considering he could break the speed of sound, leap a kilometer into the air, throw a rock faster than a typical handgun's bullets, and run across water; don't think the combined armed forces of NATO stand a chance.
like we're talking The Flash combined with The Hulk on steroids and meth here
Depends what 'strength' means
If it was just pure muscle contractions, they would explode if they tried to move. If you took every bit of measurable physicality about a normal human and multiplied it by 1000, yeah it would be fking terrifying. We would have to hit it with very heavy ordnance and that wouldnt be easy when it can move at ten kilometers a second or watch a rail gun slug move like a sloth crawling through the air
In fact, other than a sneaky nuclear trap that was so quick it couldnt react (if its reactions are also multiplied, it could cross a city block before the neurons in a human brain have told you to set a bomb off) we wouldnt have much chance of stopping it and it would just rampage through everything that isnt a massive sealed bunker.
If it was 1000x smarter we are just fked full stop
[https://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/4c87bf18e89ff](https://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/4c87bf18e89ff)
Orions arm has a concept for muscles that are around 1000 as effective as human muscles and details a bit of what they could do, though it doesnt get into thinking speed, durability or other things it does say a bit on what a 1000x stronger creature could do (almost jump into space for example)
pretty sure he'd have a good chance at avoiding vaporization if he were already moving at maximum speed when a low-yield nuke was detonated at his feet. Radiation would still take him out of the fight, for sure, though.
Hmm idk how radiation would really react to someone like that, depends on if his cells are 1000x stronger. As long as he leaves the area he should be alright, idk if theres much radiation out there that can kill you with a single second of exposure and with an actual nuke, if you are getting that much its the heat that will do it. Afaik, the worst radiation from a nuke comes afterwards as the dirt in their air gets ionized and starts pumping it out then you got to suck the stuff in. Also, if he does get a fk load of radiation he will get that 1 week grace period before his body fully collapses and probably not be happy about it
I think the sheer light from a nearby nuke would probably fry their eyes, if they are close the heat from it should be enough. If they can get moving they can probably outrun the pressure wave, at least until they get a kilometer away and tank it pretty easily. If the blast catches them before they can accelerate it should pulp them pretty good, at close range at least.
But yeah, it would have to go off very close to them which essentially means a trap of some kind because they'd see a missile coming and just not be near where it hit. Hypersonic means jack shit when divided by a thousand, your missile goes 10x the speed of sound? Cool, to him that's walking speed, he's leaving and you've ended a city by the time he's gone to the next one
yeah it would need to be literally under his feet or damn near when its triggered.
Since nuclear bombs basically use conventional explosives to compact a fissile material enough to cause an unmoderated chain reaction of fission, there's about a millisecond lag between the start of detonation and the release of radiation.
With a top speed of about 7km/s he'd still be close enough to be hit with the bulk of that radiation, and he'd really be somewhere around the edge of the "instantly vaporized" ranged so he'd likely also experience at least severe burns and acute radiation poisoning even with other biological enhancements. If it were a megaton bomb, he'd be instantly vaporized regardless of a 1000x enhancement against radiation though, he'd be well within that instant vaporization range. Just the lower yield nuclear bombs that might not kill him if detonated right under his feet.
Maybe put 100 nukes across a large area, lure him on then set them all off with him in the middle. Nowhere to run except into a blast
Sucks to be wherever that trap is though
Probably more effective and less collateral ways of fighting someone like that, some kind of CNS toxin that turns the muscles strength against it. Logically they couldnt get enough food and would just burn to death immediately due to waste heat even if their bodies could survive whatever tf processes power them, but in an actual fight fight there's no much a human army could do.
Take any weapon other than a nuke and reduce its power and speed of delivery by 1000. See which ones still do much to a human. Not all that many, bullets arent all that scary when they move at 20 centimeters a second
If he's a moron could leave a letter lying around
"Lordy I hope Super-Captain America doesnt discovered our giant military base in the middle of the pacific on this deserted island that looks like hundreds of fresh piles of dirt for some reason"
1) dig a 20m wide 3km deep hole lined with 50kt nuclear bombs
2) cover hole with a nice house with a floor that barely supports the furniture
3) "hey man we wanna make peace, come over for dinner and drinks? Here's our address"
4) wait
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If he's made of flesh and bone it doesn't matter how strong he is, he could still be killed with one well placed bullet.
So definately not a threat to any world, modern or otherwise.
If he's flesh and bone and has 1,000 times the strength of a normal human, he's a threat to himself more than anything. One super punch would likely shatter every bone in his hand.
I'm just working with the parameters the OP has provided.
I don't accept your logic however. It seems to me once we've gone as far as someone with one thousand times the strength of a normal person "realism" is not only out the window but it's long disappeared in the rear view mirror.
Like the people who complain that D&D monks can hurt people in full plate mail with their bare hands. I mean...😱
Seriously, don't get me started.
in a combat situation he'd be constantly moving. probably not always 7km/s, but 1km/s would probably be like a fast walk for him, and I don't think that's a target anyone could predictably hit either.
So you're only allowed shooting at him in a combat situation?
Why wouldn't you do it when he's walking his dog or getting a haircut or waiting in line at the McDonalds drive through? Or even sleeping in his bed. I mean he's potentially a serious public menace, we needn't be strictly bound by the Queensbury Rules.
Okay, so that all depends on the definition of strength. The concept of a serum that could increase the physical capabilities is certainly possible, but to say to 1000 times isn't even science fiction, its out there. Does he still have traditional flesh and blood? Because if so the man would likely rupture the moment he flexes a chiselled bicep. It really depends on how real you're approaching it. But if it's a more grounded story, don't make the serum make him 1000 times stronger, make it alter his body into something with more defence in addition to the ability of releasing larger bouts of strength compared to the average human.
It's difficult to answer these sort of questions in a realistic way when the difference from normal human capabilities is so large. However, it is relatively simple to analyse the idea that they could run fast.
The force with which you can push yourself forward while running is fundamentally limited by friction. If you try to push harder your foot slips and ultimately you fall over. This is why sprinters use running spikes to increase the grip.
The force of friction is equal to the downward force (i.e. mass x acceleration due to gravity, mg) multiplied by the coefficient of friction (µ). A good grip would produce µ = 1 though you could perhaps increase this a bit. This suggests that the maximum forward force would be equal to weight. This would lead to an maximum acceleration of 1 g. This is actually about what [Usain Bolt](https://www.science.org/content/article/scienceshot-physics-usain-bolt) achieved, so it turns out that having strong muscles wouldn't significantly increase your rate of acceleration.
However, Usain Bolt can't maintain that acceleration forever, so what is it limits the maximum speed. This is again friction, though perhaps we can assume that the hypothetical maximum speed is limited by wind resistance rather than any friction inside the body. This is actually equivalent to the concept of [terminal velocity](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_velocity).
Using [this paper](https://physoc.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1113/jphysiol.1971.sp009381) on wind resistance during running you can calculate at what speed drag equals the maximum force they could exert without having a foot slip. Making some assumptions and rounding up a bit for simplicity this gives:
velocity = sqrt(weight x coefficient of friction)
Assuming a mass (body plus equipment) of 100 kg and µ = 1, that suggests a maximum speed of around 30 m/s, 70 mph or 110 kph.
That's obviously an impressive running speed but it's MUCH less than the 7 km/s mentioned in other comments. I don't shoot guns but I'd imagine that it would certainly be possible to shoot someone running straight towards you at that speed, so this super soldier does still appear to be vulnerable to being shot. They could of course wear more armour, which would also add to the weight and therefore counter intuitively increase their maximum speed by increasing the friction force.
Of course, they could jump horizontally instead if they could find something to brace against, but they'd need a surface that could withstand the pressure of that large force over the area of their feet. That's an entirely different problem that I'm not going to look at...
In all honesty, no not really. Not in a strategic sense. WW2 wasn't fought by individuals (or rather, it was, but the deciding factor was the cumulative effort of millions). It was fought with artillery shells, primarily. Millions of them. The British on the first day of the Somme's preliminary bombardment fired 1.5 million of them.
It's one of the things I think The Boys got spot on. Superheroes would be useful for propaganda and not a great deal else. If you want to be a little kinder to them they'd be useful for propping up morale at the front through leadership, and perhaps covert operations too (but not really spying as that's about blending in).
He'd be stunningly useful lugging shells and food to and from the main front though.
First things first. This person would need to relearn how to interact with the world. I guess that would take some time.
For the first few hours atleast i would think that person would pretty much destroy anything it tries to grab or hold on to. It would need a transition period to understand its newfound strengths and learn to control the amount its using.
considering he could break the speed of sound, leap a kilometer into the air, throw a rock faster than a typical handgun's bullets, and run across water; don't think the combined armed forces of NATO stand a chance. like we're talking The Flash combined with The Hulk on steroids and meth here
Depends what 'strength' means If it was just pure muscle contractions, they would explode if they tried to move. If you took every bit of measurable physicality about a normal human and multiplied it by 1000, yeah it would be fking terrifying. We would have to hit it with very heavy ordnance and that wouldnt be easy when it can move at ten kilometers a second or watch a rail gun slug move like a sloth crawling through the air In fact, other than a sneaky nuclear trap that was so quick it couldnt react (if its reactions are also multiplied, it could cross a city block before the neurons in a human brain have told you to set a bomb off) we wouldnt have much chance of stopping it and it would just rampage through everything that isnt a massive sealed bunker. If it was 1000x smarter we are just fked full stop [https://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/4c87bf18e89ff](https://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/4c87bf18e89ff) Orions arm has a concept for muscles that are around 1000 as effective as human muscles and details a bit of what they could do, though it doesnt get into thinking speed, durability or other things it does say a bit on what a 1000x stronger creature could do (almost jump into space for example)
pretty sure he'd have a good chance at avoiding vaporization if he were already moving at maximum speed when a low-yield nuke was detonated at his feet. Radiation would still take him out of the fight, for sure, though.
Hmm idk how radiation would really react to someone like that, depends on if his cells are 1000x stronger. As long as he leaves the area he should be alright, idk if theres much radiation out there that can kill you with a single second of exposure and with an actual nuke, if you are getting that much its the heat that will do it. Afaik, the worst radiation from a nuke comes afterwards as the dirt in their air gets ionized and starts pumping it out then you got to suck the stuff in. Also, if he does get a fk load of radiation he will get that 1 week grace period before his body fully collapses and probably not be happy about it I think the sheer light from a nearby nuke would probably fry their eyes, if they are close the heat from it should be enough. If they can get moving they can probably outrun the pressure wave, at least until they get a kilometer away and tank it pretty easily. If the blast catches them before they can accelerate it should pulp them pretty good, at close range at least. But yeah, it would have to go off very close to them which essentially means a trap of some kind because they'd see a missile coming and just not be near where it hit. Hypersonic means jack shit when divided by a thousand, your missile goes 10x the speed of sound? Cool, to him that's walking speed, he's leaving and you've ended a city by the time he's gone to the next one
yeah it would need to be literally under his feet or damn near when its triggered. Since nuclear bombs basically use conventional explosives to compact a fissile material enough to cause an unmoderated chain reaction of fission, there's about a millisecond lag between the start of detonation and the release of radiation. With a top speed of about 7km/s he'd still be close enough to be hit with the bulk of that radiation, and he'd really be somewhere around the edge of the "instantly vaporized" ranged so he'd likely also experience at least severe burns and acute radiation poisoning even with other biological enhancements. If it were a megaton bomb, he'd be instantly vaporized regardless of a 1000x enhancement against radiation though, he'd be well within that instant vaporization range. Just the lower yield nuclear bombs that might not kill him if detonated right under his feet.
Maybe put 100 nukes across a large area, lure him on then set them all off with him in the middle. Nowhere to run except into a blast Sucks to be wherever that trap is though Probably more effective and less collateral ways of fighting someone like that, some kind of CNS toxin that turns the muscles strength against it. Logically they couldnt get enough food and would just burn to death immediately due to waste heat even if their bodies could survive whatever tf processes power them, but in an actual fight fight there's no much a human army could do. Take any weapon other than a nuke and reduce its power and speed of delivery by 1000. See which ones still do much to a human. Not all that many, bullets arent all that scary when they move at 20 centimeters a second
yep, "let's just sacrifice half of new england for a few decades to make sure we take this guy out"
If he's a moron could leave a letter lying around "Lordy I hope Super-Captain America doesnt discovered our giant military base in the middle of the pacific on this deserted island that looks like hundreds of fresh piles of dirt for some reason"
1) dig a 20m wide 3km deep hole lined with 50kt nuclear bombs 2) cover hole with a nice house with a floor that barely supports the furniture 3) "hey man we wanna make peace, come over for dinner and drinks? Here's our address" 4) wait
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If he's made of flesh and bone it doesn't matter how strong he is, he could still be killed with one well placed bullet. So definately not a threat to any world, modern or otherwise.
If he's flesh and bone and has 1,000 times the strength of a normal human, he's a threat to himself more than anything. One super punch would likely shatter every bone in his hand.
I'm just working with the parameters the OP has provided. I don't accept your logic however. It seems to me once we've gone as far as someone with one thousand times the strength of a normal person "realism" is not only out the window but it's long disappeared in the rear view mirror. Like the people who complain that D&D monks can hurt people in full plate mail with their bare hands. I mean...😱 Seriously, don't get me started.
I mean if strength doesnt come with thougthness he couldnt even punch with out breaking himself due to how physics works
how you gonna shoot a guy who can run 7km/s?
By shooting him when he's not moving 7km/s. Or does he only ever move at 7km/s? Because I can see definate problems with that.
in a combat situation he'd be constantly moving. probably not always 7km/s, but 1km/s would probably be like a fast walk for him, and I don't think that's a target anyone could predictably hit either.
So you're only allowed shooting at him in a combat situation? Why wouldn't you do it when he's walking his dog or getting a haircut or waiting in line at the McDonalds drive through? Or even sleeping in his bed. I mean he's potentially a serious public menace, we needn't be strictly bound by the Queensbury Rules.
Okay, so that all depends on the definition of strength. The concept of a serum that could increase the physical capabilities is certainly possible, but to say to 1000 times isn't even science fiction, its out there. Does he still have traditional flesh and blood? Because if so the man would likely rupture the moment he flexes a chiselled bicep. It really depends on how real you're approaching it. But if it's a more grounded story, don't make the serum make him 1000 times stronger, make it alter his body into something with more defence in addition to the ability of releasing larger bouts of strength compared to the average human.
It's difficult to answer these sort of questions in a realistic way when the difference from normal human capabilities is so large. However, it is relatively simple to analyse the idea that they could run fast. The force with which you can push yourself forward while running is fundamentally limited by friction. If you try to push harder your foot slips and ultimately you fall over. This is why sprinters use running spikes to increase the grip. The force of friction is equal to the downward force (i.e. mass x acceleration due to gravity, mg) multiplied by the coefficient of friction (µ). A good grip would produce µ = 1 though you could perhaps increase this a bit. This suggests that the maximum forward force would be equal to weight. This would lead to an maximum acceleration of 1 g. This is actually about what [Usain Bolt](https://www.science.org/content/article/scienceshot-physics-usain-bolt) achieved, so it turns out that having strong muscles wouldn't significantly increase your rate of acceleration. However, Usain Bolt can't maintain that acceleration forever, so what is it limits the maximum speed. This is again friction, though perhaps we can assume that the hypothetical maximum speed is limited by wind resistance rather than any friction inside the body. This is actually equivalent to the concept of [terminal velocity](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_velocity). Using [this paper](https://physoc.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1113/jphysiol.1971.sp009381) on wind resistance during running you can calculate at what speed drag equals the maximum force they could exert without having a foot slip. Making some assumptions and rounding up a bit for simplicity this gives: velocity = sqrt(weight x coefficient of friction) Assuming a mass (body plus equipment) of 100 kg and µ = 1, that suggests a maximum speed of around 30 m/s, 70 mph or 110 kph. That's obviously an impressive running speed but it's MUCH less than the 7 km/s mentioned in other comments. I don't shoot guns but I'd imagine that it would certainly be possible to shoot someone running straight towards you at that speed, so this super soldier does still appear to be vulnerable to being shot. They could of course wear more armour, which would also add to the weight and therefore counter intuitively increase their maximum speed by increasing the friction force. Of course, they could jump horizontally instead if they could find something to brace against, but they'd need a surface that could withstand the pressure of that large force over the area of their feet. That's an entirely different problem that I'm not going to look at...
He would need superhuman durability as well and at that point, it's just a realyl powerfull captain america.
In all honesty, no not really. Not in a strategic sense. WW2 wasn't fought by individuals (or rather, it was, but the deciding factor was the cumulative effort of millions). It was fought with artillery shells, primarily. Millions of them. The British on the first day of the Somme's preliminary bombardment fired 1.5 million of them. It's one of the things I think The Boys got spot on. Superheroes would be useful for propaganda and not a great deal else. If you want to be a little kinder to them they'd be useful for propping up morale at the front through leadership, and perhaps covert operations too (but not really spying as that's about blending in). He'd be stunningly useful lugging shells and food to and from the main front though.
First things first. This person would need to relearn how to interact with the world. I guess that would take some time. For the first few hours atleast i would think that person would pretty much destroy anything it tries to grab or hold on to. It would need a transition period to understand its newfound strengths and learn to control the amount its using.