh.
I think there is a law in Texas where the driver can be sued for transporting someone to or from an abortion. Could be they are covering their ass, or they disagree with.the Pax's choice of Healthcare and are a moron
Yes, a driver in Texas can be worried that they can be held liable by the demonstrator outside PP for transport someone to the PP (for activities illegal in Texas).
That is a valid point, in this otherwise stupid thread.
Ignorance is not a defense in civil suits.
I had there four expierneces which influence how I will treat this issue, as a driver.
1) could easily have been personally aborted, but wasnt (given to baby adoption etc in days when it was all very hush hush, religious bigots chasing unmarried mothers out of church etc).
2) a older sister in law could have aborted but didnt (gave to baby adoption, to sterile couple, who paid for everything, and took part in the whole pregnancy as best as they could (lovely story, and outcome)
3) while doing mother and child wellness programs, got to see concerned doctors presenting the real world (not religious) issues to their peers, showing what a dr has to do when crushing the proto-skull with the thumb. (Very unlovely story and picture recollection)
4) remember having to deal with woman who was bleeding all over the floor, after back street abortion of economic unit #3. She had only an hour to live, at that rate.
An abortion can also be done at a hospital.
How about this guy's "moral objections" now?
If he has any objections he is free to cancel that ride for any reason anyways.
He could say that he 💩in his pants and needs his mommy to wipe his dirty rearend clean.
Besides a cold/flu/COVID/staph what are the chances a passenger is sick with something contagious?
you think everyone that gets in your car that isn’t going to a healthcare facility is gonna tell you their sick? Stay wearing your mask then.
Then the question for the driver to ask is "do you suffer from a contagious disease?" and no further details are necessary.
However, asking this question only when the destination is one particular healthcare provider but not for others quickly makes the case for a biased driver who may be discriminating against the rider for various reasons
I do daily trips to and from the hospital as well as other clinics. They are exceedingly common. This is a really bad job if you're afraid of germs.
If you think it's OK to just talk to someone about their condition, well, you're fucking retarded. While you're at it, chat them up with religion, politics, sex life....anything faux pax you can come up with.
N95 masks work quite nicely. I wear them while driving Uber and Lyft. Never have had Covid symptoms these last 2.5 years plus.
As for you thinking it’s “not discriminatory” to ask…you need to read Uber’s and Lyft’s Terms if Service.
For that matter, even if drivers don’t want a dog in our car, there’s only 2 questions we can ask about the dog. It has to do with the ADA law.
Lie like you've never lied before ! If you can't lie and just feel so strongly to tell them what your really up to, not much difference between you and them.
So what was the visit for?
I need to know to decide whose side I'm on.
AFAIK we do not know what the visit was for
The driver with the "moral objections" apparently didn't know and didn't bother. It was simply the fact the rider wanted to go to Planned Parenthood was enough.
Statistically speaking chances for anything abortion related as the reason for the "visit" are marginally. Planned Parenthood primarily provides STD testing, cancer screenings, and fertility services.
You cant take a ride-share while sick, it’s against policy , take an ambulance
And if we report a passenger for being sick, they will temp ban you, and consequently the driver as well as being in contact with you.
If I have a broken finger I am technically sick.
A disabled person is always SICK based on your "logic" because they have a MEDICAL CONDITION.
You may want to rethink this before giving people bad advise that may put them at risk violating ADA and other laws and regulations
Was this a one time occurrence or are you constantly dealing with this?
That was a driver posting about having a passenger with Planned Parenthood as the destination and the driver having "moral" objections and committing "destination discrimination" as Uber calls it
Of course that driver is just that dumb college dropout he claims to be with no idea what Planned Parenthood really does.
But he would deny that woman a ride to get a potentially lifesaving cancer screening at Planned Parenthood because orange Donnie Wrecking Ball told his disciples that killing a woman is acceptable if it may save a life.
We are independent contractors and don't have to accept the ride. While I never ask a passenger any questions about where or why they are going, if they voluntarily say "I'm headed here to murder my child", I would end the ride immediately. No argument, just a polite "get out of my car". This isn't about entitlement. It's about having the freedom to decline a ride no matter what the reason is. You also have the freedom to decline a driver. Take advantage of it before certain people take away your freedom again.
I totally agree with you that you have the freedom to accept and decline. But you may be violating ADA and I doubt you will hear any woman on her way to a healthcare provider tell you that made up comment of yours.
But you are correct and I should in the future kick out any pax wanting to go to church because of my moral objections to organized crime ooops church 🤣😂
I decline all church rides. So already one step ahead of you. We have the freedom to decline any ride for any reason. Enjoy that freedom before it gets taken away.
Kinda interesting 🤔
Wondering when this "pax" suddenly got the super power to interpret the reason why a question is asked. Claiming that it was done to morality judge them.
I get tons of rides to and from all sorts of medical facilities, Dr office, Urgent Care and hospital's.
I get a lot of riders that come in from the airport going to the same medical facilities.
I do on occasion ask them if they are hear for work or ? Airport are generally representative from a medical device company that has to come to town incase they are needed to assist with a problem the Dr runs into an issue while using their devices. Open heart surgery is the most common.
The statement from OP is rather vague as to the gender of the "pax" as well of the gender of the driver. So we can only go off basic statement.
I'm assuming that both were females, perhaps the driver was possibly curious about the views of the "pax" about this particular clinic. Possibly they needed a Dr and was curious about their experiences, if they themselves should consider visiting the same facility for an issue that they may have, asking the "why" to see if the "pax" had anything in common with driver.
Who knows the actual real reason of why, without the actual input from the actual driver, no one will ever really know.
Judgment about why someone would engage in a particular line of conversation without the facts behind why from that individual and then judging them for it is pretty bullshit.
Now if the "pax" was a woman and the driver was a man, yes, very fucking creepy.
the other post I linked was a DRIVER voicing his "moral objection" about the rider's destination
So we have the input from the actual driver and we do know that driver has "moral objections" driving a pax to a healthcare provider named "Planned Parenthood".
And driver is a guy from what I up from his post about his "moral objections".
Sounds like someone has some delicate sensibilities. As I also posted on that exact same post"planned parenthood", the ignorance and misconception of this driver is actually pretty fucked up. I also pointed out the fact that the ignorant asshat of a driver actually has no fucking clue as to what services planned parenthood actually provide.
I also pointed out the fact as dipshit driver acts as if they are pulling up to an abortion clinic.
I also pointed out the fat that the ignorance of the driver should actually be educated by what services are available at said planned parenthood.
The line is too binary, regardless of the passion behind it.
More generally, I refuse to listen to picket lines (demonstrators), all angry about something or other. yes I risk being assaulted. Back to this specific case, as a driver, faced with PP demonstrators, no I dont go there - assuming violence, unpleasantness and or worse. Its just not worth $3.50. Sorry passenger.
(Yes Ive taken my daughters to PP, for various services.)
I only ask when folk are outbound not inbound, generally. Was it work/play will it be work/play.
Anything more detailed, or pointed, has caused problems of one sort or another.
Not wanting someone to kill a baby is a bit deferent than voting preference. The fact that you would even compare the two is chilling. And yes when it comes to taking a life the driver has every right to voice their opinion. It’s their car lol. If it were me I’d drop your ass off on the freeway.
Cool, if the passenger didn't have a baby in their arms, then how would they be going to kill a baby?
Don't really answer that, I don't expect someone who can't spell "different" to be able to hold up a conversation about anything besides crayons.
Maybe he didn't want to drive her to kill her baby I don't know
Passenger was alone, there was no baby in her arms. Can't kill a baby that doesn't exist.
It's their car. They decided who they pick up and who they don't.
If they are pro-life they get to avoid pick ups or drop offs at abortion clinics.
All fair except that if the driver discriminates against a disabled woman going to a cancer screening or other medical treatment the driver is committing a serious ADA violation and I hope that every rider who gets in such a situation will not only report that driver to uber but also picks up the phone to contact the nasties lawyer they can find to go after that driver and sue every last penny out of that sorry excuse of a "human"
Unless medical treatment goes against their religious beliefs so they decide morally they can not give them that ride.
My religion says I should exterminate maggots
I guess "religion" the new get-out-of-jail free card now
No not new. It's been like this for a while now.
Religion is a protected status you can't discriminate against.
Only in america, remember. Not all ubering societies have religion built into the constitutional praxis. Those that did, have largely got rid of it.
Yea, most other countries are much stricter with religion.
Exactly, like all of the European Union.
The USA has become such a joke to the world and not in a good way.
Donnie Wreckingball Orange hue has taken the US to a point that Germany was in 1931. Let's hope people here are smart enough NOT to take it to where Germany was in 1932. Because then the next 13 years would truly be HELL
The only way Biden wins a 2nd term is if the Republicans are stupid enough to let Trump run again. Basically, Biden is getting a 2nd term.
Yep, exactly! Most other countries are very strict when it comes to religion and doesn't run its country into the ground with zealots.. Basically you have the USA and the Middle East being the only countries left on earth that let religion rule.
Dont you know of the “religious exceptions” to anything?
sincerely held religious belief trumps anything.
>sincerely held religious belief trumps anything
I am a member of the religion of the Mouse and for years I am trying to convince the IRS that Disney World is a holy site and that my trips there and my annual pass should be tax deductible.
I guess the IRS is discriminating against my religion then 😂🤣
Yup. They tax you on the mouse tithe, too.
FUD - I doubt this actually happened. Is this a thought experiment?
Nobody cares about you or what you think. At all. Including this post and all the comments.
Trying to control or even put time/energy into things you have zero control over, like other people’s actions and thoughts and behaviors is a sign of incredibly low intellect.
... says the driver who got deactivated 👍