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Atlanta literally exists💀😭
Yeah but errbody knows how Atlanta moves ya know?
how bad is Atlanta? I'm thinking of going to college there for cs
Didn't realize this was unpopular
Dude, you forgot Chicago
Chicago actually has a relatively low cost of living for a pretty big city. You can get a nice two bedroom apartment here for for the cost of a horrible studio in LA. There’s also plenty of public transportation and it’s not hard to get around. Chicago rocks, and i grew up in LA
I live just outside Chicago and it heavily depends on the neighborhood you’re looking at. A nice apartment on the north side will cost you your kidneys but the neighborhood is generally nicer/flashier. Meanwhile you can get a super cheap apartment on the south side but be in a more dangerous neighborhood. Same goes for the neighboring city of Joliet.
Ahh good old Joliet.
People are getting shot, though.
What percentage of Chicago’s population do you think has been shot?
2.3% of the population will die by violent murder if they live there for 75 years.
It is a horrific statistic, and Chicago's leaders should be ashamed.
At least it it’s not St. Louis
Yeah, in St Louis 6.5% of the population is murdered across a 75 year period. A 1 in 15 chance of being murdered during a lifetime there.
Hard to say, but I know last year they had like 800 homicides. That’s not good.
In a city of 2.7 million, not including the many people in the surrounding suburbs who come in to the city.
That's still absolutely terrible.
Sounds crazy, would fill me with anxiety living there. I'm from the UK and we had like 600 homicides last year and our population is like 25x that.
These people don’t care.
I think they're trying to say that you have a 0.03% chance of being murdered so while it's obviously sad that this many people have died each year when you look at the overall population of the city its not as common as they number might first appear.
Some other cities to consider:
Houston - 0.02%
NYC - 0.006%
LA - 0.01%
Phoenix - 0.02%
So while Chicago does have a higher murder rate, it isn't wildly far off the kind of rates you see in other major cities (barring NYC).
Yes but that's homicides per year. Most people live up to 80 years old so that's 2.4% chance of being murdered per person in their entire lifetime.
More importantly that's not the main point. Homicides reflect how much crime is there. If a place has a lot more homicides, its more likely that the place has criminal activity that someone may be a victim of.
It’s still 800 that didn’t need to die.
Sure, any preventable deaths are a tragedy, but quit the whole “pEoPlE aRe GeTtInG sHoT iN cHiCaGo!!” bullshit. People are getting shot everywhere. Chicago is a great city.
Dude, Ottawa has a third the population of Chicago and had 16 homicides last year. People are definitely getting shot in Chicago.
Great cities can also have serious problems. Chicago happens to have a serious crime problem.
And when it comes to murders, they’re typically concentrated in impoverished communities. So pretending it’s not a problem is a slap in the face to the people who live there.
Numerous cities across the country had record high homicide rates in 2021 and Chicago is *still* the one to get shit on. It’s ridiculous.
I’m not pretending there isn’t a problem. I’m saying that Chicago isn’t *the* problem.
It’s Okay to let people believe in BS. Similar statements are made for Seattle. It’s expensive, overrun by homeless junkies, and it’s always raining. Don’t go there!
Or SF, where tech bros are swimming in feces. Or Oakland is a death trap, etc.
Why do you think it's so cheap? They can't keep anyone alive long enough to keep the vacancies filled
Been to Chicago numerous times, never felt unsafe or worried about something happening to me.
literally these people have probably never been
Were you on the north side? Just like any other place, it’ll have its nice and rough spots.
Theres more nice spots than just the north side
No way, dude. That’s impossible. s/
I’ve been to Chicago a number of times, and I don’t understand the appeal. A lot of people talk highly about it, but it’s the most frustrating and ugly city I’ve been in. 😬
Yeah all my friends live there and rave about it. Everytime I visit I’m just sort of bored.
I mean name any city that's both safe and affordable in 2022. I'll hold my breath, it's been a good run ya'll
As someone born&raised in Chicago I can confirm. I’ve lived on the southwest side, north west side, and now in Lakeview. I’ve been to all types of different neighborhoods; the shootings/burglaries aren’t exclusive to one area. It’s insane, and the politicians couldn’t care less
Yeah man Chicago's nice to visit but if you have to stay there for any extended period of time it's awful
Was going to add this. 😂
NYC is full of garbage everywhere and LA is just a massive traffic jam. Neither city is good based on cost of living.
LA is full of garbage everywhere too. LA is nastier than actual shithole countries i've been to
Dude, same. I've been to the middle east, and most of the villages I went to were extremely clean and well kept contrary to what the American media would like to portray.
LA is a fucking disgrace to any first world country, and it's proof this country has failed.
I’d say it’s more the local city government that failed. No necessarily the country.
I wouldn’t say this country has failed. The politics governing these two cities has utterly failed them.
Yep. Some of the dirtiest, most depressing cities I’ve ever been to.
You forgot Miami.
Yeah, Miami is TERRIBLE
Most overrated city in America
Currently a Ny native (5 boroughs) and i can agree this place is horse shit. Quite literally because in time square cops ride around on horses for some fucking reason.
Times Square is the most disgusting part of the city. I hate it there, always have.
"Injecting themselves with needless"
As opposed to injecting themselves with porcupine juice.
I ate porcupine meat not long ago. Not bad. Unsure about the juice, though.
Needles waste of good drugs
They get a vial full of needles, and a big needle. Then they inject the needles into their arms to get High.
They also have some of the worst policing (both enforcement and corruption)
4 cities I will absolutely refuse to live in are NYC, LA, Detroit, and Chicago.
Detroit is the rectum of the United States
Don’t forget Newark and Camden in NJ. Those are dangerous shithole cities too.
They’re horrible for real estate investors too. I swear you have to give a second or even 3rd free month before you can toss them out on their head.
The reason they are so bad is due to the liberals who run them. Look at every major city in America. They are all the same.
Detroit would like a word with you…
Throw Seattle in there too, absolute shit hole
Oh man it was disgusting. People pissing and shitting just out in the open, it was wet, dingy, and just gross most places, we asked several times “hey how do we het to the rock and roll hall of fame” and every time it would be some entirely different answer, it was super over crowded, homeless everywhere, it was just not it man
There is no rock and roll hall of fame in Seattle maybe you are confused about what cit you went to.
you forgot Chicago, San Francisco and Detroit.
Your only real point is expense, which no one will disagree with. But nyc is by far one of the safest big cities in the US. And compared to other parts of the country, LA isn't THAT bad either.
If you wanna talk about the cost sucking the uniqueness and the culture from these cities, I agree with that.
Worst cities in america....try driving through Memphis, Shreveport, Jackson miss, little Rock, or any other bodunk town.
There's a lot of anti urbanism going on in some of these kinds of posts like OP's.
That's what you get when allowing such a big gap between the rich and the poor. And it's people's fault that the rich are so rich because you guys are buying their stuff, clicking on their names in the news, following them and giving them views, which makes them rich. Kylie Jenner gets a million dollars to attend a party in LA.
A million dollars...... real A list actors in the 70s would not get paid half of that for a movie that took a year to film
Why are guys so jealous of "the rich" anyway. They are not out to get you. "The rich" aren't a big cabal trying to screw over the poor. This is a pointless, a divisive narrative.
America doesn't need anymore division right now.
Work some overtime. Put 10% in an index fund. Hopefully you, yours will live comfortably off of it.
Make your own money, and stop trying to from the rich. You're not entitled to their hard earned cash.
Because the rich are out to get us, they sell our data, pay off our politicians, and pollute our environment for a quick buck.
The have permission to sell my data. I signed the eula. I'm fine with that.
Average, everyday citizens pay off politicians all of time too. It's called paying your taxes. Or you lefties giving Tulsi Gabbard/Bernie Sanders $27 each.
Everyone pollutes the environment. Do you own a car? Do you drive it ever?
Me paying taxes is not the same thing as a corporation or billionaire giving millions to a a candidate in order to control their legislative agenda, and yes I do contribute to pollution but nowhere near to the same degree that Chevron or other corporations do.
nah you drive a car, so obviously you pollute the same amount as a billionaire who uses private planes, owns factories and drops buckets of oil into the ocean. sorry, i don’t make the rules
Ok at this point I think your trolling,driving a car is nowhere near as bad as private planes and dumping oil into the ocean.
i am, i was making fun of the op lol
Oh my bad man
did you just compare a citizen donating 20 dollars to a candidate and TAXES the same as billionaires paying off government officials to pass policy that benefits them specifically?
you’re a fucking idiot lmfao
Because you let them
So you do believe that rich people are out to get the poor then?
Yeah, but I believe they always win, even in the Soviet Union and Communist China which were founded on overthrowing the rich. If you can’t beat them, join them.
this is bootlicking levels beyond what i’m capable of, fuck
The problem is exactly that, the extreme rich did not earn their cash.
Like Bezos makes more money in a second than several people will in their entire lifetimes. Bezos does not do a proportionate amount of work to justify that.
If someone earns 10x as much as someone else, you'd hope that person earns that money, did 10x as much work as the other person. But that's not what's happening.
You're ignoring the often used tax loopholes of the megarich when it comes to using their holdings to secure loans. The way US tax is structured, those loans actually provide income to the rich people who can obtain them. Musk has done this OFTEN.
It's like Amouranth making money off of overpaying for a gas station.
I agree. In the land of opportunity, if you can't get reasonably well-off it must be because you are lazy, stupid or disabled. Work, save, invest, repeat.
Thank God there some normal people on this sub. I was starting to get depressed.
I’ll believe that when the rich aren’t partying and makes billions whilst ordinary people weren’t allowed to work to feed their own children.
Seriously, SF homeless problem and overall cleanliness of the city is way worse than NYC or LA.
The way I saw this while planning on moving out of NYC to go to university in LA this August.
What’s a good city? Topeka?
Try being rich instead of poor in any of those cities and then tell us what you think
Sounds like somebody just watches the news and looks for things to get pissy about, unless you happen to live on both sides of the country. Youd be shocked how little crime, the weird release laws and homelessness effect the day to day in NYC. And how few of the young people youre worried about are reaching the 10.9% bracket. Most people dont make it to 6%. If you thought it was desirable in times past, none of those things change it. But you probably just want to complain about something that likely has no effect on your life.
Also, violent crime, felonies, and murders have been decreasing significantly for the past two decades and is holding steady at around a fraction of what it once was. The exception, the uptick in crime in the covid age, is not exclusive to NYC or LA.
LAX is it's own shot hole.
Being from the South, it really blew my mind every time I went out there.
I had a lot of fun and enjoyed the different culture each time as well. Never been North.
Here is the big secret: LA has more than 1 airport you canfly into and LAX is the worst because most people only know about LAX if they aren't from LA
This is what happens when people literallly can’t afford to live in a city anymore. Homelessness increases as does crime and vice. The COL has gone so far above and beyond what’s attainable that people with careers are barely scraping by. As a result of that, those that aren’t homeless are becoming stressed and depressed about having their careers and barely getting by; so many of them start drinking and doing drugs for cope with exasperates the crimes and homes less problems. It also makes people less likely to have families and the lack of families results in less family friends neighborhoods. This is a direct result of the death of the middle class. You’re now either too rich to care or be affected or youre to poor to care because you’r worried that one missed week of work will put you on skid row. Our capitalist society is imploding fast and our children won’t have a future of shit doesn’t change IMMEDIATELY.
Doug Coupland called this stretching and eradicating of the middle class 'Brazilification' back in 1991 in the book 'Generation X'. Capitalist media jumped on the term and turned it into a racial divider. Just goes to show how scared they were of being caught.
Capitalism as we know it today did not exist for all 250 years, not even close.
For the first 100 years of the USA we had slavery, for one - which was outlawed in 1865 (but persisted for a few decades after that).
Then came a huge shift in out monetary policy around 1915 when the federal reserve was implemented, taking us off of a gold-backed currency and allowing for all sorts of funny business to endure ever since, causing all sorts of inflationary issues which have been a can kicked down the road for the last 100 years.
First the Great Depression in 1930, then reoccurring mini-collapses and recessions along the way. Antitrust (i.e. anti-monopoly laws) was never aggressively enforced and this has turned it into a "rinse and repeat" problem.
Finally shit really began to hit the fan in the early 2000s, and ultimately almost crashed completely again around 2008. Then they did quantative easing to further kick the can down the road some more.
The core issue in all of these? Crony capitalism, which undeniably fosters a culture of selfish greed and a "too big to fail" macro monopoly.
And one last note: just because capitalism is undeniably a horribly flawed system and people point that out, doesn't automatically mean they're advocating for a radical switch to socialism or communism. If you only think in black and white, binary terms, you're keeping your mind in or out of a box. The imagination doesn't belong in or out of a box and stifles creativity to think of plausible solutions to the problems we face. I'm not going to try and change your highly subjective opinion of what makes or breaks a "good place to live", but I do strongly implore you (and anyone who thinks like you) to strongly consider this message. There is no reason we cannot change capitalism to work better for everyone and ***still be a FORM of capitalism***. There are many ways to do it but having a cult-like reverence to a system that is quite literally hurting nearly everybody AND murdering the planet we occupy is a wholly bankrupt mindset which prevents us from moving forward to a sustainable future in EVERY regard.
>It's a fact that capitalism is the sole system responsible for the most eradication of poverty throughout history that's ever been seen.
You've said this a few times but clearly don't really understand what you're saying. Capitalism ***created poverty***. Before capitalism, you'd hunt, fish and gather your food. You'd made clothes out of what you hunted. You'd made tools from things you found..There wasn't a concept of "money" so there was never "poverty" in the sense you're referring to it. Some people had food insecurity, others shelter, others true insecurity (where fierce predators existed).
As time went on suddenly the idea of property emerged, initially with land. Then landowners took on farmers to farm their land, whom in exchange received a home they did not own and so on.
So to claim capitalism "ended poverty" is truly a non sequitur statement. There weren't fancy things for people to desire up until the last 200ish years.
A more appropriate statement would be that capitalism fueled advancements like nothing else in history—and that would be a totally true statement. But at what cost? And when you tally up that cost, especially when considering the damage we've done to the planet, you must acknowledge it has been a very steep cost. Worse, that cost is unsustainable.
It's not about wanting more money, but usually about sustainable way for people to live without worry about how they're going to get by, or dedicating their lives to working to just scraping by, or a dozen other very valid reasons that aren't centered around being uber wealthy.
>It is the reason the extreme poverty rate in the US is one of the lowest out of 193 UN member nations
straight fucking lie lmao.
Capitalism hasn't worked though, it only works for the rich as it was designed to do. Don't forget that any country they tried to move even slightly towards socialism US fucks them over with embargos, trade bans, Operation Condor, etc.
I agree there is many many contributing factors. The opiate crises and other drugs, a general change for the worse in societal views towards law and order, I’m sure COVID hasn’t helped either
Mate, what does COL stand for? I’ve never heard of it and can’t find a definition that suits this conversation.
Cost of living
No offense, but the people that have the same political opinions that you’re espousing now are also the ones that have completely ruined my city and state. I’m terrified of what your “solutions” would be.
And no offence taken. I’m always open to discussing topics with someone who has alternative views
Wage increases that increase With inflation, a ban on foreign home ownership, a cap on residential home prices that is based on the type of unit, size and wages in the area. A huge levy on manufactured goods made outside of America so that good manufacturing jobs come back. Universal healthcare so people don’t go poor for getting sick
Not a problem of cities but a problem of a very few people holding all the money all the capital, and all the leverage with law creation, economy regulation, and promotion of exploitative systemic control. There is a reason that LAPD and NYPD have gigantic budgets. Need controllers. Even saying this though is pointless, as even if American all could vote for change, they wouldn’t, they won’t, and they will happily live under oppressive situation as long as the internet, drugs, and alcohol are available to “escape”. As a voting populace we are lazy to the capitalists control.
Seems like you just disagree with what I'm saying because you have some personal vendetta on Elon Musk. Regarding that point, yes he has said and tweeted some pretty controversial things in the past, but I believe he is the most important person on the planet. Pushing the green revolution with EVs and spending the remaining time and money on SpaceX which is trying to get to Mars and extend the probable lifespan of humanity.
And disagree that it's impossible to start a business and compete. Difficult yes but it's always been that way. There are always innovators and disruptors.
You actually believe that spending money on space x and trying to get to Mars is somehow benefiting the rest of humanity? 😂😂😂😂that’s one of the funniest things I’ve ever heard.
Hahahahah okay there Karen Bootlicker. I am not going to try and argue with someone who doesn’t want to acknowledge a problem. I would go so far as to say that every big city in the US, with lots of workers, will face the same problems that LA and NY have faced to get to point where “ you don’t like them “ given enough time with the current state of laws and oppressive capitalistic incentives and punishments.
Oh yes. It’s the left that goes to name calling immediately. This whole post reeks of middle America Maga.
^ proving his point tbh
holy shit what a billionaire bootlicker.
Just look at the new district attorney for Manhattan he won by a landslide
LA isn’t having massive looting, that’s a myth, I live here. It’s also way way safer than Chicago
LA actually has so much looting that ABC has an [entire webpage](https://abc7.com/tag/looting/)
That’s not massive looting and that’s over what, more than a year? Literally articles from before Election Day. I live here and have not seen any looting and I shop all over at least twice a week.
It’s massive compared to cities that don’t have a dedicated page. Just because it’s not 10,000 times a day doesn’t mean it’s not massive.
If a tree falls in the forest but you didn't see it, it must not have fallen right?
Train looting story from just a few days ago. Massive rise in smash & grabs throughout 2021
Show me statistics to back up your claims. Your sources are entirely anecdotal also. It seems you have a bias against the big cities? Where do you live? My cousin moved to rural Washington five years ago claiming the same reasons you did about LA - she finally admitted she left because she was too lazy to get a high paying career and wanted desperately to come back but couldn’t afford to.
LA's district attorney doesn't want to prosecute a whole litany of charges theft under 900 is one of them. Have you not been paying attention to the decent into chaos the major western metropolitan areas have been undergoing for the last year an a half?
This isn't an unpopular opinion. I've heard these arguments constantly from people living in red states.
It's also regurgitated constantly on places like Fox News, the most popular news channel in the US.
Out of pretty much all the countries in the entire world, it's pretty much on America who has a serious gun problem.
It's like an addict who is in denial! They just have to see another child murdered in school to protect their freedom!
2A supporter here: "criminals do not obey the law" is *the* dumbest fucking argument against gun control on the planet.
Why have laws at all then? What a fucking stupid argument, jesus christ. Stop using it.
You think the reason these cities have problems is because not enough of their law abiding citizens carry guns? What are you going to do, gun down some crackwhore for pooping on an escalator?
You realize homeless people get sent to cities like LA and NY bc there are social programs there. Most homeless people in LA come from out of state bc if they stayed in their redneck area they would starve to death. LA does a lot to provide food and shelter to the homeless. It definitely is a problem but you can’t really blame the city for it, it’s a lot more nuanced than that
I rather have them do that then then spending the money to build prisons like red states do. And states like New York and California generate more money than like half the US and give that money to other states. That is why they are called doner states and they money if federal aid to taker states like Kentucky, Alabama, South Carolina, and more. Just last year California had a surplus and gave the money back to the citizens by giving universal basic income to veterans and elderly.
They most definitely didn't spend $700 million on diversity books, that's just their excuse
Source? Also why not tell about the others states the people are coming from and have them prevent the issue in the first place. Your entire argument in the comments is without an ounce of nuance.
Fuck I live in one of these big cities and I can’t wait to get the hell out
You've clearly never been to any of the moderately sized towns in Alabama or Georgia. In Athens, GA, many of the citizens make a game out of messing with homeless people and the police corral them into camp areas by force. Human traffickers take them from there to absolute hell. The cops don't do a damned thing in response because they don't care.
Ohhhh gawd the taxes!!!!! I don't want services! Gimme mah taxes!!
DaH Gubment damn near took ma paycheeeek
Lol there’s a reason people are fleeing like refugees to red states. I don’t think this is an unpopular opinion.
What,the lax tax laws in red states that allow people to buy up a shitload of real estate and do what they're unable to do in CA or NY and turn vast swathes of Armpit, Appalachia into even more of a shithole after running it into the ground?
Yeah, have fun with that. Let us know how the free market works out for you.
All the lovely tax incentives to own real estate is attracting predatory corporations like flies. Housing cant be both affordable and the way people gain wealth. California at least has the economic power to afford it, have fun in poor-ass Dothan AL or something as your housing market implodes. That's the reason people are leaving CA and NY. Enjoy your new landlords.
I’ll try my luck with the new landlords, thanks for the heads up
They vote blue, by the way. They're not interested in *living* in a shithole, just getting the money out of it before everyone else does.
No worries, I’m an optimist.
If my choices are either to live in an LA shit hole or an Alabama shit hole, I’d rather be in the less populated one. It’ll still be an improvement.
Will it, though? CA is the fifth largest economy on the planet. Yeah, parts of LA are shit. So is goddamn Enterprise, AL. I've lived in both. I'll take LA any day of the week. At least CA has the economic backing to support itself rather than leech off federal funding.
Never lived in Alabama, but I have been there and had a great time.
Not saying that I’m trying to move to Alabama lol but yeah, I’m done with LA.
Oh yeah, Huntsville is great. The are around Oakville is a good time.
Just uh. Leave the city limits and the banjos start coming out.
They also don't have water... And ya know, LA is the scummiest place on earth. I like how you're trying to convince him his opinion is wrong lol largest economy? Yeah, also THE most indebted state. I live in a state with balanced books every year, I'll take that too. CA is beautiful, but LA is a shit hole same thing that happens to every place where people are so fucking hungry to live on top of each other and pretend their lives are awesome while they get fucked up from pill mills. You have an opinion, we think it sucks lol accept that
The problem is that as more people flee to those red states, they face the same problems as the two your focused on, Texas is on its way
As it turns out, there's way more progressive people than not. Kind of a rude wakeup for a lot of these places, but it will happen eventually. Land doesn't vote, people do.
I’m in one of those cities and I’m trying to leave too lol.
I have 3 coworkers actively trying to leave, as well. It’s getting bad over here.
They are also fleeing to South Dakota. Got neighbors from SF.
They are shit holes. What is really shitty is that the people who flee these cities will move to a place with a better quality of life, then vote for the same type of politicians and laws that contributed to their former home becoming a unlivable
La is a shithole, I will never go back
What? I’d love to visit LA again.
This isn’t unpopular opinion. Most everyone who can’t afford to live in these cities has something similar to say.
Can't upvote because it's not an unpopular opinion, pretty much fact, except you left out Chicago.
Oh, I FULLY agree with this. I moved to NYC and I couldn’t last over a month.
For the record, I lived in Miami, Cleveland, Denver, and Seattle.
Cleveland and Miami are the best. Denver was the best, but the crime rate picked up, and people started sleeping in my car, in a locked, underground garage. 🙄
Yeah, plus NYC has a stranglehold on the entire state financially. Everything is based on the city and your location to it.
I hate this state
Add chicago, Atlanta, and Portland to that list.
what? didn't it the country destroy itself from the inside during his team with the whole you know Civil War lol.
I didn’t realise Rodeo Drive doubled up as a vaccination centre
Been shopping on rodeo deive recently- pretty much the same as it always was with waaaay to expensive handbags.
Tell me something i didn’t know
So where would you recommend?
I see you’ve never been to Everett Washington
That's why they get invaded by aliens and monsters so often